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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 16 2013 15:32 GMT
#1201
Watch your tongue. Do not dare to presume to know what behaviour it is. You have neither the moral character nor the judgement to make such pronouncements, although perhaps you think you do. You are sorely mistaken.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 16 2013 15:36 GMT
#1202
yawn
A backwards poet writes inverse.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
February 16 2013 15:55 GMT
#1203
Who is your top town read Marv
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 16 2013 15:57 GMT
#1204
On February 17 2013 00:55 iamperfection wrote:
Who is your top town read Marv


This is not important for me to reveal currently. Certainly not to one so rabidly against me. I wish to remove gonzaw, and pending further discourse, kita. This is the important information that you need.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 16 2013 16:18 GMT
#1205
Oh shoot I have been stuck in one mold and something slipped my mind

I'm totally running for this mayor election business.

I dun really know what it does, but I'm guaranteed to be town, so vote me. Yo.

This convinced me so much, I'mma vote myself even.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
February 16 2013 16:41 GMT
#1206
On February 17 2013 00:57 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 00:55 iamperfection wrote:
Who is your top town read Marv


This is not important for me to reveal currently. Certainly not to one so rabidly against me. I wish to remove gonzaw, and pending further discourse, kita. This is the important information that you need.

Since your not getting elected who would you like to see elected
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 16 2013 16:55 GMT
#1207
I am confident that the good people of this establishment will see fit to elect me, therefore there is no need to answer this particular question.

If at a future time it appears somehow I will not be elected, I will be abundantly clear if I believe a gentleman to be a poor candidate.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 16 2013 18:07 GMT
#1208
So I just went back through everyone's filters. The thing that frustrates me the most is that I've been waiting and waiting for certain players to post and share their opinions, but it just hasn't come. If you would ask me to point out a single thing that someone like Mr. Cheesecake has done, positive or negative, I wouldn't be able to. How are we supposed to come up with a good lynch if nobody is putting in the effort to try. Dandel was right in saying that there isn't a single other player that I would be confident in trusting and calling town. We all share the blame on that, but its even worse if no one tries to improve things.

Not a single person has tried to look back at the day one lynch, so I figured that would be a good place to start. More importantly, I'm looking at players at decided to swap to oats without expressing suspicion of him. Lynching just for the sake of lynching is definitely a mafia trait. At the same time, I'm also looking at the players that stuck on an player that had no chance of getting lynched at the end of the day in a majority format. By not voting for one of the main candidates, they placed a meaningless vote.

Dandel Ion, Sylencia, Crossfire99, kitaman27, gonzaw and jcarlsoniv were on the oats wagon.
Marvellosity and iamperfection were on hassy.
Mr. Cheesecake was a single vote on Crossfire99
Stutters695 was a single vote on iamperfection
Hassy voted for no one.

I'll start with the stragglers:

With the stutters vote, he never provides a reason for iamperfection, besides the fact that he is trying to consolidate. He lists two others players as a preferred lynch, but puts little effort into pushing them. He doesn't really share one way or another what his view is on oats. He was away for most of day one, but I find the way he approached the lynch scummy.

Mr. Cheesecake votes Crossfire99 as a self proclaimed sheep vote and hasn't returned in four days. Don't really have much to say about him alignment wise.

Marv starts the hassy bandwagon, but I'm not seeing the same things that he was seeing. To me, hassy is completely null. Lynching a lurker is fine if there isn't a strong alternative, but like I explained earlier, I think Sylencia would have been a much better scummy lurker lynch. Marv didn't seem very interested in day one, which earns him scum points.

iamperfection doesn't really provide a huge case about hassy, but at least he shows to care about the lynch. There are numerous occasions where he tries to convince others to join his bandwagon. Even though iamperfection was one of the main alternatives to the oats mislynch, I'm leaning town on him based on his interest in day one.

Now onto the oats lynch. As with most majority lynches, things swung real fast. I'll take a look at the votes in order:

Dandel Ion is a player who moved his vote around to several players throughout the day, which earns him town points. Generally a mafia player likes to stick to a single player and cause the least amount of trouble. Dandel tries to generate pressure on several players and is fairly open with his opinions.

Sylencia had his vote on me the entire cycle explaining it wasn't a "serious vote". At the end of the cycle, he moves his vote over to oats explaining that the case on oats is more "compelling" without actually pointing out anything from the case that he agrees with. Notice how he is more focused on finding a player to vote, than finding evidence that a player is scummy. He jumps on the oats wagon without even referencing him at another point and decides to rely on other players to do the scumhunting. Sylencia is still the player that I am most confident will flip scum.

Crossfire99 is another one of the players that jumped on the oats wagon without referencing him earlier in the day, which also earns him scum points. He votes for oats simply to consolidate the lynch, without explaining why he thought oats was a scummy player.

Kitaman27 - That's me.

gonzaw starts off defending oats from BH. After stating that hassy is his preferred lynch, he swaps over to oats at the end. He does appear to look back at one of oat's games to compare his play to this game, which earns him town points, but he wasn't on hassy very long before deciding to swap over to oats, which shows he didn't have much resolve.

jcarlsoniv is really awesome. Though he also might be scum, which would break my heart. In his defense of allowing BH to be lynched through the oats ability, he brings up the fact that he thought BH was starting a panic lynch, which would result in a town mislynch. The part that troubles me though, is that he had no problem joining this panic lynch.

On February 15 2013 08:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:
So...oats? Ok


With this post, it seems like he is letting the town decide who to lynch, rather than push the player he thinks is most likely to be scum. The biggest thing to consider with soniv is whether or not as scum he would want to spotlight of killing off BH. Blazinghand had a pretty awesome role, but a 1:1 trade with him wouldn't be worth it.

I'll post more about players actually filters later, rather than just the events surrounding the actual lynch. I have a wedding to go to today so I might not be able to post again until tonight (And this post took far longer than I was hoping -_-)
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 16 2013 18:10 GMT
#1209
On February 17 2013 00:21 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 00:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
I quite like my wisdom.
You seem to like it too. Unless of course, it were concerning you.

That you possess the arrogance to even think you may be elected after the play you displayed in this game should make you sad. At least as sad as it makes me.

This one also does apply to kitaman btw.


This isn't arrogance, its the fact that I want to do whatever I can to ensure the election ends up in town hands. Sure I made a mistake with kurumi, but compounding that error by giving up and letting the roles end up in scum hands isn't going to help us.

Who else is a better candidate than me? A single player in this game hasn't flipped a scum player yet so we're all on equal footing. At least I'm trying to get things moving.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 16 2013 18:17 GMT
#1210
On February 17 2013 03:10 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 00:21 Dandel Ion wrote:
On February 17 2013 00:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
I quite like my wisdom.
You seem to like it too. Unless of course, it were concerning you.

That you possess the arrogance to even think you may be elected after the play you displayed in this game should make you sad. At least as sad as it makes me.

This one also does apply to kitaman btw.


This isn't arrogance, its the fact that I want to do whatever I can to ensure the election ends up in town hands. Sure I made a mistake with kurumi, but compounding that error by giving up and letting the roles end up in scum hands isn't going to help us.

Who else is a better candidate than me? A single player in this game hasn't flipped a scum player yet so we're all on equal footing. At least I'm trying to get things moving.

Moving where?

I see you tunneling sylencia for days, and not doing much else of anything.

Except - oh yes. Trying to get elected now.

hrmmmmmmm
A backwards poet writes inverse.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 16 2013 18:19 GMT
#1211
The gentleman made a 'mistake' by 'accidentally' killing gentleman Kurumi, who wished to eject the same gentleman.

Naturally the same gentleman, who was perhaps a tenth as bothered with the discourse as I, gives me points of evil for not being bothered. Gentleman Austin was right about this one.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 16 2013 18:20 GMT
#1212
But at least you gave us a list post. Already more effort than most people here!

So, you down for lynching gonzaw?
A backwards poet writes inverse.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 16 2013 18:27 GMT
#1213
On February 17 2013 03:17 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 03:10 kitaman27 wrote:
On February 17 2013 00:21 Dandel Ion wrote:
On February 17 2013 00:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
I quite like my wisdom.
You seem to like it too. Unless of course, it were concerning you.

That you possess the arrogance to even think you may be elected after the play you displayed in this game should make you sad. At least as sad as it makes me.

This one also does apply to kitaman btw.


This isn't arrogance, its the fact that I want to do whatever I can to ensure the election ends up in town hands. Sure I made a mistake with kurumi, but compounding that error by giving up and letting the roles end up in scum hands isn't going to help us.

Who else is a better candidate than me? A single player in this game hasn't flipped a scum player yet so we're all on equal footing. At least I'm trying to get things moving.

Moving where?


That one post was more than the combined efforts of 3-4 of the remaining players. No comments on anything?

On February 17 2013 03:17 Dandel Ion wrote:
I see you tunneling sylencia for days, and not doing much else of anything.


So do you have a town read on sylencia? I'm having trouble coming up with a scenario where he's not scum, unless we were hit with a game where half the scum team is afk.

On February 17 2013 03:19 marvellosity wrote:
The gentleman made a 'mistake' by 'accidentally' killing gentleman Kurumi, who wished to eject the same gentleman.

Naturally the same gentleman, who was perhaps a tenth as bothered with the discourse as I, gives me points of evil for not being bothered. Gentleman Austin was right about this one.


hey marv, you don't have a post restriction. Its self imposed....so you're allowed to stop. Maybe you could spend less time coming up with nonsense and more time pressuring players.

On February 17 2013 03:20 Dandel Ion wrote:
So, you down for lynching gonzaw?


I'd say he is in my top 6 scum candidates right now, so yes. sylencia is my preferred candidate and I'd like a chance to reread crossfire and jcarlsoniv before I decide. I'm also interested in seeing who gonzaw decides to push today/how much effort he puts in. From my experience, a lazy gonzaw is usually a scum gonzaw.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 16 2013 18:29 GMT
#1214
On February 17 2013 03:27 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 03:17 Dandel Ion wrote:
I see you tunneling sylencia for days, and not doing much else of anything.


So do you have a town read on sylencia? I'm having trouble coming up with a scenario where he's not scum, unless we were hit with a game where half the scum team is afk.


While we're at it, does anyone actually have a town read on sylencia? I'm having an awful difficult time pushing his lynch for a player that nobody actually views as pro-town.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 16 2013 18:34 GMT
#1215
On February 17 2013 03:27 kitaman27 wrote:
So do you have a town read on sylencia? I'm having trouble coming up with a scenario where he's not scum, unless we were hit with a game where half the scum team is afk.

No. But I don't have a scum read on him either.

I think it's a pretty fair assumption that 2 scums or so are perma-afk. How to differentiate them, no idea. they don't post after all.

If the steps of the dance align, things may happen. (?)
But no reason to waste a lynch on them, when I could lynch an actual scumread instead.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
February 16 2013 18:34 GMT
#1216
I could get behind a sylencia lynch
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 16 2013 18:35 GMT
#1217
Also, I want my role creator to claim. Right now.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
February 16 2013 19:21 GMT
#1218
It's my Girlfriend's birthday today so I'll be pretty inactive until tomorrow unless work is slow. Kita why is Gonz in your top six? I'm assuming since you said six specifically he's either tied for the bottom of that list or he is sixth. If that's the case why would you be ok with your sixth best choice if syl doesn't get lynched rather than push for someone in between? I need to check Syls filter, so other than him who would you.choose as your number two lynch?
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 16 2013 19:26 GMT
#1219
Oh you're going to be pretty inactive?
A shocking discovery!
A backwards poet writes inverse.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 16 2013 19:34 GMT
#1220
On February 17 2013 04:21 Stutters695 wrote:
It's my Girlfriend's birthday today so I'll be pretty inactive until tomorrow unless work is slow. Kita why is Gonz in your top six? I'm assuming since you said six specifically he's either tied for the bottom of that list or he is sixth. If that's the case why would you be ok with your sixth best choice if syl doesn't get lynched rather than push for someone in between? I need to check Syls filter, so other than him who would you.choose as your number two lynch?


I see no reason not to pressure him. There are four scum players remaining and possible a third party, so top six is pretty likely to hit. I'd say he is probably around four-five right now. Like I said earlier, I'll go through the list of players when I get back from a wedding. Since you said you will be going through syls filter, that means you will be returning today to comment on him, correct? I could understand that you weren't completely active on day one, but now day two is almost half way over and you've still yet to comment on someone. You need to spend less time asking others their opinions and more time sharing your own.

On February 17 2013 03:34 iamperfection wrote:
I could get behind a sylencia lynch


gogo vote.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
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