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JarJarDrinks
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 02 2013 22:42 JarJarDrinks wrote: He unvoted So he did, I was going by iGrok's final votecount. Yo hosts, what are you doing about the dude who didn't place a vote? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 02 2013 22:41 Oatsmaster wrote: this is town tell imo. Town dont really care where their votes end up and why not just vote for vayne anyway. Not true of any competent townie I know of. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On July 02 2013 22:48 marvellosity wrote: Not true of any competent townie I know of. so you think gumshoe is competent? And competent scum also dont do shit like that. So yeah.. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
What is wierd though is how he disappeared during the crucial part of the day. Especially considering he used that exact same reasoning to build his case against Stutters and myself. See if I was like him, I'd start throwing out all these theorys that he couldn't refute about how the mass roleclaim idea scared him away and he purposefully stayed away from the thread. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 02 2013 22:53 Oatsmaster wrote: so you think gumshoe is competent? And competent scum also dont do shit like that. So yeah.. Sorry, you're never gonna get it past me that scum care about their votes more than townies. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On July 02 2013 22:53 Oatsmaster wrote: So incompetent scum does? If so, how is it alignment indicative?And competent scum also dont do shit like that. So yeah.. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 02 2013 22:56 JarJarDrinks wrote: Regardless he unvoted so the point is moo. What is wierd though is how he disappeared during the crucial part of the day. Especially considering he used that exact same reasoning to build his case against Stutters and myself. See if I was like him, I'd start throwing out all these theorys that he couldn't refute about how the mass roleclaim idea scared him away and he purposefully stayed away from the thread. In fairness he did say his activity would be spotty on Day 1, Canada day and what have you. I agree with you that it's at best extremely hypocritical with the Stutters thing. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On July 02 2013 22:59 marvellosity wrote: ..and me too. And yeah, that's all I was implying. He searching for anything that he can call scummy about me. In fairness he did say his activity would be spotty on Day 1, Canada day and what have you. I agree with you that it's at best extremely hypocritical with the Stutters thing. ie: - my post about voting to save myself - "flipflopping" when I changed my opinion on rayn - The aforemention inactivity of myself and stutters - me "piggybacking" oats opinion on marv Is any of this stuff really scummy? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
On July 02 2013 21:11 marvellosity wrote: Hi fuba. I want you to talk to me about your scumreads. Firstly rayn. Am I to understand that the basis for your scumread on rayn is the idea that not posting my role PM makes my roleclaim more unreliable? I'm not entirely sure I understand this, given two millers in a game this size seems quite unlikely to start with. Do you think a mafia-marv in this scenario takes the risk of claiming miller straight off the bat, crossing my fingers as to regards role names, or am I hoping for a 1-for-1? Am I hoping to argue there are two millers? I'm asking all this because it seems like it's basically the only basis for your scumread on rayn. Is there anything else I'm missing? I'm not really sure what your scumread on Stutters consists of; you twice mention he's playing like some townie from another game (Vayne in roulette...). It seems you think your case rests on your disagreements with the points he's made, but I'm not finding any significant narrative within those posts as to why he's actually mafia. Can you explain the contradictions + differences and why they make Stutters mafia? My point was that it's ridiculous at that point to have such a sure townread on you. You've made two posts, saying you're miller and that you've previously fakeclaimed as miller, and that's it. I can't tell you why you would fakeclaim so early, as I don't have access to all of the information that scum marv would have had at that time. There are multiple possible factors, which could or could not play a role in such a decision. But the fact is, I don't see a fakeclaim as all that dangerous a step if you've realized that a name claim would likely favor you since you've already said you'd be missing (other guy will possibly claim his name before you, if he even exists). Then there's the fact that as town I don't think most people would expect you to live passed N1-2, which is about how long you could probably muddle the thread for even if town decided it was between you and a counterclaimer (I originally found this situation to have roughly equal payoff to just playing the game out normally, but it's occurred to me that if we have a vigi we could have possibly just shot you N1 if we ended up lynching the counterclaimer). Best case scenario, you're the only one to claim miller, and you're "confirmed" for a while despite your absence from the thread for some portion of D1. These are possibilities that pop into my head, and without you actually posting, I ultimately didn't see how someone could take the claim as such a sure thing without actually knowing that you're town already. As for stutters, I'm getting really fucking irritated having to repeat myself about the vayne thing. I know for a fact I've explained it at least twice already. I AM NOT COMPARING HIM TO VAYNE. I AM COMPARING MY EARLY READ ON HIM TO MY EARLY VAYNE READ IN ROULETTE. I thought it would be a simple comparison for people who were actually in the game/read the game, but apparently it's just really fucking confusing to people. So that read was basically this: He did things that were potentially scummy, but not damning in themselves. It was the amount of instances that I found most suspicious. The fact that he then responded to my later post, saying it's "pretty fucking scummy" with only the portion about him and ignoring everything else, tipped the scale. He later makes a case involving the entire post, but only after I point out how the only thing he found suspicious was stuff that he either misinterpreted or misconstrued as me both calling him scum and comparing him to a townie from a completely unrelated game (an explanation that he apparently just completely ignores). He suddenly finds more about the post scummy after I point out how all the scumminess in the "pretty fucking scummy" post was stuff I wrote about him. His original post was incredibly defensive, and he then wrote a bad case in an attempt to invalidate what I said about his earlier one. He also says he'll respond to me/wait for me to respond/etc but I've had absolutely no reaction from him about my responses. Oh, and the differences/contradictions I mentioned were that he apparently accepted my read on vayne in Roulette (where he was town) but suddenly it's scummy to have such a read when it's directed at him. | ||
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Stutters695
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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marvellosity
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On July 02 2013 23:08 JarJarDrinks wrote: ..and me too. And yeah, that's all I was implying. He searching for anything that he can call scummy about me. ie: - my post about voting to save myself - "flipflopping" when I changed my opinion on rayn - The aforemention inactivity of myself and stutters - me "piggybacking" oats opinion on marv Is any of this stuff really scummy? In fact, I relooked @ the piggyback accusation and check this out: On July 01 2013 04:34 gumshoe wrote: Jar Jar Drinks's first post is essentially just him piggy backing off Oat's accusation of Rayne (who in turn was just recycling my initial analysis and presenting it as his own but with gusto) while simultaneously attacking Lazer without providing any reason why (he also associates them here as if they are in league, when in reality they're is no real proof connecting the two other than Wifom) he backs mine and Oat's assesment of Stutters maybe just being silly town, but doesn't comment on his long absence. Here's my first post that he's referring to: On June 30 2013 13:00 JarJarDrinks wrote: Agree. I also think it's wierd that he's already twice called Lazer a townread. I'm not seeing why he'd think that based on what lazer's posted so far. I also don't see what's scummy about stutters. Here's his vote for him:And here's the post in question:I don't quite get what he's saying here. Why doesn't that post make sense for town? Am I really piggybacking? I acknowledge oats case barely and then give 3 of my own reasons for thinking rayne was scummy. And also I wasn't attacking lazer and I certainly wasn't associating them as if they were in league. And then again he mentions actvity by saying that I didn't comment on stutters long absence. Like, I commented on stutters actual posts. What could he possibly expect me to say about the fact that he wasn't posting? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On July 02 2013 23:30 JarJarDrinks wrote: In fact, I relooked @ the piggyback accusation and check this out: Here's my first post that he's referring to: Am I really piggybacking? I acknowledge oats case barely and then give 3 of my own reasons for thinking rayne was scummy. And also I wasn't attacking lazer and I certainly wasn't associating them as if they were in league. And then again he mentions actvity by saying that I didn't comment on stutters long absence. Like, I commented on stutters actual posts. What could he possibly expect me to say about the fact that he wasn't posting? 1:This is effectively you saying you have found Razors null/posting scummy, but doing it an uber passive way. I find this scummy/shiit flinging without the effort. Sue me of you dont. 2:Regarding the timing of my absence, at the time of my leaving you asked me @gumshoe - opinion on mass role claiming? On July 02 2013 00:46 gumshoe wrote: Jar Jar did you get any flavour text at least XD might help me swallow this. We're not supposed to I thought but yes I got flavor. Didn't you? I'm actually worried that I wasn't even supposed to post what I did. On July 01 2013 09:35 iGrok wrote: Game continues. Deadline will not be pushed back, as only ~ 2 hours we missed. To reiterate, the game is now unpaused, please continue. Thanks for working with me to sort this out. I do need everyone else to go ahead and send in their role PMs, and I have changed one rule in the OP: It is no longer allowed to post your role pm. You may only post your role name. I'm thinking that the whole role name means I was only supposed to say "vanilla". Because I feel like the whole mass claim is kinda broken in this setup. Does this sound accusatory? At my time of leaving I assumed we were on fine terms, this means that my absence is nothing like stutters because I left when there was no heat on me. It's also not like yours because I did not pop up as a case formed on me, which means I was not actively not contributing. Also I told everyone I was leaving for the day, and you took the opportunity to pounce. You've started a case because I announced I was leaving and then called me a hypocrite because you started a case and I was gone... Also sorry about the vote, Canada day eh / : my absence is nothing like yours or Stutters just like Marv's is not like yours or stutters. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On July 02 2013 22:39 marvellosity wrote: I'm not entirely sure about gumshoe. Quite a bit of his posting seems to show a willingness to think about the game in depth. Dunno how much I agree with Jarjar's point on the voting-to-save-self stuff. Outside of the last hour of the day, it's not a particularly productive thing to say that you'll vote for anyone that's not yourself. The roleclaim stuff is a bit more interesting though. Didn't think so much of it just reading through his filter but JarJar makes a valid point there; it is weird to give reasons against it but then say he'd go for it. Further I don't like how his vote was parked uselessly on JarJar at the end of the day (despite saying he was going to remove it as well). They're is another role that would show hesitance about revealing just like scum would. That post was a wink wink nudge nudge to Jar Jar, but seeing as hes thick as a castle wall I'll say this much. Doesn't matter seeing as were revealing, but I wont say which role specifically till after or just before tonight. I'm not mad at Jar Jar for not seeing the post that way, just... disappointed. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Oats why do you think marv is scum? I also disagree with this. On July 02 2013 23:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Im saying that him not caring about his vote is townie. But since he unvoted, i guess he couldnt be there for the lynch | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:08 gumshoe wrote: They're is another role that would show hesitance about revealing just like scum would. That post was a wink wink nudge nudge to Jar Jar, but seeing as hes thick as a castle wall I'll say this much. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4QGPWLY-EM Doesn't matter seeing as were revealing, but I wont say which role specifically till after or just before tonight. I'm not mad at Jar Jar for not seeing the post that way, just... disappointed. Why would you do this now when discussion leaned towards revealing at the start of D2? Do you think you're a target tonight? | ||
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