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On January 27 2013 01:27 cDgCorazon wrote:
Just make sure you guys don't use metas from old games too much. Mocsta wasted half a day in NMMXXXV by voting for me just because he could not tell whether my scum play or my town play are the same or different. (I feel like they are the same on the outside, but if you look hard enough than you could probably find a lot more holes in my logic if I was scum than town).
EBWOP: It was NMM XXXIV, sorry.
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On January 26 2013 22:31 warbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 20:59 Acid~ wrote:
I also had four or five pages of thread to analyze, it's illogical to expect the same kind of post when there's not even half a page yet. Why didn't you wait until there were 5 pages to review in this game before posting, then? Nobody forced you to make a 2 sentence post that sounds like a scum trying to blend in. Your assertion here is appears reasonable, but in fact this is a lame excuse.
Because there was a discussion going on where two people had stated their opinion on an issue and I wanted to chime in with mine. I feel that's a perfectly valid reason to post.
Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 20:59 Acid~ wrote:
Why would you assume I automatically agree with Snoman, especially without knowing either of our alignments? I assumed you agreed with snoman because you literally made the same point as snoman, just worded differently. Snoman also said some more stuff, which I feel contributed to the thread. What I think about your alignment is irrelevant to whether you made a quality first post, so I interpret this as a strawman.
Are you dense or just vomiting words for the sake of it? You couldn't know my position until I mentioned it. If you think it's not valuable to know where people stand on issues, why the fuck would you make your first post specifically about issues?
I'm still willing to believe I'm misinterpreting your posts. Please explain how you were contributing to the thread or why you felt the need to make such an effort-lacking first post (breaking with your recent town meta). If you were literally just being lazy, and felt the need to post something, then say so. If you felt you actually did contribute something that hadn't been said already, then I'll just have to take your world for it.
And I'm not willing to believe you're doing anything but cluttering the thread with nonsense at this point, whether it's intentional or not.
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Acid~, I take your response to mean you do feel that your posts were productive so far. I think it's interesting that you defend yourself by attacking me personally. I'm not the only one making this case against you.
You're right, though. I'm done discussing this if you are.
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I'm here ready for this awesome game. Acid is mad already!
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On January 27 2013 02:30 warbaby wrote:
Acid~, I take your response to mean you do feel that your posts were productive so far. I think it's interesting that you defend yourself by attacking me personally. I'm not the only one making this case against you.
You're right, though. I'm done discussing this if you are.
After reading pages 5,6,7 over a few times - I can't find anyone els who is "making a case against him". So what exactly do you mean? From my perspective, you are the only one attacking Acid. And in a kind of aggressive way.
I'm not saying that makes you a scum, but I don't think it's wise to make people afraid to post. If you can extract that much information from what Acid has written so far, you are either damn good at this game, or just very interested in pointing a finger at someone.
Also. SkaPunk. your post doesn't count as a real post to me  . You're still a lurker in my eyes. You're gonna have to write some more. What are you going to contribute with, for day 1 ?
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On January 27 2013 03:16 SkaPunk wrote:
I'm here ready for this awesome game. Acid is mad already!
Big first post...
Assuming you are new, I'll let you know that there are some expectations regarding the content and volume of posts that you contribute. That one doesn't really qualify under content considerations.
However, this is the Acid I'd much rather play with, to be honest. He is a bit heavy on the personal insults in his arguments but the emotion is tough to fake and his analysis (once there is something to analyze) is pretty spot on.
At the moment I can draw a LOT of parallels between warbaby and mocsta last game (and that coach claim looked really scummy WB. Really scummy).
I'd like other peoples thoughts on WB's town/coach claim.
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On January 27 2013 04:17 Slayalot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 02:30 warbaby wrote:
Acid~, I take your response to mean you do feel that your posts were productive so far. I think it's interesting that you defend yourself by attacking me personally. I'm not the only one making this case against you.
You're right, though. I'm done discussing this if you are. After reading pages 5,6,7 over a few times - I can't find anyone els who is "making a case against him". So what exactly do you mean? From my perspective, you are the only one attacking Acid. And in a kind of aggressive way. I'm not saying that makes you a scum, but I don't think it's wise to make people afraid to post. If you can extract that much information from what Acid has written so far, you are either damn good at this game, or just very interested in pointing a finger at someone. Also. SkaPunk. your post doesn't count as a real post to me . You're still a lurker in my eyes. You're gonna have to write some more. What are you going to contribute with, for day 1 ?
I mentioned I thought acid's first post was a low-contribution one that a scum could make if they wanted to LOOK like they were doing stuff.
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Snoman, I was trying to scumhunt. Mocsta tried to look like he was scumhunting in XXXV. It makes sense that there would be parallels. And yeah, Acid~ seems to be acting much more himself now 
You're right that me mentioning coaching like that could look scummy. This was a indirect way of saying "I am town". I don't think claiming town is scummy D1 -- it basically means nothing -- but doing it indirectly could be interpreted as an attempt to be sneaky and implant suggestions or something. I promise you I am not that sneaky.
I think my (stupid) coach claim is a valid point of scumhunting discussion, though. So please have at it. Maybe it will give the remaining lurkers something to talk about.
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Hi everyone. Please don't mention any coaching you may or may not receive. This means I'd rather no-one talks about the fact that someone has done so either. Thanks!
On January 15 2013 05:36 Stutters695 wrote:Newbie-specific stuff [*] If you receive coaching, don't tell town about it.
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On January 27 2013 04:17 Slayalot wrote:
I don't think it's wise to make people afraid to post. If you can extract that much information from what Acid has written so far, you are either damn good at this game, or just very interested in pointing a finger at someone.
I wanted to point a finger at someone, I would have done so, by declaring FoS. I did not because my case against Acid~ was weak. I was surprised by his initial roundabout answer, so I followed up with some pressure. He then furnished the answer I was looking for, so I backed off.
I want to make it clear that I never once claimed Acid~ was actually scum. Making this claim in a newbie game based on meta over a single post would be ridiculous.
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On January 27 2013 04:17 Slayalot wrote:
I'm not saying that makes you a scum, but I don't think it's wise to make people afraid to post.
I don't think Warbaby has done that. It take a lot of work to create an environment where people are afraid to post. Attacking one person does not create such an environment. What happened with Acid is just friendly sparring on D1.
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EBWOP: If I wanted to point a finger
I'm really sorry, for breaking the guidelines. I'll do my best to follow them properly going forward.
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Well this is really moving along...
On January 27 2013 04:52 warbaby wrote:Snoman, I was trying to scumhunt. Mocsta tried to look like he was scumhunting in XXXV. It makes sense that there would be parallels. And yeah, Acid~ seems to be acting much more himself now I don't think claiming town is scummy D1 -- it basically means nothing -- but doing it indirectly could be interpreted as an attempt to be sneaky and implant suggestions or something. I promise you I am not that sneaky.
A) "trying to scumhunt" is a bit rich at this stage. You are/were both trying to take control of town. And you are using the same methods. Additionally, trying to scumhunt and trying to look like you are scumhunting are 2 very different things, and should be reasonably distinct.
B) Overt town-claims are scummy as hell. Real town doesn't need to claim, their actions speak louder than their words.
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On January 27 2013 10:20 Sn0_Man wrote:trying to scumhunt and trying to look like you are scumhunting are 2 very different things, and should be reasonably distinct.
I don't agree. If someone pretends to scumhunt convincingly, they should appear to be the same as someone who is actually scumhunting. Just because Mocsta pretended effectively (for a while) in XXXV does not mean I'm doing the same thing.
The way I see it, the only thing I can do to further address your other concerns is to play solid town, without being overly aggressive and feeding into your criticism. This seems reasonable so I'll give it a shot, unless you have a better suggestion, or some direct questions for me.
Your point B is not possible for me to address further. You've made your point here, I gave my explanation before I realized I had broken the rules. Can we leave it at that?
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On January 27 2013 10:45 warbaby wrote:
I don't agree. If someone pretends to scumhunt convincingly, they should appear to be the same as someone who is actually scumhunting. Just because Mocsta pretended effectively (for a while) in XXXV does not mean I'm doing the same thing.
Playing aggressive is Mocsta's style. He did the same aggressive town play in XXXIV. That is a read on his meta, and doesn't mean that it is a scum or town tell.
So yes, you are right. On both points.
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On January 27 2013 01:30 cDgCorazon wrote:
For the record, we still haven't heard anything from:
Skapunk
Abenson
AFKing (fitting name)
These three need to start posting before I (and perhaps to a greater extent, we) write you off as not needed by the town.
Lurkers don't help our cause, and if we can't find anyone scummy D1, I'd be totally down for LAL.
Well. 23 hours later, and these three still have not made a single useful post.
Damn lurkers...
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Sn0man can you explain in more detail what's scummy about me claiming town? I believe claiming town is at worst a null read. I think we can discuss this without breaking the rules.
Why are you attacking me because I claim to be scum hunting? Trying to discourage scumhunting is scummy.
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Town has no need to claim town, they ARE town. Actions speak louder than words. Town claims only make sense from a scum perspective, because scum need to look townie and/or not get lynched.
I'm not attacking you, and I'm not discouraging scumhunting. I'm discouraging town-claims (HI GUYS I"M TOWN CUZ I SAID SO. THAT MEANS YOU SHOULDN'T LYNCH ME), and I'm discouraging attempts to take over town by people who I don't have a town read on yet.
Either way, I'm also posting in the hopes that my posts will spark any kind of input whatsoever from the people who have yet to pipe up. If its like this ~12 hours from now I'll be forced to vote a lurker.
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[B]On January 27 2013 04:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
At the moment I can draw a LOT of parallels between warbaby and mocsta last game (and that coach town claim looked really scummy WB. Really scummy).
I'd like other peoples thoughts on WB's town/coach claim.
Mocsta never straight up claimed town, so could I assume the parallel you're now drawing is that my trying to control town makes me scum because Mocsta did it, and he was scum in XXXV?
I think that's a totally legitimate point, although if I was trying to control town it was not really on purpose. Nobody should be controlling town unless there is a mayor power role, and then you should lynch the mayor immediately. Every town should be thinking for themselves.
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Btw, I'm also noting how you guys haven't payed attention to anyone else's posts and are only focusing on your little "who has a larger penis" competition.
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