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On February 04 2013 16:12 thrawn2112 wrote:
to state the obvious.....
now's the time to go click on the link for the newbie xxxvii thread, type "/in," activate the "post" button, thereby volunteering to play in the next iteration of this fine tradition of games where players of 3 or fewer total games of similar requirements can all play free of the trying and perhaps(?) unhelpful infusion of players of immense experience and/or astounding mental prowess.
I second this, for not only would I like said game to begin shortly, it will also help me as a newbie to have players in previous games to draw on when performing analysis.
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Sarp N00bs. Here are the 4 golden rules to sealing victory for town !
First rule of newbie club: You are not Mocsta
Second rule of newbie club: Don't talk about Mocsta
Second last rule of of newbie club Don't try to copy Mocsta
Final rule of of newbie club: Don't talk/copy/act like Mocsta
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On February 05 2013 09:34 Mocsta wrote:
Final rule of of newbie club: Don't talk/copy/act like Mocsta
No seriously, don't do that!
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Well; maybe they should. i did talk to my coaches at least!!
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While I think cakepie really nailed it with the I'm a Little Teapot vid, this gif I just ran into on reddit pretty much sums up how I feel about xxxvi (especially the fistpump at the end)
And guys, really. I did not copy Mocsta. Just because Mocsta and I are similar (in that we're both more awesome than you) does not mean I copied him T_T
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I must say, that Little TeaPot joke went right over my head. I still dont get the joke unfortunately 
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On February 05 2013 17:16 Mocsta wrote:I must say, that Little TeaPot joke went right over my head. I still dont get the joke unfortunately
cakepie's response to corazon's crumb. I think the vid applies fairly well to the whole thread in general, though.
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Got it haha. That is funny.
Dont forget to check out jiexian in normal mini mafia 4 and the krueger effect.
That was good too
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Is there a how to breadcrumb guide somewhere? Particularly in newbie games it could be helpful.
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Cakepie linked to a really good example, somewhere in this thread.
Crumbing seems like a pretty advanced technique for a newbie game IMO. Even if you pull it off the other newbies might lynch you for witchcraft.
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My first newbie my coach gave me some techniques but i thought they were hard. Essentially the same as cakepie said.
For what i think is good crumb. Check out newbie 33 end game. Chromatically vs cdgcorazon. Both claim rb. Croma breadceumbs were good
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On February 05 2013 05:25 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 19:16 Slayalot wrote:On January 26 2013 11:16 warbaby wrote:I'd like to get this flawless town victory started by suggesting some ideas to promote a healthy town atmosphere: - No lurking! Personally I'm not yet decided on Lynch All Lurkers, but it sounds like a decent idea.
- Post succinctly. Don't ramble about your personal life. Don't post a stream of consciousness... coalesce your ideas before you post.
- Don't be needlessly aggressive. Pressuring scum to get information is great, being a jerk for no reason is not.
I'm not sure what to write in these games yet. But as a few people have also said. The above "guidelines" from warbaby is a really good idea. Lurkers will most likely get my vote. And furthermore I think that writing nonsense to fill up the chat (really mean online trick btw) is just as bad as lurking, and I will be watching out for that aswell. I'd like to dissect this post for you guys. You should have been able to call Slay out as scum as soon as you saw it. Or perhaps you should not have been able to but in the future you should be able to do so. first off we have which is a scummy thing to say. Townies do not excuse themselves from their posting, they do not try to develop a reason for their posts to be lacking. Townies simply post. A scum thinks 'I have no idea what to say' early day one because the scum agenda is hard to push when there is no direct reason to do so, it is early day one and town is doing scum's work for them. this Show nested quote +as a few people have also said. The above "guidelines" from warbaby is a really good idea is pure sheep and while a sheep can be townie this player is trying to look townie. Not be townie. An image is an important thing for scum while it doesn't (usually) occur that a townie tries to protect his townieness early day one. Next is this gem where Slay tries to justify a vote before he makes it. He is trying to dodge the responsibility of voting a townie and hasn't even voted yet. Additionally look who he is placing his vote on, is it someone scummy? Someone he thinks is scum? no, simply a lurker. The last part of the post Show nested quote +And furthermore I think that writing nonsense to fill up the chat (really mean online trick btw) is just as bad as lurking, and I will be watching out for that as well[sic] is an attempt to gain town cred, he is posting useless advice which you have no need for. You either know it already or will never know it. This fluff in his own post is exactly what he is talking about as deserving a vote (though not because it is scummy). So in reading Slay's first post you should have seen his scumminess, he was a newb scum and he showed you that in the above post. I hope this helps, I'm in the middle of nodding off during class so it may not be the most cognizant.
Reading this post made me think of that south park episode where they all loved the smell of their own farts.
The fact that you're all discussing the funny moments and the good plays in this game (after it ended) is cool with me.
In the above-post I was playing the insecure - first timer - newbie townie guy.
And in a newbie game, with like 3 or 4 total posts in my teamliquid account life time, this is a viable option.
(Also this was a newbie game, with what I believed at the time, was 8 other newbies.)
As it was my first post, I waited several minutes before clicking post, and in that timeframe I asked myself several times if I would have posted the same as town. And the anwser was yes.
You can call that a terrible start as a town... I don't care. I didn't get any raised eyebrows after that post, meaning it was credible at the time, in this game.
So when you think you can extract 4 clear mafia signs in my first post.. I'm gonna throw the bullshit card.
Everything looks clear with 20/20 hindsight.
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What slayalot said
Everything is also pretty clear when you know the flips before reading the posts >_>.
Of course, it certainly is helpful to hear more experienced analysis, but I do think it's important to point out that first-timers get some leeway on the "my post is fluff" scale.
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It might not be enough to just lynch you for on the spot but Prom is 100% right. As a newbie you can probably get away with it more but showing up, repeating points without anything to add and then bouncing for hours is worth calling out and inherently scummy.
What stood out to me about him being scum though is related to that post. First after agreeing about no lurking he posts like once a day (although this isn't a sure tell because that happens with people who have never played before and don't realize the time investment.might get overwhelmed).
He said he didn't want to see people spam up the thread, but look at his filter.
His fifth post he calls out Warbaby for attacking acid in a bad way, but says it doesn't make him scum.
Sixth post he says he's less suspicious of warbaby.
Notice he still isn't committing to any reads. This should be a giant red flag. Most importantly though, go check his vote on SkaPunk. Why is he so focused on justifying his vote? Especially re-emphasizing that if Ska clears his name he won't be able to change his vote. Ask yourself what reasons at all are there for a town slay to think Ska would clear his name and why he'd be so concerned with how his vote looks when the town is killing a lurker.
You always want yo look for the motivation rather than just finding something that sounds scummy.
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On February 06 2013 01:57 Slayalot wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 05:25 Promethelax wrote:On January 26 2013 19:16 Slayalot wrote:On January 26 2013 11:16 warbaby wrote:I'd like to get this flawless town victory started by suggesting some ideas to promote a healthy town atmosphere: - No lurking! Personally I'm not yet decided on Lynch All Lurkers, but it sounds like a decent idea.
- Post succinctly. Don't ramble about your personal life. Don't post a stream of consciousness... coalesce your ideas before you post.
- Don't be needlessly aggressive. Pressuring scum to get information is great, being a jerk for no reason is not.
I'm not sure what to write in these games yet. But as a few people have also said. The above "guidelines" from warbaby is a really good idea. Lurkers will most likely get my vote. And furthermore I think that writing nonsense to fill up the chat (really mean online trick btw) is just as bad as lurking, and I will be watching out for that aswell. I'd like to dissect this post for you guys. You should have been able to call Slay out as scum as soon as you saw it. Or perhaps you should not have been able to but in the future you should be able to do so. first off we have I'm not sure what to write in these games yet which is a scummy thing to say. Townies do not excuse themselves from their posting, they do not try to develop a reason for their posts to be lacking. Townies simply post. A scum thinks 'I have no idea what to say' early day one because the scum agenda is hard to push when there is no direct reason to do so, it is early day one and town is doing scum's work for them. this as a few people have also said. The above "guidelines" from warbaby is a really good idea is pure sheep and while a sheep can be townie this player is trying to look townie. Not be townie. An image is an important thing for scum while it doesn't (usually) occur that a townie tries to protect his townieness early day one. Next is this gem Lurkers will most likely get my vote. where Slay tries to justify a vote before he makes it. He is trying to dodge the responsibility of voting a townie and hasn't even voted yet. Additionally look who he is placing his vote on, is it someone scummy? Someone he thinks is scum? no, simply a lurker. The last part of the post And furthermore I think that writing nonsense to fill up the chat (really mean online trick btw) is just as bad as lurking, and I will be watching out for that as well[sic] is an attempt to gain town cred, he is posting useless advice which you have no need for. You either know it already or will never know it. This fluff in his own post is exactly what he is talking about as deserving a vote (though not because it is scummy). So in reading Slay's first post you should have seen his scumminess, he was a newb scum and he showed you that in the above post. I hope this helps, I'm in the middle of nodding off during class so it may not be the most cognizant. Reading this post made me think of that south park episode where they all loved the smell of their own farts. The fact that you're all discussing the funny moments and the good plays in this game (after it ended) is cool with me. In the above-post I was playing the insecure - first timer - newbie townie guy. And in a newbie game, with like 3 or 4 total posts in my teamliquid account life time, this is a viable option. (Also this was a newbie game, with what I believed at the time, was 8 other newbies.) As it was my first post, I waited several minutes before clicking post, and in that timeframe I asked myself several times if I would have posted the same as town. And the anwser was yes. You can call that a terrible start as a town... I don't care. I didn't get any raised eyebrows after that post, meaning it was credible at the time, in this game. So when you think you can extract 4 clear mafia signs in my first post.. I'm gonna throw the bullshit card.
Everything looks clear with 20/20 hindsight.
I'm sorry man, you are wrong. I had looked in the scum qt earlier and seen that no one had posted in it (you guys posting in it is the only way for me to know who my scummers are) and I saw your post in the thread and went directly to the qt knowing you were scum and knowing you'd need help. I'm not saying a newbie could have picked it up but after you've played as long as I have you would read that post and know that you, slay, were scum.
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yeah they are, before even looking at scum qt I caught one on his first post. This is a very newbie game but I think people should be able to learn from it pretty well. There are clear scum tells to discuss and obvious ways to improve green play and blue play.
If scum win this it will be pretty shameful for town though. They both outed themselves day one.
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Also slat is saying he would post that as town... This was his first game. He was scum.
I dont think he truly underdtands what he would post as purely town
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P.s. Slay im a weak player knowing for bad reads. And i didnt read the game properly. After night1 in obs qt i said glurio and you/cakepie were scum. Cake was included as he hadnt posted yet.
If i can pick u out ur doing something wrong. Promes points are a good start for improvement
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