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On December 21 2012 14:32 yamato77 wrote:
Also I've done plenty to push a town atmosphere this game if you have actually read the thread as you claim.
I don't know, this entrance by you is sketchy. You seem to feel the need to say only negative things. I don't know be you imagine this to be a townie thing to do after we lynch the godfather.
Meh I'll let it go.
I am kinda being an ass.
This is probably just some standard way for replacements to enter the thread or something so I'm not sure I should read too much into it.
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Here are my pretty certain reads.
One thing that I want to stress is how easily the Wiggles lynch came about.
What does this tell us about the characteristics of the mafia? They are weak and unable to fight, or they were not around to fight the lynch.
Townie Town Town
yamato77
Palmar Both were the first two to vote wiggles. Both pushed for his lynch.
Likely Town
Toadesstern - looking back at his posts, especially his vote post, he rings town. There's some possibility for scum, but he was the third to vote Wiggles. I feel he could have easily pushed for my mislynch with all the shit that was being believed in the thread
Slight Town
Scribs - His posting was focused, with a townie mindset. His late vote (4th in the order) on Wiggles is alarming though after he kept saying that Wiggles was the scummiest looking
Null
zelblade - didn't vote. Got modkilled. I wouldn't worry too much about him right now with Prom taking over. No motivation from either side for his d1, especially the part of not voting, which I would say is slightly more town indicative.
Stutters695 - he was 7th to vote for Wiggles. His explanation : avoid a modkill. I feel that this is a classic case of too scummy to be scum. Why on earth would scum say that and draw attention to themselves like that, especially with a teammate on the chopping block? However, it's still plausible. I think a vig shot is our best course of action on him since he isn't readable.
WTF?????
Eywa - Idk what to say on this dude. His post on palmar early d1 seemed good and original, yet his whole game has been wayyyyyy off from a scum or townie perspective. I don't feel like he's scum even though his vote was in la la land
Slightly scummy
Both of these two were afk for most of the parts of the day, dropping in once in a while. They would fit the mold of a weak/afk scum team
wherebugsgo - he opposed the Wiggles lynch after saying we should lynch Wiggles. That's very odd. But, I'm not sure if he would so weakly defend his teammate
Vivax - His contributions after the kenpachi rule trap by him were very limited. It's possible he just planned to use the kenpachi rule as scum to look like contributing.
Scum City Bitch
When considering between the two mentioned above and these two, the following have the most scummy reactions to the Wiggles lynch, especially when based on the fact that the scum team must be either weak or afk when the momentum on wiggles started.
iamperfection- PLEASE REREAD MY CASE ON HIM. PLEASE. I looked through the thread again. He came off just as, if not more, scummy.
+ Show Spoiler +Here's the bit I needed to add on his reaction to Wiggles + Show Spoiler +On December 20 2012 09:00 iamperfection wrote:
@palmar
What do you know about wiggles meta im trying to figure out if he is just stupid or if he is mafia.
I said when i saw it his post regarding Eywa at the time was the dumbest thing i had ever seen but do you know anything about his meta. is he prone to this stuff with regards to his alignment?
Why so trusting of Palmar's meta reads on d1 with only a slight town read on him? On December 20 2012 08:53 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 07:43 Palmar wrote:On December 20 2012 07:16 iamperfection wrote:
hey palmar when you do that list thing where give your reads and dont give any reasons for what your thinking your sucm.
you listed debars as leaning scum and haven't even mentioned a single reason why or mentioned him at all for that matter.
What say you to that? Hello. Are you not reading the thread? Every single read I've made I've made at least a passing comment towards. You've asked about debears, and here is where I picked up something I didn't like from him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17290209I think every person not in the "not read yet" I've either interacted with or posted about for the thread to see. What are you looking for? Also could you give your opinion on the Zelblade and Wiggles lynches we're discussing now. yeah i missed that one. When palmar is scum he gives 0 reasoning in his reads. Its possible hes grown out of that but i will lean slightly town for him since hes been active and engaged. But i will have my eye on you palmar i hold you in very high regard. asks open ended questions but doesn't make any kind of read himself On December 21 2012 00:32 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Eywa, I like you style, screw the haters. One question though: You make this post: On December 19 2012 23:51 Eywa- wrote:
I would like to examine the current situation and weigh in on mathematics. Generally speaking, there is a 75% or higher chance that if we kill someone on the first day that we will end up in a worse predicament than we currently are. I understand that our streets have been taken over by scum at night, but fear is not a reason to lose all our civil rights and obligations. As a productive member of society and an established citizen of this town, I plead that we take it easy today and allow our local police force to run their investigations before we strike. Saying that you'd like us to consider going for a no-lynch on Day 1 and just waiting for Day 2, so that we can possibly get a check in, or at the very least have something to talk about. Later, you come in with your analysis of Palmar, which is cool that you made it, but after re-reading, one thing that stuck out to me was that a majority of the posts and behaviour of Palmar that you draw on comes from before you made your no-lynch post. In-between your no-lynch post and your analysis, you were called out by a couple players for not commenting on the game (which I disagree with, but whatever). So, the analysis came after that. So, my question to you, is when did you become suspicious of Palmar? The timing of the post combined with the posts you draw from don't really fit when put into the context of your no-lynch post. You ask to no-lynch, then later you make a post saying Palmar is scum, which is fine, because you can change your mind, but your analysis is all based on stuff Palmar did before your no-lynch post, so if you found it to be so scummy, why didn't it strike you before? So, to me, it looks like you made your no-lynch post, got shut down, then went back and looked for someone to make a case on. What gives? well a lot of people have been getting worked up about this post. Yes its stupid but is it something a town wiggles could say? Pushes for my lynch pretty hard >>>>> disappears, even though he is so convinced I'm scum On December 21 2012 01:28 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 01:24 debears wrote:On December 21 2012 01:22 iamperfection wrote:On December 21 2012 01:21 debears wrote:On December 21 2012 01:18 iamperfection wrote:On December 21 2012 01:15 debears wrote:
Iamp you should really read my toad case and my meta again.
1) my main problem with toad was his vote on wbg when he didn't vote me. His plsts about me seemed toc indicate that he believed I was showing strong mafia motivation in my one pos of "I did thag once". His reasoning for voting wbg was weak compared to his reasoning on me. Yet he didn't vote me
Add that with bim being unreasonable and wasting my time js scum oriented
2) I tunnel when I think I've found scum. Figure it out. You use one fucking game for your meta read? You're fu of shit
Also, did you forget that I tunneled the shit out of hapa and hopeless that game d1?
3)
3) I can't provide more content on someone (stutters) when they hardly post
4) you say I'm not interacting with the thread. That's a fucking lie. I interact plenty when I have time and other people are on. All last night the only person who showed was toad. Yamato came when I was getting off.
5) you say my activity is different. Have you even considered that its near fucking christmas??????????? Explain to me how its solely explained by scum motivation because its not
In fact, in mario mini, I disappeared for half of day one for activity
So iamp, you are
1) blatantly misrepresenting what I am doing in threae
2) arent rearing my cases
3) didn't actually look up my meta. 1 game =\= meta
4) misrepresenting my meta in the one game you did use
You are scum
##Unvote
##vote iamp
3) yeah ok buddy go do scum hunting if your town. You are not hunting scum and havent done it the entire game. You gave no reason for why im scum. Thats a great response. If your case is so good you should be hammering me. Your response "go scumhunt because yiu haven't" is bullshit. I am scumhunting. You know you are wrong and you can't refute my case. I will not allow you to misrepresent my meta scum lol what case Show me how 1) me tunneling someone is solely aligned with my scum games 2) how my drop in activity on day is solely aligned to my scum games. Its not at all. In fact its the oppsosite You can't provide those, and you don't want to. Because you are scum and you are wrong whatever dude thats not my case and clearly you haven't read it. Sure you tunnel sometimes but you push those tunnels and your at all time open to other possiblities. Your straight up omgus of is you claiming scum i believe. vote this kid On December 21 2012 01:38 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 01:34 debears wrote:
Iamp is scum his case is a total misrepresentation of my play.
I will not stand for thi shit. Ill go over it in more detail when I'm back home later today by the way when you came back you tunneled me and shat up with toad once again. Made a passing comment on a couple others and gave no scum motivation behind anyone's actions. Your scum debars. im sorry. You just have to accept it. Why wasn't he there to push the lynch for me if he was so certain I was scum and he wasn't convinced Wiggles was? In fact, he said he didn't know what to think of Wiggles, other than Wiggles is stupid. On December 21 2012 00:32 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Eywa, I like you style, screw the haters. One question though: You make this post: On December 19 2012 23:51 Eywa- wrote:
I would like to examine the current situation and weigh in on mathematics. Generally speaking, there is a 75% or higher chance that if we kill someone on the first day that we will end up in a worse predicament than we currently are. I understand that our streets have been taken over by scum at night, but fear is not a reason to lose all our civil rights and obligations. As a productive member of society and an established citizen of this town, I plead that we take it easy today and allow our local police force to run their investigations before we strike. Saying that you'd like us to consider going for a no-lynch on Day 1 and just waiting for Day 2, so that we can possibly get a check in, or at the very least have something to talk about. Later, you come in with your analysis of Palmar, which is cool that you made it, but after re-reading, one thing that stuck out to me was that a majority of the posts and behaviour of Palmar that you draw on comes from before you made your no-lynch post. In-between your no-lynch post and your analysis, you were called out by a couple players for not commenting on the game (which I disagree with, but whatever). So, the analysis came after that. So, my question to you, is when did you become suspicious of Palmar? The timing of the post combined with the posts you draw from don't really fit when put into the context of your no-lynch post. You ask to no-lynch, then later you make a post saying Palmar is scum, which is fine, because you can change your mind, but your analysis is all based on stuff Palmar did before your no-lynch post, so if you found it to be so scummy, why didn't it strike you before? So, to me, it looks like you made your no-lynch post, got shut down, then went back and looked for someone to make a case on. What gives? well a lot of people have been getting worked up about this post. Yes its stupid but is it something a town wiggles could say? On December 21 2012 01:00 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 00:58 Palmar wrote:
Clearly he's making more effort than Wiggles though, amirite iamperf? i know more about debars than i know wiggles. Wiggles looks like he is just being super stupid to me. i don't know what to think of him Alright, let's go over this scenario: You are town iamp. You can 1) Try your hardest to get your certain scumread lynched 2) go with a lynch on someone you aren't sure about Which do you do? Number 1) What did Iamp do? Number 2) Iamp disappeared (shown in spoiler below). He did not stay around and push his scumread that he was certain about over a read that he was unsure about. That is not a townie mindset set at all+ Show Spoiler +On December 21 2012 01:42 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 01:34 debears wrote:
Iamp is scum his case is a total misrepresentation of my play.
I will not stand for thi shit. Ill go over it in more detail when I'm back home later today is yamato scum to because he agrees with me. maybe everyone who accuses debars is scum whatever dude you gone full retard. On December 21 2012 04:57 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 04:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Also, are people actually planning on being around before the lynch, or can I look forward to talking to myself for 5 hours? im always around lynch time. which if someone could covert to est i would appreciate. On December 21 2012 07:32 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 07:29 debears wrote:On December 21 2012 06:37 Toadesstern wrote:
Noone's shooting Zelblade.
If we have a vig that vig shoots debears 100%. Anything else and I'll slap people postgame. You never shoot an active, out in the spotlight player that you can make a read off of as a vig You shoot unreadables And you think I'm town and you want me shot You and iamp are scum just stop Was Iamp around during critical lynch time to push his lynch on his certain scumread? No. Did he even bother to make a read on Wiggles or contribute to the wiggles' lynch all day 1? No. He is scum
Morbidius+ Show Spoiler +Waited so long to vote after saying multiple times Wiggles was scummy. Waited for others to vote then immediately voted Let me show you the cadence of the votes right before Morb + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2012 02:36 Toadesstern wrote:From OP: Show nested quote +This game will use a simple plurality lynch. Whoever has the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched. In the event of a tie, the person to reach that number of votes first will be lynched. So we don't need to have 50%+ but yeah getting a bunch of votes on the same guy is still what we want to do to make it hard to manipulate things. That being said I'm most likely going to vote Wiggles today and trust in Palmar. Yes it's a weird statement and I get that most people will probably consider it a scummy statement but I think that's what is best for today. I said that I'm not sure about Palmar earlier but he looks better than Wiggles and WBG and the only VET other than those 3 left in this game is me :p And well my town game isn't known for being good but mostly for being erratic resultwise. I either stomp mafias and get 70-90% mafia reads correct by the end of d1/d2 or d3 the latest like I did in L, WoF, that abomination of a game that had a shitton of players in it where I killed half of the mafias that ended up dead myself or the last time I played with WBG when he was mafia... don't remember the name OR I'm completly retarded, hurting town like I'm mafias MVP by shooting 3 townies as the Joker in BC's game, as the mason in whatever the name of that was and so on. There's really nothing inbetween. I'm either going to be a hero, a shining beacon of towns mafiahunting abilities or a total disaster. I'd rather see which one it is before I lead a lynch on d1 this time around :p sooooo, long story short: ##unvote
##vote WigglesIn Palmar we trust! On December 21 2012 03:02 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 02:17 yamato77 wrote:
PSA: All town members need to make a post very soon stating where they stand on who is going to be lynched. Your options seem to be Bugs, Wiggles, Debears, and Zelblade, looking at the vote counts and recent behavior. We need to make a consolidation effort. Get some thoughts out there and discuss. bugsI'm not interested in lynching bugs today. I haven't spent a lot of time trying to read him, but basically I just don't see how anything he's done is definitively indicative of him being scum bugs as opposed to town bugs. zelbladeI'm leaning scum on zelblade, but I'm not as confident on him as I am on debears or Wiggles. I agree with bugs that his post about eywa is scummy, but I feel like there is more overall evidence against debears and Wiggles, each of whom have several posts which I think are scummy. I want to see more from zelblade. debearsI think debears would be a good lynch today and I think there's a reasonably good chance that he'd flip scum. I already detailed why I'm suspicious of him, and I agree with some of iamperfection's case, namely the part about tunneling Toad. @iamperfection About "not being engaged" I think this is a better reason to lynch Wiggles than to lynch debears. Maybe debears doesn't have 10 pages in his filter, but he has been really pushing hard on Toad and now you. I disagree with his conclusions, but I can at least see the possible town motivation for what he's been doing (if he strongly feels that Toad and you are scum). WigglesI think Wiggles is most likely to flip scum. I see a lot more scum motivation than town motivation for his post about Eywa and huge delay before giving scumreads. Also, as pointed about by yamato, it is convenient that his top scumread turns out to be zelblade. I don't like all the posts he has made this game where he pushes no reads whatsoever. He spends a lot of time in the beginning of the game goofing around, in the middle of the day unproductively bantering about people, and toward the end of the day talking about why "Palmar can't be trusted". Overall, debears does a better job convincing me that he is actually trying to find scum. I think you guys should all look at Wiggles's filter, and see how little scumhunting he's done this game. I think he's our best lynch, and I think he's more likely to flip scum than not. Please strongly consider voting him with me. ##Vote Mr. Wiggles On December 21 2012 03:12 Morbidius wrote:
I'm way more confident in a wiggles lynch right now his posts have been very scummy while my suspicion over my other reads have weakened. He has been shooting accusations at everyone and hoping one of them works. Also his ''case'' on palmar is the dumbest thing i've read so far.
##unvote
##vote Mr. Wiggles Look at the timestamps. Those three votes are made one after the other http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17303299Now, look at the rest of Morb's filter. He says multiple times that he finds Wiggles scummy, yet he doesn't want to vote Wiggles until everyone else does. And when they do, he does it in a snap reactionOn December 21 2012 01:21 Morbidius wrote:
Vote count please?
I got a slightly scum vibe from Wiggles and i do think a day 1 lynch is better than no lynch. Morb fits the mold of a scum too weak to fight the lynch. He agreed that Wiggle's looked scummy most of the day, yet he didn't put his vote where his posts were until 4 others did so. He also did it immediately after. That is scummy as shit
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On December 21 2012 15:20 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 15:14 debears wrote:
Ok guys next post coming up will be my last before the night ends due to flights and all.
Anyways, please actually read these and reread my earlier case on iamp. I have read through the thread and have determined the best direction for us moving forward, assuming I get shot by the vig (since Yamato and Toad so kindly called for him to shoot me over the fucking lurkers in stutter and vivax)
Vig, if you're listening, do not shoot prom. He's generally active from what I've seen. We should be able to get a read on him.
Stutters would be the best shot due to him being unreadable. Vivax is up there also Now you're just lying. I never said you should be shot. I said you should hang. I want to see who defends you like you defended wiggles.
w/e i thought someone besides toad did say it
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On December 21 2012 15:43 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:45 debears wrote:On December 19 2012 09:42 sciberbia wrote:On December 19 2012 09:36 iamperfection wrote:On December 19 2012 09:35 Stutters695 wrote:
Ebwop: thought so, internet sarcasm just isn't my thing.
Anyway miller talk is pointless. If someone else rolled miller they should claim and we lynch the scummier of the two, otherwise it's a non issue until later down the line. After a few flips discussion on setup would have more meaning but currently it's pointless.
Yamato if you're only making ten posts per cycle or whatever please try to make them higher quality/don't start that until we have stuff to discuss. but but what if they are actually both millers.......... lynch the scum dawg If I understand the setup correctly, there can be a maximum of one real miller. Keirathi replaced Innocent Child from C9++ with miller, and there can be a maximum of 1 Innocent Child in C9++. Therefore, it is very important that if anybody else is a miller, that they counterclaim. I still don't understand the sarcasm, but apparently yamato is actually claiming miller. So unless there is a counterclaim, I'm inclined to believe him. Why so eager to believe an uncounterclaimed miller? Someone said there's a 60% chance there isn't a miller. We should just ignore the claim and judge him by his actions Dibbers, were you being a sarcastic ass here or did you really not know that it was the Sciberian who had given you those stats? Serious question. Please answer. Along with my earlier post to Eywa, I'd just like to add that I hate roleplayers. Please stop it and provide actual content. I know that you have stopped being Victor but please please please continue just being you and posting what you want to post. why do you think that no-lynch is optimal d1 for town? Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 23:39 Palmar wrote:
Also I don't mind lynching the roleplayer. What is it about a role player that is lynchable to you? Imp: what changed between here Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:58 iamperfection wrote:On December 20 2012 02:36 zelblade wrote:Regarding eywa, I do find him pretty suspicious. First is obviously the roleplaying, and there are also a couple of posts I find questionable. + Show Spoiler +I would like to examine the current situation and weigh in on mathematics. Generally speaking, there is a 75% or higher chance that if we kill someone on the first day that we will end up in a worse predicament than we currently are. I understand that our streets have been taken over by scum at night, but fear is not a reason to lose all our civil rights and obligations. As a productive member of society and an established citizen of this town, I plead that we take it easy today and allow our local police force to run their investigations before we strike. I presume that this is an attempt to get us to no-lynch. (Correct me if I am wrong) I generally do not agree with a no-lynch as it is a waste of a day, but merely suggesting so obviously isnt scummy. What I do not like though is that he simply mentions it in passing, gets shot down by iamperfection and never mentions it again. If he believes that a no lynch would be beneficial for town, why doesnt he attempt to push for one but merely just bring it up once? Seems possible that he is trying to derail the thread into lynch vs no lynch but decides to just back out. + Show Spoiler +Well, I was pretty drunk last night as I was out late at the Tavern... As I wander home, I stumbled and fell... A strange figure walked out from the shadows, though I could not make out his face, I dare not show myself as he seemed rather keen on making sure no one was about. I think he might be planning something... I could only guess at this point, but the figure kind of seemed similar to that of debears, I can't say for sure.
My head is spinning a little bit now that I think of it, it was a little too much action for me last night. However, I did see sciberbia and iamperfection at the Tavern as well, so I doubt they have anything to do with it. This post is also pretty problematic imo. I assume that he is saying that he feels that sciberbia & iamprefection are town and that dbears is scum. I dont understand why he would decide to post his reads randomly as town. As mentioned by toad, these reads serve no purpose without any reasoning behind them. Furthermore, it does not seem that he intends to push dbears at all - so why mention that he thinks dbears is scummy? That said though, I kind of doubt that scum would have the balls to pull something like this as it draws alot of attention and it is somewhat likely that he would get lynched for it. Leaning scum slightly for now, will wait for his case on whoever. Stutters is another person I find suspicious. I generally agree with Vivax's case on him. Also find his accusation onto Mordbidus kind of wierd, as it seemed pretty clear to me that it obviously wasnt a scumslip and thus not a legit accusation. Could be trying to pull attention of himself? how can you say your suspicios of eywa and not comment on his palmar case also i like eywa now he is playing better looks town now pretty strong town maybe even my strongest town read. ##unvote where Eywa was your strongest town read and here Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 13:16 iamperfection wrote:
Debars is being extremly awful or is scum
Morbio list thing was bad too have to look more at him tommorrow.
Dont bother looking at scribers and palmer they are town
Palmar could have lead the lynch anywhere and he lead it to scum.
Scribbers has been super townie and largely responsible for getting Wiggles lynched.
Might need to look at stutters more he hasn't done shit. where Eywa is not mentioned as a townie? Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:52 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 20 2012 04:43 yamato77 wrote:On December 20 2012 04:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Eywa, I like you style, screw the haters. One question though: You make this post: On December 19 2012 23:51 Eywa- wrote:
I would like to examine the current situation and weigh in on mathematics. Generally speaking, there is a 75% or higher chance that if we kill someone on the first day that we will end up in a worse predicament than we currently are. I understand that our streets have been taken over by scum at night, but fear is not a reason to lose all our civil rights and obligations. As a productive member of society and an established citizen of this town, I plead that we take it easy today and allow our local police force to run their investigations before we strike. Saying that you'd like us to consider going for a no-lynch on Day 1 and just waiting for Day 2, so that we can possibly get a check in, or at the very least have something to talk about. Later, you come in with your analysis of Palmar, which is cool that you made it, but after re-reading, one thing that stuck out to me was that a majority of the posts and behaviour of Palmar that you draw on comes from before you made your no-lynch post. In-between your no-lynch post and your analysis, you were called out by a couple players for not commenting on the game (which I disagree with, but whatever). So, the analysis came after that. So, my question to you, is when did you become suspicious of Palmar? The timing of the post combined with the posts you draw from don't really fit when put into the context of your no-lynch post. You ask to no-lynch, then later you make a post saying Palmar is scum, which is fine, because you can change your mind, but your analysis is all based on stuff Palmar did before your no-lynch post, so if you found it to be so scummy, why didn't it strike you before? So, to me, it looks like you made your no-lynch post, got shut down, then went back and looked for someone to make a case on. What gives? No lynch was never going to happen (even if it is a good play in some situations), it was simply a post for me to bide my time to look at the players and see what they can come up with. I can't drop the role play until I come out with a solid argument. I determined the scum with certainty and I analysed how every single one of his posts just ooze of scum. Once that was done, I could drop the initial act and get the town behind lynching a scum. No, what you did was post useless shit, then come out with a bunch of posts taken out if context read with supreme confirmation bias. I am not impressed. ##Vote Eywa This is possibly the dumbest vote I've seen in a long time. WBG: is the above comment suggesting that Yamato is town? That is how I read it since you both called it dumb and did not call him scum. Please clarify your read on the Yam man. You also had this little gem Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 06:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
And Wiggles also actually. Although I have something in my notes that is not making sense so I'm going to reread. on wiggles, I don't get what you had to say here. He might be town or maybe not let me go back. After going back you say: Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 06:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
so since we agree on wiggles, why don't we just kill him then?
I'll wait till you read zelblade at least. I can see your reasoning but obviously we disagree in conclusions. what changed in there? What was it in your notes which didn't make sense and why did you suddenly agree on scum wiggles? Yamato: I don't know if you have officially dropped your post restriction or just upped your limit. Either way you need to start posting content. Forgo the post restriction and instead force yourself to only make post with a certain word count. I dunno but this is not working out for you. Vivax: you really had to fish for a reason to get on that Wiggles lynch didn't you? Consolidation? In a plurality lynch...
Lol I actually didn't know who made the comment until I looked back after I posted. Then I kinda giggled to myself
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Let's kill morbidius tomorrow, he promised a case on me, didn't provide it. He voted wiggles when wiggles already had a bunch of votes and didn't satisfactorily justify that vote either.
If there's one thing scum do pretty often, it's say they'll contribute and then fail to do so.
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Is your new town meta to try to kill townies so we don't know when you're scum? Or are you just scum this game?
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nah I wanted to kill Wiggles, but the people on him made me really confused.
I am still very confused at how easily he died. There was literally no opposition to his lynch.
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that and my opinion pinballed every time someone new said something about Wiggles. Most of the time it was just meaningless air and no one saw what I saw about wiggles.
One thing that was especially weird was Toad's comment on wiggles. I had noticed that wiggles was playing dota instead of being on here, and that drew a small concern for me (but I usually don't use out-of-game elements anymore to catch people, otherwise I might have mentioned it). However, Toad actually defended Wiggles on that front, which is just weird. I expected anyone who saw Wiggles playing dota and not posting here to call him scum.
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prom and debars are not thinking critically at all.
Eywa made a case on palmar which i dont think a scum is likely to do.
He then went afk and dropped a vote on yamato with no reasoning. so yeah he is no longer my strongest town read.
so
strike 1 for you prom for not thinking critically .
and strike 3456435535 for you debars.
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also your points on my reaction to wiggles make no sense i could have easily jumped on his bandwagon at anytime if i wanted to bus him.
Also are you saying i put the spotlight on him when i called him out for his bs.
give me a break debars stop being awful.
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On December 21 2012 13:03 Promethelax wrote:
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Toad: I think I saw you asking Wiggles about his reads on you/Palmar/WBG what are your thoughts on his answers now that he has flipped? What are your thoughts on the other two guys? You three are the vets I respect most who are in this game and I'd like reads from all three of you on the other two.
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I considered it incredibly weird that Wiggles wasn't pushing or at least scared of any of us 3. He answered trying to dodge the question, not willing to say something concrete, basicly saying that he doesn't want to lynch any of us. Completly ignoring bugs, completly ignoring me, saying Palmar MIGHT be a lynch later on.
So that was one of the reasons I was reassured about the Wiggles-lynch. Also he kept talking the way I accused him to talk: political correctness, without getting to a point to please the masses with cute phrases, might have also been him being from Canada though :p
About us 3 I still feel bad about WBG but saying I want to lynch him would be incredibly retarded :p
Palmar looks obviously good and I am town, so no need to talk about the two of us (from my point of view). I really don't think team mafia consists of WBG + Wiggles, so we leave him alive because the only way for my early read on him to be correct is if he flips SK and there's just no reason to search for an SK so early on when we don't need to and don't even know what the NK's look like.
Basicly it's like this: If we / you guys lynch two more mafias and the game is not over we lynch Bugs. As long as that scenario doesn't seem to appear we drag him along.
About the other 2 mafias + Show Spoiler [click me] +yeah... I don't know the number of mafias in the game but let's be honst...
If I had to make a call right now I'd say morb + debears but I haven't looked to much into morb at all, so it's more of a gut-feeling. I really didn't like his weird vote.
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On December 21 2012 18:40 wherebugsgo wrote:
that and my opinion pinballed every time someone new said something about Wiggles. Most of the time it was just meaningless air and no one saw what I saw about wiggles.
One thing that was especially weird was Toad's comment on wiggles. I had noticed that wiggles was playing dota instead of being on here, and that drew a small concern for me (but I usually don't use out-of-game elements anymore to catch people, otherwise I might have mentioned it). However, Toad actually defended Wiggles on that front, which is just weird. I expected anyone who saw Wiggles playing dota and not posting here to call him scum.
So you think I'd get in here and tell people that Wiggles is mafia because he was playing dota, like I myself did as well? That doesn't seem to make sense.
I wasn't defending him either, I just mentioned it and stated that it was part of my earlier doubts.
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did Eywa- get lost and drunk at that tavern of his again?
where you go bro?
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this is c9++, the # of mafia is almost certainly 3. SK doesn't really matter for now, unless we see 2 kills.
On December 21 2012 23:26 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 18:40 wherebugsgo wrote:
that and my opinion pinballed every time someone new said something about Wiggles. Most of the time it was just meaningless air and no one saw what I saw about wiggles.
One thing that was especially weird was Toad's comment on wiggles. I had noticed that wiggles was playing dota instead of being on here, and that drew a small concern for me (but I usually don't use out-of-game elements anymore to catch people, otherwise I might have mentioned it). However, Toad actually defended Wiggles on that front, which is just weird. I expected anyone who saw Wiggles playing dota and not posting here to call him scum. So you think I'd get in here and tell people that Wiggles is mafia because he was playing dota, like I myself did as well? That doesn't seem to make sense. I wasn't defending him either, I just mentioned it and stated that it was part of my earlier doubts.
Well, you did bus VE in LI. It's not out of the ordinary for you to do something incredibly stupid as scum. At this point it's not likely, but I just found it strange that you chose him playing dota as a doubt of your read on him.
As for who is scum, just look no further than morbidius.
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I'm reading backwards and am currently at page 28, I'm wondering why no one is noticing Morbidius strange posting.
From last to first:
On December 21 2012 09:56 Morbidius wrote:
I'd like to ask for everyone's opinion on Eywa.
On December 21 2012 11:01 Morbidius wrote:
Some thoughts so far:
Problably town:
Sciberbia
Palmar
leaning town:
Yamato
Vivax
WBG
Leaning scum:
Stutters
Debears
I need more time to make reads on the ones i didn't mention.
On December 21 2012 08:10 Morbidius wrote:
If wiggles is town(which is hard) vigi should feel free to shoot vivax.
On December 21 2012 03:44 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 03:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 21 2012 03:12 Morbidius wrote:
I'm way more confident in a wiggles lynch right now his posts have been very scummy while my suspicion over my other reads have weakened. He has been shooting accusations at everyone and hoping one of them works. Also his ''case'' on palmar is the dumbest thing i've read so far.
##unvote
##vote Mr. Wiggles The fuck is this? Some of these posts are shady as fuck. Particularly this one. The fact you're still playing offensively and accusing people after people unvote you is kinda refreshing.
His weird action of voting just after sciberbia and Toad did to which he never answered.
Or the post right up there, where he implies that one shouldn't suspect people when they unvote you, where he also avoided me calling him out on it.
What catches my attention the most is the second last post where he says vig should shoot me, it gives me the feeling that he knew about Wiggles' alignment, and implying that I'd have been scum if he flipped town (which I don't understand at all) he now found the reason to put me into his "slightly town" category of a list, I believe that's cause he realized he wouldn't be able to push a lynch on me and needed an excuse to retreat from it.
I didn't read properly into the Toad/deb/Iamp triad yet, but it looks to me like there might be a lot of OMGUS involved. I remember deb voting for both of them before this shitstorm started.
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On December 21 2012 23:40 wherebugsgo wrote:this is c9++, the # of mafia is almost certainly 3. SK doesn't really matter for now, unless we see 2 kills. Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 23:26 Toadesstern wrote:On December 21 2012 18:40 wherebugsgo wrote:
that and my opinion pinballed every time someone new said something about Wiggles. Most of the time it was just meaningless air and no one saw what I saw about wiggles.
One thing that was especially weird was Toad's comment on wiggles. I had noticed that wiggles was playing dota instead of being on here, and that drew a small concern for me (but I usually don't use out-of-game elements anymore to catch people, otherwise I might have mentioned it). However, Toad actually defended Wiggles on that front, which is just weird. I expected anyone who saw Wiggles playing dota and not posting here to call him scum. So you think I'd get in here and tell people that Wiggles is mafia because he was playing dota, like I myself did as well? That doesn't seem to make sense. I wasn't defending him either, I just mentioned it and stated that it was part of my earlier doubts. Well, you did bus VE in LI. It's not out of the ordinary for you to do something incredibly stupid as scum. At this point it's not likely, but I just found it strange that you chose him playing dota as a doubt of your read on him. As for who is scum, just look no further than morbidius.
Okay let's picture the situation just to get straight what you're saying right now:
I am playing dota with Hassy and Greymist; Wiggles is joining as well and my reaction should be "that dude is playing dota instead of posting in the thread, just like I am. Given that I am doing the exact same thing as town I should probably take 'playing dota instead of posting in the thread* as a mafia-treat because frankly my sample-size I've got proves that 100% of townies I know do the exact same thing."
Sounds legit.
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On December 21 2012 23:42 Vivax wrote:
I'm reading backwards and am currently at page 28, I'm wondering why no one is noticing Morbidius strange posting.
From last to first:
you're wondering that because you didn't read the thread properly.
I've been calling out morbidius for a while now.
On December 22 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 23:40 wherebugsgo wrote:this is c9++, the # of mafia is almost certainly 3. SK doesn't really matter for now, unless we see 2 kills. On December 21 2012 23:26 Toadesstern wrote:On December 21 2012 18:40 wherebugsgo wrote:
that and my opinion pinballed every time someone new said something about Wiggles. Most of the time it was just meaningless air and no one saw what I saw about wiggles.
One thing that was especially weird was Toad's comment on wiggles. I had noticed that wiggles was playing dota instead of being on here, and that drew a small concern for me (but I usually don't use out-of-game elements anymore to catch people, otherwise I might have mentioned it). However, Toad actually defended Wiggles on that front, which is just weird. I expected anyone who saw Wiggles playing dota and not posting here to call him scum. So you think I'd get in here and tell people that Wiggles is mafia because he was playing dota, like I myself did as well? That doesn't seem to make sense. I wasn't defending him either, I just mentioned it and stated that it was part of my earlier doubts. Well, you did bus VE in LI. It's not out of the ordinary for you to do something incredibly stupid as scum. At this point it's not likely, but I just found it strange that you chose him playing dota as a doubt of your read on him. As for who is scum, just look no further than morbidius. Okay let's picture the situation just to get straight what you're saying right now: I am playing dota with Hassy and Greymist; Wiggles is joining as well and my reaction should be "that dude is playing dota instead of posting in the thread, just like I am. Given that I am doing the exact same thing as town I should probably take 'playing dota instead of posting in the thread* as a mafia-treat because frankly my sample-size I've got proves that 100% of townies I know do the exact same thing."Sounds legit.
sometimes, you say such stupid shit, it's really fucking frustrating. This is one of those moments.
Here's the difference:
At the time I made the observation, you were posting. He was not.
Get it?
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On December 22 2012 00:23 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 23:42 Vivax wrote:
I'm reading backwards and am currently at page 28, I'm wondering why no one is noticing Morbidius strange posting.
From last to first: you're wondering that because you didn't read the thread properly. I've been calling out morbidius for a while now. Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On December 21 2012 23:40 wherebugsgo wrote:this is c9++, the # of mafia is almost certainly 3. SK doesn't really matter for now, unless we see 2 kills. On December 21 2012 23:26 Toadesstern wrote:On December 21 2012 18:40 wherebugsgo wrote:
that and my opinion pinballed every time someone new said something about Wiggles. Most of the time it was just meaningless air and no one saw what I saw about wiggles.
One thing that was especially weird was Toad's comment on wiggles. I had noticed that wiggles was playing dota instead of being on here, and that drew a small concern for me (but I usually don't use out-of-game elements anymore to catch people, otherwise I might have mentioned it). However, Toad actually defended Wiggles on that front, which is just weird. I expected anyone who saw Wiggles playing dota and not posting here to call him scum. So you think I'd get in here and tell people that Wiggles is mafia because he was playing dota, like I myself did as well? That doesn't seem to make sense. I wasn't defending him either, I just mentioned it and stated that it was part of my earlier doubts. Well, you did bus VE in LI. It's not out of the ordinary for you to do something incredibly stupid as scum. At this point it's not likely, but I just found it strange that you chose him playing dota as a doubt of your read on him. As for who is scum, just look no further than morbidius. Okay let's picture the situation just to get straight what you're saying right now: I am playing dota with Hassy and Greymist; Wiggles is joining as well and my reaction should be "that dude is playing dota instead of posting in the thread, just like I am. Given that I am doing the exact same thing as town I should probably take 'playing dota instead of posting in the thread* as a mafia-treat because frankly my sample-size I've got proves that 100% of townies I know do the exact same thing."Sounds legit. sometimes, you say such stupid shit, it's really fucking frustrating. This is one of those moments. Here's the difference: At the time I made the observation, you were posting. He was not. Get it?
I know that I posted more than Wiggles and you should know that posting a bunch isn't indicating anything at all when we're talking about me, so we're left alone with the Dota-observation.
I posted this to make you think about my situation because you said I should have considered it weird. Maybe it was from your point of view but it simply wasn't for me.
I didn't see him play dota. I actively played dota with him myself, being on skype and all. Calling him out on that while I'm playing dota myself, WITH HIM, while I'm part of the reason he's playing (alongside with Hassy and Greymist) would be the most backwards thing ever.
Anyways this is going nowhere. You apparently think I should have considered it weird. I don't. Not that shitting up the thread is a realistic threat during night-phases but I'm already posting way more than I wanted to 
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Toad, you've been joking around about debears implying you had to be scum along with 3 others. What do you really think of him after all this Hickhack you've been doing with him?
+ Show Spoiler +Germans understand that word 
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On December 22 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 00:23 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 21 2012 23:42 Vivax wrote:
I'm reading backwards and am currently at page 28, I'm wondering why no one is noticing Morbidius strange posting.
From last to first: you're wondering that because you didn't read the thread properly. I've been calling out morbidius for a while now. On December 22 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On December 21 2012 23:40 wherebugsgo wrote:this is c9++, the # of mafia is almost certainly 3. SK doesn't really matter for now, unless we see 2 kills. On December 21 2012 23:26 Toadesstern wrote:On December 21 2012 18:40 wherebugsgo wrote:
that and my opinion pinballed every time someone new said something about Wiggles. Most of the time it was just meaningless air and no one saw what I saw about wiggles.
One thing that was especially weird was Toad's comment on wiggles. I had noticed that wiggles was playing dota instead of being on here, and that drew a small concern for me (but I usually don't use out-of-game elements anymore to catch people, otherwise I might have mentioned it). However, Toad actually defended Wiggles on that front, which is just weird. I expected anyone who saw Wiggles playing dota and not posting here to call him scum. So you think I'd get in here and tell people that Wiggles is mafia because he was playing dota, like I myself did as well? That doesn't seem to make sense. I wasn't defending him either, I just mentioned it and stated that it was part of my earlier doubts. Well, you did bus VE in LI. It's not out of the ordinary for you to do something incredibly stupid as scum. At this point it's not likely, but I just found it strange that you chose him playing dota as a doubt of your read on him. As for who is scum, just look no further than morbidius. Okay let's picture the situation just to get straight what you're saying right now: I am playing dota with Hassy and Greymist; Wiggles is joining as well and my reaction should be "that dude is playing dota instead of posting in the thread, just like I am. Given that I am doing the exact same thing as town I should probably take 'playing dota instead of posting in the thread* as a mafia-treat because frankly my sample-size I've got proves that 100% of townies I know do the exact same thing."Sounds legit. sometimes, you say such stupid shit, it's really fucking frustrating. This is one of those moments. Here's the difference: At the time I made the observation, you were posting. He was not. Get it? I know that I posted more than Wiggles and you should know that posting a bunch isn't indicating anything at all when we're talking about me, so we're left alone with the Dota-observation. I posted this to make you think about my situation because you said I should have considered it weird. Maybe it was from your point of view but it simply wasn't for me. I didn't see him play dota. I actively played dota with him myself, being on skype and all. Calling him out on that while I'm playing dota myself, WITH HIM, while I'm part of the reason he's playing (alongside with Hassy and Greymist) would be the most backwards thing ever. Anyways this is going nowhere. You apparently think I should have considered it weird. I don't. Not that shitting up the thread is a realistic threat during night-phases but I'm already posting way more than I wanted to
still fucking stupid.
Stop comparing wiggles to you, it has absolutely nothing to do with my argument. You have NOTHING to do with Wiggle's alignment.
jesus, I should just keep ignoring you, it'll preserve my sanity I think
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