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Well you join with a bang acid.
I want to add some stuff before the night is over:
I think warbaby tries to take advantage of the Mocsta situation.
He said he observed the last game, so he knows how mocsta played. Also a lot of people from this game are playing again.
What i thought about was this post:
On January 28 2013 09:20 zarepath wrote:
Someone being obviously scummy Day 1 in a newbie game and yet still being scummy is not unheard of; in my last two newbie games, the two most scummy lurkers were scum all along, but we jumped off of them both times because we were sure they couldn't be THAT scummy on purpose.
Just saying.
warbaby is well aware of that, so he tries to emulate mocstas style, because who would think scum actually emulates a scum player from the game before it, with lots of the same players who would all recognize it?
I hope i get my point across.
This will be all for me today have to sleep.
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Yeah, acid has it right.
Apart from having the most posts, the biggest parallel between warbaby and mocsta is their desperate need to be perceived as scumhunting, and their penchant for counter-attacking those who dare question their posts or motives.
Warbaby trumpets his scumhunting, without doing any. It is all about him, and any questioning of that results in "YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, THEREFORE YOU HATE SCUMHUNTING AND LOVE SCUM".
I still find it somehow believable that he is a poor, misguided townie. As I did with mocsta. I'm certifiably awful at this game 
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just a friendly reminder, the deadline is in two hours for the day flip. If you have not already done so, please PM Marv and I with your night actions. If there is no PM it will be treated as no action.
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I think I've already defended myself on most of the points being brought against me, so I won't post some big rebuttal.
The one item I guess I haven't addressed is how I can claim to be scumhunting (eg, what have I done that qualifies as such). My methods are to apply pressure, like I did to Acid and Sn0man. I also try to encourage discussion as best I can by responding to people when I have something worthwhile to say, either when they post about me, or post about someone else.
I like that you bring back up my accusation that you were trying to discourage scumhunting, Sn0man.
On January 27 2013 10:20 Sn0_Man wrote:
A) "trying to scumhunt" is a bit rich at this stage.
You backed off most of the other assertions in that post. But I honestly think this small quote stands on it's own as a scummy thing to say. Go ahead and push a mislynch on me, when I flip town you and Acid are going to look really bad.
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Why would town talk about how awful they are
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I'm not feeling well, and am probably going to take a nap. Since I might not be around for deadline, here's my will. I'm going to keep it simple, refer to my filter if you want more details.
Corazon - He hasn't contributed a whole ton (lists are cool but I don't really count them as significant contributions). He seems to be very careful about what he says, and I think he's only really said one thing that can really be criticized as scummy (the last sentence in his SkaPunk post). I take a null read from his setup confusion. So if he's scum blending is a town, he's doing a good job. I'd like him to be more aggressive because I think he'd be good at it.
AFKing/Cakepie - Still waiting to see a single post from them. Expecting lots D2 or he's a candidate to lynch as a lurker.
Slayalot - I hope he can find time to contribute because I think he'd be good at the game. The posts he's made are ok, but we really need more from him to make any kind of read.
Sn0man - My #1 scum candidate. I think he's said a number of things that are scummy. He jumped right on lynching town SkaPunk. See my filter for details Basically most of his posts look to me like scum throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. But he could also be trying to apply the same methods I claim to be using -- pressuring into a scumslip, posting decently to encourage discussion, etc.
Acid~ - I like that acid is sticking to his guns. I hate that acid has made 4 posts and failed to vote. I'd like to hear what he thinks of something other than me, and a better excuse for his extremely poor play so far. My 3rd ranked scum candidate currently, but very weak since I can't draw much from a half dozen posts.
Zarepath - A step above acid and Slayalot in the present but not contributing a whole lot category. I still can't make much of a read on him, but I'm leaning town because he seems to be putting some thought into his posts.
Glurio - My #2 scum candidate, but this is weak. Glurio posts stuff that generally blends in. He pressures people already under pressure, but never really puts forward his own case. He votes for Ska only after Ska is already set to be lynched. Very blendy play, but he has made contributions that are beneficial to town in my eyes. So my read on him is pretty weak.
I am pointing some fingers here, but that's how the game of mafia is played. Getting on my case because I've been critical of several different players is bullshit and anti-town.
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EBWOP: acid has made 5 posts since the game started, not including EBWOP's
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Just to be formal, FoS: Sn0_man
Acid, I'm glad you're back swinging, but I also think it's slightly ridiculous for you to just blow back in here and drop an FoS after failing to vote and only commenting on one player.
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Not ridiculous at all. Would you rather that a lurkers first post were fluff or hard analysis?
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Oh well, I can't sleep. Acid making a hard analysis is not what's ridiculous. Failing to vote day 1, and then swooping in with an FoS is what I find slightly ridiculous. If Acid won't post his opinions about anybody else, then how are we supposed to get reads on him? And what's the point of making an FoS if you don't give other players enough content to make a read on you?
Has Acid~ put in the effort to analyze anyone's play but my own? We don't have a single shred of evidence to the contrary.
Why didn't Acid~ post a will before leaving N1? This makes it seem like he's very sure there's no chance of him being night killed.
I encourage you guys to look at the case Acid~ and Sn0_man are making against me. But I also encourage you to look at their play objectively, with special attention at how much effort they've put into doing anything else.
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day 2
No one was killed (flavor to come)
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Hey guys, just popping in to ack that I'm replacing in. I'm still busy with work for a few more hours, haven't read anything yet so ya'll gotta give me some time to catch up -- will try to get something together before I go to bed tonight hopefully. (PST, GMT-8)
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On January 29 2013 10:16 warbaby wrote:
Oh well, I can't sleep. Acid making a hard analysis is not what's ridiculous. Failing to vote day 1, and then swooping in with an FoS is what I find slightly ridiculous. If Acid won't post his opinions about anybody else, then how are we supposed to get reads on him? And what's the point of making an FoS if you don't give other players enough content to make a read on you?
Has Acid~ put in the effort to analyze anyone's play but my own? We don't have a single shred of evidence to the contrary.
Why didn't Acid~ post a will before leaving N1? This makes it seem like he's very sure there's no chance of him being night killed.
I encourage you guys to look at the case Acid~ and Sn0_man are making against me. But I also encourage you to look at their play objectively, with special attention at how much effort they've put into doing anything else.
While it is my fault that I didn't warn about this, I don't think I can be blamed for my real-life job interfering with mafia.
I analyzed only you because I didn't have time after I finished with you and I started with you because you were the first to attract my attention.
I notice that you conveniently avoided to reply to what I think is your scummiest action so far: you took your vote off SkaPunk claiming you had a town read on him, yet despite your willingness to lead town you did not lead town away from a possible mislynch.
Explain what happened with the stats on day 1.
Option 1: you didn't check your math (it's retardedly simple math and you were way off), which makes you lazy, which as town is simply helping scum - aka treason.
Option 2: you deliberately misled us in order to make a LAL vote more attractive than it should've been, so that we wouldn't lynch scum.
Which is it?
Also, you did not "scumhunt" by your interaction with Snoman and me. You talked and you were meek in your accusations.
Explain the situations described above.
Explain, or die.
##Vote: warbaby
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I'm really sorry that I couldn't post my last thoughts, my phone died and I just got home. However, I would like to make a general answer to the accusations made against me.
Being inconsistent: You're right Zare, my focus just has not been here over the first day. I'm making a promise to all of you now that I'm going to read the thread again before saying anything. No more inconsistencies. If you're expecting a defense to this point, you're not gonna get one. I've been wasting my time.
Voting for Ska: At the point in time I was going to vote for Ska, it was already going to be him lynched, with 3 people voting for him who wouldn't be able to change their votes before the deadline. I voted Abenson to make sure all of the lurkers knew that we would not allow for lurking. Once I was notified that Abenson didn't exist, I just decided to consolidate our vote for Ska. Glurio's comment that something in my post was fishy (without actually saying which part was fishy) is scummy in itself, trying to distract the town by getting them to find a deeper meaning in everything that I post.
Not knowing set-up/being ignorant: I've already stated this, it's a massive WIFOM bomb. Stop distracting town with it.
Me not playing to my "usual standard" (whatever that is): In the past two games I've played, I spent 6 Days as scum and 1 day as town. So perhaps me not playing like I did in XXXIII means I'm town?
Now to the scumhunting part. The problem I'm having with Acid right now is that all he has done the whole game is tunneled Warbaby. I know he's going after his scum read, but most of his posts have been in his argument with WB and attacking WB. I made an argument against him asking for a reply, and it has completely ignored in his pursuit to have Warbaby lynched at all costs. Ignoring an argument is an automatic FoS for me. If he was town, why would he ignore an argument made against him. If he is truly innocent, he can explain his behavior, not ignore me and hope it blows over.
FoS: Acid~
I'm gonna go through the thread again just to make sure I didn't miss anything.
Last note for this long post: Zare, I'm glad you got your RL stuff out of the way. Your case against me was the most solid of the multiple arguments (I really can't call any of the rest cases) against me. It's going a long way for me to believe that you are town. Keep it up.
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Oh, hey Acid~, good of you to drop in. Thought you weren't going to be back for another ">24 hours".
I'm not going to explain my D1 actions any more. I already explained them enough. Anyone who wants answers to Acid~'s questions are invited to review my filter. If anyone (other than Acid~ and Sn0man) are still not satisfied, I will answer their specific questions.
On January 29 2013 10:46 Acid~ wrote:
Also, you did not "scumhunt" by your interaction with Snoman and me. You talked and you were meek in your accusations.
##Vote: warbaby
If my was so meek, why did you get so pissed off at me in your second post of the thread, when I pressured you?
##Vote: Acid~
I still have my suspicions about Sn0man, but I can't see a town motivation in Acid~ voting me right now. Town is in good shape aftering dodging N1 kill, anyone throwing around votes right now should have put in enough effort to analyze D1 in it's totality, which Acid~ admits he has not even bothered to do.
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