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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 25 2013 15:36 GMT
#1661
On April 26 2013 00:34 ObviousOne wrote:
Sounds good help me out and we can just lynch you at LYLO.


Sounds like a party.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 25 2013 15:37 GMT
#1662
CC, why don't you tell me why you find BC/Ace potentially scum?
Writer@WriterYamato
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 15:37 GMT
#1663
BC will be back sometime soon according to his schedule he laid out earlier IIRC. Get your game face on, because the Mood's about to change.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 25 2013 15:38 GMT
#1664
On April 26 2013 00:35 yamato77 wrote:
The reason I'm running through all this is that I'm not particularly happy with any of the lynches that most of town is talking about. VE of yesterday feels somewhat town. I feel like more time would only bury scum VE or give chance to solidify a town read on VE. There's absolutely no rush for his lynch to be finalized.

Shaio is easy to mislynch, as evidenced by the suspicion on him in day 2 of British Empire 1, also an instant lynch where he was lurkish, and eventually replaced. The worst part of his filter is the hammer sequence, but even that could be explained by overly eager town who got caught up in the game emotionally.

Clarity is always inactive, and him being fixated on Sharrant is not alignment indicative. His case is objectively something that scum like to do, but in the context of the game, I can see a town Clarity who had a late start feeling the need to get his thoughts about the game on the table, even if they weren't about the main lynch candidates. The fact that he basically has no other reads in the game is a point in his favor, but just like VE, we can afford to play a waiting game with him, seeing as we have unlimited time.

At the very least, we need real discussion about the alignments of Ace/BC/Palmar before we move forward with any lynch. Ace is the most town out of the three, and BC the least, in my eyes. I'd say a long day is in order, and town need to consolidate pressure upon just a few people so that we can determine their alignments more clearly.


Yamato is 100% town, no paranoia about him any more.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 25 2013 15:39 GMT
#1665
How about we not let BC come in and shit all over the town atmosphere?

For once, I'm actually attempting to add some positive vibes to it.
Writer@WriterYamato
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 25 2013 15:41 GMT
#1666
Contrary to popular opinion, reading the OP is actually a good skill toi have
On March 22 2013 20:48 Blazinghand wrote:
Death Eaters

Scum KP is # of scum / 2, rounded down. Scum KP is delivered factionally and cannot be roleblocked. Scum will return normal-looking roles to rolecop checks (ie Scum Vigilante returns Vigilante, Scum Goon returns Vanilla, Scum Framer returns Cop) but with the exception of the Godfather, return Red to DT checks.
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 15:42 GMT
#1667
If he goes full bully we can just lynch him and solve all our problems. He might even be mafia which would be a bonus.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 25 2013 15:42 GMT
#1668
I like the idea of keeping it to Ace/BC/Palmar. Given that scum shot at Vivax rather than any of the vets, it seems they don't want to thin out that field. Even when they don't look particularly town they can still solve the game so keeping them alive is a big risk. That risk probably isn't taken for no reason, especially with the instant majority system allowing for long days.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 25 2013 15:42 GMT
#1669
@Yamato

I feel like Ace could be scum via some association bullshit later in the game. For someone who is super godly at this game (or something like that) I figure he would have been the center of discussion. Some things come off scummy others seem kinda towny. He's a fairly null read tbh in the grand scheme of things which sucks. I also know apparently he's good at mafia which makes me further paranoid about him. Not a good lynch, forever null.

BC is mafia because he spen the entirety of D1 throwing shit at people ("You are scum for what I bolded"). He also only took a really strong stance against you, which I think is wrong right about now.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 25 2013 15:43 GMT
#1670
On April 26 2013 00:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
Contrary to popular opinion, reading the OP is actually a good skill toi have
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 20:48 Blazinghand wrote:
Death Eaters

Scum KP is # of scum / 2, rounded down. Scum KP is delivered factionally and cannot be roleblocked. Scum will return normal-looking roles to rolecop checks (ie Scum Vigilante returns Vigilante, Scum Goon returns Vanilla, Scum Framer returns Cop) but with the exception of the Godfather, return Red to DT checks.

I already knew that.

None of my analysis says that town JK should jail offensively. It says the opposite. But yeah, thanks for your stellar contribution and reading comprehension. How about some analysis of the alignment of the player I was discussing in that post?
Writer@WriterYamato
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 25 2013 15:44 GMT
#1671
Palmar. Ugh. I just feel like he was defensively jailed and was shot. My top two people to get shot N1 were Vivax and Palmar, respectively. And this just makes too much sense.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 25 2013 15:44 GMT
#1672
On April 26 2013 00:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I like the idea of keeping it to Ace/BC/Palmar. Given that scum shot at Vivax rather than any of the vets, it seems they don't want to thin out that field. Even when they don't look particularly town they can still solve the game so keeping them alive is a big risk. That risk probably isn't taken for no reason, especially with the instant majority system allowing for long days.

Precisely a good point.

So what do you think about them? Let me know when you're caught up.
Writer@WriterYamato
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 25 2013 15:46 GMT
#1673
I haven't read up on them yet because I'm lazy and really tired. Will probably do so tomorrow.
Almost certain one of those three is scum since if none of them were scum would just shoot at two of them, worst case scenario only one dies.
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 15:48 GMT
#1674
For the record, on N1 my read of BC was "makes me rage, could be town"

I'll look him over again along with clarity when I do the filters thing.

Ace is interesting. He championed the d1 lynch wagons as the only choices (outside of any further cases) and pushed to move things along despite us having no time limit.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 25 2013 15:48 GMT
#1675
On April 26 2013 00:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Yamato

I feel like Ace could be scum via some association bullshit later in the game. For someone who is super godly at this game (or something like that) I figure he would have been the center of discussion. Some things come off scummy others seem kinda towny. He's a fairly null read tbh in the grand scheme of things which sucks. I also know apparently he's good at mafia which makes me further paranoid about him. Not a good lynch, forever null.

BC is mafia because he spen the entirety of D1 throwing shit at people ("You are scum for what I bolded"). He also only took a really strong stance against you, which I think is wrong right about now.

I have very similar sentiments about Ace, but just the fact that he seems RELATIVELY town when compared to most of the game makes me feel like he's not a good lynch for a while.

BC, though, I've seen be a negative force in many towns, acting superior and being a dick. What I haven't seen is him being lazy enough with his scum reads that he fails to properly justify them. A good bit of his filter is also devoted to policy lynch discussion about the miller claim thing, which is disturbing. I feel like a look st his filter from Personality 2 might give me some insight into his alignment, as he was town shot N1 in that game. I don't particularly remember much of it, as the game was such a blur of spam.
Writer@WriterYamato
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 25 2013 15:49 GMT
#1676
On April 26 2013 00:48 ObviousOne wrote:
For the record, on N1 my read of BC was "makes me rage, could be town"

I'll look him over again along with clarity when I do the filters thing.

Ace is interesting. He championed the d1 lynch wagons as the only choices (outside of any further cases) and pushed to move things along despite us having no time limit.


This was one of the scummier things due to my read on Yamato right now.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 25 2013 15:50 GMT
#1677
On April 26 2013 00:48 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 00:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Yamato

I feel like Ace could be scum via some association bullshit later in the game. For someone who is super godly at this game (or something like that) I figure he would have been the center of discussion. Some things come off scummy others seem kinda towny. He's a fairly null read tbh in the grand scheme of things which sucks. I also know apparently he's good at mafia which makes me further paranoid about him. Not a good lynch, forever null.

BC is mafia because he spen the entirety of D1 throwing shit at people ("You are scum for what I bolded"). He also only took a really strong stance against you, which I think is wrong right about now.

I have very similar sentiments about Ace, but just the fact that he seems RELATIVELY town when compared to most of the game makes me feel like he's not a good lynch for a while.

BC, though, I've seen be a negative force in many towns, acting superior and being a dick. What I haven't seen is him being lazy enough with his scum reads that he fails to properly justify them. A good bit of his filter is also devoted to policy lynch discussion about the miller claim thing, which is disturbing. I feel like a look st his filter from Personality 2 might give me some insight into his alignment, as he was town shot N1 in that game. I don't particularly remember much of it, as the game was such a blur of spam.


Of all the vets I think we can say that BC is the scummiest. I would say BC ----> Ace ----> Palmar from red to green.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 15:52 GMT
#1678
Palmar feels town to me but I am a victim of my subconscious having listened to Scumcast 3 yesterday. Palmar I want your opinion on Ace when it is up to date.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 25 2013 15:54 GMT
#1679
Also: Stutters is probably town. If he replaced scum, I think he'd be eager to make up for lost time and prove his false towniness, making a case on someone. If scum, I think he would just glance at the thread and filter people for scummy things. At least I believe his team would be shouting at him right now and give him some advice on where to look. His first post was on page 60 at which time he claimed to have read 30 pages.

This is, of course, an entirely terrible and cavalier read but I think it's true.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 25 2013 15:55 GMT
#1680
Conversely, Clarity is scum because he did the opposite of stutters.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
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