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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22020 Posts
December 21 2012 16:14 GMT
#641
Let me reformulate it: You said you are leaning towards debears, yet didn't provide reasons for it. Instead you keep chewing on this dota stuff.

You feel like debears is scum and you didn't bother writing anything against him. If you're not OMGUSING in the most obvious way possible I don't see any townie reason for you to do so. It looks like you're joining Iamp without contributing anything at all to the push against your top scumread. You don't comment on debears latest posts either.
That's what I got from reading your participation in this triad, and it's quite passive and bad so far.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 21 2012 16:16 GMT
#642
On December 22 2012 01:02 Vivax wrote:
Toad, you've been joking around about debears implying you had to be scum along with 3 others. What do you really think of him after all this Hickhack you've been doing with him?

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On December 21 2012 06:32 debears wrote:
Lets not lynch wiggles his activity and fighting against sheeps makes me think more lilely town

##unvote
##vote zelblade


Unless anyone wants to join me with iamp

are troublesome and I'd gladly insta-lynch anyone posting something like that if I know him to be a decent player, which I don't.
Let's be honest here, a "sry got a bad feeling, won't vote Wiggles" without any more reasoning than that would have been better than that post.

Still think he's mafia over all. His reads are making a bit more sense result-wise + Show Spoiler +
imo, obviously can't speak with certainty...
, so we might want to have a look at that, especially if he survives the night with only 1 NK happening or 2 blatantly townish NK's instead of something that includes an WTF-NK.
Although the reads are better than what he said yesterday I still don't like how he's getting them. Like I just said, the post I quoted above; his reasoning for not wanting to lynch Wiggles is utterly horrible.

Bad thing is that NK's are probably not going to help us figure out anything
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22020 Posts
December 21 2012 16:17 GMT
#643
On December 21 2012 23:23 Toadesstern wrote:
*snip*
About the other 2 mafias + Show Spoiler [click me] +
yeah... I don't know the number of mafias in the game but let's be honst...
I'd say we should look into analyzing votes. Late Wiggles-voter or people who didn't vote Wiggles at all are considered nasty for now.
If I had to make a call right now I'd say morb + debears but I haven't looked to much into morb at all, so it's more of a gut-feeling. I really didn't like his weird vote.


This is the post in question I'm talking about.
Gah, I need to make more complete posts.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 21 2012 16:27 GMT
#644
On December 22 2012 01:16 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 01:02 Vivax wrote:
Toad, you've been joking around about debears implying you had to be scum along with 3 others. What do you really think of him after all this Hickhack you've been doing with him?

+ Show Spoiler +
Germans understand that word

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Show nested quote +
On December 21 2012 06:32 debears wrote:
Lets not lynch wiggles his activity and fighting against sheeps makes me think more lilely town

##unvote
##vote zelblade


Unless anyone wants to join me with iamp

are troublesome and I'd gladly insta-lynch anyone posting something like that if I know him to be a decent player, which I don't.
Let's be honest here, a "sry got a bad feeling, won't vote Wiggles" without any more reasoning than that would have been better than that post.

Still think he's mafia over all. His reads are making a bit more sense result-wise + Show Spoiler +
imo, obviously can't speak with certainty...
, so we might want to have a look at that, especially if he survives the night with only 1 NK happening or 2 blatantly townish NK's instead of something that includes an WTF-NK.
Although the reads are better than what he said yesterday I still don't like how he's getting them. Like I just said, the post I quoted above; his reasoning for not wanting to lynch Wiggles is utterly horrible.

Bad thing is that NK's are probably not going to help us figure out anything


Are you fucjing serious? You don't think the mafia is weak after a pretty much unopposed godfather lynch on day one.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 21 2012 16:29 GMT
#645
On December 22 2012 01:27 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 01:16 Toadesstern wrote:
On December 22 2012 01:02 Vivax wrote:
Toad, you've been joking around about debears implying you had to be scum along with 3 others. What do you really think of him after all this Hickhack you've been doing with him?

+ Show Spoiler +
Germans understand that word

Posts like these:
On December 21 2012 06:32 debears wrote:
Lets not lynch wiggles his activity and fighting against sheeps makes me think more lilely town

##unvote
##vote zelblade


Unless anyone wants to join me with iamp

are troublesome and I'd gladly insta-lynch anyone posting something like that if I know him to be a decent player, which I don't.
Let's be honest here, a "sry got a bad feeling, won't vote Wiggles" without any more reasoning than that would have been better than that post.

Still think he's mafia over all. His reads are making a bit more sense result-wise + Show Spoiler +
imo, obviously can't speak with certainty...
, so we might want to have a look at that, especially if he survives the night with only 1 NK happening or 2 blatantly townish NK's instead of something that includes an WTF-NK.
Although the reads are better than what he said yesterday I still don't like how he's getting them. Like I just said, the post I quoted above; his reasoning for not wanting to lynch Wiggles is utterly horrible.

Bad thing is that NK's are probably not going to help us figure out anything


Are you fucjing serious? You don't think the mafia is weak after a pretty much unopposed godfather lynch on day one.

What has that to do with what I just said?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22020 Posts
December 21 2012 16:31 GMT
#646
I don't like that you're speculating about the NK, and you'll need something more than that vote to nail debears.
It's not uncommon for townies to have their vote on the wrong place, I'm rather worried about those having their vote suddenly on the right place for no strong reason, like Morbidius.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 21 2012 16:32 GMT
#647
On December 22 2012 01:16 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 01:02 Vivax wrote:
Toad, you've been joking around about debears implying you had to be scum along with 3 others. What do you really think of him after all this Hickhack you've been doing with him?

+ Show Spoiler +
Germans understand that word

Posts like these:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2012 06:32 debears wrote:
Lets not lynch wiggles his activity and fighting against sheeps makes me think more lilely town

##unvote
##vote zelblade


Unless anyone wants to join me with iamp

are troublesome and I'd gladly insta-lynch anyone posting something like that if I know him to be a decent player, which I don't.
Let's be honest here, a "sry got a bad feeling, won't vote Wiggles" without any more reasoning than that would have been better than that post.

Still think he's mafia over all. His reads are making a bit more sense result-wise + Show Spoiler +
imo, obviously can't speak with certainty...
, so we might want to have a look at that, especially if he survives the night with only 1 NK happening or 2 blatantly townish NK's instead of something that includes an WTF-NK.
Although the reads are better than what he said yesterday I still don't like how he's getting them. Like I just said, the post I quoted above; his reasoning for not wanting to lynch Wiggles is utterly horrible.

Bad thing is that NK's are probably not going to help us figure out anything

iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9643 Posts
December 21 2012 16:33 GMT
#648
On December 22 2012 01:32 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 01:16 Toadesstern wrote:
On December 22 2012 01:02 Vivax wrote:
Toad, you've been joking around about debears implying you had to be scum along with 3 others. What do you really think of him after all this Hickhack you've been doing with him?

+ Show Spoiler +
Germans understand that word

Posts like these:
On December 21 2012 06:32 debears wrote:
Lets not lynch wiggles his activity and fighting against sheeps makes me think more lilely town

##unvote
##vote zelblade


Unless anyone wants to join me with iamp

are troublesome and I'd gladly insta-lynch anyone posting something like that if I know him to be a decent player, which I don't.
Let's be honest here, a "sry got a bad feeling, won't vote Wiggles" without any more reasoning than that would have been better than that post.

Still think he's mafia over all. His reads are making a bit more sense result-wise + Show Spoiler +
imo, obviously can't speak with certainty...
, so we might want to have a look at that, especially if he survives the night with only 1 NK happening or 2 blatantly townish NK's instead of something that includes an WTF-NK.
Although the reads are better than what he said yesterday I still don't like how he's getting them. Like I just said, the post I quoted above; his reasoning for not wanting to lynch Wiggles is utterly horrible.

Bad thing is that NK's are probably not going to help us figure out anything


yes you can use the bold feature whats your point?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9643 Posts
December 21 2012 16:35 GMT
#649
On December 22 2012 01:31 Vivax wrote:
I don't like that you're speculating about the NK, and you'll need something more than that vote to nail debears.
It's not uncommon for townies to have their vote on the wrong place, I'm rather worried about those having their vote suddenly on the right place for no strong reason, like Morbidius.

i agree with this. morbo needs to get back in here with some more stuff his list was bad and it is kind of look like his vote seemed to be trying to cash in that town cred in a very poor way.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 21 2012 16:39 GMT
#650
On December 22 2012 01:32 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 01:16 Toadesstern wrote:
On December 22 2012 01:02 Vivax wrote:
Toad, you've been joking around about debears implying you had to be scum along with 3 others. What do you really think of him after all this Hickhack you've been doing with him?

+ Show Spoiler +
Germans understand that word

Posts like these:
On December 21 2012 06:32 debears wrote:
Lets not lynch wiggles his activity and fighting against sheeps makes me think more lilely town

##unvote
##vote zelblade


Unless anyone wants to join me with iamp

are troublesome and I'd gladly insta-lynch anyone posting something like that if I know him to be a decent player, which I don't.
Let's be honest here, a "sry got a bad feeling, won't vote Wiggles" without any more reasoning than that would have been better than that post.

Still think he's mafia over all. His reads are making a bit more sense result-wise + Show Spoiler +
imo, obviously can't speak with certainty...
, so we might want to have a look at that, especially if he survives the night with only 1 NK happening or 2 blatantly townish NK's instead of something that includes an WTF-NK.
Although the reads are better than what he said yesterday I still don't like how he's getting them. Like I just said, the post I quoted above; his reasoning for not wanting to lynch Wiggles is utterly horrible.

Bad thing is that NK's are probably not going to help us figure out anything


let me reprhase: I don't like the reasoning you are providing for a lot of things you say/said earlier. Like the unvote on Wiggles. Like "Toad being lazy = Toad is mafia". Like saying I'm still probably mafia after the Wiggles lynch although you changed that one. Like saying iamP is mafia simply because he was after you (I don't think iamP is a shining beacon of townieness either btw, although it might have looked that way when talking to you).

The fact that the reads are better is enough to make me say I don't want you shot right now and take a closer look at you. I still think the best and by far most simple explanation is that you're just a mafia but saying it's out of the question that you're a misguided townie who tunneled like a mad man on d1 and therefor ruined your own game by throwing yourself off would be a lie. I'm considering those options right now.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 21 2012 16:39 GMT
#651
So how do people usually handle replacements? Give them a clean slate or?

Because I really don't like the way he entered the thread.

But apparently I'm scum if I want to lynch him so someone else has to say that.
Writer@WriterYamato
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 21 2012 16:42 GMT
#652
On December 22 2012 01:39 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 01:32 debears wrote:
On December 22 2012 01:16 Toadesstern wrote:
On December 22 2012 01:02 Vivax wrote:
Toad, you've been joking around about debears implying you had to be scum along with 3 others. What do you really think of him after all this Hickhack you've been doing with him?

+ Show Spoiler +
Germans understand that word

Posts like these:
On December 21 2012 06:32 debears wrote:
Lets not lynch wiggles his activity and fighting against sheeps makes me think more lilely town

##unvote
##vote zelblade


Unless anyone wants to join me with iamp

are troublesome and I'd gladly insta-lynch anyone posting something like that if I know him to be a decent player, which I don't.
Let's be honest here, a "sry got a bad feeling, won't vote Wiggles" without any more reasoning than that would have been better than that post.

Still think he's mafia over all. His reads are making a bit more sense result-wise + Show Spoiler +
imo, obviously can't speak with certainty...
, so we might want to have a look at that, especially if he survives the night with only 1 NK happening or 2 blatantly townish NK's instead of something that includes an WTF-NK.
Although the reads are better than what he said yesterday I still don't like how he's getting them. Like I just said, the post I quoted above; his reasoning for not wanting to lynch Wiggles is utterly horrible.

Bad thing is that NK's are probably not going to help us figure out anything


let me reprhase: I don't like the reasoning you are providing for a lot of things you say/said earlier. Like the unvote on Wiggles. Like "Toad being lazy = Toad is mafia". Like saying I'm still probably mafia after the Wiggles lynch although you changed that one. Like saying iamP is mafia simply because he was after you (I don't think iamP is a shining beacon of townieness either btw, although it might have looked that way when talking to you).

The fact that the reads are better is enough to make me say I don't want you shot right now and take a closer look at you. I still think the best and by far most simple explanation is that you're just a mafia but saying it's out of the question that you're a misguided townie who tunneled like a mad man on d1 and therefor ruined your own game by throwing yourself off would be a lie. I'm considering those options right now.


Ok that makes sense
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 21 2012 16:44 GMT
#653
On December 22 2012 01:39 yamato77 wrote:
So how do people usually handle replacements? Give them a clean slate or?

Because I really don't like the way he entered the thread.

But apparently I'm scum if I want to lynch him so someone else has to say that.


I'd say just base it off proms play. Generally you give replacements a whole day to prove their worth.

If he really seems scummy going into lynch thene you lynch him.

There are others who look way scummier right now though
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9643 Posts
December 21 2012 16:54 GMT
#654
On December 22 2012 01:44 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 01:39 yamato77 wrote:
So how do people usually handle replacements? Give them a clean slate or?

Because I really don't like the way he entered the thread.

But apparently I'm scum if I want to lynch him so someone else has to say that.


I'd say just base it off proms play. Generally you give replacements a whole day to prove their worth.

If he really seems scummy going into lynch thene you lynch him.

There are others who look way scummier right now though

watch this.


I agree with debars.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 21 2012 17:02 GMT
#655
Okay so you guys are thinking morbidius, huh?

Because if you forgot, Vivax did the same scummy vote switch, only he did it much later after I called him out for being dumb with his vote.


On December 21 2012 08:25 Vivax wrote:
I've promised you a read on Wiggles, I've written quite a bit, but I don't even see the point in posting it since he's going to get lynched anyway.

I'll give you a tl;dr instead:

He first called out Eywa on his post on Palmar, then agreed with it.
He buddies WBG by agreeing on zelblade and defending him against me.
He starts throwing shit at the people voting for him.

The first point is pretty scummy since he's agreeing on a view he expressed suspicion against before, the other two are null, but bad play imo. I don't like buddying, and discrediting the people voting for you doesn't get you anywhere.

I'm voting for the sake of consolidation, I still think Morbidius is more scummy, if anyone would be so kind to actually force him to answer my question since he's feeling comfortable to avoid it while throwing shit at me?


##Unvote
##Vote MrWiggles

Just read that vote post. It smells like a bus.
Writer@WriterYamato
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22020 Posts
December 21 2012 17:12 GMT
#656
You should read what I wrote earlier regarding Wiggles, use your brain while counting to 1000, then post again.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 21 2012 17:18 GMT
#657
On December 22 2012 02:12 Vivax wrote:
You should read what I wrote earlier regarding Wiggles, use your brain while counting to 1000, then post again.

I don't see what suddenly exonerates you.

That being said, a look through your filter does make me see some, if only mild, town motivation.

I'll give you a pass for now.

But I'm not jumping on Morbidius just yet. That would be too easy.
Writer@WriterYamato
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22020 Posts
December 21 2012 17:21 GMT
#658
Thank you good sir. I would appreciate if you posted your own thoughts about Morbi though. If you don't think he's scum, you should have some motivation to persuade us, right?
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 21 2012 17:22 GMT
#659
I made a Ven-diagram to explain the situation:

[image loading]

People who voted WBG early on might be a mafia-treat. WBG was the most serious alternative to Wiggles besides Zelblade.
Zelblade hasn't flipped yet but I mentioned that I can't imagine Wiggles and WBG both being mafia. Worst case would be wiggles = mafia, WBG = SK imo. Zelblade is still open, so that's why I only include the WBG votes.
Also because the one flipped mafia voted WBG and obviously it's in mafias interest to not have Wiggles lynched, even if WBG is SK because they don't know that either.

people who voted Wiggles late = the last 3 people imo. Could have added sciberbia if your definition of "late" is "exactly after majority has been reached" but I'd say that's too drastic.

Vivax might be getting bonus points for voting morbidius but that's just speculation as long as neither of them flipped.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 21 2012 17:35 GMT
#660
On December 22 2012 02:21 Vivax wrote:
Thank you good sir. I would appreciate if you posted your own thoughts about Morbi though. If you don't think he's scum, you should have some motivation to persuade us, right?

It's night in the game and I have to go to work in 2 hours so maybe I'll make a more convincing case for someone else that will make you all forget about Wiggles after the day post.

If for some reason mafia decides to shoot me, I guess you guys should really take a look at Palmar. I know that's just throwing more WIFOM at the situation but I don't know why any competent mafia would shoot me over Palmar. There may well be another good target I'm not thinking of but we'll see.
Writer@WriterYamato
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