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Warbaby, you are not playing for town right now. OMGUSing is awful, refusing to answer questions is awful, criticizing people for making analytic posts is awful. Address content not people.
And what the heck is this about criticizing someone for throwing around their vote too early D2, and therefore, you immediately vote for them? You have hardly any consistency in your stances or opinions.
If you truly suspected Acid to be scum, you would encourage him to post more and welcome his analysis so you could scour it for evidence, not lash out at him while refusing to defend yourself in any way. Town can be confident in their defense; it costs little to make because you don't have to lie.
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On January 29 2013 11:29 zarepath wrote:
And what the heck is this about criticizing someone for throwing around their vote too early D2, and therefore, you immediately vote for them? You have hardly any consistency in your stances or opinions.
I criticize Acid~ for doing nothing but tunnel me and not even bothering to read the whole thread before voting. You seriously think it's good for a town to vote without reading the whole thread first?
On January 29 2013 10:46 Acid~ wrote:
I didn't have time after I finished with you and I started with you because you were the first to attract my attention.
Making an FoS on me without reading the whole thread - OK fine. Voting for anybody before reading the whole thread - not OK.
Your rejection of my response to Acid~ is valid. I'll review the thread and if I can find anything he's posted that I don't feel was already addressed in my filter, I'll explain it. I'm happy to answer questions, just not from Acid~ or Sn0man on their case against me, because I think it's a waste of time to defend myself further.
Again, if anybody wants answers to the questions Acid~ is asking, they're right there in my filter. You just gotta take the time to read.
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On January 29 2013 11:29 zarepath wrote:Town can be confident in their defense; it costs little to make because you don't have to lie.
I am confident in my already existing defence to Sn0man's attack's against me. As far as I can tell, Acid~ is attacking me for the same exact reasons, so by association I've defended myself against Acid~'s attack already.
Zare, you're a smart guy. Can you point out anything in Acid~'s attack that differs from the attacks Sn0man made against me earlier? I looked, but I didn't see anything.
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I think you are both being ridiculously hasty in your votes.
Remember this? Or was it lost in the "absolute chaos" of D1?
On January 26 2013 12:39 cDgCorazon wrote:
Don't get confirmation bias. Explore all possible options before voting, and make sure your vote is serious. In my opinion, a vote should not be used to get information about someone unless they have been called out for lack of activity before. A FoS (finger of suspicion) is sufficient enough when first pressuring someone for information. I'm all fine with pressure voting for someone after you've given them the FoS or some other sort of warning, but if you are going to vote, make sure you mean it. It will show the town that your vote means business, instead of trivial matters that could be solved without voting.
So please, make serious arguments on each other instead of pressure voting and OMGUSing...
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I'm voting for Acid~ because I think his extreme lack of effort is either useless for town, or indicative of scum. Read Acid~'s filter. Read the thread. Tell me how he's contributing anything original.
I honestly don't care that he voted for me. I'll probably care more if more people vote for me, but right now I'm not very impressed with anything Acid~ has for this entire game.
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No FoS? No type of warning? No asking him for opinions on others? No asking him how he feels about this or that event? Zare summed it up nicely:
On January 29 2013 11:29 zarepath wrote:
If you truly suspected Acid to be scum, you would encourage him to post more and welcome his analysis so you could scour it for evidence, not lash out at him while refusing to defend yourself in any way. Town can be confident in their defense; it costs little to make because you don't have to lie.
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Gah, his case against me is such bullshit I want to break it down for you.
Acid~ complains that I'm not actually scumhunting. This is an old complaint from his 3rd post in D1 that I've done my best to address. If he thinks my scumhunting is so bad, well, I'll just do my best to get better. Other than that, why is he trying to discourage me from scum hunting? What possible motive could that have?
Acid~ rumbles about numbers that aren't even relevant anymore, since D1 was already over. This is what happened: I responded to Corazon's mistake and extrapolated on top of it. Corazon made a mistake, I didn't catch it and made some comments based on a false assumption. I believe Corazon shares the blame with me on this, so you can refer to his defense for more details. Maybe Acid~ with his amazing math skills could have helped clear things up AT THE TIME, but he didn't. There is no excuse is for this useless behavior.
Acid~ says that he now has a strong scum read on me because using responding to someone else's faulty math is treason. I guess Corazon is a traitor too, then.
Acid~ complains about my votes, but he didn't even vote D1, and then he voted D2 after admitting he hadn't read the thread.
I told myself I wasn't going to defend Acid~'s aggression any more. But his case is such horse crap that it makes him look scummy. He was already 3rd on my list of scum, but now he's #1.
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On January 29 2013 12:23 cDgCorazon wrote:No FoS? No type of warning? No asking him for opinions on others? No asking him how he feels about this or that event? Zare summed it up nicely: Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 11:29 zarepath wrote:
If you truly suspected Acid to be scum, you would encourage him to post more and welcome his analysis so you could scour it for evidence, not lash out at him while refusing to defend yourself in any way. Town can be confident in their defense; it costs little to make because you don't have to lie.
I have asked EVERYONE multiple times for several opinions on others, and very few people have responded. Guess who always failed to respond? Acid~.
I have directly called Acid~ out the fact that he hasn't commented on anyone else. I've been waiting 72+ hours for Acid~ to make useful comments and so far he has failed. How much longer do I have to wait?
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Hey look, justification! Now maybe if you did that before the vote we could take you seriously...
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He said he has analysis on others forthcoming -- at least, that's the assumption I got based off the fact that he started with you first and is going down the line.
I am not going to get into this anymore. I will ignore everything you say about Acid now so you'd better start analyzing elsewhere.
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On January 29 2013 11:02 warbaby wrote:
##Vote: Acid~
I still have my suspicions about Sn0man, but I can't see a town motivation in Acid~ voting me right now. Town is in good shape aftering dodging N1 kill, anyone throwing around votes right now should have put in enough effort to analyze D1 in it's totality, which Acid~ admits he has not even bothered to do.
I'm just fucking repeating myself, Corazon, and pointing out shit that should be obvious to anyone who actually read Acid~'s filter, or god forbid, the thread.
Fuck off and do some work for a change. It's extremely hard for me to scumhunt when you all sit around with your thumbs up your ass expecting me to hand everything to you on a fucking silver platter.
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Once again WB, if you're gonna claim that I'm not doing any work, please read the thread again. YOU wasted the first half of the day having a spat with Sn0 and Acid and YOU are the one wasting our time with these silly votes now. You think you're doing work when in fact you're just distracting us from the real scumhunt.
Now before you say I'm defending Acid, I'm waiting for his response to my FoS.
You've given a reason for voting, but it's nothing that and FoS can solve. Did you read any of my early posts?
You're expecting me to find scum without giving a chance for them to explain yourselves. How is that good scum hunting? Your emotional defense is terribly uncalled for, and the fact that you and Acid are trying to tunnel the shit out of each other is just closing off other options that could be explored is ridiculously scummy behavior. I really can't tell which one of you is scum. Prove to me that you can give us alternate scum besides Acid.
FoS: Warbaby
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I don't accusing you of defending Acid~. I accuse you of not bothering to connect the dots and think for yourself. Of course I read your early posts because I've actually commented on them. In my filter. Which is there for you to read.
I thought about it some more, and there is one town motivation Acid~ could have for voting me, which is to pressure me because he needs a better read.
If that's his reasoning, I would have to rethink my case on him. I'm not saying I'll unvote him if, in 24 hours when he gets back from work (who works for 24 hours? isn't that illegal in germany?) he just says, "Yes warbaby I was pressuring you to get a better read." He needs think up some way to make actions that demonstrate this motive.
He needs to literally make up for the fact that he blatantly broke the rules, and spat in town's face, by failing to vote D1. And so far he has not done that.
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Warbaby's case against Acid~
1) He plays like shit day one and fails to vote.
2) He comes back day 2, with a completely unacceptable excuse. If he has 24 hour work shifts, he should not be signing up for mafia games.
3) He admits he didn't even read the whole thread, and pops a gigantic case (that largely echoes stuff Sn0man already said, so it's not like he even made that much effort -- mostly the math stuff is original, but I'm not even the one who fucked up the math in the first place).
4) The case is largely bullshit. I've also made a bullshit cases, to pressure people, but...
5) If he's trying to pressure me, it's a shitty way to do it, because he'll be gone for 24 hours.
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All I want you to do Warbaby, is make a case on someone other than Acid. Unvote him, and if he says something stupid or makes a scummy move (which I am on the watch for as well) then you can capitalize on that and use that to justify your arguments.
I'm asking you to do this to turn the question from D2 from "should we lynch Acid or not" for the majority of the day to "how can we find the other scum ("the other scum" for you because you think Acid is scum) and get them lynched as well?"
You're getting tunnel syndrome, it's dangerous for town. If you're town, you'll drop this now and either bring it up closer to the lynch or bring it up another day.
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That's the most sensible thing you've said in a while, Corazon. I have already and will continue to make cases against other players. But right now I'm really pissed at Acid~ for playing so poorly.
Did you fail to note the fact that I've already named 2 other players I suspect of being scum?
Do you want me to make some bullshit case against you? Feeling left out?
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On January 27 2013 15:58 warbaby wrote:
In response to your two posts that weren't lists, Corazon, I agree.
I thought you didn't like lists?
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I don't, and I've made exactly one list in this game, which was the will I linked.
Why did you ignore my scumreads from that will and accuse me of tunelling Acid~? Explain this.
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On January 29 2013 08:35 warbaby wrote:
(lists are cool but I don't really count them as significant contributions)
This seems to support my last post. It's also hypocritical to say that you don't like lists and then make a long list post. Care to explain?
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On January 29 2013 08:35 warbaby wrote:
(lists are cool but I don't really count them as significant contributions)
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This is called being facetious. Who the fuck cares what I think about lists (no really, someone else comment on this accusation please). Why did you make shit up about my scumreads?
I'd love to hear what others think of Cora either not reading my will, or choosing to ignore it until I brought it up.
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