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On July 03 2013 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote:You know marv, for someone who claimed miller so early with no name you certainly do resist this a whole lot. Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 18:29 marvellosity wrote:
Hi guys. How much do you think random townie name claims are worth? Was running through my head around a bit last night, and I'm basically kinda assuming scum got at least some fakeclaims. Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 19:40 marvellosity wrote:On July 02 2013 19:34 Vivax wrote:On July 02 2013 19:21 marvellosity wrote:
It's not 100% clear from the OP that *only* the names listed are in the game maybe? I assume you guys have names from the OP? I'm 99 % sure only the names listed are in the game. It says "these roles will be in the game". Why would the host give someone a name other than ones listed there? Actually it says "The following characters may be in the game" which is not quite the same thing. The reason would be to prevent massclaiming potentially breaking the game 
Claiming miller is starkly different from claiming civi. The presence of a miller affects the whole game, especially with a parity cop in play. His reveal affects town directly rather than just affecting his statues. I dont think it's fair to compare the the two reveals honestly / :
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marv, do you believe Lazer's claim is legit?
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On July 03 2013 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote:You know marv, for someone who claimed miller so early with no name you certainly do resist this a whole lot. Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 18:29 marvellosity wrote:
Hi guys. How much do you think random townie name claims are worth? Was running through my head around a bit last night, and I'm basically kinda assuming scum got at least some fakeclaims. Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 19:40 marvellosity wrote:On July 02 2013 19:34 Vivax wrote:On July 02 2013 19:21 marvellosity wrote:
It's not 100% clear from the OP that *only* the names listed are in the game maybe? I assume you guys have names from the OP? I'm 99 % sure only the names listed are in the game. It says "these roles will be in the game". Why would the host give someone a name other than ones listed there? Actually it says "The following characters may be in the game" which is not quite the same thing. The reason would be to prevent massclaiming potentially breaking the game
Also WOS can you be clear, what are you trying to say here?
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I'm trying to say that unless scum were given fakeclaims (he 'assumes' as such, though probably a fair assumption since otherwse iGrok would basically be allowing his game to be broken) he could be resisting this for the obvious reason that when he claimed he didn't realize we would be allowed to do this, and now is worried about being caught as scum.
I consider all possibilities and yes it's possible he's miller and he just happened not to bother claiming the name at that point (or at any point after that) but then again, why the weak resisting?
Either way D2 is going to be very interesting. I won't be around from a little before deadline to a few hours after at which point I'll be pretty active (assuming da guy goes to sleep) so if you guys want to wait and claim then, great. Otherwise you're going to have to wait for mine.
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On July 03 2013 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv, do you believe Lazer's claim is legit?
On July 03 2013 01:17 marvellosity wrote:
I'm currently thinking that I hope the Lazer situation resolves itself overnight.
This was the answer I got from him when i asked basically the same thing.
Rayn do you still think marv is town?
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On July 03 2013 02:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm trying to say that unless scum were given fakeclaims (he 'assumes' as such, though probably a fair assumption since otherwse iGrok would basically be allowing his game to be broken) he could be resisting this for the obvious reason that when he claimed he didn't realize we would be allowed to do this, and now is worried about being caught as scum.
I consider all possibilities and yes it's possible he's miller and he just happened not to bother claiming the name at that point (or at any point after that) but then again, why the weak resisting?
Either way D2 is going to be very interesting. I won't be around from a little before deadline to a few hours after at which point I'll be pretty active (assuming da guy goes to sleep) so if you guys want to wait and claim then, great. Otherwise you're going to have to wait for mine.
Dont you think that if someone was actually miller they would have claimed by now?
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On July 03 2013 02:18 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 02:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm trying to say that unless scum were given fakeclaims (he 'assumes' as such, though probably a fair assumption since otherwse iGrok would basically be allowing his game to be broken) he could be resisting this for the obvious reason that when he claimed he didn't realize we would be allowed to do this, and now is worried about being caught as scum.
I consider all possibilities and yes it's possible he's miller and he just happened not to bother claiming the name at that point (or at any point after that) but then again, why the weak resisting?
Either way D2 is going to be very interesting. I won't be around from a little before deadline to a few hours after at which point I'll be pretty active (assuming da guy goes to sleep) so if you guys want to wait and claim then, great. Otherwise you're going to have to wait for mine. Dont you think that if someone was actually miller they would have claimed by now?
So you think marv is lying then.
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On July 03 2013 01:23 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 01:17 marvellosity wrote:
I'm currently thinking that I hope the Lazer situation resolves itself overnight. I'm not sure how you think this would happen. Stutters have you really never been mislynched? I'm trying to think of games we've been in together and I know you're under the gun pretty often for your activity and such. I'm willing to accept your explanation regarding Vivax as it does seem to fit but as I said earlier I'd like to see something new from you that doesn't seem to echo his sentiments, and since he's not here apparently, this would be the perfect time. What are your thoughts regarding Lazer or gumshoe currently? Do you still feel the same way about Fuba?
Outside of WLIIA, and that was clearly the best option in that game. Marv can explain better prob, I think it was his idea.
Fuba is still #1 scum to me. He's dodging questions and his responses have been non-specific summaries where he just calls people scum instead of showing why they are through analysis.
Gumshoe I need to dive similarly to how I did you. That's coming up next.
With the mass claim Lazer is a non factor. I'm assuming he isn't going to be counterclaimed and that means he must be dead in 2 nights or he'll start confirming people left and right and scum is fucked if they can even survive a mass claim. If he's still alive we re-evaluate then, until then we don't lynch him.
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On July 03 2013 02:16 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv, do you believe Lazer's claim is legit? Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 01:17 marvellosity wrote:
I'm currently thinking that I hope the Lazer situation resolves itself overnight. This was the answer I got from him when i asked basically the same thing. Rayn do you still think marv is town?
Basically, marv has zero reasons to not trust the un-cc'd cop claim.
No i do not.
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On July 03 2013 02:19 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 01:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 03 2013 01:17 marvellosity wrote:
I'm currently thinking that I hope the Lazer situation resolves itself overnight. I'm not sure how you think this would happen. Stutters have you really never been mislynched? I'm trying to think of games we've been in together and I know you're under the gun pretty often for your activity and such. I'm willing to accept your explanation regarding Vivax as it does seem to fit but as I said earlier I'd like to see something new from you that doesn't seem to echo his sentiments, and since he's not here apparently, this would be the perfect time. What are your thoughts regarding Lazer or gumshoe currently? Do you still feel the same way about Fuba? Outside of WLIIA, and that was clearly the best option in that game. Marv can explain better prob, I think it was his idea. Fuba is still #1 scum to me. He's dodging questions and his responses have been non-specific summaries where he just calls people scum instead of showing why they are through analysis. Gumshoe I need to dive similarly to how I did you. That's coming up next. With the mass claim Lazer is a non factor. I'm assuming he isn't going to be counterclaimed and that means he must be dead in 2 nights or he'll start confirming people left and right and scum is fucked if they can even survive a mass claim. If he's still alive we re-evaluate then, until then we don't lynch him.
That's bad. It's gonna be LYLO D3 assuming worst case scenario and there are always people who are hesitant to lynch claimed blues.
Also the fact that if he checks whoever N1 and claims roleblocked N2 he can't have any info on D3 and that's not even alignment indicative.
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No fuck, in worst case scenario it's MYLO D2.
marv & Lazer scum.
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On July 03 2013 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 02:19 Stutters695 wrote:On July 03 2013 01:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 03 2013 01:17 marvellosity wrote:
I'm currently thinking that I hope the Lazer situation resolves itself overnight. I'm not sure how you think this would happen. Stutters have you really never been mislynched? I'm trying to think of games we've been in together and I know you're under the gun pretty often for your activity and such. I'm willing to accept your explanation regarding Vivax as it does seem to fit but as I said earlier I'd like to see something new from you that doesn't seem to echo his sentiments, and since he's not here apparently, this would be the perfect time. What are your thoughts regarding Lazer or gumshoe currently? Do you still feel the same way about Fuba? Outside of WLIIA, and that was clearly the best option in that game. Marv can explain better prob, I think it was his idea. Fuba is still #1 scum to me. He's dodging questions and his responses have been non-specific summaries where he just calls people scum instead of showing why they are through analysis. Gumshoe I need to dive similarly to how I did you. That's coming up next. With the mass claim Lazer is a non factor. I'm assuming he isn't going to be counterclaimed and that means he must be dead in 2 nights or he'll start confirming people left and right and scum is fucked if they can even survive a mass claim. If he's still alive we re-evaluate then, until then we don't lynch him. That's bad. It's gonna be LYLO D3 assuming worst case scenario and there are always people who are hesitant to lynch claimed blues. Also the fact that if he checks whoever N1 and claims roleblocked N2 he can't have any info on D3 and that's not even alignment indicative.
Personally I'm inclined to believe the claim because scum are likely to treat a claimed cop exactly as you just mentioned (having undergone the same treatment in The Game - and then scum tried to get me lynched anyway because they hid their RB D1 and RBed me eery subsequent day after that and said I was lying).
It kind of sucks though because if not for that claim I'd be all over lynching Lazer due to his gameplay.
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Wait Rayn am I missing something?
You call Rayn scum for not trusting the cop claim but then you call Lazer scum?
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if marv is miller he has zero reason to not believe un-cc'd cop claim. therefore marv is fakeclaiming, there is no millers, there is no cop, and Lazer got an easy fakeclaim aswell. They only have to survive to N2 to win with 2KP, unless third scum is lynched.
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On July 03 2013 02:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 02:18 gumshoe wrote:On July 03 2013 02:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm trying to say that unless scum were given fakeclaims (he 'assumes' as such, though probably a fair assumption since otherwse iGrok would basically be allowing his game to be broken) he could be resisting this for the obvious reason that when he claimed he didn't realize we would be allowed to do this, and now is worried about being caught as scum.
I consider all possibilities and yes it's possible he's miller and he just happened not to bother claiming the name at that point (or at any point after that) but then again, why the weak resisting?
Either way D2 is going to be very interesting. I won't be around from a little before deadline to a few hours after at which point I'll be pretty active (assuming da guy goes to sleep) so if you guys want to wait and claim then, great. Otherwise you're going to have to wait for mine. Dont you think that if someone was actually miller they would have claimed by now? So you think marv is lying then.
Sorry I was writing from your perspective. You believe Marv is scum, do you think they're is no miller then? Or that the miller is waiting for something? If either of these are what your saying you've pretty much brought us back to the start but in a very roundabout way.
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If you are not gumshoe and you are a vigilante, shoot lazer/marv.
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as i do not think there are 3 blues, and gumshoe can't know if there is another one.
Lazer could be town due to his claim but that does not change the fact that marv should not doubt his claim.
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Good catch Rayn, really not used to 2kp in minis, this is brutal.
Gonna look over both of them then hang on.
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I said at the start of the game I would not have claimed miller just because someone asked me to. There could very well still be a miller. It is also possible that marv really IS miller but I don't believe that to be as likely as him being scum based on the way he has acted since returning.
I reacted the same way when DP claimed it in CC and was grilled for it, but I believed his claim because of how he acted regarding it. Marv has not acted in this same way and been as absolutely transparent about his claim as he could have been (which imo should be expected if you claim miller and expect not to be lynched). It seems to me that marv expects to skate by on his claim because he's marv, and he's been successful so far.
We'll definitely see what D2 brings regarding all of this though.
By the way Rayn according to your above explanation why can't either of their claims be real? Especially Lazer's imo?
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