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Well ummm... I'm back.
Nice game of mafia we have going here 
For those who were curious, I voted when the vote was 1-1 SkaPunk and AFKing. I had noticed that Abenson was in fact glurio, and that he had at least made a post worth more than the other 2, so I had narrowed down my vote to those two at this point. I gave my reason for SkaPunk over AFKing, and while obviously SkaPunk flipped town, I'm with Cora on this lynch: we had no chance of hitting scum beyond a pure shot in the dark.
I'd like to say that Cora's overt comments about 3 scum seem pretty dirty. The setup explicitly says that there are always 2 mafia, and Cora's last game (NMM XXXIV) was another 9 person 2-scum setup much like this one. Cora also co-hosted NMM 35 so he should understand the setup better than that. It sounds a lot to me like "Oh I can't possibly be scum, scum would know how many scum there are". Of course, I may be giving him too much credit, that plan actually sounds pretty hard to come up with on your own, but I suppose scum have a QT for ideas like that.
I'll re-read what little there is to read analytically and make more posts tonight I guess.
The game is going to be pretty awkward with the amount of lurking/not contributing going on right now though.
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Sn0 you can chalk it up to me not looking at the link to the set-up. Once the game starts, I don't look at the pregame posts too much. I made another mistake of not reading when I said Mocsta was a replacement when he actually isn't. I'm asking you to call it a mistake based off of ignorance, nothing more.
I would like to see a last will from Sn0, WB, Acid, and whoever else feels like they need to make one. I'm going to be very busy today, but I'll post some thoughts closer to the deadline.
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That's a good point about the setup Sn0. I didn't catch this when I was discussing it with Cora. Thank you for pointing it out.
I'm not sure what I could say in a last will that wouldn't just be repeating myself. If I am night killed, you should look at the two people I've had any serious debate with. But that should be obvious, right?
I'd like to see contributions from Slayalot and Zarepath as well. They both made a few good posts D1. I'm especially looking forward to Zarepath stepping it up, since he should now be free from his IRL obligations.
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On January 29 2013 00:49 cDgCorazon wrote:
Sn0 you can chalk it up to me not looking at the link to the set-up. Once the game starts, I don't look at the pregame posts too much. I made another mistake of not reading when I said Mocsta was a replacement when he actually isn't. I'm asking you to call it a mistake based off of ignorance, nothing more.
I just gave a bunch of reasons why I don't think that ignorance is a real excuse for that particular mistake. That being said, it is obviously POSSIBLE for you to be ignorant, I just find it unlikely that YOU of all people would actually make a setup mistake that basic.
@Town: I'd like to hear thoughts on this. He already played a 2scum9player setup just like this one (his last game), and he co-hosted a game. Plus I gather he has a history of being very well informed/inquisitive regarding setup etc.
On January 29 2013 00:49 cDgCorazon wrote:
I would like to see a last will from Sn0, WB, Acid, and whoever else feels like they need to make one. I'm going to be very busy today, but I'll post some thoughts closer to the deadline.
I'll be dropping something akin to a last will near the night deadline, and while I encourage the others to as well, I find it somewhat hard to believe that somebody not named Sn0_Man, cDgCorazon or Warbaby might get NK'd. Take that for what you will.
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The two games you were referring to were games in which I co-hosted and died N1. That doesn't imply that I was paying attention to the game. Sn0 if you want to make a case that I am scum, you're gonna need to find more than me being ignorant and miscounting the number of mafia. There's way too much WIFOM in your accusations to merit anything.
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I dunno Sn0, if scum is in such a great position as Cora seems to think, they could kill one of the less active towns and still be completely dominating.
I think the more interesting point will be who doesn't get NK'd out of that list. I simply cannot believe both of the scum are lurkers.
On January 28 2013 23:45 cDgCorazon wrote:This is sad, and it makes me believe that a majority of the 6 semi-active people in this game are scum.
That kind of defeatist attitude doesn't help town one bit.
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That wasn't defeatist, that was me being pissed off that you guys wasted half of the night and didn't post anything. Of course now that I know there are only 2 mafia, there can't be a majority.
Anyways, my little pep talk has gotten some response out of you guys. So well done.
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On January 27 2013 05:52 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 04:17 Slayalot wrote:
I'm not saying that makes you a scum, but I don't think it's wise to make people afraid to post.
I don't think Warbaby has done that. It take a lot of work to create an environment where people are afraid to post. Attacking one person does not create such an environment. What happened with Acid is just friendly sparring on D1.
On January 27 2013 15:03 cDgCorazon wrote:
Btw, I'm also noting how you guys haven't payed attention to anyone else's posts and are only focusing on your little "who has a larger penis" competition.
On January 28 2013 11:18 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 10:59 warbaby wrote:
I pressured him because I felt that he was trying to discourage scumhunting (with the statement that scumhunting D1 is "rich"). I'm a little disappointed nobody else commented on this. I don't think he's addressed all of my concerns, but he does at least claim to not be discouraging scumhunting, and backed off trying to frame me as Mocsta in XXXV (for now at least).
I wouldn't have a problem with you pressuring him, but the fact that he (Acid~) disagreed with you and then you just went berserk on him over that one point.
Corazon has shifted dramatically from calling the Warbaby/acid interaction "friendly sparring" to a "who has a larger penis competition" and "you just went berserk on him." Inconsistency in his opinions.
His others posts are pretty fluffy. First game post is about avoiding confirmation bias and how we should use FoS instead of voting if we're just trying to pressure someone (unsure why), telling us not to rely too much on old metas, more on metas, condemning the 3 lurkers, voting for the only lurker nobody else has voted for, Mocsta as a potential replacement, the 1/3 chance of getting someone via LAL (which he later refers to as us having had ZERO chance; another inconsistency), talking about warbaby's pressure on acid, which he condemns but also talks about how defensive acid was...
I don't know, I don't see clear direction in his analysis/play. Acid's meta, in my experience, has been a little abrasive, and Cora knows that because he modded that game I played with Acid. I find it odd for him to call Acid out on being emotional during N1 when during D1 he ignored it as friendly sparring.
His reason for voting for SkaPunk doesn't seem very good:
On January 28 2013 09:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
A scum would be more likely to post and then take advantage of 2 other people not posting to fly under the radar than they would be to not post anything at all.
Wouldn't scum more likely take advantage of that scenario by just posting MORE? If he can distance himself more than just a single post, especially with people beginning to vote on him, he would have done it, I think. Not necessarily scummy, but bad logic.
We have a lot of inactive players who need to be pressured and need to contribute, but in such an inactive thread, the person who seems scummiest to me right now is Corazon.
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Sno, I don't know that being wrong about the setup numbers is necessarily a scum read. Spag did crap like that all the time in XXXIV, and he was cop.
More scummy, to me, is his hypothetical replacement talk with all these Q's to the mods he could've found out easily from reading the OP. It read a lot as angsty fluff to me.
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That was an awesome post Zare. I will review the thread with what you've said in mind.
On January 29 2013 00:30 Sn0_Man wrote:I had noticed that Abenson was in fact glurio
How could you possibly have known this? Before stutter's PSA, there was not a single post in the entire thread indicating that abenson was glurio. Did someone tell you in the scum QT?
And if you did know this as you claim, why the fuck didn't you point it out as soon as Corazon voted for abenson? Ambiguity like this is only going to hurt town, if you're town you should be trying to clear stuff like this up, ASAP. Not pulling it out 12 hours later like it's evidence in a case.
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On January 29 2013 01:42 warbaby wrote:That was an awesome post Zare. I will review the thread with what you've said in mind. Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 00:30 Sn0_Man wrote:I had noticed that Abenson was in fact glurio How could you possibly have known this? Before stutter's PSA, there was not a single post in the entire thread indicating that abenson was glurio. Did someone tell you in the scum QT? And if you did know this as you claim, why the fuck didn't you point it out as soon as Corazon voted for abenson? Ambiguity like this is only going to hurt town, if you're town you should be trying to clear stuff like this up, ASAP. Not pulling it out 12 hours later like it's evidence in a case.
A) you know full well I was away when Cora posted his vote.
B) I wasn't using it as evidence in a case I was merely explaining my vote in detail
C) I knew abenson was out for glurio because I was looking through the filter list for glurio and couldn't find him. Admittedly this was a logical fallacy because it could have been AFKing who glurio replaced, and I would have been none the wiser, but I assumed it was abenson because his was the last name on the list and I hadn't seen him post. Either way, I had him discounted as glurio.
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On January 29 2013 01:42 warbaby wrote:That was an awesome post Zare. I will review the thread with what you've said in mind. Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 00:30 Sn0_Man wrote:I had noticed that Abenson was in fact glurio How could you possibly have known this? Before stutter's PSA, there was not a single post in the entire thread indicating that abenson was glurio. Did someone tell you in the scum QT? And if you did know this as you claim, why the fuck didn't you point it out as soon as Corazon voted for abenson? Ambiguity like this is only going to hurt town, if you're town you should be trying to clear stuff like this up, ASAP. Not pulling it out 12 hours later like it's evidence in a case.
Do you even read the thread before making baseless accusations?
He was gone before cora voted for abenson.
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To expound, my vote post clearly indicates that I have abenson tagged as glurio. It doesn't make any sense any other way.
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Sorry, you're right. I'll go re-read the thread now.
However, even given your point, I do not think my accusation are baseless at all. I'd still love to know how sn0man knew abenson was glurio. And why he didn't bring this up in the thread before he left.
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On January 29 2013 01:53 Sn0_Man wrote:C) I knew abenson was out for glurio because I was looking through the filter list for glurio and couldn't find him. Admittedly this was a logical fallacy because it could have been AFKing who glurio replaced, and I would have been none the wiser, but I assumed it was abenson because his was the last name on the list and I hadn't seen him post. Either way, I had him discounted as glurio.
OK, that answers one of my questions, although as you admit your answer has a logical fallacy.
I'd still like to know why you didn't bring this point up in the thread. Corazon posted mentioning abenson being a lurker multiple times. Right after your vote for SkaPunk, before you left, I mentioned abenson. If you were town, shouldn't you have corrected us on this? Why did you just sit on the information, instead?
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On January 29 2013 02:03 warbaby wrote:Right after your vote for SkaPunk, before you left, I mentioned abenson.
I pressed Post, then I pressed Shut Down. I was unaware that I needed to explain to you that glurio was part of the game.
@Glurio: Care to post some analysis? in 9-person games (with now 8 living people of which not all have posted) voting summaries are somewhat self-evident, and in any game they don't really earn you townie points. Your last game you didn't get much chance to play, so I'd like to get a feel for your game. What do you think of Slayalot (his filter should be pretty easy to go through), and which parts of Zarepath's analysis of Cora strike you as best/worst?
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I'd like to have some thoughts from acid and slayalot on the situation.
And i still want to highlight warbabys vote switching to afking instead of skapunk, isn't it basically the same thing with coras voting for the only lurker who nobody so far voted for zarepath? His reason is he wanted to draw an reaction, since it didn't work with skapunk.
He wanted to draw an reaction from someone who never posted in the thread, probably forgot about the game as soon as he registered himself for it. So now that he's sure skapunk dies he can make an easy switch. Well shame for him abenson wasn't in the game. Why not vote for Skapunk again few minutes before the lynch? The chance of drawing an reaction in that time span is really non-existant.
I just want everyones opinion on this.
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I think that's a valid point. If Sno knew abenson as glurio, there was absolutely no town motivation for letting everyone else believe that he was one of the three lurkers (which at least Corazon had pointed him out as a lurker earlier on).
HOWEVER, in his vote post, he only describes the other two lurkers as lurkers, so it's easy to see how he'd already calculated Abenson out, I suppose.
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On January 29 2013 01:32 zarepath wrote:
Corazon has shifted dramatically from calling the Warbaby/acid interaction "friendly sparring" to a "who has a larger penis competition" and "you just went berserk on him." Inconsistency in his opinions.
I believe the penis comment was about my interaction with Sn0man, not Acid~.
I don't know, I don't see clear direction in his analysis/play. Acid's meta, in my experience, has been a little abrasive, and Cora knows that because he modded that game I played with Acid. I find it odd for him to call Acid out on being emotional during N1 when during D1 he ignored it as friendly sparring.
Did he actually call Acid~ out? I think he just confirmed that Acid~'s third post was more consistent with his previous town meta.
His reason for voting for SkaPunk doesn't seem very good: Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 09:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
A scum would be more likely to post and then take advantage of 2 other people not posting to fly under the radar than they would be to not post anything at all.
Wouldn't scum more likely take advantage of that scenario by just posting MORE? If he can distance himself more than just a single post, especially with people beginning to vote on him, he would have done it, I think. Not necessarily scummy, but bad logic. We have a lot of inactive players who need to be pressured and need to contribute, but in such an inactive thread, the person who seems scummiest to me right now is Corazon.
His reasoning on the vote is a bit weak, but it's a D1 vote in a game with 3 lurkers.
I'm not sure I agree with your conclusion, just because I think you got mixed up about his interactions with Acid~. However, you are not the only one looking at Corazon critically, right now. If you and Sn0 want to pursue Corazon more, I'll certainly keep an open mind.
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@glurio: I suppose there is a certain gesture to making sure that there's a vote on all three of the lurkers, so Cora voting for abenson instead of one of the other two lurkers doesn't seem particularly scummy.
But now that I re-read your question, you're actually asking me about warbaby. Now that I look at it, his vote-switching was REALLY odd. He started the wagon on Skapunk, then ditched it for Abenson, and when he realized Abenson wasn't a real vote, he switched to AFKing. Now that Skapunk's flipped town, his vote-switching could be seen as scum motivated to avoid credit for the mislynch.
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