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Hurndall3
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MSmith1
59 Posts
Why don't you explain why you voted for TheDavison? Please point out something specific. I'm not a mind reader and I don't anything in his first two posts that is evidence of him being scum. | ||
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SMcCoy
228 Posts
On May 30 2013 06:40 Hurndall3 wrote: smccvoy you exhibited wishy washiness. that means not having a strong opinion and giving reasons why someone could be town as well as scum. it is commonly seen as a scum trait. that is why we were suspicious of you. : Wishywashyness is one of these fancy words like OMGUS, or WIFOM to quickly put something into a box with your negative opinion printed on. It's a way of quickly dismissing a whole post as rubbish cause a little part of it fits a little scheme, or is in answer to someone who attacked you previously. If you think my post was wishywashy, then you are free to try and speak against my arguments for finding Eccleston's former actions scummy and dismiss them as such. As I pointed out in my case, I explained my thoughts about Ecclestone in my first post, the only thing you can accuse me of is not giving him a definite scum- or townread right there, and if you think that is scummy, then try to argue why. Then, I need to know why you post this as an answer to my case against DrT. Only one part of my case is built around him falsely claiming I said nothing in my post, and you putting the whole situation away as him attacking wishywashyness but not doing anything else could be considered nitpicky. If you are willing to be a defense for DrT, then it's your time to bring your counter-arguments to my points. | ||
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Hurndall3
237 Posts
@ms1 how Thedavidson jumped on me looked scummy. Obviously you try hards were yapping it up about nothing then he comes in with this case on the current "low hanging fruit" as his FIRST post. The case he made on me is newb like, but more importantly it is easy for scum to make. so it looked inauthentic. | ||
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Baker1986
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MSmith1
59 Posts
My other top suspicion is Eccleston. As I already said, he seemed unnecessarily hostile towards me at the start of the game. Most people are in a joyous mood after reading a town role PM so that leads me to think he is not town. I also dislike how he refused to give any opinion of my alignment. Like, it shouldn't be too hard to read 5 posts of another player and at least hazard a guess at their alignment, but he avoided the issue. Combined with the fact that I had just called him scum, it seems like he was just afraid of me and trying to avoid me. They're about equally suspicious in my eyes and I see no reason to derail the current wagon, so ##Vote: DrTennant | ||
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Hurndall3
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DrTennant
31 Posts
For what its worth yes i do actually think town are more likely to thrown town reads out there. Scum are more worried about keeping a "story" straight so they are more reluctant to give out reads then be called out later if they flip flop. Mafia have an information advantage and usually are reluctant to give it out. You seem to think that your post communicated a lot more than it did. I took as wishy washy and filler post and that is scummy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ That said i dont really mind the spotlight i i thrive in it. And most importantly it helps to make reads. With a ton of people not posting i think there is a definite possibility of 1 or even 2 scum being completely inactive. Of the "active" posters the ones that concern me the most are eccleston and baker. Eccelston despite being active early seems to have just decided to fuck off while i been in the spotlight despite his hig activity early. He hasn't given an opinion on anything that has happened despite showing he was active early on. Baker it appears from my perspective has just decided to sheep who i think is the towniest guy in mccoy and who might have the largest thread control. Baker never gave reasoning he just called mccoy smart and it looks like he is just trying to latch on to an early wagon. | ||
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Baker1986
217 Posts
On May 30 2013 10:08 DrTennant wrote: Baker it appears from my perspective has just decided to sheep who i think is the towniest guy in mccoy and who might have the largest thread control. Baker never gave reasoning he just called mccoy smart and it looks like he is just trying to latch on to an early wagon. McCoy only has thread control because we allow him to have it. If I didn't think he was doing a good job I wouldn't let him lead. A very important part of mafia is not to figure out who is scum, but to figure out who is town. I agree with Mccoy's suspicions of you, and I specifically explained in detail here why I disagreed with you: On May 29 2013 22:46 Baker1986 wrote: The only thing I find interesting about McCoy is that he didn't feel the need to comment on anything else. I'm not saying that McCoy is town, but this post doesn't make him scum. Not having a firm opinion on players 1 page into the game is probably to be expected, so I'm not sure what you have a problem with here? He raises a point about Eccleston that's inconclusive but still worth reading. I agree with McCoy that Eccleston's approach leaves much to be desired, and he seems to be looking to pick a fight. Eccleston is not in the business of handing out information of his thought processes. This doesn't make Eccleston scum, but it certainly feels like a valid point to bring up for discussion. Please share more of your thoughts. Your latest post just makes you look even worse. Anyone who is reading the thread with any kind of attention should be able to tell I'm pretty towny, probably second to only McCoy. I don't think you're paying attention, I think your suspicion of me is based on nothing. There is nothing wrong with sheeping in mafia, and you're trying to make it out to be scummy. In fact, if you're not stupid, you should realize that my behavior could both be explained by town-baker and scum-baker. It's not strange for a town-baker to agree with someone I consider town, so why do you only look at one option? Are you lazy? bad? scum? | ||
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Baker1986
217 Posts
On May 30 2013 09:03 MSmith1 wrote: I agree with the entirety of smcc's anaysis and I think DrT could very well be scum. I actually can't find anything to add to the case; smcc covered everything in DrT's filter that I find troubling. My other top suspicion is Eccleston. As I already said, he seemed unnecessarily hostile towards me at the start of the game. Most people are in a joyous mood after reading a town role PM so that leads me to think he is not town. I also dislike how he refused to give any opinion of my alignment. Like, it shouldn't be too hard to read 5 posts of another player and at least hazard a guess at their alignment, but he avoided the issue. Combined with the fact that I had just called him scum, it seems like he was just afraid of me and trying to avoid me. They're about equally suspicious in my eyes and I see no reason to derail the current wagon, so ##Vote: DrTennant I agree, on the Eccleston read. Those two people are at the top of my list too, and I'm almost at the point I think both might be scum. | ||
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Baker1986
217 Posts
On May 30 2013 10:08 DrTennant wrote: Baker it appears from my perspective has just decided to sheep who i think is the towniest guy in mccoy and who might have the largest thread control. Baker never gave reasoning he just called mccoy smart and it looks like he is just trying to latch on to an early wagon. Actually I want to take this one step further. Explain in detail why this is the only viable conclusion you can reach from my posting up until the point you throw the suspicion on me. Explain the following. 1) Why does scum-baker sheep McCoy but town-baker doesn't. 2) Why does scum-baker call McCoy smart but town-baker doesn't. 3) Why would scum-baker join a wagon but town baker wouldn't. Assuming your "read" isn't utter bullshit, you must have valid explanations to these questions, or you wouldn't have come to the conclusion my behavior was scummy. | ||
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A McGann
81 Posts
While I wait for that: On May 30 2013 03:11 TheDavison wrote: I'd like to bring attention to H3's posting, in reading and rereading the thread I found him less than useless. He has a fair number of posts and has been involved in discussion without adding anything to said discussion. He blatantly sheeped an early case without adding anything to it and unvoted as soon as the casee responded. Since that moment he has been complaining about the difficulty of reading an all smurf game, which is the reason I've read the thread more than once, and hasn't added anything to the progression of day one discussion. For now I find H3 the scummiest player in the thread and shall, therefore, vote for him. I ask each of you to either vote with me and tell me why yo agree with me or, if you are not voting with me, tell me why you disagree. Vote:Hurndall Your 'case' on Hurndall is quite underwhelming and I want you to explain to me how he is the scummiest person in the thread. Why is Hurdnall unvoting McCoy in the face of what he considers a 'strong response' a scum tell? You also add that he has complained about the difficulty of reading an all-smurf game, then share this sentiment. How is this relevant to your case on him if it applies to yourself also? | ||
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PTroughton2
82 Posts
In this pursuit, I have little information to go on. It is early in the day, and we have just been alerted to their presence. We know they habit the bodies of our comrades, and attempt to mimic our actions to the best of their abilities. Therein are the clues! Humans have innate tells when attempting to be deceptive, surely these human-inhabiting aliens must have them too, no? Perhaps, in inhabiting and attempting to mimic humans, they have inherited these tells as well. I have had extensive training in this field, and based upon my expert analysis, I have concluded that Hurndall3 is almost certainly not human. Not only is he someone who lurks in the dark corners of this town, but when he does interact with us, he is almost always brief and blunt, as if to shorten his exposure to the rest of us in fear that he will give away his true identity. What true human would be so reclusive towards us? I am sure he is alien. He lurks because he is communicating with his alien cohorts in private. We must hunt and kill this impostor, and we will be one step closer to eliminating these extraterrestrial scum. In due time, his "buddies" will show themselves. They may even attempt to kill me before I can find them all. But we must not let them strike us down. We must fight for our lives here, lest humanity lose its foothold on Kalypso. And if we fail here, who knows what plans these beings have. We cannot allow them to come to fruition. Brothers, sisters, stand beside me as I lead us in the eradication of the scum! We must band together now, and make our stand! | ||
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PTroughton2
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DrTennant
31 Posts
On May 30 2013 10:30 Baker1986 wrote: Actually I want to take this one step further. Explain in detail why this is the only viable conclusion you can reach from my posting up until the point you throw the suspicion on me. Explain the following. 1) Why does scum-baker sheep McCoy but town-baker doesn't. 2) Why does scum-baker call McCoy smart but town-baker doesn't. 3) Why would scum-baker join a wagon but town baker wouldn't. Assuming your "read" isn't utter bullshit, you must have valid explanations to these questions, or you wouldn't have come to the conclusion my behavior was scummy. wat i dont know what baker does maybe baker can enlighten us. all i see from you is just calling the person who i think must be town and sheeping his incorrect case. That is what i see and that is scummy because it seems like your just jumping on me with no reasoning to get a mis lynch. | ||
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A McGann
81 Posts
You said you found Bakers behaviour scummy. You need to explain why the actions you painted him as 'concerning' for are more likely to be scum motivated. If you can think of legitimate reasons why a townie would act in this manner, then your case has no merit. | ||
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DrTennant
31 Posts
On May 30 2013 11:41 A McGann wrote: That really doesn't answer the question, DrTennant. You said you found Bakers behaviour scummy. You need to explain why the actions you painted him as 'concerning' for are more likely to be scum motivated. If you can think of legitimate reasons why a townie would act in this manner, then your case has no merit. because it looks like to me hes just hoping on without reasoning. like he had very little interaction with me a big case comes and he just hops on. scum have a hard time explaining their actions so it seems like a good ploy to just sheep a townie with a wrong case hop on the wagon and probably just call me bad after i flip. | ||
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DrTennant
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MSmith1
59 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [PT2] + On May 30 2013 10:57 PTroughton2 wrote: The day is young, and I must defend my town. It is said that there are alien intruders among us, and it is my duty to hunt them down and eliminate them. Without my assistance, this town of mine will fall into shambles, devastated by the cunning of these alien beings and reduced to a point where we succumb to them. I must not let this happen. I must not let my brothers and sisters become pawns of these grotesqueries. I must win. In this pursuit, I have little information to go on. It is early in the day, and we have just been alerted to their presence. We know they habit the bodies of our comrades, and attempt to mimic our actions to the best of their abilities. Therein are the clues! Humans have innate tells when attempting to be deceptive, surely these human-inhabiting aliens must have them too, no? Perhaps, in inhabiting and attempting to mimic humans, they have inherited these tells as well. I have had extensive training in this field, and based upon my expert analysis, I have concluded that Hurndall3 is almost certainly not human. Not only is he someone who lurks in the dark corners of this town, but when he does interact with us, he is almost always brief and blunt, as if to shorten his exposure to the rest of us in fear that he will give away his true identity. What true human would be so reclusive towards us? I am sure he is alien. He lurks because he is communicating with his alien cohorts in private. We must hunt and kill this impostor, and we will be one step closer to eliminating these extraterrestrial scum. In due time, his "buddies" will show themselves. They may even attempt to kill me before I can find them all. But we must not let them strike us down. We must fight for our lives here, lest humanity lose its foothold on Kalypso. And if we fail here, who knows what plans these beings have. We cannot allow them to come to fruition. Brothers, sisters, stand beside me as I lead us in the eradication of the scum! We must band together now, and make our stand! Please partake in some discussion with the rest of the thread. There's a wagon on DrT with a handful of supporters. Care to give an opinion? On the subject of DrT, I don't like his response to the smcc case. + Show Spoiler [DrT] + On May 30 2013 10:08 DrTennant wrote: Smocoy i don't really care that you think im scum the only part that concerns me is the last part of your post where you say that your unlikely to change. Now i think with your effort and you confidence that your most likely to be town. Misguided town but town nonetheless. And that all the information that i care about from your case. Now it seems like you have gone into tunnel mode with that last part of your post and i think thats insanely stupid one because im not scum and two a ton of people haven't posted. For what its worth yes i do actually think town are more likely to thrown town reads out there. Scum are more worried about keeping a "story" straight so they are more reluctant to give out reads then be called out later if they flip flop. Mafia have an information advantage and usually are reluctant to give it out. You seem to think that your post communicated a lot more than it did. I took as wishy washy and filler post and that is scummy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ That said i dont really mind the spotlight i i thrive in it. And most importantly it helps to make reads. With a ton of people not posting i think there is a definite possibility of 1 or even 2 scum being completely inactive. Of the "active" posters the ones that concern me the most are eccleston and baker. Eccelston despite being active early seems to have just decided to fuck off while i been in the spotlight despite his hig activity early. He hasn't given an opinion on anything that has happened despite showing he was active early on. Baker it appears from my perspective has just decided to sheep who i think is the towniest guy in mccoy and who might have the largest thread control. Baker never gave reasoning he just called mccoy smart and it looks like he is just trying to latch on to an early wagon. 1) I'm not sure I buy this whole "I thrive in the spotlight" attitude. smcc wrote a case and generated some votes. DrT's reaction seems to be "Excellent. I make better reads in the spotlight. And the most important thing to take away from this case is that smcc is town". He's trying to act as though he doesn't mind having three votes on him which I don't think is a genuine response. Seriously, what kind of townie doesn't mind being called scum? 2) I was also intrigued by the fact that DrT twice brought up the fact that a handful of people haven't posted, and he suggested that there could be one or two mafia in that group. The only motivation for this is to shift the spotlight off of himself and try to get it on the lurkers, which I think is scummy. 3) Speaking of easy targets, I think his criticisms of Eccleston and Baker are very 'easy' criticisms to make, but don't show very insightful analysis. So I'm feeling increasingly confident about my scumread on DrT. Is anyone around to discuss before I go to bed? Even just an agree/disagree for each of my three points would be appreciated. | ||
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Hurndall3
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