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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
Yay we hung scum and im still here! Good job town!
Robo + Frog in first group lol; High5 Oats 
I think it's clear right now that either Oats or myself should be party leader. I don't really care who, just as long as we both make it into the group. Barring some unforeseen circumstance, we should be able to cruise through our next challenge.
I will gather my thoughts, smoke a bowl, then make a case on a few people we should bring with us.
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@Keir:
On November 22 2012 05:49 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 05:47 iamperfection wrote:On November 22 2012 05:47 Keirathi wrote:On November 22 2012 05:47 iamperfection wrote:On November 22 2012 05:45 Keirathi wrote:On November 22 2012 05:42 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 05:38 Keirathi wrote:On November 22 2012 05:36 phagga wrote:On November 22 2012 02:40 syllogism wrote:
CaveJohnson who are you? It would be helpful to know in order to determine whether you should "know better" than to say some of the things you have said. Obviously the fact that you chose to use that account suggests that you don't want us to know, but if you are town it would be in your best interest to reconsider. I don't like your posts either, although the fact you said you don't want to be picked for the mission is slightly towny, depending on your reasoning, which I expect you to later reveal. why is that townie? I would expect a townie to want to be part of every mission if possible, as it will make sure that at least that spot is not occupied by scum (from that specific townies point of view). If a townie has a low "success modifier". I could see him not wanting to be picked especially in the early game where its much more likely that a scum (or two) are picked for the team inadvertently and it could cause mission loss. How the hell do you have any idea what your HIDDEN success modifier is? What CaveJohnson's post made me think of was 3rd party. I thought syllo was referring to the fact that a 3rd party didn't want to come along on the mission was "townie", because he at least cares enough about the town to warn them off. So why do you think I said that, then? do you know your success modifier? Not specifically, but yes. i dont understand I don't know "My 'success modifier' is 3." But I do know that I have a low success modifier.
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Did you take any damage last cycle?
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On November 25 2012 10:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Chronicler.
Hmm is there a scum reason for doing this?
YES THERE IS. Toad was under pressure last cycle, chronicler was also under pressure. So fake a 'dt' check and BAM TOAD IS SCUM
There is no doubt in my mind that the man is telling the truth. Lay off him.
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
On November 25 2012 10:52 goodkarma wrote:
That aside, I have no idea how role-claiming makes you any more qualified to be team leader... Might even make you less qualified since that information really only helps scum at this point.
Are you kidding? You can't possibly think of any reason why we might want Robo as party leader during his era?
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On November 25 2012 11:05 goodkarma wrote:@Keir:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 05:49 Keirathi wrote:On November 22 2012 05:47 iamperfection wrote:On November 22 2012 05:47 Keirathi wrote:On November 22 2012 05:47 iamperfection wrote:On November 22 2012 05:45 Keirathi wrote:On November 22 2012 05:42 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 05:38 Keirathi wrote:On November 22 2012 05:36 phagga wrote:On November 22 2012 02:40 syllogism wrote:
CaveJohnson who are you? It would be helpful to know in order to determine whether you should "know better" than to say some of the things you have said. Obviously the fact that you chose to use that account suggests that you don't want us to know, but if you are town it would be in your best interest to reconsider. I don't like your posts either, although the fact you said you don't want to be picked for the mission is slightly towny, depending on your reasoning, which I expect you to later reveal. why is that townie? I would expect a townie to want to be part of every mission if possible, as it will make sure that at least that spot is not occupied by scum (from that specific townies point of view). If a townie has a low "success modifier". I could see him not wanting to be picked especially in the early game where its much more likely that a scum (or two) are picked for the team inadvertently and it could cause mission loss. How the hell do you have any idea what your HIDDEN success modifier is? What CaveJohnson's post made me think of was 3rd party. I thought syllo was referring to the fact that a 3rd party didn't want to come along on the mission was "townie", because he at least cares enough about the town to warn them off. So why do you think I said that, then? do you know your success modifier? Not specifically, but yes. i dont understand I don't know "My 'success modifier' is 3." But I do know that I have a low success modifier.
Yes, but what question are you wanting me to answer?
My role pm specifically says something to the effect that any party I'm in has a lower chance of success.
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
On November 25 2012 11:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Did you take any damage last cycle?
I'd rather not say Sry, just self preservation.
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On November 25 2012 11:06 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 10:52 goodkarma wrote:
That aside, I have no idea how role-claiming makes you any more qualified to be team leader... Might even make you less qualified since that information really only helps scum at this point. Are you kidding? You can't possibly think of any reason why we might want Robo as party leader during his era?
Well, I don't know anything about Chrono Trigger, so I can't imagine a reason why we would necessarily want him as party LEADER. I could definitely understand why we want him in the party though, since this is his era and he likely gets bonuses from it.
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On November 25 2012 10:44 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 10:38 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 14:05 syllogism wrote:
I took 50 damage.
I'm going back to bed, but very briefly him suggesting that his modifier is likely low was something that probably makes people less likely pick him. He also pointed out the fact that if parties are announced in public, mafia has easier time choosing who to support and that was a pretty towny observation and something that occurred to me as well. In addition he wasn't afraid of asking me and sandro whether we thought he was suspicious. @PromSyllo took damage, but you managed to catch sand with a roleblock. He freely admits it, but later it seems you weren't sure. Were you bluffing him out when you said you knew he targeted syllo? Either way, if you're telling the truth it means that syllo was hit by a multi-target ability or he was hit by recoil from his own abilities, because you would have protected him form anything else. If someone is able to account for the 50 damage on Syllo in such a way that it proves Prom is lying about his roleblock ability, Prom is not town. I don't think that is the case, I just want to make that apparent to anyone that knows more than I do. Unless someone chimes in, I currently have a town read on Prom for trying to protect the successful party leader. Yeah I was bluffing but I thought it was a safe bet. There were only two roleblocks and it seemed inconceivable that no one targeted the leader of the town party besides me. So I took a gamble, i knew my credibility was pretty low but I knew my role could make or break this lynch (theoretically) so I challenged Sand on it. I was pretty shocked about the damage which Syllo claimed (I thought I would block it all and that mafia would have individual abilities and NOT factional kp but this is false, mafia has kp!) and I assumed that it was Mafia KP (another reason which I didn't state earlier that i thought he was Town in the 'one of Sand/Syllo is scum' argument). I looked at my pm again in writing this to confirm my abilities, it only roleblocks players so I imagine that factional kp is not blocked.
What is so hard to understand? Syllo got BUSSED. All the abilities that targeted him, targeted someone else instead and everything that targeted that someone else targeted Syllo.
Scum shoots flying-under-the-radar-town. Sandro busses all damage from that townie onto Syllo and all the protection (just Marv) on Syllo onto the flying-under-the-radar-town.
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Err, not just Marv. Prom and Marv, of course.
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Do you(everybody) agree with my proposed party?
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On November 25 2012 11:08 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 11:05 goodkarma wrote:@Keir:On November 22 2012 05:49 Keirathi wrote:On November 22 2012 05:47 iamperfection wrote:On November 22 2012 05:47 Keirathi wrote:On November 22 2012 05:47 iamperfection wrote:On November 22 2012 05:45 Keirathi wrote:On November 22 2012 05:42 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 05:38 Keirathi wrote:On November 22 2012 05:36 phagga wrote:
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why is that townie? I would expect a townie to want to be part of every mission if possible, as it will make sure that at least that spot is not occupied by scum (from that specific townies point of view). If a townie has a low "success modifier". I could see him not wanting to be picked especially in the early game where its much more likely that a scum (or two) are picked for the team inadvertently and it could cause mission loss. How the hell do you have any idea what your HIDDEN success modifier is? What CaveJohnson's post made me think of was 3rd party. I thought syllo was referring to the fact that a 3rd party didn't want to come along on the mission was "townie", because he at least cares enough about the town to warn them off. So why do you think I said that, then? do you know your success modifier? Not specifically, but yes. i dont understand I don't know "My 'success modifier' is 3." But I do know that I have a low success modifier. Yes, but what question are you wanting me to answer? My role pm specifically says something to the effect that any party I'm in has a lower chance of success.
Okay. I just wanted to be extra extra sure about this. In that case, if only 1/2 of the party can come from last time I would rather you were not in it.
##Unvote
##Vote: Oatsmaster
It's between Oats and dieno then...
I would propose Oats assume party leader and sheep syllo's choices.
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@ GK
On November 25 2012 10:52 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 10:46 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 10:39 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 10:37 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 10:30 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote:
##Vote Marvellosity
I think he's town, and I trust his town-reading ability more than any possible alternatives at this point. Keep in mind there are other ways of going about this. Working under the premise that the successful team day one is all but confirmed town, we can cherry pick from that to form a team as quickly as possible. Pick a decent townie (like Keir), and then use the member whose judgement is arguably strongest (syllo) to determine the remainder of the party to be selected. Sure, it involves lots of sheeping, but it is a very sound way of removing any potential for mafia manipulation in the selection process. Well I think there's more consideration than just to create a team that's as "safe" as possible. One of the functions of running these missions is to confirm people as town. In that regard, I don't mind electing players that I'm strongly reading as town, as opposed to "confirmed" townies (via previous mission). We can confirm strong town reads if success, or a possible failure could alert us to a dangerous scumplayer. Really? I thought the function of these missions was winning... We can only have half the party from last time anyway, so some confirming will be involved. But why not leave the reigns in the hands of people we (pretty much with absolute certainty) know to be town? I see no down-side. Well I honestly don't know what the success/failure of a mission determines behind the scenes. However, missions can confirm people as town, and we also need to consider that aspect of it when making a decision. All that winning gave us last time was the chance to lynch. If that's all that happens when things go well, then, yeah, I'd rather not learn what happens when we fail... Hint: I doubt we'll be able to lynch. Wait what? How do you know what success/failure of a mission does? Mission success wasn't explicitly linked to a lynch day in any host-post I saw.
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On November 25 2012 11:14 Hapahauli wrote:@ GKShow nested quote +On November 25 2012 10:52 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 10:46 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 10:39 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 10:37 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 10:30 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote:
##Vote Marvellosity
I think he's town, and I trust his town-reading ability more than any possible alternatives at this point. Keep in mind there are other ways of going about this. Working under the premise that the successful team day one is all but confirmed town, we can cherry pick from that to form a team as quickly as possible. Pick a decent townie (like Keir), and then use the member whose judgement is arguably strongest (syllo) to determine the remainder of the party to be selected. Sure, it involves lots of sheeping, but it is a very sound way of removing any potential for mafia manipulation in the selection process. Well I think there's more consideration than just to create a team that's as "safe" as possible. One of the functions of running these missions is to confirm people as town. In that regard, I don't mind electing players that I'm strongly reading as town, as opposed to "confirmed" townies (via previous mission). We can confirm strong town reads if success, or a possible failure could alert us to a dangerous scumplayer. Really? I thought the function of these missions was winning... We can only have half the party from last time anyway, so some confirming will be involved. But why not leave the reigns in the hands of people we (pretty much with absolute certainty) know to be town? I see no down-side. Well I honestly don't know what the success/failure of a mission determines behind the scenes. However, missions can confirm people as town, and we also need to consider that aspect of it when making a decision. All that winning gave us last time was the chance to lynch. If that's all that happens when things go well, then, yeah, I'd rather not learn what happens when we fail... Hint: I doubt we'll be able to lynch. Wait what? How do you know what success/failure of a mission does? Mission success wasn't explicitly linked to a lynch day in any host-post I saw.
I don't understand what you want to know from this question... I have no psychic abilities that forsee what Greymist might do to us if we fail, if that's what you're getting at. And if you were to look at my comments, I believe I have clearly conveyed that.
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On November 25 2012 11:11 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 10:44 Promethelax wrote:On November 25 2012 10:38 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 14:05 syllogism wrote:
I took 50 damage.
I'm going back to bed, but very briefly him suggesting that his modifier is likely low was something that probably makes people less likely pick him. He also pointed out the fact that if parties are announced in public, mafia has easier time choosing who to support and that was a pretty towny observation and something that occurred to me as well. In addition he wasn't afraid of asking me and sandro whether we thought he was suspicious. @PromSyllo took damage, but you managed to catch sand with a roleblock. He freely admits it, but later it seems you weren't sure. Were you bluffing him out when you said you knew he targeted syllo? Either way, if you're telling the truth it means that syllo was hit by a multi-target ability or he was hit by recoil from his own abilities, because you would have protected him form anything else. If someone is able to account for the 50 damage on Syllo in such a way that it proves Prom is lying about his roleblock ability, Prom is not town. I don't think that is the case, I just want to make that apparent to anyone that knows more than I do. Unless someone chimes in, I currently have a town read on Prom for trying to protect the successful party leader. Yeah I was bluffing but I thought it was a safe bet. There were only two roleblocks and it seemed inconceivable that no one targeted the leader of the town party besides me. So I took a gamble, i knew my credibility was pretty low but I knew my role could make or break this lynch (theoretically) so I challenged Sand on it. I was pretty shocked about the damage which Syllo claimed (I thought I would block it all and that mafia would have individual abilities and NOT factional kp but this is false, mafia has kp!) and I assumed that it was Mafia KP (another reason which I didn't state earlier that i thought he was Town in the 'one of Sand/Syllo is scum' argument). I looked at my pm again in writing this to confirm my abilities, it only roleblocks players so I imagine that factional kp is not blocked. What is so hard to understand? Syllo got BUSSED. All the abilities that targeted him, targeted someone else instead and everything that targeted that someone else targeted Syllo. Scum shoots flying-under-the-radar-town. Sandro busses all damage from that townie onto Syllo and all the protection (just Marv) on Syllo onto the flying-under-the-radar-town.
Which is a great theory and all, but
On November 23 2012 21:51 sandroba wrote:
Oh my it seems I'm the only person in the game that doesn't get to have a real life every so often. I spent the night at a girl's house ytd and only got home now. I thought I would give the thread a quick read before heading to bed (yes my sleep schedule is severely fucked up) and I see that suddenly I became the main wagon. Nice. Weekend is ahead and it will be extremelly busy and now I have to fight syllo induced mislynch just to prob face the same problem again the next day. Thx. I'll be here briefily if anyone want to interact, but I'm heading to bed.
I took 125 dmg and got roleblocked.
Syllo's damage came from somewhere else. At the very least, sand was unable to busdriver syllo.
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On November 25 2012 10:46 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 10:39 Promethelax wrote:On November 24 2012 17:18 Promethelax wrote:-snip- Hapa made a case on me but it is long and I'll just link to it here I guess I didn't explain well in the early game why I thought that one of Sand/Syllo had to be scum butI think I have since that point. If you want to hear it again here goes + Show Spoiler +there were two gyus who both seemed content to put each other in their parties, there was no strong opposition to these two guys except each other. If both of these players were town mafia would have tried to push a candidate as I believe 100% that mafia wanted to be in the party. ergo one of Sand/Syllo was scum. I was more comfortable with Syllo because he did not explicitly state that he would take Sand, and his play in general gave me more of a townie vibe. If I'd had my way Acro would have been elected but sine things worked out I have to admit that I was wrong to oppose Syllo Consolidation that I asked for was shut down, consolidation was on the Obama/Romney ticket and no one else. The one party system wasn't working for me. -snip- in case it wasn't clear (I was pretty high so maybe it wasn't) I didn't feel that Sand and Syllo presented differing platforms both had the other on the ticket, I thought, hence why I referred to them as Obama/Romney. The idea being that voting for one was the same as voting for the other. That's not a "response" - that's you replying to a very select portion of my suspicions and burying it in a long post (in a spoiler, rofl) where noone can see it. There are several things I want to hear about: 1) Why were you so at peace with the idea of voting Syllo, when you were convinced that one of Sandrob/Syllo was scum AND you thought Syllo would include Sandrob in his party? 2) Why were you trying to push "consolidation" early in the thread, then attacked Sandrob/Syllo for the sake of opposition? 3) Why didn't you treat Syllo as a "credible candidate"? (Also, funny that you accused me of not taking kita seriously in one of your previous posts as scummy).
1) I found sand the scummier of the two. He was also the only one who exclusively said he'd take the other, meaning Syllo was the lesser of two evils.
2) I thought a smaller pool to pick from would force scum to place a vote which would matter, instead of a throw away vote like the one Thrawn posted d1 in Mario for example. A three or four candidate system would have meant that everyone needed to express opinions. Sand and Syllo (when they were including each other) were one place to consolidate onto instead of four. I didn't want the leader chosen early d1 I wanted us to narrow our scopes after ~1/2 of the day had gone by so that no votes could be wasted on candidates without a chance.
3) because he and Sand were pretty interchangeable in my head and Sand had more votes.
On November 25 2012 11:11 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 10:44 Promethelax wrote:On November 25 2012 10:38 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 14:05 syllogism wrote:
I took 50 damage.
I'm going back to bed, but very briefly him suggesting that his modifier is likely low was something that probably makes people less likely pick him. He also pointed out the fact that if parties are announced in public, mafia has easier time choosing who to support and that was a pretty towny observation and something that occurred to me as well. In addition he wasn't afraid of asking me and sandro whether we thought he was suspicious. @PromSyllo took damage, but you managed to catch sand with a roleblock. He freely admits it, but later it seems you weren't sure. Were you bluffing him out when you said you knew he targeted syllo? Either way, if you're telling the truth it means that syllo was hit by a multi-target ability or he was hit by recoil from his own abilities, because you would have protected him form anything else. If someone is able to account for the 50 damage on Syllo in such a way that it proves Prom is lying about his roleblock ability, Prom is not town. I don't think that is the case, I just want to make that apparent to anyone that knows more than I do. Unless someone chimes in, I currently have a town read on Prom for trying to protect the successful party leader. Yeah I was bluffing but I thought it was a safe bet. There were only two roleblocks and it seemed inconceivable that no one targeted the leader of the town party besides me. So I took a gamble, i knew my credibility was pretty low but I knew my role could make or break this lynch (theoretically) so I challenged Sand on it. I was pretty shocked about the damage which Syllo claimed (I thought I would block it all and that mafia would have individual abilities and NOT factional kp but this is false, mafia has kp!) and I assumed that it was Mafia KP (another reason which I didn't state earlier that i thought he was Town in the 'one of Sand/Syllo is scum' argument). I looked at my pm again in writing this to confirm my abilities, it only roleblocks players so I imagine that factional kp is not blocked. What is so hard to understand? Syllo got BUSSED. All the abilities that targeted him, targeted someone else instead and everything that targeted that someone else targeted Syllo. Scum shoots flying-under-the-radar-town. Sandro busses all damage from that townie onto Syllo and all the protection (just Marv) on Syllo onto the flying-under-the-radar-town.
totally possible. But I think that my ability resolved first. Since it blocked Sand and Marv both of whom targeted Syllo one of whom was bussing him (probably) actually now that I say that I'm not totally convinced he used the bus ability. Why should i belive that he used the ability name he claimed to have used?
Oats: I'd take another d1 player with you instead of clarity. No need to bring along someone in that spot whom we aren't sure of. Now I'd leave Marv behind too personally but if you bring him I'd like to be damn sure that everyone else with you is town because, though Marv is playing more Marv-like now, his day one play still rattles me.
I'm off to work, see you all. Good luck guys.
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
On November 25 2012 11:14 goodkarma wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Oatsmaster
It's between Oats and dieno then...
I would propose Oats assume party leader and sheep syllo's choices.
Sure was a mighty fast flip-flop there.
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On November 25 2012 10:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
I would take
Acro,
Marv,
Clarity.
I dont think that scum Acro would soft defend Sandro because there is no upside for scum
Marv is looking more and more townie at the moment.
Clarity also started actually doing 'work' after I made my 'case' on him.
I don't want to come. Swap me out for Dieno or Syllo... given the new information, I also prefer Chronicler over Clarity. I can see no reason for scum to bus Toad right now.
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On November 25 2012 11:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Do you(everybody) agree with my proposed party?
Why would you not take Dieno?
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##Unvote: Syllogism (ineligible)
##Vote: Oatsmaster
We'll see about the final party, but I see no reason to distrust his claim.
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