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On April 27 2013 07:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
No, he didn't. He said he read the thread. Look at the top line.

"Well that took a lot of time to read" indicating that he read the thread. He didn't ever say he didn't read the thread, he said he read the thread. What are you even posting that as evidence of him saying?

Vivax very clearly said he wanted to lynch Shiao FIRST today, and you're using Vivax as a rallying cry to get people to lynch CLARITY Ace. That's why I'm having a hard time trusting your motivations here. And why I'm not going to switch based on your voting analysis.

On April 27 2013 08:11 Ace wrote:
First thread of thought
We have a voting wagon of a Town player making a case on another Town player. We know this because they are both dead and confirmed Town. Clear opportunity for Scum to jump on the wagon - this is where ShiaoPi comes in. When Vivax dies, he is hit on two different threads since Vivax, a confirmed Town player calls him out. Note this doesn't make Vivax's accusation correct - just free from Scum bias. Hold this as the first thread of thought in your head.

We get to our current point today. I compare the current Shiao wagon with the original wagon on Oats. I notice there is a large overlap of similar names. For Shiao to be scum TWO things have to happen: majority of the overlap between Oats wagon AND Shiao's would have to be Town. That is a rare possibility in my eyes. When taken in context with the Clarity wagon we see unique voters on his wagon. I don't think all 3 of these things can happen coincidentally. Now hold this as the first thread in your head. Even if you think this doesn't absolve ShiaoPi as scum, and it shouldn't, when added together with other threads of thought it does.

On April 27 2013 08:11 Ace wrote:
Second thread of thought

ShiaPi not reading, or barely reading vs Clarity doing the same. The difference here is that Clarity got caught by Sharrant solidly for just looking at buzz words, skimming the thread and coming up with anything. He called out a policy lynch scenario that didn't even happen. ShiaoPi shows up and tells us he doesn't have much time, and is sheeping Palmar. Clearly, he isn't reading much but this IS possible from a town p.o.v.. This is the second thread, hold this in your head.

On April 27 2013 08:11 Ace wrote:
Third thread of thought

So now we go back to ShiaoPi's wagon and assume he is Scum. That means if he dies and flips Town a whole host of people are in trouble. But we aren't lynching for information so the next best case is to look at Scum ShiaoPi from a voting aspect. He shows up, isn't reading the thread much. He votes for you VE, and NOT Clarity. The only other real suspect on the block. Even if he is Scum and not reading - how could his Scum team let that happen? they would be incredibly dumb and lazy to do so. Why go after you, a guy who has no real wagon on him and not save his own ass? It doesn't add up if he is Scum. The only explanation is him being Town and not reading enough to know whats going on, or he and clarity are Scum. If the latter case is true then the Scum team would be making an effort to push someone else. No one else is being pushed well from what I can see. If there is point it out to me. We also give you credit for calling tube out, and he did the same. This is the third thread.

On April 27 2013 08:29 getmoript wrote:
Ace, your points are bad and you should feel bad for making them. If clarity is scum, then that's two--TWO--scum who wholly afk'd. In that case, we can disregard the "can't have a lazy scum team" reasoning. Hydra just finished in a blowout (literally only 1 town death) because of lazy scum. Other than The Game, I can't think of an instance of an active, non-lazy scum team.

Why is that a rare possibility in your eyes? Especially considering Oats was a mislynch, why is it hard for you to believe that it's mostly, if not all, townies? Scum hide off mislynch wagons ALL THE TIME. I'll agree that it's rare that there are NO scum on a mislynch wagon, but you can say the same thing about scum being on a scum wagon - generally they'll try and save their buddies, but sometimes there's scum on the scum wagon.

Factor in the fact that Vivax died after pushing the Oats wagon. Why would scum shoot the guy who pushed the mislynch the previous day? Would that not draw MORE attention to the scum ON the wagon Ace?

Factor in the fact that Vivax died after pushing the Oats wagon. Why would scum shoot the guy who pushed the mislynch the previous day? Would that not draw MORE attention to the scum ON the wagon Ace?

Lastly someone clearly wanted Vivax, one of the most active players dead. Before he died he called out Clarity (who's been mia for ages), rayn (temporarily cleared), yamato (waiting on him), and ShiaoPi (bingo). 2 of these 3 outside rayne are also on the Oats wagon.

I don't see him lying about reading the thread as possible from a townie perspective. Obviously you disagree, but I just can't see a town ShiaoPi saying "I read the whole thread gosh it took a long time" when he clearly didn't read the thread at all. Yes, he's "sheeping Palmar"...but why? I mean if he has any kind of reasoning for thinking Palmar is town and says as much, that would be one thing BUT HE DOESN'T DUDE! His only reasoning is "His reads are similar to mine"....which if that's the case, then he's not really SHEEPING Palmar at all, simply voting with him!

I'm interested to hear why you think I'm not a "real suspect on the block". Yes, I don't have as many votes as the other candidates, but SEVERAL players have been in here SCREAMING about how I'm scum. I've been a viable candidate ALL FUCKING DAY LONG. And how would he even KNOW this without reading the thread unless he's scum getting information from his team?

As I said earlier - I agree with CC that tube's inactivity was bound to draw mod-action eventually and Shiao calling him out shouldn't give him any points just like it shouldn't give ME any points. If you're giving me points for that, whatever - but I'm not giving Shiao points for that because until halfway through today he had made ONE SINGLE POST in the game.

On April 27 2013 08:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not think ShiaoPi voting for VE over Clarity tells us much just looking by the fact that who he voted for. In my opinion it matters a little on who your vote is on unless it's on the person who got lynched. Far more important is why people vote for people they do. Based on this point of yours Ace, would you call yamato town aswell? After all he did oppose Oats lynch later on on D1 very vocally. I don't think this tells much about yamato's alignment, as Oats was lynched and yamato certainly had no credibility to swing the vote on anyone else. Same thing here, ShiaoPi is one of the leading candidates. He does have no credibility to get Clarity or VE lynched, it really does not matter who he votes for just based on the vote itself. Worst case scenario (assuming he is mafia) is that he votes for Clarity and this action gives people more reasons to vote for him (assuming Clarity is town - as ShiaoPi can't possibly have rock-solid reasons for his vote). If he votes for someone else, it looks better on him (as is the deal here with you for example). And i think his reasoning for VE being scum is bullshit and points more to his hero Palmar than to VE, after all he did give reasoning why he thinks VE is scum, when i asked him about it.

Other points you bring up might have merit, i need to look closer into them and decide what to do.