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Celtics and Knicks game started so my activity gonna die down. Dont forget about yamato. He is gone once again while we talk about other stuff. Above all else he should be vigi target #1 tonight.
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On April 24 2013 08:03 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So why did you decide those three players were the ones you should be reading more into over, let's say yamato/Oats? cause I had already read over oats and yamato Those three names were just cause looking at the playerlist I couldn't recall anything about them, reads etc. BC had a ton of stupid miller discussion crap but today he's as green as can be Bed now.
This was his last post. Is there a reason to not let mods flip him since its been 72 hours?
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Horseshit. I've been around as much as I can be today. Ace if you want me to switch over to Clarity can you alleviate my fears that its a mislynch? You didn't address my reasoning post for why I don't feel good about it.
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my bad Wos, I thought I answered everything. Point it out to me again.
@getmoript: that makes everything even simpler. Just let clarity get modkilled and we vote ShiaoPi based on the flip.
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On April 27 2013 07:20 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 07:18 Ace wrote:On April 27 2013 07:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ace you make an interesting point but I just don't feel good about a Clarity lynch. How many of those 6 matching voters would you say are scum, and what would it mean if Shiao does turn out to be scum? *nods at the conclusion BC has drawn WoS I honestly don't know yet. I've got a few players I'm leaning Scum on but I won't say because I'm not 100% sure and it doesn't make sense to start more wagons and finger pointing. Lets solve one thing at a time. if Shiao does turn out to be Scum AND clarity doesn't then the matching voters look real townish and I'm just wrong. Why does a clarity lynch feel uneasy to you? For reasons I explained here: Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 01:06 WaveofShadow wrote:Alright I read through Clarity; I have to ask, is he a new player or has he been around a while? His play of 'posting something so I get something in before the hammer' seems like the kind of thing I did when I was knew; self preservation when none was necessary at all, and I was called scum for it multiple times when in fact I was town. Like...his posting is awful and after having been around a little while I see exactly why now: On April 24 2013 00:09 Clarity_nl wrote:On April 23 2013 23:49 Vivax wrote:On April 23 2013 11:39 Clarity_nl wrote:On April 23 2013 11:34 Bill Murray wrote:On April 23 2013 10:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
I am here now and catching up, did not expect this game to start so soon, sorry. one hour later has read the entire game and made a case on sharrant? his case is really tunnely, and reaching, as well FoS Clarity Yeah okay I might have started reading and then figured I would read the last two pages and see palmar talking about possibly being the hammervote so figured I'd show my face. interested why you think my case is reaching, though. I find this quote interesting. Clarity apparently was afraid of not posting anything before the hammer fell, and here he is admitting that his case on Sharrant was something done in haste, and to "show his face", not cause he found the reasons good enough to post them so quickly. Hi Vivax. When you say interesting, what do you mean? Because pointing out something as interesting and seeing if anyone else jumps on it is interesting. Erm, yes I wanted to get a couple of posts in before day 1 ended, and I didn't just want it to be "I'm here guys", I do possess some self preservation. I figured if I showed my face maybe people would hold off on hammering and give me a chance to catch up. Turns out palmar wasn't even close to hammering but w/e, I wasn't sure. And I did find reasons, maybe the case isn't well worded or convincing but it is in essence why I believe he's scum. Just weak as hell case which I called him out on to start and he admits at the same time he did it 'self-preserve' but also to prevent people from hammering? Just seems so fishy but knowing my own play I can't necessarily call it scummy per se. On April 23 2013 16:02 Clarity_nl wrote:On April 23 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2013 12:16 Clarity_nl wrote:On April 23 2013 12:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Why is there a case on Sharrant by some guy that randomly got into the thread.... Why not? Maybe instead of asking a question that has no answer you could comment on the case I made? I'll comment on it. I already forget who said it but it screams to me of reaching. I have a very strong townread on Sharrant right now and nothing you bring up in your case on him strikes me as scummy at all---how is providing 'easy outs' as you call them an anti-town thing to do? What is inherently scummy about the way he has presented himself? I will agree that his methodology isn't necessarily great but it certainly doesn't look scummy. For example in the first example you gave he provides Rayn with an out because they had already been arguing for fucking ages and shitting up the thread; it's entirely possible that he wants the argument to end as well and just wants to get a clear read, which certainly seems likely as he encourages Rayn to continue the discussion on another subject. I don't see anything wrong with his asking questions of others; everybody in here does that and you're really reaching with his talking about how he has to go eat makes him look insecure. You say that he just asks shallow questions to look involved? He's been plenty involved and has had plenty opportunity as scum to just blend it or let something go and make it seem as though he has contributed. Your case is bad and I urge you to look over something else if YOU want to make it seem like you're contributing. Providing easy outs isn't anti-town so much as it is pro-scum. It's very easy to say "do this or I'll lynch you!!!!" because your target will do what you ask. This is fine if you are asking for something that may result in anything but when you ask a question with only one possible answer regardless of your targets alignment then it is just a waste of space. If you are town and you are scumhunting you do NOT want to give whoever you're pressuring the "how-to-get-rid-of-me guide" Asking questions is fine, it generates discussion even when you do it as scum, but when there is no clear motivation NOR follow-up behind the questions then I begin to wonder why the question was asked at all, and I can only see it as feigning to contribute which is obviously a scum trait. Although I don't agree with defending a townread day 1 at all unless they are at risk of being lynched (which he is clearly not) you do make a valid point concerning the first post I addressed. I still believe I am on to something but I can see with the current thread sentiment and the fact that I am in no strong position (showing up way late >.<) that this lynch isn't happening. A weak case is still a case and it could have sparked some discussion that's not centered around oats and yamato which are as far as I'm concerned both policy lynches at best. He calls this rebuttal to his case a hard defense of Sharrant later on (which it may well have been) but aren't hard defenses in general seen as a little bit scummy? Why just accept it not call me out on it? Why back down so feebly in the end if he believes in it so strongly? It just screams to me of my play in like the first couple games I ever played where anyone could make me back down from my own cases and I was completely unsure of myself. Again, objectively his posting looks awful and somewhat scummy, but knowing the kind of stuff other people called me out for in the past when I was town I just don't know if I can see it as such. Including the stuff BM thinks Clarity is flat-out lying about. The post where he says "I don't care" seems more out of frustration than anything else....ugh. I REALLY want to hear more from him and don't like the idea of a Clarity lynch....yet.
Ok I assume this is it. Thought I replied.
I'm guessing you want more time from clarity since he appears new player like to you? I mean I dont agree with it since he's been gone so long, and ShiaoPi showing up atleast gives explanation to a possible town flip. I can't promise that there wont be a mislynch, no one can. it is entirely possible clarity is just new, but there is no explanation for him being new + not scum yet. ShiaoPi at least has one.
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Any thoughts on how to shake this uneasiness with you showing your work so much Ace? Did you just get tired of being mislynched or something?
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I just want maybe one post from clarity before he's lynched preferably, hell, he may even get modkilled before we reacha majority anyway.
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I always try to show my work VE. why should that make you uneasy
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On April 27 2013 09:59 Ace wrote:
I always try to show my work VE. why should that make you uneasy
Oh bullshit. How many times have I personally tried to get you lynched SPECIFICALLY for you not showing your work?
Your activity in this game is much higher than past games I've played with you - much, sir. And you haven't ragequit because of stupidity or come even close the whole game.
Little things sir. Not scummy things per se, just things I don't expect from Ace.
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Clarity hasn't been here for 72 hours now .. in which case I'd much rather go for the kill on Shiao today. I won't be around for much today (though I guess you could argue I haven't been around too much), since I'm going to be at a LAN tournament, but I'll try sneak a peek at the topic whenever I can.
##Vote ShiaoPi
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No thats you being guilty of not reading. The only times I dont "show work" is when I'm afk and cant respond or vote - which led to me being mislynched in my last 2 games.
"Showing my work" is one of my biggest claims to fame. And my activity levels are high in a bunch of games. I dont see why that would make you uneasy right now as it is not indicative of my alignment.
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I'm just talking about games I've played with you, which is typically the only meta I draw from.
But fair enough...you're right in that it doesn't make you scummy to me.
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Ugh remind me what it means when town is split down the middle again guys...my brain is too fried to think right now.
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On April 27 2013 09:28 Ace wrote:
Celtics and Knicks game started so my activity gonna die down. Dont forget about yamato. He is gone once again while we talk about other stuff. Above all else he should be vigi target #1 tonight.
Ugh.
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Blazinghand
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Clarity_nl has been warned for inactivity.
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+ Show Spoiler +I know we're not supposed to talk about this but it affects the game quite a bit...
If a modkill occurs, will it happen at a specific point during the Day/Night or will you just dole it out when you see fit, BH?
(There may be no point in voting Clarity at all... >.<)
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WoS waiting for a modkill is not a reason to not vote for someone who is scummy.
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Honestly, I don't like a Clarity lynch just because he has been gone for so long.
I feel like if he were this AFK, a scumteam would just bus him for the cred.
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On April 27 2013 11:58 yamato77 wrote:
Honestly, I don't like a Clarity lynch just because he has been gone for so long.
I feel like if he were this AFK, a scumteam would just bus him for the cred.
After mentioning that Shiao may have already done that, they may be wary of that. Too much WIFOM to be sure.
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That or scum is actively bussing a lurky Shaio
I mean, they're pretty much the same fucking lynch, IMO. Both are lurky, both have done almost nothing this entire game.
I would lynch Clarity over Shiao, but I'd prefer we lynch someone who I can actually be confident is mafia, hah.
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