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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On April 25 2013 14:57 Ace wrote: interesting because you voted for the guy honestly i figured you wrote a guide so you must know wtf you are talking about. you said the case was good so i was like hmm maybe it is good | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
Where the fuck do you get "low activity" from? Lol. | ||
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getmoript
1016 Posts
On April 25 2013 14:16 Ace wrote: Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi What you did there.... I see it  I keed I keed. I'm going to remove Palmar and Kush as I doubt they're scum at this point. From filtering: VE: Scum but the mostly likely red guy to be town. He's lacking towny bite. Shiao: Scum Nothing other than Vivax case really needs to be mentioned here Sylencia: Scum I've already posted a case which he tried to sidestep, inactive, the passive inexplicable townread Giygas: NULLTown read x2, Prefers Oats but votes Yamato???, uses an odd heuristic, inactive Hopeless: NULL focuses on tickytack stuff, strange flip in view on rayn, inactive, I haven't WoS: NULL I really want to call him scum so badly especially when he says he has to go back t check on his view on kush. He doesn't have the balls he generally has. My problem is I always think he's scum. Yamato: NULL He's the hardest. He's all over the place. He's not obvtown like I've seen from him from PYP and hydraing, but I'm not seeing scummy intention. The oddest thing about him this game is that he keeps on wanting to lynch people that share his scum reads (Oats/CC). CC: Town weird pro/anti-town meta focus, his reads align with the rayn list pretty well, the scummiest thing about him is that he's not actively pushing an agenda. If rayn's list is solid, then CC isn't actively or passively bussing just less active town which is my impression of him from hydra. Shiao is 'safest' lynch. Dropping the hammer at an odd time with no reason, being inactive, not following up, etcetcetc. VE is the lynch that we need to be on right now; I don't think we'll get a good read out of VE otherwise. Hopeless and Giygas are about equal to me; just sheer inactives. Yamato breaking from the shared reads heuristic bothers me, but judging by filter size he's town. | ||
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getmoript
1016 Posts
On April 25 2013 15:18 yamato77 wrote: Ace, my filter is bigger than yours. Where the fuck do you get "low activity" from? Lol. I can attest to this. Yamato's "filter" is huge. It's almost the size of a child's hand | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
WOW, I forgot all about that bullshit. I could lynch him just for that. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
<3 | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
- VE: is a complete null read for me except for kush's idea of a mafia not thinking to post what he did first. Leaning town for that reason. I'm not behind the current votes for VE. - ShiaoPi: This means nothing about his scumminess/innocence, but this may be why he's so inactive: On April 18 2013 15:15 ShiaoPi wrote: screw my schedule :S /unobs /in Anyway, he started off wonderfully by saying practically nothing about the 3 people he's asked about. On April 22 2013 11:54 ShiaoPi wrote: Raynepelikoneet: Nothing to see here. TheRavensName: Just some noobing around. Hopeless1nder: Also nothing of note here. Then accuses Sharrant, who seems to be target #1 for both main suspects at the moment (I'm not counting VE cause I think it's a stupid lynch). He proceeds to hammer Oats for "being silly", when it would have been sound to wait for the hammer, so we could at the very least get more info out of Oats before he got lynched. And now he's sort of gone. From what we've seen so far, I'm gonna say he's scum. - Clarity: I'd like to point out this: On April 23 2013 11:27 Clarity_nl wrote: And more.... Not even indicating any read, just asking for reads from another player. More of this: This was one of Clarity's point's on Sharrant. At the time, Yamato and Oats were the top two candidates for the lynch. This isn't just reaching so that the post looks larger, this is straight up wrong, and was something that Sharrant was actually doing properly. The other thing about him was that he supposedly lied about when he was catching up with the thread and was too quick reading. I don't think this really makes him particularly scummy, and a town or mafia could do the exact same thing. Leaning Scummy for others' reasons as well as that top post, but not for his "record-setting reading prowess". Scummy, but not as much as ShiaoPi. - Ace: People are saying he's scum because he's not been playing very well, and it's outside of his meta or something, so I decided to look through his filter. - Was one of or the first to point out the obvious thing that maybe, just maybe, Bill Murray wasn't actually claiming. - Something I noticed on day 1 is he seemed to not really react to posts for a while unless he was directly spoken to/about, or if there was an opportunity for a meme. - Voted Yamato with little reasoning. He doesn't actually give much reasoning for much unless asked on. Could be a playstyle thing like he says though. - Likes the oats cases, but provides reasoning for it. - Found a contradiction here: On April 23 2013 06:03 Ace wrote: oh ok. Infinite days are possible. Ignore the part about wasting our time then, even though you still need a more convincing case than "he plays different from this one time I saw him". That's just utter bullshit and won't convince anyone. No effort at all. On April 23 2013 06:37 Ace wrote: To all you people lurking the thread lets get some consensus going. Right now I've got my vote on yamato but Vivax's case on Oats looks like an even better lynch. These are our top two suspects at the moment and imo, our best 2. do not stall these fucking wagons unless you've got a really good case of your own. Else wise the discussion should be focused on these two for now. Arguments for/against either of them will be greatly appreciated. He wants us to take our time, and then really pushes hard for an oats/yamato hammer from there. - But other than day 1, he's been town in my eyes. More recently, he's been contributing valuable info and insight. For that reason, I've got a null read on him. Going to bed now, will try and keep updated with my phone throughout the day tomorrow. | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
On April 25 2013 15:37 getmoript wrote: Giygas: NULLTown read x2, Prefers Oats but votes Yamato???, uses an odd heuristic, inactive I voted oats, this is just straight up incorrect. I never even switched my vote to Yamato for a second. Anyway: ##Vote ShiaoPi | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
So I am now on the chopping block for being the hammer vote on oats? Answering to the points of vivax now: -low activity: well ya, fuck my life for being busy. This also results in my "low involvement" as I obviously cant do much without much time.... Now onto why I hammered oats instead of following up on Sharrant: Look at the vote counts at the time when I "magically" returned. It's pretty much obvious that no one else besides Oats or yamato would get lynched that day. Waiting on oats to start to do something useful would be like waiting for a train that will never come anyway. Come on look at that shitfest in the pages before the lynch and tell me with a serious face that oats was getting productive.....Felt like a waste of time to keep waiting for him, so I thought fuck it, hammer him and we will know more. If that explanation aint satisfying enough for you, can't help you. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On April 25 2013 15:59 GiygaS wrote: Anyway, he started off wonderfully by saying practically nothing about the 3 people he's asked about. Sharrant is kind of nullish town now, but I did not feel the need to tell a scumspect of mine what my reads were. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On April 24 2013 00:08 ShiaoPi wrote: The question is much more why the fuck is he being silly if he is town? On April 24 2013 00:13 ShiaoPi wrote: Fuck it I am hammering oats now On April 24 2013 00:14 ShiaoPi wrote: Aaand off he goes ##vote: Oatsmaster Zero mention of Oats before this and absolutely no indication that you thought he was scummy. You hammering him looks more like a mafia finding a reason to lynch town than a town reaching a tipping point of frustration with Oats like you would have us believe. Yeah, you die for this. Sorry. | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
On April 25 2013 03:18 getmoript wrote: Read the bolded section. This shows that Sylencia didn't think that Oats was suspicious. Admittedly, I guess I presumed 'not suspicious' = town, but that's reasonable assumption. Are you trying to say that people can't form town reads and can't defend them? Are we supposed to believe that you just classify everyone in shades of null-leaning-town/scum? I don't understand this outlook, can you explain this further? This just looks like you're trying to bypass the point. How do you form your tells? If you think he's a liar, then why not pressure him flat out for lying. You keep on taking this observer aspect to the game instead of being a participant which doesn't feel towny to me. If B is supposed to be scum, then why not say scum? If he is scum, then what information do you think that he could be withholding? If you think he's withholding information, then why don't you try and pressure him to get that information out of him. It just looks to me like you're more than happy to pop in and out when you please and download whatever information you please to the thread to avoid suspicion/being lynched. How is what you're doing beneficial? You've given summaries, not analysis. How is that town-motivated? 1. Cool, I didn't find Oats to be suspicious from the first page of the game, what of it? 2. People can make town reads, but if you're limiting yourself to a subset of the game and then calling them town because their actions replicate those of previous games, I consider that to be weak. 3. Because I already covered what I wanted from rayn from the quotes I found, he continued with the same reasoning, and it was going to continue along in that cycle. 4. Does everything need to be spelled out to you for you to understand what is being meant? Point B has already been mentioned in the game, and it's pretty much meaning the same thing. On April 22 2013 05:17 ObviousOne wrote: Sylencia this post makes you sound nervous. The structure of the sentence, as normally seen in literature, makes it look like you are hiding something. You seem to have let this drop off rather casually, as did Yamato. IMO the early prod of you on Yamato's part worked because you have demonstrated here that you are possibly hiding something. Your second post says to disregard your first, so all I have to go on from you is that you are nervous. So are you hiding the fact that you are scum? Or are you hiding that you haven't a clue what is going on? Please explain thoroughly your opinion on at least two players so I can learn about you. Your filter is too scummy to ignore. This is the quote. Are you reading the thread at all? On April 25 2013 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wtf man, i though I was definitely scum as you voted for me (for reasons i don't even understand) on D1. Y U no hate me anymore? You still are though I haven't looked into your filter since the last time I accused you. Also, I've seen you do this before but why do you ask people to label you as scum for life after they suspect you? In either case, I haven't been looking at filters like I had hoped, I've now read ShiaoPi's filter and from the points: - Considers TRN, myself and rayn to be potential scum - Hammers Oatsmaster I have to wonder why he decided to do so considering 2/3 of this suspected scum were on that wagon. In addition, the reasoning of: On April 25 2013 16:15 ShiaoPi wrote: Look at the vote counts at the time when I "magically" returned. It's pretty much obvious that no one else besides Oats or yamato would get lynched that day. given that there's no deadline so a change in votes was still entirely possible makes this so wrong. As for my current vote, I'm really wanting to go with Shiao but given VE is the one who has started the wagon I don't even know if that's the right move given I still don't see him being townie in my eyes. I'm going to hold onto the vote for now, but as of right now my read on who is scum are: VE, Shiao, grush (you guys are dumb with starsenses). | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On April 25 2013 15:45 yamato77 wrote: Oh, that's right, it was Shiao who dropped that hammer. WOW, I forgot all about that bullshit. I could lynch him just for that. On April 25 2013 11:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright ladies I remember reading through earlier and thinking 'it's fucking obvious Vivax masined a scum' who did he mason N1? Oh fuck nvm now I remember BH posted it doesnt start till the day? it's all coming back. Ok. Drinking lots of water B\M Imf ine. I'm not voting for VE rihgt now I need lots more evidence than that 'cause like many others I jsut can't get a fucking handle on him. I'm still up for Shiaopi or Sylencia, not 100% sure on CLarity; something he psoted seemed really town-motivated so I'd ideally want to look elsewhere. The hammer is honestly the worst thing I think shiaopi has going for him (amongst other things) I remember when I hammered in Ego at least I had dropped some suspicion onto Axle at some poitn during the day and discussed it somewhat; why the fuck as town would you hammer blindly like that> Lol even drunk I made a little sense. Reading for real now. Also I may or may not have loled at the reason you don't want to call me scum geript. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On April 25 2013 17:54 yamato77 wrote: So looking through your thought process at the time of the lynch, I don't see at all what you're trying to posit as the truth now. Zero mention of Oats before this and absolutely no indication that you thought he was scummy. You hammering him looks more like a mafia finding a reason to lynch town than a town reaching a tipping point of frustration with Oats like you would have us believe. Yeah, you die for this. Sorry. lol then enjoy your mislynch yamato. I would say my annoyance with oats is quite obvious in those quotes. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On April 25 2013 14:00 getmoript wrote: The problem with VE is that he hasn't gotten pissed off at Palmar at all. Ace thinks that Palmar is just doing this for the lulz and that's VE's assumption as well: But VE isn't getting mad. Not whatsoever. He's not responding like he's pissed at all. There are no misspellings in what he's typed. The furthest he's gone is to tell me to fuck off. I'm interested to see how he returns, but how VE's responded reminds me more of how he responded to me in PYP. Plus BM is right, there's not the "intention to kill" in his posts that's there as town. Before getting to reread I felt stronger about lynching Shiao, but right now I much prefer VE. On April 22 2013 02:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Defend against what? Why can't he have a townread on Palmar and know he's not going to be active as town and sheep a townread? I'm going to be in Vegas for 4 days next weekend and I'll be playing in a similar fashion (if I live that long) and I'm town, that seems feasible enough. Has he said he's not going to be active? He's here now and you're not asking him anything. You're whole reasoning is bullshit. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Fucking sad | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
Visceraeyes (4): Palmar, raynpelikoneet, GiygaS (1): grush57 Palmar (0): ShiaoPi (4): VisceraEyes, Clarity_nl (3): Sharrant, Ace, Bill Murray Stutters695 (1): Tube Remember, this Day ends when a majority is reached. As soon as a majority is reached, please stop posting until the Night Post has been posted. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here: (link) With 23 alive it takes 12 votes to lynch. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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