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On December 22 2012 02:35 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 02:21 Vivax wrote:
Thank you good sir. I would appreciate if you posted your own thoughts about Morbi though. If you don't think he's scum, you should have some motivation to persuade us, right? It's night in the game and I have to go to work in 2 hours so maybe I'll make a more convincing case for someone else that will make you all forget about Morbidius after the day post. If for some reason mafia decides to shoot me, I guess you guys should really take a look at Palmar. I know that's just throwing more WIFOM at the situation but I don't know why any competent mafia would shoot me over Palmar. There may well be another good target I'm not thinking of but we'll see.
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awwww. You spammed my beautiful ven-diagram away.
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Toad: I know you haven't played with Dibbers before and aren't sure if he is a good player. He is. So don't let him get away with stuff that you see as stupid or scummy. He isn't stupid.
Yamato: I don't understand why you don't like the way I came into the thread. Explain. All you have said is that it was negative. And yes, I called some people out and had some things to say. I just caught up on 30 or so pages, of course I had some negatives to point out and I'm not really all that into back patting after a good lynch. Glad we got mafia d1 but I'm more interested in getting mafia d2 as well.
Vivax: why are you tunneling Morb so hard to the exclusion of reading the thread? More people than you have called out Morb's weird ass voting including me. So get your shit together and read the game.
Imp: asking you to explain why your reads changed isn't about Eywa, its about you. I have my own read on Eywa based on his play what I wanted was a read on you and since you hadn't explained why he went from a guy you would defend with your life d1 to a guy not on your townie list d2 I figured it was worth asking.
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Toad...I HAD to write a read on Wiggles, I promised I would. Sorry if I found him to be scummy enough for the vote afterwards, but of what use would it have been to keep my vote on Morbidius?
If anything, the vote I delivered is the exact opposite of what mafia would have wanted.
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If mafia shoot you, Yamato, over Palmar, WBG, Toad, Debears, Imp, Sci or Me I'll be shocked. (obviously if those guys are mafia I'll be less shocked but what I'm saying is there is a lot of talent in this game that is worth hitting for mafia all of whom are known for being useful to town which, no offense, you are not known for).
Vivax, why you gotta wifom so hard?
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On December 22 2012 02:43 Vivax wrote:
Toad...I HAD to write a read on Wiggles, I promised I would. Sorry if I found him to be scummy enough for the vote afterwards, but of what use would it have been to keep my vote on Morbidius?
If anything, the vote I delivered is the exact opposite of what mafia would have wanted.
I didn't include any read at all in my diagram. It was just completly objective looking at 2 mafiatreats given the situation:
1) voting WBG
2) voting Wiggles late
Both things mafia would have liked to do because they want someone other than wiggles dead / because they want to only switch to wiggles if it's really looking like he's going to get lynched.
No analysis beyond those two points, just old fashioned vote-analysis.
I'm in no way saying the both of you are mafia (because of it). I'm saying those circumstances look bad because you and morbidius happen to have done both.
We could include the "voted Wiggles early" category, which would make me look a bit better on that diagram and it would include Yamato+Palmar but there's really no reason to include town-reads in a voting-analysis.
About who's going to be shot: Yeah there's really no way anyone but Palmar's going to be shot unless Mafia is REALLY scared about a medic, but even if they are I don't see them going after any of the other alternatives.
There's really no wifom. If we got a medic that guy protects Palmar :p
And I'm really not scared about Palmar at all, even if he survives and someone else dies (unlikely) because Palmar is someone who's pretty easy to read as days go by. It's gotten harder ever since he changed his town-meta but that's the reason for saying "it's pretty easy" instead of saying "it's incredibly easy to read Palmar".
Palmar just can't play mafia. comparable to Sandroba.
+ Show Spoiler [wifom] +If it really is Wiggles + Palmar being mafia they would have bussed Palmar to give wiggles mass towncred and not the other way around because as I just said, Palmar is pretty easy to read as mafia beyond d2 or d3
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I had enough shit to do yesterday to not be able to post a read about Wiggles early enough for you to not look scummy.
I'm town, I promised I would post, I delivered and am scummy for it.
I know it made me look bad, but it was set to look bad from the moment I had promised my read on Wiggles, cause I didn't know he was the fucking godfather.
This was the last time I promised reads in advance.
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Ya, jailkeeper on palmar is the only right choice here. The joys of us only having JK and not Doc is also that if Palmar is scum (something I'm always paranoid about with strong players) we'll still Roleblock him.
Toad, along with your vote analysis implicating Viv and Morb do you feel it exonerates those early voters you talked about? yamato and Palmar and maybe yourself?
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Don't be dumb Vivax. No longer promising reads will not help you at all. Stop whining about how you look bad and find more scum. That is the only way to look better as town or scum.
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On December 22 2012 02:46 Promethelax wrote:
If mafia shoot you, Yamato, over Palmar, WBG, Toad, Debears, Imp, Sci or Me I'll be shocked. (obviously if those guys are mafia I'll be less shocked but what I'm saying is there is a lot of talent in this game that is worth hitting for mafia all of whom are known for being useful to town which, no offense, you are not known for).
Vivax, why you gotta wifom so hard?
What I'm saying is that I have been useful to town this game, with only Palmar, or perhaps Sciberbia, being more instrumental to the D1 lynch. My reputation outside of this game doesn't matter to my assessment, which I am sure it does to others' specifically yourself and your insistence that I am not a positive town force.
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You weren't instrumental to the lynch. You were an early bandwaggoner. Those are two very different things and you would do well to learn the difference. Look, I think you are town but playing badly so this is a waste of both our time, lets not shit up the thread more with this unless you think it is worth pursuing because you think I am scum. Deal?
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On December 22 2012 03:02 Promethelax wrote:
Ya, jailkeeper on palmar is the only right choice here. The joys of us only having JK and not Doc is also that if Palmar is scum (something I'm always paranoid about with strong players) we'll still Roleblock him.
Toad, along with your vote analysis implicating Viv and Morb do you feel it exonerates those early voters you talked about? yamato and Palmar and maybe yourself?
Yeah I do. - Yamato is the guy who claimed miller d1 so saying he's not town would be really far fetched if you look at the situation in total. The early vote on Wiggles is just another point towards that.
- Palmar is the reason Wiggles ended up as a candidate to begin with and Palmar nailed him.
- I was the guy who was responsible for the only real alternative (mind if I say: it happened before Wiggles became an option) and I stepped back from voting WBG and voted Wiggles instead. The guy who initiated votes on WBG (imo) unvoting WBG to vote Wiggles isntead is a pretty strong tell imo. But it's about me, so I'm obviously subjective on that matter.
I just don't see a reason why any of us should vote Wiggles the way we did at the time we did. I get that WBG is paranoid because of LI but just because I'm good as mafia doesn't mean I'm mafia because I did something that strongly points towards me being town...
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Oh and btw, inb4 people screaming "WOAH TOAD TALKING ABOUT TOWNREADS DURING NIGHT!".
I really don't care about that right now. As mentioned, Palmar is going to be shot most likely, there's no reason not to make people like myself or Yamato a target because we won't be shot.
EVEN if one of us ends up being shot, which is highly unlikely, I'd say it's a good deal to have Palmar around instead of Yamato or myself :p
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excellent thanks for the reads. I agree with you on Yamato and Palmar. My thoughts on you I will keep to myself for the time being as I don't see any benefit to town of sharing them and doubt I'm under much threat of a nk while people like you and Palmar and WBG are in this game.
Which of Vivax and Morb do you find more suspicious for their play instead of for their votes?
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Iceland22632 Posts
Maybe we should hang prom for being dumb.
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Hard to tell. Haven't really looked into their filter besides a realy quick look. I think I stated somewhere d1 that I like lynching people I played multiple games with d1 so I usually ignore people I never played with before early on and that's simply the case here.
From what I've seen it's Morb but I would categorize it as a gut-feeling right now.
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Feel free Palmar, but I'm town so its a waste of your time. What about me is dumb?
Toad, which players have you played with who are in this game?
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On December 22 2012 03:32 Promethelax wrote:
Feel free Palmar, but I'm town so its a waste of your time. What about me is dumb?
Toad, which players have you played with who are in this game?
Both of Zelblade and Prom,
I think I coached a game or watched a game with sciberbia but might be wrong on that one,
WBG,
iamperfection,
I think I coached a game or watched a game with Vivax but might be wrong on that one,
Wiggles,
Palmar.
I think that's it. It's actually quite a lot of people I haven't played with because I did that 2-3 month mafia pause and there's a lot of new guys I don't know. Makes me a sad Toad 
I really hate judging people I never played with before, especially if they're new guys.
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And I'm off on a long car ride to visit my family. Hopefully there will be some more action here before I get back. I don't think I'll make night deadline but I will be here during the night phase to talk things out(unless for some reason I get shot, but I find that unlikely).
see you guys!
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Iceland22632 Posts
Where did that useless ballplayer go?
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