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Keirathi
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Mocsta
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On April 14 2013 01:57 Keirathi wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2013 01:52 Mocsta wrote: The answer you seek is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=174#3467 Short answer is "no" Law enfrocement can not receive GF bonus. You're reading that part wrong. It says "politicians gain bonuses FOR HAVING vote manipulation roles" not "politices gain bonuses TO vote manipulation roles". By your logic, how is godfather a logical bonus to assassin, a KP role? In fairness, i didnt quote the whole OP as it was a response to something specific. Here we go On March 19 2013 05:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: [/b]All roles that may be chosen are in the spoilers below. This game also has heavy theme elements. For instance every player will receive as part of their alignment PM a character from the show Boardwalk Empire. Depending on which character you receive you will have benefits for selecting a role that would fit the theme of your character. For example. If you are a character like Richard Harrow a KP role would be more powerful in your hands compared to a detective role. IE if you were a 1 shot kp role normally but are also Richard Harrow you would have 2 shots instead. Politicians gain advantages for having vote manipulation roles, law enforcement has advantages to investigative, gangsters to kp roles, Kingpins have advantages to Traditional mafia roles such as godfather, prince of darkness, janitor, framer, roleblocker. All other characters gain advantages to defensive roles. I get what you are saying though: why wasnt the # of shots increased. WIFOM, but perhaps because assassin is unlimited shots (if correct). Assassins blend in, so GF is a flavour satisfying bonus for an unliminted shot role (in my opinion) but yes, wifom. | ||
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Mocsta
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On April 14 2013 02:03 Keirathi wrote: I'm an alignment check, goofy. Ahh ok.. hmm much more plausible then. That reminds me.. Who did Vivax parity check? Will be really convenient if it was BM. | ||
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Restraining Order
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On April 14 2013 01:17 strongandbig wrote: Look at when I first brought up OO when I was trying to get sharrant to post more. Was OO under any suspicion at that point? If he was I don't remember it. The reason I was hesitant was because I made a superficially similar case on OO in red team mafia and he was town. But if I'm his scum buddy there's absolutely no motivation or upside for me to focus more attention on him during day 1 when both VE and artanis are prime thread suspects begging to be lynched. It's just stupid play, and I thought if there was one thing we established in red team it's that I may be bad at scum hunting but I'm not stupid. However, I was telling the truth night one - if I was a vig I would have shot him. However, that makes him a bad check - I thought the odds were decent that someone else would actually do it. Also a general rule as a blue - never talk about who you're actually going to act on. It's just begging for a roleblock if you're right and it's letting scum know they don't have to worry about you if you're wrong. Like, I can't believe you're actually using "he didn't check the guy he was talking about that night" as a reason I'm scum. Under that assumption, how exactly does he make a better shot, then? In that case, you doublestack the KP. I don't buy it. Yes I use the fact that you didn't check OO after saying you'd shoot him. Cop checks and shots use the same thought process for target selection, and it makes no sense to say "I would totally have shot and risk a doublestack, but I wouldn't check a guy that might maybe die" Look, if we're not supposed to lynch you today, Who do you suggest should be lynched instead of you? How about you talk about that instead. | ||
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Keirathi
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My entire point is we know that you get a bonus for picking a role that fits into your Theme. We have no idea how those bonuses are chosen, or assigned. We have anecdotal evidence that Assassin got a godfather bonus, and that Justice Vig got a bonus that either made him not compulsive and/or allowed him to shoot townies (probably the latter). That tells us that the bonuses within a single theme category aren't even the same and are role specific, but it doesn't tell us if other theme categories can get the same bonuses or not. | ||
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Keirathi
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Mocsta
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Night guys. One thing I learnt from filter diving last night (Art/VE/OO) was that, Artanis and IIRC OO; gave Vivax town reads with weird justifications. Artanis town reads on ppl like u, felt real (like he really thought u were town, and was giving points). But with Vivax, he just commented on some stuff about meta. Just something to keep in mind; if Vivax parity check was on BM; I would just lynch him. | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 14 2013 02:23 Mocsta wrote: Too tired for this shit. Night guys. One thing I learnt from filter diving last night (Art/VE/OO) was that, Artanis and IIRC OO; gave Vivax town reads with weird justifications. Artanis town reads on ppl like u, felt real (like he really thought u were town, and was giving points). But with Vivax, he just commented on some stuff about meta. Just something to keep in mind; if Vivax parity check was on BM; I would just lynch him. If only someone had checked Vivax. Like everyone said to. Hmmmmmmm? | ||
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Sn0_Man
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Mocsta
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I can only role check. and he was so confident to immediately say parity cop... i saw no reason to validate that. All the other cops tried to be more reserved, and just say cop. If anything that makes vivax look worse though. Point is.. im sure my check would come back parity, so what then? | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 14 2013 03:01 Mocsta wrote: I dont see the point. I can only role check. and he was so confident to immediately say parity cop... i saw no reason to validate that. All the other cops tried to be more reserved, and just say cop. If anything that makes vivax look worse though. Point is.. im sure my check would come back parity, so what then? Scum won't pick parity cop. It serves them absolutely no purpose. If he returns Parity Cop, that's as good as an alignment check. | ||
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Keirathi
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Restraining Order
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Mocsta
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and scum wont hard bus day 1 This game; almost anything goes. The only person I am truly certain of is myself, Restraining Order, Shevlocke, Sinani and perhaps Oats. I know you are slippery as scum; and your day1 was questionable.. but i have to put trust in you trying to figure out this game being town; and remove that WIFOM out of the equation. That leaves; yam/SnB/Vivax. I see no reason to not have the vote rigger enable double lynch; and start getting rid of the drift wood, and expedite this game to completion. Anyways, really super tired, so def going to bed now. peace Out, will be out most of the day tomorrow. | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 14 2013 03:43 Restraining Order wrote: FWIW, the same argument was used on the justice vig pick. And see how that turned out.. True. I didn't really think about that. But my problem is...how do you turn parity cop into a scum-friendly role at all? Make it a role cop? I guess that's possible, but it seems to completely change the role, rather than just changing some minor mechanics. I guess its possible, though. A caveat is that both of the scum who have had role-based bonuses, their role name has changed. | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 14 2013 03:44 Mocsta wrote: That leaves; yam/SnB/Vivax. S&B has green+VT check on yam. Whether S&B is town or scum, the check is valid. And a VT can't get any "bonuses" afaik. Which means yam is almost certainly green. | ||
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Mocsta
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On April 14 2013 03:49 Keirathi wrote: S&B has green+VT check on yam. Whether S&B is town or scum, the check is valid. And a VT can't get any "bonuses" afaik. Which means yam is almost certainly green. Ahh ok. I can live with that That leaves Vivax really kk ##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax | ||
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Restraining Order
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On April 14 2013 03:47 Keirathi wrote: True. I didn't really think about that. But my problem is...how do you turn parity cop into a scum-friendly role at all? Make it a role cop? I guess that's possible, but it seems to completely change the role, rather than just changing some minor mechanics. I guess its possible, though. A caveat is that both of the scum who have had role-based bonuses, their role name has changed. Not sure, tbh. I don't see a way without completely changing how the role works. Like, not just an add-on like assassin had, or a flip-around like JV. More of an actual change in the core mechanics. It's a shame the flips are so minimalistic in this game, it would have been interesting to see how other roles change. | ||
yamato77
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On April 14 2013 03:51 Mocsta wrote: Ahh ok. I can live with that That leaves Vivax really kk ##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax Finally Mocsta catches up to the rest of the thread. | ||
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Scum almost certainly only have 1 KP left.
