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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
January 27 2013 23:11 GMT
#161
Vote count!

AFKing (1) Zarepath
SkaPunk (4) Warbaby, Sn0-man, Slayalot, glurio
Abenson (1) cDgCorazon

SkaPunk is set to be lynched! You have two hours to the deadline and voting is MANDATORY.

Sorry about the formatting, phone posting.

warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
January 27 2013 23:35 GMT
#162
##Unvote: SkaPunk
##Vote: abenson

By glurio's metric, we should lynch scum, then scummy lurkers, then lurkers. If SkaPunk's single post was a scum trying to blend in then he's the worst scum ever. My (very weak) read on him is that he's town, but playing with extremely little effort so far. Pressure is apparently not getting a rise from him. Maybe he's not reading the thread, but one would really expect scum to put up some kind of defense when they're 2 hours (is that right?) from being lynched. So I'm going to vote for an actual 100% lurker.

I like that Corazon didn't vote for SkaPunk. If Cora was scum, there's a chance he would have just bandwagoned SkaPunk right off the bat. So I'm voting with Cora. The same applies to Zarepath, but Zare's been less active than Cora so I feel it's a bit riskier voting with Zare (in case AFKing suddenly steps up his game).

Speaking of pressuring people to get a rise from them, what the heck happened to Acid~? He defended himself from my bullshit aggression, then ignored Zare's question about LAL and peaced out.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 28 2013 00:20 GMT
#163
Someone being obviously scummy Day 1 in a newbie game and yet still being scummy is not unheard of; in my last two newbie games, the two most scummy lurkers were scum all along, but we jumped off of them both times because we were sure they couldn't be THAT scummy on purpose.

Just saying.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
January 28 2013 00:32 GMT
#164
important PSA: Should have caught this sooner so it's my fault. Abenson isn't playing. He was replaced with Glurio. As such any vote for Abenson that remains at the deadline will be treated as a vote for a no lynch. Sorry about that, fixed the filter so it is glurios now
warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
January 28 2013 00:37 GMT
#165
##Unvote: abenson/glurio
##Vote: AFKing


Zare you do have a point. SkaPunk's still going to be lynched as it is, though.

I don't think Cora being unsure about the rules was odd. The rules state "Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game." but don't mention discussing replacements. Anyway, I won't argue with stutter's request to not discuss this stuff.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 28 2013 00:55 GMT
#166
##Unvote
##Vote: SkaPunk


Well now that we have been advised that the guy I just voted for isn't playing, I really think that there isn't much choice between the three candidates for lynching. However, posting one random post and then not posting at all is slightly more scummier to me than not posting at all. A scum would be more likely to post and then take advantage of 2 other people not posting to fly under the radar than they would be to not post anything at all.
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glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
January 28 2013 00:59 GMT
#167
On January 28 2013 09:20 zarepath wrote:
Someone being obviously scummy Day 1 in a newbie game and yet still being scummy is not unheard of; in my last two newbie games, the two most scummy lurkers were scum all along, but we jumped off of them both times because we were sure they couldn't be THAT scummy on purpose.

Just saying.



Exactly what i thought about. Won't let myself get swayed this time and will stick to Ska.

He clearly knew he was in the game, and we gave him enough time to post again.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
January 28 2013 01:05 GMT
#168
Times up! (Flavor to be edited in later)

SkaPunk, the Vanilla Town has been lynched.

It is now night one. You have 24 hours. Please send night actions to both Marvellosity and myself.

I'm working on what to do with the no-voters.


Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 28 2013 01:06 GMT
#169
Well, the chances of us getting a scum D1 were zero. I'm gonna relook over the day's events and let you all know if I find anything of importance.
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warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
January 28 2013 01:22 GMT
#170
Acid~ made one post out of three that was characteristic of his normal play, and his final lack of action is very surprising. I think this is important.

Sn0man and SlayAlot didn't waste much time voting for SkaPunk after I did. SlayAlot called me out for over aggression one minute before Sn0man called me out for playing like scum Mocsta and claiming town. Does anybody think these sequences of events are important?
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 28 2013 01:26 GMT
#171
On January 28 2013 10:22 warbaby wrote:
Sn0man and SlayAlot didn't waste much time voting for SkaPunk after I did.


I'd also like to point out that Sn0, SlayAlot, and Glurio all voted after you and cited that they wouldn't be at the deadline. They voted for the person who looked like was going to be lynched.

I would like to say that you really did blow things with Sn0 out of proportion. It wasn't tunneling, but you got very aggressive with him just because he disagreed with you. I'm just curious why you decided to argue with him just because he disagreed with you.
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warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
January 28 2013 01:59 GMT
#172
Well, I disagreed with Sn0 that claiming town is "really scummy WB, really scummy". IIRC you actually backed me up on my assertion that claiming town is a null point, Corazon. Breaking the rules is scummy, and I can only take the stupid newbie defense on that.

I pressured him because I felt that he was trying to discourage scumhunting (with the statement that scumhunting D1 is "rich"). I'm a little disappointed nobody else commented on this. I don't think he's addressed all of my concerns, but he does at least claim to not be discouraging scumhunting, and backed off trying to frame me as Mocsta in XXXV (for now at least).

You're right, that I didn't respond to your posts during my spat with Sn0. I even overlooked them later when we were discussing tunelling at the top of page 8. I felt like you were backing me up, and me just agreeing with you wouldn't really mean anything.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
January 28 2013 02:02 GMT
#173
EBWOP: remove "You're right, that". I'm getting tired, and for some reason I mixed up what you said in your last post with our top-o-page 8 discussion.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 28 2013 02:18 GMT
#174
On January 28 2013 10:59 warbaby wrote:
I pressured him because I felt that he was trying to discourage scumhunting (with the statement that scumhunting D1 is "rich"). I'm a little disappointed nobody else commented on this. I don't think he's addressed all of my concerns, but he does at least claim to not be discouraging scumhunting, and backed off trying to frame me as Mocsta in XXXV (for now at least).


I wouldn't have a problem with you pressuring him, but the fact that he (Acid~) disagreed with you and then you just went berserk on him over that one point. He said that he felt like being a jerk was ok if it was in the name of scum-hunting and then you went on him for saying that and calling it a "useless post". I don't feel like it was very useless at all. He was giving his opinion on one of your points, trying to create discussion. There was no reason for you to hammer him for it. I think you did a good job of making discussion, but I disagree with your methods.

Blasting someone for their opinion is one of things that creates a hostile town environment. You haven't done that yet, but I just feel like you could have gone a different way in pressuring Acid.

However, one thing I would like to bring up:

On January 26 2013 20:59 Acid~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 14:31 warbaby wrote:
My original post said "being a jerk for no reason"; scumhunting is a good reason. Snoman already made this exact point. Is there a good reason you made this rather pointless post?


Why would you assume I automatically agree with Snoman, especially without knowing either of our alignments?


What is curious to me is that he would not automatically assume that scumhunting is a good reason to be a jerk. There are a myriad of reasons why.

My two guesses are:
He assumed that "being a jerk for no reason" meant "being a jerk at all".
OR
Freudian scum slip?

When you (WB) pushed him on this part of his response (indirectly, I feel like you should have pushed this more, and I wish I would've caught it as well), he replied with:

On January 27 2013 01:59 Acid~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
warbaby
On January 26 2013 20:59 Acid~ wrote:
Why would you assume I automatically agree with Snoman, especially without knowing either of our alignments?


I assumed you agreed with snoman because you literally made the same point as snoman, just worded differently. Snoman also said some more stuff, which I feel contributed to the thread. What I think about your alignment is irrelevant to whether you made a quality first post, so I interpret this as a strawman.


Are you dense or just vomiting words for the sake of it? You couldn't know my position until I mentioned it. If you think it's not valuable to know where people stand on issues, why the fuck would you make your first post specifically about issues?


He makes a very emotional defence and personally attacks you (which you did call out). Once again, the question of why isn't scumhunting obviously a good reason to become a jerk come to play.

I would like to hear Acid's response to this.
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glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
January 28 2013 05:29 GMT
#175
Ok my shift is over.
I'd like to summarize the votes:
first vote of the game zare votes Afking (lurker)
warbaby votes skapunk (oneliner)
sn0 also votes skapunk
cora votes abenson (lurker)
slayalot votes skapunk
glurio votes skapunk
warbaby unvotes skapunk, votes abenson
abenson isnt in the game -> warbaby votes afking
cora votes skapunk
skapunk dies flips VT

With 3 people not voting there is less then ideal information but i think we can get something out of those votes.
What strikes me as odd is warbabys voting pattern: first one voting for skapunk, then jumping off to another lurker? Why? And why did you not go back to skapunk after abenson was out?

I'll leave you with this question and will go to sleep. Probably gonna sleep long so don't expect me to respond till the evening, good night.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
January 28 2013 06:26 GMT
#176
I explained both of my votes in detail when I made them. If you want I can quote my own posts, glurio, but I'd rather not repeat myself. I didn't change my vote back to SkaPunk after the abenson revelation because I still didn't think I was going to get anywhere pressuring SkaPunk, and I wanted to see if it might work on AFKing.

Basically, I was voting lurkers to try to pressure them into contributing, falling back on the assumption that lynching someone who failed to contribute D1 would't be the worst possible result for town.

Since it might not be obvious:
It's not my fault abenson was still listed as a player in the OP 41.5 hours into D1. I would have never voted for abenson if I had known he wasn't playing the whole time.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
January 28 2013 06:30 GMT
#177
EBWOP: 47.5 hours.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
January 28 2013 06:46 GMT
#178
Glurio, you failed to list Zare's vote, and the fact that Cora was also forced to unvote abenson. I'm not offering this as reasoning for my own votes, I just find it noteworthy that you edited out certain events from your summary.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
January 28 2013 06:51 GMT
#179
EBWOP: nevermind, I see now that you mentioned Zare's vote. I'm going to bed now, it's clearly too late for me to be posting coherently. Good night.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 28 2013 14:45 GMT
#180
Wow. I go to sleep for 7 hours and absolutely zero people have posted. This is sad, and it makes me believe that a majority of the 6 semi-active people in this game are scum. As town, we can't afford to sit around and say nothing. We need to bounce ideas off of each other and give different viewpoints of D1 issues. If we sit around and not talk at all, we will never find scum and town will lose 100%.

I'm still waiting for Acid's response to my long post above. If anyone has something to say, they should bring it up before the deadline (10 hours left). An inactive town is a pathetic one.
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