EPTTL Mafia LXI - Page 114
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
i was a bit busy with something unimportant, and a few important things. I haven't gotten to catch up properly. However, expect a wall post shortly. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
On April 27 2013 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote: I guess I just wonder who that might be. Palmar has done more to get me lynched than you have if it's me which is pretty pathetic considering the copious amount of dick he's done in general. Like I said before, this has bothered me most of today. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 27 2013 11:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS waiting for a modkill is not a reason to not vote for someone who is scummy. i agree with this line of reasoning it's not like we're going to get a replacement this far into the game, or a restart. If he's not here, and he's on most everyones scum lists (he's definitely on mine, and I will hammer on him the moment I can - I pretty much called out his case as being reaching... not that others wouldn't have without me... but I was def. a crucial part of Clarity's pressure/disappearing act) | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 27 2013 09:18 Ace wrote: VE how about we lynch clarity first. If he flips Town, then we just vigi ShiaoPi. If he flips Scum we can all reconsider our reads on ShiaoPi and look at who didn't want clarity dead and voted for Shiao after this discussion popped up. What do you think about taking this set of actons? lets just do this ##vote clarity | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
Mafia are just not in a position where bussing is a particularly viable strategy. Read through the OP quickly. If we lynch a mafia right now they will have a single factional KP, and we most likely blocked a KP on night one. This means that a bus would make it 18 (minus whatever amount of third party, though only poisoner and survivor seem likely at this point) to 3. Mafia can have at most 3 vigis. So mafia can set town down to 14-3, at best, but then they will be stuck with 1 KP for the rest of the game, but most likely the roles only allow them to put it at 16-3, maybe even only 17-3 with good protections by town. (this doesn't include town vig shots which can make it better for mafia, or potentially wipe them out entirely at this point) If they can force a mislynch then they will have 2 kp tonight + vigis +another mislynched townie. Given that we can't know for how long the mafia knew in advance that Tube would be mod killed, I don't think it's likely that any of the mafia were bussing on Day 2 unless it was very soft bussing. Adding this on top of Ace's analysis of ShiaoPi from earlier actually makes me feel like ShiaoPi would be a very bad lynch for today. I don't really feel great about using a mod kill to flip Clarity. I'd rather lynch him if only to stay in the spirit of the game, but since we can take as long as we want, I'm willing to be flexible on this one. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
Vote Clarity_nl. Vote on the wagon of righteous vengeance. Hey I just got back And this is crazy But Clarity is scum So vote him, maybe? | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
but you make me lazy perhaps later ill vote him baby | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On April 27 2013 12:45 Palmar wrote: I am a butterfly! Well, it's your birthday, apparently. I can't lynch a guy on his birthday. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On April 27 2013 13:32 yamato77 wrote: Well, it's your birthday, apparently. I can't lynch a guy on his birthday. Korean birthday. Have at him.  | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, that took a lot of time to read. Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep. I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. ##vote: VE If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now. Much has been said about this entrance, but it was horrible, for a number of reasons. While it can be reasonably assumed that he is actually busy, the amount of this post used to excuse his own inactivity is mind-blowing. He has no original thought about the game, and doesn't seem to care about giving us any valid reasons for voting for VE outside of Palmar's lackluster efforts in pushing for the lynch. And then there's the bolded, his "reaction" to the tube modkill, that sets something off in my head. It seems unnatural and forced to go "(lol btw!)" in the middle of this post. I'd be happy with lynching him, if we feel we need to consolidate on a lynch. I've advocated playing a waiting game, but I saw it mentioned that we've only really talked about lynching between him/Clarity today, and I agree, so perhaps it is best if we move on. Another thing I thought to look at was the WHOLE votecount from day 1, not just the Oats wagon: On April 23 2013 13:25 iamperfection wrote: ~~~ Vote Count! ~~~ Oatsmaster: Hopeless1der: Bill Murray: Getmoript: TheRavensName: Raynpelikoneet: Sharrant, Sylencia, Hopeless1der, Ace: Sharrant: Yamato: VisceraEyes: GiygaS: Drazek: Bill Murray (1) Remember, this Day ends when a majority is reached. As soon as a majority is reached, please stop posting until the Night Post has been posted. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here: (link) With 25 alive it takes 13 votes to lynch. There are some changes to this: On April 23 2013 15:54 Bill Murray wrote: ##unvote drazak ##vote: yamato On April 23 2013 21:39 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: raynpelikoneet ##Vote: Oatsmaster On April 23 2013 23:30 yamato77 wrote: ##Unvote Oatsmaster ##Vote VisceraEyes On April 23 2013 23:57 yamato77 wrote: ##Unvote VE ##Vote BloodyCobbler On April 23 2013 23:58 Sylencia wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Oats On April 24 2013 00:13 ShiaoPi wrote: ##vote: Oatsmaster So the votecount itself is somewhat difficult to analyse, seeing as most people were either on me or Oats, but the people on Rayn do seem out of place, and it is even more weird that two of them managed to get themselves on to Oats before his lynch; Sylencia and Hopeless. Also note that Shiao's only vote of the whole day was the hammer on Oats. And people want to say that it isn't scummy? Yeah, no. But as before, there were multiple vote changes inbetween, and they are worth looking into. To begin why did Sylencia decide to change to Oats? On April 23 2013 23:58 Sylencia wrote: Oats is the vote for me. Case from Vivax + aftermath between yamato vs Oats has convinced me more to taking down Oats. The thing that was holding me back most was that my primary scum suspect (rayn) was on Oats fairly early on. However: Given that Oats never actually provided anything for us in terms of reads afterwards and posted crap about being green and telling people to push others. If he has nothing to say either: a) He's playing as the bad townie b) He's withholding that info from us to stop us from gaining more than we need from the lynch. Either case is bad for town, so that's why I'm willing to go down on Oats. ##Unvote ##Vote Oats Seems more of a case for voting for "bad town" than scum, which seems like a slip of a scum mindset, in my opinion. Why? Because it is something I run into as scum, how to formulate a read on a town player and call them scum so I can vote for them. Most of the time, it is "bad town" that get mislynched, so the difference becomes vague. Justifying a vote by saying that someone is "bad for town" is an easy scum out, because town players can and will be anti-town on many occasions. Yet this is Sylencia's mindset, and how he justifies the vote on Oats. Just from this voting analysis, I feel he might be mafia. I have yet to analyse his filter in totality, but given this, I will definitely give it a look. On April 23 2013 21:39 Hopeless1der wrote: Vivax where did your unofficial count come from it looks wonky... in any case, this should be L-1 on Oats ##Unvote: raynpelikoneet ##Vote: Oatsmaster Hopeless. + Show Spoiler + Get it? Anyway, this is Wonder's SECOND EVER mention of Oatsmaster, and the first one where he gives any inclination of thinking him mafia. AMAZING! HOW DID HE REACH THIS SECRET CONCLUSION?!?!?! On April 23 2013 22:37 Hopeless1der wrote: I think you're too trolly in the face of dieing to be town. I'm not even certain you have a scum read on anyone at all. You've provided next to nothing. A shitty list post where your strongest scum read is "well someone has to be scum, why not Ace". gtfo. Wow. I'm not saying this is totally regurgitation of other people's arguments, but it is. This also come AFTER his vote, where he's fully aware that he's putting Oats one vote away from lynch. And then guess what happens... I unvote (temporarily delaying the lynch), Sylencia manages to vote AND: On April 24 2013 00:14 ShiaoPi wrote: Aaand off he goes ##vote: Oatsmaster The hammer! This all happens within the span of ~2 hours, mind you, when I'm screaming at the thread not to lynch Oats. Say what you want about me, but all three of these votes are particularly HORRID, and all of them are either switches off Rayn (a wagon that seems inherently scummy, in that people that switched off it didn't seem to change their read on him much) or the player's first vote of the game. Is there a chance they are town? Sure. I'd probably say Sylencia has the most chance to be town, since when compared to the other two, his vote looks the MOST explained, despite the fishy nature of the post. The other two, however, give very little indication that they think Oats is mafia before they vote, and the hammer in particular looks like TEXTBOOK MAFIA trying to find a good reason to just lynch a town. Notably, I did something JUST like this day 1 of British Empire 1 (also instant majority), where I fabricated suspicion of a town-created wagon on a town player and managed to hammer him for the lynch. Only this is even worse, and more obvious, because they didn't even manage to look like they thought about it before obviously putting Oats in danger of, and actually being lynch. That's VCA done right, bros. And from it, I find the willingness to lynch the fuck out of Shiapi, because this is bullshit. No matter how much post-hoc justification he gives, there is only mafia motivation to be seen in what he has done. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
But I do agree with a clarity lynch. I still don't understand how he entered the thread "catching up" and then had a fully fledged case within an hour. There was additionally no interest in pushing that lynch any harder. There is literally not a single "sharrant" in his filter after the case. It just doesn't feel natural. He didn't ask Sharrant anything to try to determine his alignment, no "hey sharrant, explain this" or "what do you think about this". Just a straight up case with no build-up and no follow-up. Which basically tells me his heart wasn't really in it. So with that I'm switching my vote to Clarity. Lessgo. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
but yamato "but I saw it mentioned that we've only really talked about lynching between him/Clarity today, " totally untrue i have provided multiple lynch candidates, and have some I HAVE EVEN MENTIONED YET. You bring up one, coincidentally: Sylencia. Dude parroted me, and is scummy as fuck. Would love to lynch him, but he's sitting around the 5th - 6th "love to lynch the most" on my list. Clarity is higher than that. Palmar gave my reasoning, when I first attacked the case: the timing of it is suspect. "oh i was reading 70 pages an hour before that" "oh i had time to filter dive" "oh i went back and read the 2 pages randomly" yeah, no. ## | ||
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Ange777
Germany1164 Posts
VisceraEyes (1): Kushm4sta: (0) GiygaS (0): Palmar (1): ShiaoPi (7): Clarity_nl (10): Sharrant, Ace, Bill Murray, Stutters695 (0): Ace (0): yamato77 (0): Sharrant (0): WaveofShadow (0): Remember, this Day ends when a majority is reached. As soon as a majority is reached, please stop posting until the Night Post has been posted. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here: (link) Please keep in mind that with 22 alive it now only takes 11 votes to lynch! If there are any mistakes in the vote count, please inform us. | ||
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