EPTI'm not the most experienced though. Would you guys be willing to let me join? =]
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I'm not the most experienced though. Would you guys be willing to let me join? =] | ||
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/in I look forward to it. | ||
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##Vote DarthPunk | ||
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edit: Since lynchtime is literally in the middle of the night for me, I'll try to be there for every lynch but no guarantee. | ||
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On November 12 2012 19:41 Kickstart wrote: On Monday and Tuesday I have class for about 3 hours each night and it runs into lynch time, but aside from that I don't have much going on. Hopefully there are no crazy last minute shenanigans -_-. Historically, last minute shenanigans, not awesome. | ||
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On November 12 2012 21:00 marvellosity wrote: I'd prefer deadline to be made an hour earlier if possible. Not the end of the world if not, though. I second this. | ||
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If he looks like town, always, then he doesn't impede town much. | ||
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On November 13 2012 10:01 strongandbig wrote: if zb was scum he would have made a much longer post ##vote: hapahauli im down with that iamperfection thinkamajig Really? Because explaining his reasoning from both town and scum perspectives is what made it a null read for me. If he just said he was miller with no paragraph I would've leaned town on him. | ||
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On November 13 2012 10:04 debears wrote: so now we have 2 claims d1....great What do you mean? | ||
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I missed that. strongandbig why did you claim VT, please explain your reasoning. | ||
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Doesn't help town in any help, might help scum. | ||
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You don't think it's a weird move for a VT to claim VT day 1? | ||
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I'll go find that post. Please comment on the votes on strongandbig, and what you think of his claim. You said it's not significant? | ||
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Again, Cheese's claim wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for some weird flavor stuff. The word "retard(ed)" seems to come up a lot in Darth's filter in that game. What makes you think it's scummy? | ||
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On November 13 2012 10:44 debears wrote: What do you guys think of Clarity's early play? It's very similar to his scum play imo. Saying neutral stuff. Then, the vote on S&B. He's coming in and out of the thread, ie active lurking  | ||
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On November 13 2012 10:49 strongandbig wrote: lol You've posted three times since your VT claim, with a total of 7 words. Please explain your claim. | ||
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On November 13 2012 10:53 DarthPunk wrote: I'm going to expand on this a little because it seems to have been lost in the noise. Why did you jump on the S&B bandwagon so quickly and with little explanation? What do you find scummy about S&B and Why? He "VT claims", then disappears. He just answered and his answer was "I claimed on accident" I explain my reasoning my 2 posts before my vote. | ||
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On November 13 2012 11:02 strongandbig wrote: okay im going to sleep now it's like three am kiiiiill some scuuuuuuuums doods Where do you currently live? Could you change your profile to that? | ||
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On November 13 2012 11:07 debears wrote: Because hapa's talk about was whether he is a smurf, which we cannot tell right now, due to his lack of posting He was asking if anyone knew if he was a smurf. You didn't say "we don't know", you said "doesn't matter" | ||
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On November 13 2012 11:10 debears wrote: Yeah it doesn't matter since looking about behavior is usually a better indicator than meta. We can't know unless he comes out and starts posting like someone the vets recognize. So why discuss it? But you just made a post, with the only question being about someone's meta. On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote: ^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is? Why? | ||
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On November 13 2012 11:14 debears wrote: Because the question hapa asked was if cross was a smurf. Ffs. That came before Marv's "crossfire is just crossfire" Please keep my posts in context Yes I realize he asked before marv answered. How are your quotes not in context? You answer Hapa by saying it doesn't matter who he is, because reads within the current game are more important. But just now you asked about someone's meta, contradicting yourself. Please tell me where I am wrong. | ||
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On November 13 2012 11:21 debears wrote: Alright, let me spell it out for you 1) Hapa asked if cross was smurf 2) I said there was nothing to discuss about him being smurf, since he hadn't posted much 3) Marv says cross is cross So, my point was that you can't make a basis whether he is indeed a smurf until he posts enough so that vet's recognize him. That makes discussing it early irrelevant. Now, 1) Hopeless comes in lecturing (anti-town) 2) I ask whether it fits his meta 3) You jump on me saying it's a contradiction to what I said It isn't a contradiction. Behavior > meta, especially if players are aware of their meta. Now, if behavior is totally against a player's town meta, and that behavior is scummy, then there are alarms that go off If it is the behaviour compared to different games, that's meta. That's what meta means. Hapa asked if anyone knew if cross was a smurf. Why is there nothing to discuss? If you don't know he's a smurf or not you simply don't answer. If you do you do. Marv answered because he knew, case closed. The part I don't understand is why you say it's not important. No one was talking about deducting who he is, assuming he's a smurf. | ||
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On November 13 2012 11:30 debears wrote: I look at behavior first, then meta to support. What do those last two sentences mean? Can you rephrase them? There was nothing to discuss because cross (who hapa asked if was smurf) hadn't posted much, and still hasn't http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16886690 Read here plz. Notice how I post right after Hapa I'll accept that what you meant was "regardless of who he is, since he hasn't posted there is no read to make"... I guess But either you didn't understand Hapa's question or you are being hypocritical by asking for a meta summary. Maybe clarify why you asked for it? | ||
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On November 13 2012 11:40 debears wrote: Hopeless comes in lecturing, which is anti town (remember your scumbuddy sylver last game?) What do you think of marv so far? | ||
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My vote on SnB isn't going anywhere for the moment. It was meant as pressure and it'll remain until he answers my question: On November 13 2012 10:10 Clarity_nl wrote: strongandbig why did you claim VT, please explain your reasoning. I find the answer (if you can call it that).... not to my liking: On November 13 2012 10:52 strongandbig wrote: okay so that "lol" was when I was reading the thread and ppl were like "omg vote him he claimed vt" and then I was like, wtf are they talking about when did I claim vt? and then I was like, "oh." yeah so, oops? Anyway.... just because my vote is on him doesn't mean I can't focus on other things. Just woke up and had breakfast, will be reading some filters. PS: On November 13 2012 15:39 Blazinghand wrote: But yeah anyone voting S&B right now is scum or bad What? | ||
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But if you insist on just calling people bad, but not explaining why, go right on ahead. | ||
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On November 13 2012 16:48 Blazinghand wrote: anyone not voting for their top scumread needs to vote for their top scumread instead Right now, he's it. Maybe he's a bit too obvious and maybe the fact that no one has defended him, even a little bit, makes it less likely, but he's still it. Just because I said my vote pressures him, does not mean that is solely what my vote it for. It's staying there until he explains himself clearly, luckily we have plenty of time. | ||
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On November 13 2012 17:03 Blazinghand wrote: cause he's town. it's not my job to defend the man, just to point out the scum on his wagon. read his filter and tell me that's scum S&B seriously dude Why is it like pulling teeth to get answers out of you? | ||
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I wish he posted more. It seems he was around for about 2 hours but he never really said anything of substance. The only original thought he had so far was his debears vote, which he quickly withdrew. The vote made no sense to begin with. "Debears didn't write a paragraph about a miller claim day 1, that's scummy!" ?? His miller claim makes sense, there's been no other miller claims. The only thing I don't like about it is that he explained his possible motivations as scum and town to claim miller, which isn't necessary. Your turn. | ||
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As for his meta, it seems he doesn't play like he's been playing this game as either alignment. Here's his Town play. ##unvote | ||
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I asked you what you thought about SnB's claim and if you thought it was bad for town, and you answered: On November 13 2012 10:12 Hapahauli wrote: @ Clarity Well in a theoretical sense yes, but you remember how well that worked with Cheesecake in Newbie XXX right? It's really not that significant IMO. You compared this to Cheese's claim from NMM XXX even though the situations are completely different. The only reason Cheese claimed was because he thought only VT's knew the VT flavor. So he was trying to claim without alerting scum. SnB just outright claimed VT. After I explain why it's different, you basically give me the same answer: On November 13 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote: No I don't find it weird. I think it's just a pointless comment that can be made by either alignment. Again, see Mr. Cheesecake's "odd" VT claim time in the Newbie game. Him trusting Z-Bo's claim so up-front is a bit strange, but again, I don't know if it's just bad logic or scum knowing who's who. I haven't seen anything alignment indicative from him yet. The other thing I don't really like is the use of "theoretically yes" and "IMO" Whenever I've seen you post you tend to be direct and with conviction, but not this time. | ||
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Who are you most interested to hear from right now, to clear or strengthen suspicions? | ||
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Hi guys, I'm back. Marv I'm not suspicious of you, I was just curious about debears' response. I phrased the question in a way that would make him seem inconsistent if he found you town, but he found you town anyway. Gives me a town read on debears. Scum hate to be inconsistent. | ||
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On November 14 2012 01:51 marvellosity wrote: Guys, guys!!! I think I may have an awesome quiz for you a little later in the evening. It may even be as good as my Palmar quiz in Rock Band. I'll bite..... what? | ||
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On November 14 2012 02:41 iamperfection wrote: I changed my mind deal with it bro. When I get home I might do it again. does that make me scum? If so continue if not don't waste my time What made you change your mind? | ||
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On November 14 2012 03:52 strongandbig wrote: but look at the reasoning for his town read, it was also terrible. it was a visceral (no eyes) reaction, the first thing to come out of his gut, just like "oh i guess zboson is town" was the first thing to come out of my gut when he posted it. So he changes from a weak, gut-reaction-based townread to a scum read. It's not like he was hard defending zboson or even really thinking about it in a way that we should be super concerned about, he was just pooping ideas out onto the thread. I have to agree with this. People might be misrepresenting iamp's initial post about zbo's miller claim. In the same post he even mentions the possibility of him being scum, but it would be a risky play for him. He gets corrected on this, since we don't know the setup, and he doesn't disagree. | ||
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On November 14 2012 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote: Darthpunk... maybe. Best I've got, working on a case right now but not liking how it's turning out. Yeah.... making a case on Darth isn't working, which I think in itself says a lot. If you guys somehow haven't noticed. Take a look at Darth's filter. It's basically a bunch of one-liners, jokes, the occasional null read on others. It doesn't actually help town. The only things that stand out in his filter are him voting for SnB with the comment "so retarded" (which apparantly is a null tell, judging by his previous games, he throws the word around a lot) After I jump on the SnB wagon, he votes for me without explaining. Later on he quotes his own post of him voting for me and explains why, after I explain my reasoning he quickly unvotes me and hops back on SnB. On November 13 2012 15:56 DarthPunk wrote: I am just throwing my vote around trying to see what's up. I think I explained both my votes on him adequately maybe you disagree with the reasons and that is fine. The reason I unvoted S&B the first time was that I voted for Clarity for what I perceived to be an easy jump onto an easy wagon. He gave his explanation, I unvoted and then I re-voted S&B. I cannot find the townie reasoning behind several things S&B has posted thus far. I cannot reconcile using WIFOM about his scum game as townie behaviour and I do not buy the too scummy to be scum shit. I am far from certain about him. But if he is town I want him to shape up. I don;t like using FoS's anymore so a vote it is. @blazinghand. Guess I am bad. He then claims he's just "throwing his vote around", but he doesn't ask questions or make comments about me or SnB. On November 13 2012 16:50 DarthPunk wrote: Eh. I wouldn;t say I had a particularly strong read on S&B. ##Unvote Then why vote for him? Because if it was to pressure, why wouldn't he actually explain why he's voted this way or ask questions? You either vote to lynch or you vote to pressure. But Darth's vote was.... neither? ##Vote DarthPunk | ||
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If he's not scum in your eyes, that means he's terrible town, or do you disagree? | ||
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The description "has a 3 page filter but nothing that I can make a read off of" doesn't seem very townie to me. | ||
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Rather odd to be cracking jokes and saying you have null reads when you don't have the time to post, unless you're trying to seem active. | ||
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Well I'm working under the assumption that it's a time issue, being in two active mafia games. Cracking jokes is something you do on the side. You play mafia to play mafia, socializing is nice but it's not why I play mafia at least, guess I can't speak for others. If all you're doing is cracking jokes then that's anti-town, you don't agree? If you're going to be around to post 3 pages of filter without content, why not post 1 page of content instead, if you're town. | ||
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On November 14 2012 06:16 Blazinghand wrote: You were starting a weak wagon. This is the easiest way to start a wagon as scum. You wanted to take a position that LOOKED good, which is started a wagon, without the commitment and risk that comes with it. Something you could back off of or move away from easily-- and look how you did. It was a vote with a ghost of a case rather than a real one. And you backtracked it quite well, but the point stands. Yeah it was based on iamp being generally a bad player but there's also a difference between starting a wagon with no case and jumping on one with no case. In retrospect iamp was not immune to blame, but saying something like "he didn't attack iamperfection hard enough" or "one paragraph in this post was a bit fluffy" (1)when in fact it was not, i'm trying to help the players in this game play well) isn't a legitimate critique of my posting. 2)You've made a good case for why DP and iamperfection are also scummy, but nothing here about why you're not. In retrospect, I shouldn't have implicitly rule out the possibility of you AND iamperfection being scum together. And, I think it's scummy here that A) you've backed away from your SnB vote and claimed it was just pressure when the wagon began to fall apart, just like you set up for when you voted B) this is basically a straight-up OMGUS I had moved my vote over to iamperfection, and he seems scummy but I really can't ignore a shit OMGUS of this magnitude. Rereading I've realized it was a mistake to ever unvote you. 3)And I am not threatened by your claim because a miller claim is meaningless-- it's a null tell. It's never factored into my case or my analysis of you, but you sure seem insecure about it. ##unvote ##vote ZB 1) I don't think anyone in this game would describe your play as "trying to help others to play well" 2) You haven't defended yourself either. 3) Were you supposed to feel threatened? Why even mention this? Clearly I'm not seeing what you're seeing because Zbo looks town to me. He hasn't posted much but his posts have been informative and give me an idea of what he's thinking at that time. | ||
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Where did he mention you're threatened by his claim? | ||
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Marv if you're gonna do quiztime it should be soon. I plan on going to bed at NOT 4 am since I have to be up 3 am tomorrow for lynchtime. | ||
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On November 14 2012 07:02 Blazinghand wrote: Are you saying I townslipped because a scum player would refer to himself as scum? No. I see it more as a scumslip. | ||
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-Zbo said that scum would be threatened by his miller claim -Scum wouldn't be threatened by his miller claim -You are not threatened by his miller claim Sure, you could mean that as a townie you're not threatened by his claim, but why would you say this? Especially if, as town, you think he's scum. | ||
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On November 14 2012 07:15 Blazinghand wrote: No, I mentioned I wasn't threatened by the claim, then you asked me about it, then I expanded on it. I was responding to him claiming I was threatened by his claim, and everything I've said is correct. But he never said you were threatened. He said scum was threatened. Do you see what I mean? | ||
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What I meant was: "I'm having trouble making a case on him" The reason I said this was because that actually speaks volumes about how he's been playing. 3 pages of filter and nothing to go on, even when you look closely. I didn't find some "scum gem" in one of his posts and started from there. I had a gut feeling and when I looked into him I found nothing that makes him town or scum, and that's concerning to me. I did provide analysis. | ||
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On November 14 2012 07:27 Hapahauli wrote: So you're suggesting that he's active lurking or something like that? I'm suggesting that he is blending in. Afterwards it got pointed out that he's also in Acme right now, another active mafia game, and I adjusted my case accordingly. | ||
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On November 14 2012 07:31 Hapahauli wrote: That's fair - didn't really understand your word-choice at first, but I can't blame ya for it I guess it's because I just started the post and ended it. I spellchecked but that's it. So I started out with "Yeah making a case on him isn't working" But I guess I did end up making a case on him, heh. I just wanted to put thoughts out there that weren't about BH, as I felt others were flying under the radar. | ||
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Were you around all this time iamp, or did you just return? | ||
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Do you still believe Zbo is scum, and who else do you have scumreads on? Give us as much information as possible this daycycle. | ||
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Darth, I hope you show up soon and give us something to work with. | ||
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This way we know when to expect you back and it you don't show up at that time it will be suspicious. Meaning that if there's anything going on at that time and you don't respond to it it's super scummy. Now we have nothing to go on other than you posting some homework. On November 14 2012 14:32 DarthPunk wrote: Slight suspicions on Clarity and S&B. But nothing that I would bring to the thread or push as a lynch. Just small mental notes of watch closely. I am about to go out. I have some time before deadline when I will read some filters and dump some reads in the unhappy circumstance of my lynch. I am not playing as well as I would like. The case on me is understandable. You're suspicious of one of my town reads and me, but you're not willing to even mention why? No one is asking for a case. If you are truly busy, yet you keep up with this thread, is typing up a message which takes a couple of minutes really too much? I dislike how after you're being accused of being inactive and posting filler, you basically stopped posting altogether other than excuses. Now you post that you have two slight reads but won't share the information? How's that help town? | ||
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I think we're getting to the point where we have to consolidate a bit, narrow our focus. As much as I want to lynch BH, I don't think lynching a blue claim day 1 is smart. If he's scum that's great, he definitely might be, but if he flips JK or VT we're fucked. There won't be any useful information for us. @ everyone Is it safe to say that not idiotic lynch candidates are: Thrawn, Darthpunk, Hopeless, Crossfire and MAYBE debears? I've been having a hard time reading hapa, but the cases against him haven't convinced me whatsoever, and looking at his filter myself.... I haven't found anything I would consider scummy, but I definitely don't get a town vibe. | ||
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On November 14 2012 23:14 marvellosity wrote: He did actually seem to have looked at a couple of iamp's games, at least what he said seems true (iamp does say things like "tell me more" a lot). Clarity, you have first hand experience of debears from last game. Tell me about him. How is he like to play with this game compared to last? What has he given you that you were expecting, or what are you missing? Your insight is particularly valuable here. I was rather unhappy about the accusation of active lurking, two hours in. His activity was on par with both his scum and town play last two games (although as scum he started lurking d2 and on). Then he went super inactive. I guess his explanation will have to do... but I'm not happy with it at all. It's not hard to anticipate you won't be on for a long stretch of time and tell us, but he didn't. Remember when I asked debears what he thought of you, and later I explained it was more for his reaction than for a second pair of eyes on you? In the conversation before I asked him the question he said lecturing is anti-town, and you had just been busy lecturing. I feel that scum would have answered you were leaning scum or null, because it's "inconsistent" to say you're leaning town. The only thing that has stood out when it comes to debears' play is that he hasn't tried to be the leader, but I can't say this is because he's scum, because other explanations are he's been too inactive to try, or the fact that this isn't a newbie game so he doesn't feel the need. From everything I've seen so far I'm not willing to lynch debears. | ||
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I would like some more thoughts on this please: On November 14 2012 23:06 Clarity_nl wrote: I think we're getting to the point where we have to consolidate a bit, narrow our focus. As much as I want to lynch BH, I don't think lynching a blue claim day 1 is smart. If he's scum that's great, he definitely might be, but if he flips JK or VT we're fucked. There won't be any useful information for us. @ everyone Is it safe to say that not idiotic lynch candidates are: Thrawn, Darthpunk, Hopeless, Crossfire and MAYBE debears? iamp I urge you to look elsewhere than BH for the time being, and revisit this tomorrow. Lynching him today would simply be bad. | ||
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Don't spend any time defending yourself today, go do that tomorrow if you survive the night. There's no way you're getting lynched today. | ||
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On November 15 2012 00:58 debears wrote: Bh Can you plz drop defending yourself if you are indeed jk. We'll only have limited time with you if you arent mafia. Plz scumhunt sirzzz. Any defense on your part right now is wasted Huh.... You realize that's exactly what I said, right? | ||
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@ Darth You're not getting lynched today, if you had read the thread you would know this. | ||
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Back in 3.5 hours or so. Night DP. | ||
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Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless? I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it. When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt. That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me. So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate. I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say? | ||
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On November 15 2012 02:06 iamperfection wrote: i thought we had come to terms that bh claim made little sense from a scum perspective? It was oddly timed and its not like he was in real pressure to die it does not feel like a scum fake claim to me. I know darthpunk is capable of so much more until he gives me something more than his gut or his whining my vote will not change. I welcome him to do so because if he is town i want him in the game. as for hopeless i dont feel very strong about him one way or another he has been lurking and i dont think what you have there marv is a super solid aha found scum moment but i could get behind it if dp comes back with something good and hopeless continues to lurk i can get behind it. Does this mean that your vote isn't a lynchvote, but instead a vote to pressure him? | ||
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On November 14 2012 14:17 DarthPunk wrote: You know I could make some half arse case and tunnel some bad townie really easily and then probably not get lynched right? Now why am I not doing that? Because, as I have said. I have not had the time required to get reads that I am convinced are valuable to the thread. I don;t want to just fake shit to keep myself alive. Is that scummy or townie. I never answered this, so I will now, it's scummy. You don't want to keep yourself alive as town? | ||
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On November 15 2012 06:29 Kickstart wrote: I'm here and been following the thread. All the cases against hopeless have been pretty solid and convincing so far and he has yet to give a good response, added to the fact that I already had an anti-town read on him before I think he is a good D1 lynch candidate. Hapa I feel has given several good and well reasoned posts recently spelling out his views on everyone, and just generally being pro-town. That being said, ##unvote ##vote: Hopeless1der Please explain in your own words and without referring to other people's posts why you had an anti-town read on him, and explain why you didn't share this read. | ||
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On November 15 2012 06:59 strongandbig wrote: ##unvote ##vote: debears Please elaborate. | ||
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On November 15 2012 07:04 strongandbig wrote: i think he's more likely to be scum than hopeless is Does this mean you agree that BH is a bad lynch now, or you simply realized he won't get lynched today? | ||
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On November 15 2012 07:12 thrawn2112 wrote: bh is a bad lynch because he's got an uncontested claim and because it's bh You're still on darth, any thoughts of switching? If so, to whom? | ||
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On November 15 2012 07:40 Hopeless1der wrote: Clarity - Town. He seems to misread the thread or just confuse people alot. I feel that type of repeating 'mistake' is less likely to happen as scum. Fairly active and is sticking to his read on DP. Also is seen trying to focus people into more productive avenues. Could be called faked activity, but his intentions are open for all to see. I'd like to know where he stands at present between me and debears though. Yeah I've been misspeaking (typing) a lot, and it's quite a pain every time someone points it out. But if it gives people a town read of me, great! To answer your question of where I stand: On November 15 2012 05:37 Clarity_nl wrote: Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn? Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless? I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it. When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt. That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me. So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate. I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say? I'd like to change this a bit though. Based solely on the fact that hopeless has been posting reads and answering questions clearly and concisely now. Whereas debears is nowhere to be found, his defense is lackluster and his case on hapa seems OMGUS. | ||
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On November 15 2012 07:55 thrawn2112 wrote: i don't like the debears lynch. the things that are said about him, i don;t find them to be scummy. he's getting voted because he's got a vote on one person while tunneling another? also i like his level of participation. i'm too much a coward to lynch a vet on d1 unless there's some huge scumslip, which there wasn't. don't like lynching bh/hapa d1. i still want to lynch darth, he's done nothing to ease my suspicions since i first voted him. the biggest contribution he;s made lately was a giant list of town reads with no case on anyone I agree, but it's starting to look less likely that we can get him lynched today, and I don't think sitting on a vote that doesn't consolidate is useful. So if not debears does that mean Hopeless would be your vote? You mention the vets, does that mean you have a possible scumread on one of them? I'm not moving from Darth just yet and I urge everyone to go over his filter, particularly after I call him out and he stops posting altogether other than apologies or contempt. | ||
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Maybe that's just my impression because of newbie games though. My last game as scum I could easily hide in last minute chaos. | ||
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Have you considered that your town and scum meta D1 are rather similar, so there is no meta read to be made? | ||
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On November 15 2012 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote: You've just committed to showing shitty logic from scum debears =\ It's rather hard to post perfect logic when you're scum and you HAVE to show suspicion of confirmed townies. What's your point? | ||
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That said, marv's case makes a lot of sense. I mean, he used the word propensity, how can I resist. ##Unvote ##Vote Z-BosoN | ||
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@ Hapa Aren't you saying the opposite of what the log suggests? In the log he says "I guess I should post less" and you tell him to post more anyway. Yet he hasn't. | ||
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On November 15 2012 09:55 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah I spent most of the convo trying to convince him. He never budged. Want me to dig up the rest? No I'll take your word for it, just wanted you to clarify. | ||
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Consolidating on cross gives us nothing. I realize lynching for information is a terrible thing but lynching a coinflip that's guaranteed to not give information isn't the answer. | ||
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Your choices currently are: debears, hopeless, zbo | ||
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On November 15 2012 10:08 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote ##vote: crossfire99 No, nonononononononono. This is terrible. I am not last minute bandwagoning on the lurker for being dumb/inactive/whatever. It's a coinflip and if he flips town we gain nothing. | ||
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Debears Hopeless Z-Boson These are your choices. Unvote the coinflip. | ||
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Fuck you. | ||
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Z-Boson, get your vote somewhere. | ||
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On November 15 2012 10:27 Blazinghand wrote: HEY PEOPLE ARE FINALLY LISTENING I hereby claim all town cred for the DP lynch I feel cheated. Marv, are you willing to consolidate on DP, regardless of your conviction about Z-bo? | ||
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On November 15 2012 10:33 Dandel Ion wrote: Full votecount is probably screwed up somewhere. Probably. U guys too fast U too slo | ||
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On November 15 2012 10:35 Hapahauli wrote: You are behind on the times crossfire. I dunno. He had a "gut feeling" on me because I was the first to kind of commit to him. I can understand that if you're town. His timing is dumb though, especially with no intention to get me lynched. I'm super torn. If we could double lynch today I would. | ||
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I wasn't convinced about hopeless at any point, and his absence isn't changing my mind. | ||
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On November 15 2012 10:45 marvellosity wrote: yeah this is gonna be a mislynch Starting to feel that way. I'm having a hard time explaining why though. | ||
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On November 15 2012 10:51 Blazinghand wrote: Actually if you think about it, this is exactly the kind of thing Scum OR Town Hapa would do Right, so where/how is he scum? You have 8 minutes. | ||
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On November 15 2012 10:52 Blazinghand wrote: I still don't like Hapa at all. He seems way too straight-laced for his normal town play. Anyone want to lynch him? What the fuck. Shut up. | ||
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On November 15 2012 10:59 Hapahauli wrote: What in the fuck? Dunno man. | ||
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The assumption that everyone who jumped on hapa is town is bad. Odds are, the last two people who jumped on hapa are town. To me it seems likely that there is scum in the first couple of people jumping on hapa, because they didn't expect (like me) him to get lynched. Easy townie points with nearly no risk. Marv was unusually quiet near the end. BH said jump on hapa, lol jk wait d2, lol lets jump on hapa ##vote Hapa. Now he's claiming town credit? Ehhh.... | ||
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I don't like saying confirmed. Even if I loved saying confirmed, he's not confirmed. Do not get shit like that in your heads. I don't like the way we got there but a scum lynch is a victory in my book, and with the constant shitstorm for an hour or so there's bound to be incriminating stuff. I'm going to bed, it's 4 am. Night all. | ||
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On November 15 2012 10:52 Blazinghand wrote: I still don't like Hapa at all. He seems way too straight-laced for his normal town play. Anyone want to lynch him? On November 15 2012 10:53 Blazinghand wrote: I'm like not really serious about lynching hapa, btw, we shouldn't be switching this close to the deadline On November 15 2012 10:55 Blazinghand wrote: ##FoS: Hapa Let's get a count of who's in. FOS him if you are willing to vote him. On November 15 2012 10:56 Blazinghand wrote: You know what, fuck it, let's vote him. I'll go back to ZB if need be. ##unvote ##vote: Hapa I just don't get this series of events. I agree that the "scumslip" thing was suspicious but we were waaaayy too close to deadline. | ||
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On November 15 2012 11:17 Blazinghand wrote: Absolutely. I wouldn't have it any other way. Then a mere 3.5 hours later he posts On November 15 2012 14:54 Blazinghand wrote: And I know you guys are gonna hate me for thus, but uh, yeah, I'm not a JK. Monday I had some family issues come up and it meant I wouldn't have much time to play through today, so I had to fake claim. Thursday and onwards I'm free though. Of course everyone is gonna be like super mad at me for this, but it worked, okay? Okay. Why would a VT blazinghand want to answer my question so quickly and with so much conviction if he planned on spilling the beans on his claim. | ||
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Today I won't be as active. I'll actually be around, but playing some dota2/cs:go, will check the thread inbetween, and will ofcourse post reads before night ends just in case. | ||
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We have quite a bit of time, I'll mull it over. | ||
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On November 16 2012 00:19 debears wrote: And was Hapa ever at threat for lynch before the swing? No way in hell. He wouldn't have to cover his tracks that early Pretty sure he's not that naive. | ||
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On November 16 2012 00:22 iamperfection wrote: What do you mean? he had no reason to think he was getting lynched. I agree, but to think that means he defended his scum partners and tried to move focus away from his buddies and attacked nothing but town is major WIFOM. If people want to make association cases make it people's interactions with hapa, not hapa's interactions with people. | ||
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On November 16 2012 01:21 Hopeless1der wrote: @Clarity - scumread, details for later Interesting. Please make sure to post it before night ends, and make sure I have some time to reply in the last hour in case I get night killed. | ||
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On November 15 2012 22:26 marvellosity wrote: yes, I know, and I want to hit him in the face for it. But I kinda believe townie BH is capable of self delusion like that :/ Really? Because to me it seems like pride getting in the way. We're telling him he's playing a bad town game, and he's scum, so he feels insulted and tells us he's playing well. I guess you know him better than me though, obviously. | ||
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On November 16 2012 04:19 marvellosity wrote: why? I agree with him, I think Crossfire is an excellent lynch for tomorrow. I think what debears means is that he said "it's safest for me" as opposed to "it's best for town" | ||
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On November 16 2012 05:22 strongandbig wrote: hey guys what do you think of hopeless's list post like, actually read it and tell me what you think of the individual points plz I feel your analysis of it was really off. You were twisting it to what you wanted. I feel that he was helpful in posting his reads at the time, since it was possible he was getting lynched. Sure there are some logical flaws in it but that doesn't make it scummy. | ||
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Hard to tell. His meta suggests scum, but he doesn't seem to be putting much effort into pushing a scum agenda. Either he's solely interested in hiding, or he's just town and actually having IRL issues. I don't think he's a good lynch D2 either way. Thrawn I'd love you to get more involved, rather than just point out inconsistencies and hide in the shadows. | ||
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On November 16 2012 06:19 debears wrote: We can get a read on bh as time goes by. How can we get a solid read off people who barely contribute? I agree with this. | ||
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On November 16 2012 06:22 debears wrote: Hellz yeah I did. And hellz yeah I am There aint too much to input on due to 5 lurker doodles. I have some reads, but ill share them right before night ends. I'm in the top 3 nk targets most likely (assuming marv and bh are town) You think scum will nk you or bh? delusional. | ||
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On November 16 2012 06:34 Kickstart wrote: And this shit about me lurking is getting annoying, I have posts all throughout the thread, I have given my views on people and been completely genuine. Just because I'm not spamming up the thread with useless one-liner shit posts like half the people here doesn't mean I'm lurking. You get all the information from posts that other people have enticed. If everyone was playing like you no one would be making cases because there would be no information. | ||
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On November 16 2012 06:43 Kickstart wrote: Ok fair enough - I haven't helped pull any information. But I have given thoughts on several people (hapa, bh, hopeless, my thoughts on ZB) without just quoting what someone else has said. I really don't want to use the fact that this is my first game as an excuse for myself, but it is true and is why I'm posting the way I am. But in my defense, at least I am trying to contribute - there are plenty of people who may be posting tons but aren't contributing anything or even trying to. I merely meant to explain why you're being called a lurker by some. Please list the people who in your opinion contribute less than you, and why. | ||
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You've pointed out some inconsistencies, but you have failed how they are scum motivated at all. In fact, my mistake of mixing up Darth and Blazing... you don't even actually say anything about it. You're saying that I, as scum, would mix those two up on purpose? To what end? You quote me asking BH to post his night action in the last hour, and you comment on it "Like we'd ever forget about BH and his craaazeee antics." What do you even mean? Darth wasn't getting lynched, marv posted a case I agreed with. People like the word "sheeping" too much, but if you want to use it so badly, yes, I sheeped onto marv. My scumreads ARE important, but it's called consolidating for a reason. | ||
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On November 16 2012 08:22 Hopeless1der wrote: I respectfully disagree. My case is there. General tone is not actually attempting to scumhunt, its to look active. I don't scumhunt during the last hour. I try to get everyones shit together and consolidate on a lynch. This gives us the most information to use the following day. I don't like last minute shenanigans. I actively discouraged them. Please post your case again and add how my actions are scum motivated. | ||
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Lot of mixed signals in hopeless. I'll try and see if I can get a better answer for you. | ||
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Again, explain my motivation as scum to switch two people like an idiot. | ||
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I don't like that it's taking you so long to answer. Surely while making a case on me you thought of this? | ||
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On November 15 2012 01:04 Clarity_nl wrote: So what you're saying is you won't make cases because it requires effort? Dude you are making it so hard on me to not vote for you. Here is a mistake I made too. Because I said it to Darth, and I was already voting for him, I thought it was blazing. And before that I mixed up iamp and SnB. Why do you think I left for a bit after that? | ||
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Now look at when darth showed up in the thread day 1. Now compare the two. | ||
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I don't follow that logic, at all. | ||
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On November 16 2012 10:07 marvellosity wrote: I lost as scum in the last game you hosted dear. Checking me is a fucking ridiculous use of a check. I agree, since if you are town there is a big chance of you getting nk'd tonight. I'm actually surprised you don't get a townie vibe off of me iamp. | ||
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On November 16 2012 10:11 Blazinghand wrote: Well if you think DP is scum that's fine too I just blocked him if he was delivering the kill What the fuck. | ||
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On November 16 2012 10:06 iamperfection wrote: iamperfection- The slayer of hapa the perfect one the perfect town player marvellosity- Do not lynch. Extremely likely to be town. He has been very engaged and his heart is into this case. He obviously know about hapa super case but i honestly think he would be really depressed if he rolled scum again. Yes. debars- Very Probably town. Hapa wanted to kill him very badly and almost succeeded. LIke marv been very active and engaged cares about who gets lynched. Eh... Hapa debears team isn't that unlikely Kickstart- Likely town. Would have taken quick thinking on his part if he was scum to bus in that quick of a snap which as a very new player i think it would have been very hard for him to do. Yes. strongandbig- His VT claim felt natural so gonna go with town. Should be more engaged. funny that he called me lazy before. Cool story bro. He's trolly but not scummy atm. DarthPunk- Was the hammer vote on hapa. Could have saved hapa by simply not hopping on the wagon if he was aware. His agression towards me and bh was kind of weird as well as his seemingly angriness after the flip. However i think he may of just be taking offense to being a potential "mislynch" Probably all true despite me being on him nearly all of day 1, sigh. Clarity_nl- i dont really know what to think about him. Has had a good activity but he didnt vote hapa. But i said before thers not much there that i would say is scummy. But i would keep an eye on him. The shut up stuff towards bh when he suggested hapa was obviously not good either. Surprised you don't have more of a town read on me. I told everyone to stfu when they tried to pull last minute stuff. I did not believe hapa was a good lynch target, as there had not been good cases against him Z-BosoN- i have no idea what to think about him. his coming at me i guess might be good but i didnt really understand his case so he could be trying to create mislynch options??? Also hapa was kind of defending him somewhat when he was a possibility of being lynched. Still leaning scum on him, but I agree with your lynch candidates D2 Hopeless1der- Looks really bad for mostly things potentially outside his control in regards to hapa. Hapas wishy washyness twoards him is obviously not good but i think from my first game Hopeless can eventually look pretty townie if he is in town. Judge him by what he does going forward His case on me makes me blind with rage. I was leaning town on him all D1, now I'm doubting. Blazinghand- idiot. Still leaning not scum though. His lynch would bring me enjoyment though but sadly we must try to win don't we. Yes. People i would like lynched Crossfire- Ill sheep marv on this one he provided good reasons to explain his bh case out of left field being scummy. lurker is lurky thrawn2112- His play is unacceptable. he has another game going like dp but unlike hasn't really bothered to anything. Voted for dp for similar reason i did yet being in the same circumstances as him weird. This guy is also capable of being an activity fiend and hasn't. Dosen't seem to care about much of anything. Really only talking about bh the most in his filter without many comments on other players at all besides dp. I agree. | ||
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On November 16 2012 10:59 Blazinghand wrote: look clarity it's not about the method (jailing to protect, or horrible 3-minut evote swtich) it's about the outcome It's really not. I disagree with this from the base of my soul. | ||
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On November 16 2012 11:03 debears wrote: He's confirmed town imo. Let scum deal with him. We are not lynching hopeless <3 I don't follow. | ||
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On November 16 2012 11:06 Hopeless1der wrote: I was, I still think you're scummy. I need to reread just in case, but yes, I was going to shoot you. Do you think I'm a good lynch today? | ||
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On November 16 2012 18:09 Djodref wrote: I don't think it is as unlikely as it seems. I have good arguments to support this but I'm phone posting from my car so I'm not in the best position to explain them in details but here are a few hints. First things first, BH play is not town-like. Could we at least agree on this one ? Secondly, when you look at C9++, from which the setup of our game is derived from, the roles of the mafia team are given after that the roles for the town are decided. So the mafia team have more info than us about the roles. My point is that for a goon, goon, GF scumteam, it is not so risky for a troll goon to claim JK, as it is less likely to have a real JK. Thirdly, voting against Hapa could have been a soft bus vote rather than a real bus vote because a Hapa lynch was unlikely to happen. Nobody could have foresaw it, especially with the Kickstart switch coming from nowhere. I agree with the bolded. On November 16 2012 18:17 Djodref wrote: It pisses me off that you don't want to consider a BH lynch given his prestation for all D1/N1. I understand that it is not likely for him to be scum given the circumstances but I think that he has taken advantge of it to auto proclaim himself ”confirmed town” when his play shows the opposite. I don't like this at all and I'm not dropping this case until people start to realize that he is likely to be a goon after all. It's still early D2 so I'll get some time to consider other players so please don't try to shush by stating that a BH lynch is not going to happen. I agree with the bolded. | ||
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I agree with the bolded of the first post. On November 16 2012 18:17 Djodref wrote: It pisses me off that you don't want to consider a BH lynch given his prestation for all D1/N1. I understand that it is not likely for him to be scum given the circumstances but I think that he has taken advantge of it to auto proclaim himself ”confirmed town” when his play shows the opposite. I don't like this at all and I'm not dropping this case until people start to realize that he is likely to be a goon after all. It's still early D2 so I'll get some time to consider other players so please don't try to shush by stating that a BH lynch is not going to happen. This logic I do not understand. Do you think he's scum or do you think he's not confirmed town? | ||
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I made a mistake yesterday when I said "there's no way" I simply believe he is a really bad lynch today, with the main reason being if he's JK he want scum to either kill him or roleblock him. | ||
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I would reconsider a BH lynch D3, yes. | ||
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First thing to look at is his "unintentional VT claim". On November 13 2012 10:02 strongandbig wrote: also fuck you zboson i wanted to fakeclaim miller as vt since then people couldn't say "oh he's fakeclaiming miller must mean he's scum" when i fakeclaim miller as scum but now if i did that people would be like "two millers what are the odds" and then probably lynch you so no good on that one People claim this post come across as natural, but going through the thinking process of it, I disagree. As town: Okay, so someone claimed miller when I wanted to, so I'll just make a little joke about it and move on. "Haha you guys, I was gonna totally fakeclaim miller that game!" Then you re-read your post.... wait a minute, don't I look scummy like this? I guess I better change that to "fakeclaim miller as vt" Okay, so far it makes sense, but here's my problem. In this scenario he added the vt on purpose, but later on he claims it was an accident. On November 13 2012 10:49 strongandbig wrote: lol On November 13 2012 10:52 strongandbig wrote: okay so that "lol" was when I was reading the thread and ppl were like "omg vote him he claimed vt" and then I was like, wtf are they talking about when did I claim vt? and then I was like, "oh." yeah so, oops? On November 13 2012 10:53 strongandbig wrote: well, I guess I did, but it wasn't on purpose As scum: Scum love implying they are town, as mentioned, and that's exactly what this post does. I do not see a way for this action to be town motivated, so it is scum motivated. Or SK, I guess. As for the rest of day one, just look at his filter. The first two pages are him trying to be funny, trying to be trolly and the closest he comes to playing mafia is calling things stupid/smart/wrong/right. No actual analysis, nothing that helps town. On November 14 2012 03:56 strongandbig wrote: this is much more like what i expect out of hapahauli, i guess it just took a little while for him to get into character. that said his case is pretty bad for reasons i explained above Wait, what reasons? Seriously I looked real hard to find them and couldn't. At this point of the game Strongandbig has succeeded in making us zone him out. We read his posts, but we don't really take them in. We don't care, he's that guy that did that stupid thing but it's not really scummy, right? On November 14 2012 04:02 strongandbig wrote: you're misinterpreting it, i think he's saying you're setting up to start a wagon without looking bad later because you started a wagon on a townie. this is true. not sure being hypocritical is a scum tell coming from bh. probably is but only a small one? agree so this is true but you and iamp have a very different character as players i haven't decided whether I agree with this or not. idk overall i feel kind of suspicious of bh right now, but it isn't because he's being 'hypocritical', it's just because his play this game has a different feel to it than last time - like, last time he was making a bajillion cases and yelling at everyone and it was pretty obvy he was town. that said, i was scum last time and knew he was town, so maybe it felt different to me. More noise. This is true, this is true, this might be true, I disagree with this. Overall null tell. This is posting for the sake of posting if I've ever seen it. Who posts for the sake of posting? Scum, because they know everyone is town so it's hard to make cases, so anything they can get away with that won't be noticed is great for them. On November 14 2012 22:43 strongandbig wrote: I can get behind this part (bolding by me) man though when will people start to realize - "you were inconsistent" is not sufficient to establish that someone is scum. You either have to show that their inconsistency has a scum motivation or you have to show that from a particular player, being inconsistent is a scum tell based on their meta. Townies change their mind too! Just saying "scum like to be inconsistent" is not sufficient! Scum motivations for being inconsistent are things like (-) going along with whatever the thread sentiment is at the time (-) buddying whoever has thread control (-) appearing to contribute without having to take strong positions (-) switching off of scum buddies or onto strong townies when a bandwagon goes further than they expected You can't just say "lol an inconsistency! Scum!" You have to do quite a bit more work than that. this is better - at least it's actually a real argument for him being scum. It's fundamentally a meta case, and therefore it would be better with quotes from other games by darthpunk or at least a guide for what other people should look for in his filter in specific games of his, but darthpunk is usually kind of a character so the case is easier to make here. Bolding by me - these are the central points of this case. This is #1 out of the two posts he's made all game that actually contribute, and in this case it's calling someone's case bad. Not bad as in, you're scum, just bad. The other post where he contributes is calling out hopeless on his list post, pointing out inconsistencies. Hopeless right now is confirmed to not be scum, coincidence? Maybe. Association with Cross None, nada, zilch. Normally I'd call this a big tell but strongandbig hasn't had interactions with a lot of people this game. Nothing to be seen here I guess. Assocation with Hapa His posts pertaining hapa: nothing interesting, really. He calls Hapa off his game at one point, and he calls his case bad without explanation. + Show Spoiler + On November 14 2012 03:56 strongandbig wrote: this is much more like what i expect out of hapahauli, i guess it just took a little while for him to get into character. that said his case is pretty bad for reasons i explained above On November 14 2012 22:39 strongandbig wrote: lol hapa this post almost persuaded me to vote for BH On November 15 2012 08:21 strongandbig wrote: this is true like all that stuff about "not voting your top scumread" that's only important when votes actually matter, i don't get this obsession people have with who voted who for what reason during the first six hours of the day The only post that stood out to me was this: On November 15 2012 11:22 strongandbig wrote: man i wish i was here instead of playing dota that last minute vote switch was one for the ages Explaining where he was, and how awesome the voteswitch was. I would say this post is a null tell, if not for the fact that not once before has strongandbig explained where he was, but suddenly he needs an excuse? Why on earth is a townie playing dota at lynchtime, rather than f5ing the shit out of this thread like the rest of us? He wasn't "playing dota", he was here like the rest of us but didn't know what to say, his scumbuddy hapa was getting screwed over by impulse, best pretend to not be here! Not only is this a weird thing to say, he says it a full 10 minutes after he gets back, as if he realized "oh shit I gotta explain where I was" On November 15 2012 10:47 strongandbig wrote: this is stupid dont be voting dp ##unvote ##vote: zboson On November 15 2012 11:12 strongandbig wrote: lol lol You were playing dota for 20-25 minutes? Possible, I guess. Unlikely. Even if you were it shows a lack of caring what's going to happen at lynchtime. At the time it was Zbo or Darth, and strongandbig knows they're both town and he's safe, so time to go do something else! I don't know about you guys, but if I'm around as lynchtime and I'm town, I'm on the edge of my seat, spamming f5, waiting for the nightpost to go up. My final point is his last post, at time of writing: On November 16 2012 12:06 strongandbig wrote: Okay lol this is stupid meh, marv is gone so I guess I'll actually have to try tomorrow .... T_T Oh well, see y'all then. Oh and if anyone has a case other than "he's been trolling" pls post it so I can respond to it. If you're gonna lynch me for docking around day 1 then fine do it, cause I dicked around day 1. It was fun. Claiming he wasn't trying at all, but now he will!!! What made him so motivated to try, all of a sudden? The fact that marv died so town needs a leader? No. It's marv's post before getting nightkilled, where he says if cross flips red, strongandbig should be lynched next. 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This game uses a semi-open modified C9++ setup. Namely, there are no Innocent Children (Changed to millers), docs are changed to jailkeepers (because I think they are more interesting mechanics wise), nor are there single shot cops/Jailers/roleblockers, and any vigis are single shot variety. No role is guaranteed, and the presence of one role doesn't guarantee or preclude the existance of any other. The way I read that is no. | ||
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Especially the early voters, they might just be trying to get townie points, it was extremely unlikely that hapa was gonna get lynched. On November 15 2012 11:21 Clarity_nl wrote: Ok. Couple of thoughts without looking back. The assumption that everyone who jumped on hapa is town is bad. Odds are, the last two people who jumped on hapa are town. To me it seems likely that there is scum in the first couple of people jumping on hapa, because they didn't expect (like me) him to get lynched. Easy townie points with nearly no risk. Marv was unusually quiet near the end. BH said jump on hapa, lol jk wait d2, lol lets jump on hapa ##vote Hapa. Now he's claiming town credit? Ehhh.... | ||
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For the same reason I said the last ones to jump on are most likely town. You don't have to use all caps to get your point across. | ||
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Hapahauli (6): Z-BosoN, Blazinghand, debears, iamperfection, Kickstart, DarthPunk All of these people are confirmed town? | ||
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On November 16 2012 23:43 iamperfection wrote: im not using the word confirmed im just saying its stupid to look at them over other players at this point. I agree with this. | ||
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I think debears' train of though of: - People on hapa less likely scum - You weren't on hapa, that's scummy Is the wrong way to go about it. | ||
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I'm not disagreeing with you, but I don't want people to get it into their heads that they can ignore everyone who was on hapa and take their word as gospel. | ||
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On November 17 2012 00:06 debears wrote: Clarity, which has less assumptions? Scum voting for hapa: Wanted to bus their active, best player and godfather for town cred d1 on a last minute voteswing Wanted to bus said player over zbo, who had 8 votes on him on a last minute voteswing Wanted to depend on crossfire and himself to carry the team. Lol *remember how hapa said he was afk? Why would scum do that if hapa wasnt in the thread and couldnt talk himself out of being lynched? So dumb* Scum voting not hapa: Easy lynch on Zbo Save the godfather and best mafia player By that logic, I now find djo town. Scum thrawn wouldve voted zbo to save hapa *the voting was close. Scum risks almost nothing by switching off hapa* Now Djo is town? I thought you just listed him as top 3 likely. | ||
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Hapa and crossfire voted zbo. Conclusion, zbo is town?!? | ||
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On November 17 2012 00:18 debears wrote: Zbo had 8 votes on him with 5 minutes left. 2 of those votes were scum. Yeah theyd surely bus him d1 Over Hapa, yes I'd think so. On November 17 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote: does that make him scum or does it simply displease you. If you want to say something to him in regards to him being scum or not then say it otherwise stop wasting time. Just saying it and gauging his response. I'm not ignoring the possibility of him being scum, no. But I'm leaning town on him still. | ||
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I actually didn't consider an SK trying to shoot marv, that's an interesting thought. | ||
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On November 17 2012 00:44 Djodref wrote: I think we should not speculate too much over the possibility of an SK until we see 2 kills during one night. Yeah I'm pretty sure we were done. =] | ||
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This would be my third game, kinda. I got modkilled for sending Rad a PM in my first game. | ||
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On November 17 2012 00:51 iamperfection wrote: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9++ There cant be more than 3 scum. Also if we take the blues word there isn't two scum. Thanks. | ||
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On November 17 2012 00:57 Djodref wrote: Yeah but this creates confusion and it can be a great opportunity to catch scum. I think it would have been more difficult to find you last game if not for the Cheesecake situation which was also last minute. I think it's difficult for scum to fake emotional last minute decisions (I personally think that intuition and rationality still take a small part). How do you think we found you last game ? I think I would've been lynched if it wasn't for the cheese stuff, he simply delayed it a day. My D1 play was piss poor. I disagree with you though. Imagine Hapa flipping town, we wouldn't have much to go on. Scum can easily hide in chaos. I think last game I actually managed to hide in the chaos. | ||
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We're not lynching BH today, revisit it tomorrow. Stop it with the setup speculation. We are in the setup we are in, it doesn't matter what the chances were of the setup being X, Y or Z. Blazing could be scum, but he's currently not the scummiest player, by far. So drop it and move on. | ||
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On November 17 2012 05:56 strongandbig wrote: Now, it looks like the "cases" on me (such as they are) mostly boil down to "lol kill the troll." That's scum doing your thinking for you. No, it's not "kill the troll". It's "kill the anti-town who's likely to flip scum" Scum don't sit there and troll and hope they win; or if they do, they are morons and will lose. Scum try to look like they're helping town; they try to look pro-town without actually being pro-town, or sometimes they actually do try and play pro-town but just do so in a way that doesn't aim town at their teammates. But scum don't sit there and post "lol lol," unless they've established for themselves a character in other games that they think will allow them to get away with posting "lol lol". wifomwifomwifomwifomwifomwifomwifom Other than "he's a troll let's kill him with fire so he can't regenerate hit points," there seem to be two arguments in favor of lynching me: that I haven't done much to help town except sit here and troll; and, alternatively, that I've been posting the way I have as part of an elaborate plot to play "outside my scum meta" Again, you're missing the point. I don't buy your VT claim, and I don't buy the fact that in the last 10 minutes before lynchtime you went off to play dota, true or not, doesn't matter." The "he hasn't been helping town" argument is stupid as an argument for why to kill me. You don't want to kill people who aren't helping town, unless you think they are scum. Wasting your kill on a townie who's not trying hurts town way more than that townie ever did. "He hasn't been helping town" is also stupid as an argument for why I'm scum. I haven't been pretending to help town without actually doing it, which is what scum do. What I've been doing is posting my honest unfiltered thoughts for the thread. Scum don't do that. It's too easy to fuck up and get caught, through inconsistency, through letting loose extra information, or just through generally revealing their mindset. The last three paragraphs are all an overexplanation. You didn't care whatsoever until you got attention and votes, which alignment would do that? Seeing as you know so much about how scum thinks?" Scum don't sit around and just kind of grumple around in the thread. Scum will either try to follow the thread or to mislead the thread, and I was not doing either of those. Like half my posts were expressing my very real suspicions of BH, even though no one was really listening to me. wifomwifomwifomwifomwifomwifomwifomwifom Now, let's look at the other argument - "he's posting like this because of his 'scum meta'." I never made this argument. In fact very early into the thread someone pointed out you're not like either meta, so we have to read you by what you've done THIS game, the answer is nothing. First, this argument is wrong, for a couple of reasons. If I was really trying to "go against my scum meta" by consciously manipulating my posting, I would be trying to emulate my "town meta" rather than "just posting whatever the fuck I feel like." There may or may not be a difference between my "town meta" and my "scum meta". That difference is plain if you just look at the last scum game I played. However, the difference isn't "when I'm town I troll and when I'm scum I tryhard." I can tryhard plenty as town too; my town games have had a variety of different posting styles and argumentative styles. It would be way easier for me to fit within that spectrum if I was doing this to avoid being caught by a meta case. There's one other reason why this argument is bad. It relies on the implicit assumption that I'm functionally retarded. For me to think that "posting nothing but non-grammatical insults and generally make myself look like a huge troll who doesn't care" is the proper reaction to hearing "your posts tend to feel more constructed when you're scum" would be ridiculous. If my primary motivation really was "avoid being caught on a meta case," there are other ways of playing that would have been both (A) far more effective, and (B) much easier to fake than what I did on day 1 of this game. Like, in my two recent scum games, I've "done nothing but sheep other people's cases and try to blend in" and "try to be a town leader by claiming blue really early and pushing cases really hard and shit." There's a whole spectrum of room between those two that I could have hidden in. If you really believe that I'm scum because my posts were "intentionally constructed to seem off-the-cuff and poorly thought out", then you have to also believe that I'm stupid. I'm not stupid. The fact that you are not stupid is working against you. You choose to be stupid D1 and N1. Town motivation: None Scum motivation: Be able to post without people really caring. I don't make a meta argument, and you come out saying "as scum I play like this!" Really? | ||
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On November 17 2012 23:59 strongandbig wrote: Yeah so here's what I'm going to do now - I'm going to read the cases on ZB, and his defenses, and peoples' reactions to them, and tell you what I think of that stuff. I think that's the second highest priority for me right now after trying to convince people that BH is scum. BTW clarity, let's talk about a couple of things regarding your conviction that I'm scum. (1) Part of your case was that I was lying about playing dota at deadline. Now that I've provided proof that I was not lying, does that part change? (2) You commented on the first part of my defense, which I think of as the "answers to general arguments for me being scum." However, you haven't commented on the second part of my defense, the "explanation of my filter." There were several things in there that I think were important in terms of responding to the arguments you make in your case. I would like you to tell me what you think of the following points I make:
1) I addressed the possibility of you not lying and actually playing dota, and I explained why it is still scumlike behavior for me. Please do not get insulted if I call you, or anyone, a liar in this game. It's mafia, people lie. I mean no personal offence. 2)
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On November 18 2012 00:14 strongandbig wrote: Clarity do you still feel suspicious about BH's behavior close to the deadline? His switch from DP to Zbo seemed genuine to me. I haven't looked into him enough to give you an accurate read though, but currently I'm willing to at least let him live. Revisit it tomorrow. | ||
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So I don't know if it's genuine. I'll be back in an hour and will answer any questions, sorry for running away from ya. | ||
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On November 18 2012 02:40 debears wrote: Just found this in the thread. Notice that both comments are after lynch deadline is over. Hapa knows he is lynched at this point. Why does he bring up Z-Bo out of all people? There was BH and me on him the whole time. But he brings up Z-Bo out of all people. Why does his demeanor change so quickly from pissed at Z-Bo to "gg yo"? Hapa's remark on Z-Bo feels forced reading this @Iamp LOL Hapa is a really good player from the games I've read that he's in. He flipped red, your argument is major WIFOM. I've said this before, if you're going to make an association case, make it a player's interactions with hapa/cross, not hapa/cross's interactions with a player. | ||
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We don't know the reason, but it was clear thrawn wasn't in this game fully. It's possible that hapa got lynched and he got pissed and ragequited, but it's possible he didn't. Djo replaced him today, and I think so far he's making much more sense than Thrawn. Perhaps today is not the time to lynch him, give him more of a chance. The only thing I really don't like about Djo so far is his insistence on speculating on setup. | ||
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I see we lynched Zbo, and I can't say I agree with this, his deathpost was super legit, you guys really think the final scum about to lose the game was posting that? =/ | ||
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Kickstart, you mention you haven't had a town read on me all game, but I distinctly remember you saying I look townie, can you elaborate? | ||
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On November 18 2012 10:19 DarthPunk wrote: I did read it. I still think he is scum. If he is town it holds more value for me than it does currently. It looks exactly how he thinks it would. A mechanism to escape from his lynch. It only becomes useful when he dies. There is no one I want to lynch over ZB. And the only person I would consider is clarity. I realize you're bitter because you've been useless all game, but dying townies had a super duper town read on me. You're in such a good position because you were the hammer vote, why don't you use it to push some actual reads. SnB and Djo were on BH at the end? really? One of these has to be scum.... come on..... or they just really don't care. SnB where the fuck were you? | ||
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On November 18 2012 14:29 Kickstart wrote: I think other layers look more town than you. Come to think if it, if it came down to it BH should go before you imo. So 1st snb 2nd djo 3rd BH And how you interpreted me saying that some roles are going to lie (namely scum and SK if there is one) as I am going to lie I don't know Djo. That's not what I asked. | ||
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I'm thinking about the mass claim, but it's hard to justify exposing all our blues. I'll go along if others do. | ||
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Although currently my townread on him is quickly fading, and I feel bad about being so blind towards him now. Going filter hunting. He's still leaning town. | ||
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Currently the scum that looks to be buddying up with a scummy town to look more towny is Djo or SnB. Currently Kickstart, Darth, debears, blazing are ALL not contributing. And it's driving me up the goddamn wall. | ||
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On November 18 2012 15:29 Kickstart wrote: I don't feel like saying much more tbh, nothing has changed. We should not have lynched ZB we should have lynched SnB, this is how I felt then and how I feel now and it is how I will vote. I still am not sure how mass claim will clear anything up Djo. Here is how it will work: Bh claims JK, hope claims vig, everyone else will say VT. We don't require a claim to figure out that this is how it will turn out. My point is I think we are just as well off not claiming but again, if a majority of people want to then whatever I will as it makes no real difference to me, I just don't think it will shed as much light on the situation as you do. Fuck me dude. Reasons. Don't just give us 1. SnB 2. Djo 3. BH THIS ISNT HELPFUL. You're repeating what most of us have been saying for a while. GIVE US REASONS. | ||
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On November 18 2012 16:18 Blazinghand wrote: Or rather, that he develop them and push cases other than me. IF he views me as his top scumread that's fine but he's avoiding any sort of accountability this way. I agree. I find your extreme reaction to djo's plan quite weird though. When it comes to night actions, no one should be directing them, blues should figure it out. (you can suggest them, obviously, but not pushing for them) However this is not about night actions. Djo is talking about a mass claim, something that requires discussion. You don't want 3 people to figure out on their own if a mass claim plan is a good idea or not. I wasn't a fan of all Djo's setup speculation during D2 but his plan currently deserves consideration. | ||
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I've read games with veterans on these forums where mass claims were discussed and even happened. This is not a black and white issue. | ||
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On November 18 2012 16:43 Blazinghand wrote: Absolutely. There's only one blue left given the setup size (unless it's like 2 masons) and if the last scum decides to fake-claim blue, it's important that the last blue counter-claim him. So you just admitted to not reading Djo's setup speculation at all. | ||
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Anyway, djo proved there could be 4 blues, with the setup Keir used and the current info we have. Although it's unlikely. | ||
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If they plan on claiming, during the resolution would be the best time. If a blue claims during resolution, remaining blues (if they exist) should claim and all the vt's should claim. What do you think, Djo? | ||
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But I think we're done with setup speculation for now, if you agree with my conclusion. On November 18 2012 16:58 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay. I agree with the fact that blues should choose whether to claim or not. If they plan on claiming, during the resolution would be the best time. If a blue claims during resolution, remaining blues (if they exist) should claim and all the vt's should claim. What do you think, Djo? | ||
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And with that I'm off, will be around... sort of, but won't be actively reading filters until my evening (8 ish hours from now) | ||
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I'm town. That's my defense. I never aggressively defended hapa or cross, I was against emotionally lynching someone. Read debears' case on hapa, it WAS omgus. | ||
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Is it weird that I took hapa's word that he didn't forge or misinterpret a skype chatlog? | ||
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Debears' case WAS omgus. I wasn't defending debears when it came to the "is cross smurf?" I was attacking debears. I don't like last minute shenanigans. Both townies that have died so far had a strong town read on me. WIFOM: + Show Spoiler + Why would I kill marv if I'm scum? If you're interested, look up the QT of my last scum game (I was scum). I asked my coach if I should kill the one person defending me to make some kind of super wifom defense, and my coach said: don't be an idiot, and I was like "yeah, that was a dumb idea, you're right" | ||
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Kickstarter, I've explained before why just sitting back and saying who you think is scummy is not enough. Darth, you said the only person you're willing to lynch over zbo was me, make a fucking case. Hopeless, seriously dude you are the closest we have to confirmed town, you have nothing to fear, this is the perfect time to read read read and get a read going. I would also like everyone who voted zbo to explain why they didnt switch after his death post. Did it LOOK like a fucking WIFOM bomb? He called the towny players town and he called the scummy players scum. | ||
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It was me actually trying to make the town active as well by pointing out certain people and asking questions. If you can't tell the difference that's not my fault. Kickstart no one has personally attacked anyone else this game. | ||
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On November 18 2012 23:09 Kickstart wrote: I was not referring to a singular post. And stop trying to read scum from me asking that people stop attacking people personally and cussing them etc, that is silly. Who said anything about scum. And if not a single post is a personal attack, then there are no personal attacks. No one dislikes you as a person. Please give us some reads with something you noticed or w/e | ||
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Seriously, what do you classify as a personal attack? We can have this conversation after the game ends if you prefer, I guess. | ||
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No, those are my strongest townreads currently, which I don't see changing anytime soon. Yes, my "you're all so inactive!" was probably not fair. But if you think I'm trying to get townie points by insulting a bunch of people, you are wrong. | ||
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On November 19 2012 00:56 debears wrote: Clarity, you know me full well after last game that I omgus when I find someones shitty reasoning for attacking me. It made you and sylver scum reads to me d1 last game. And guess what? I was right Yes. I realize this. But I did not find your case convincing. I only say this because blazing's case quoted me saying your case was omgus. I simply replied to him, by saying it was omgus. Now you quote that, saying that it was omgus. YES I KNOW Sigh at all of that. | ||
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I was actually super certain you were going to lynch snb though. | ||
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@ debears On November 16 2012 23:57 debears wrote: Let me help you out Town: Me Iamp Kickstart Dp Zbo 2 scum voted zbo. He's town. <snip> On November 17 2012 00:06 debears wrote: Clarity, which has less assumptions? Scum voting for hapa: Wanted to bus their active, best player and godfather for town cred d1 on a last minute voteswing Wanted to bus said player over zbo, who had 8 votes on him on a last minute voteswing Wanted to depend on crossfire and himself to carry the team. Lol *remember how hapa said he was afk? Why would scum do that if hapa wasnt in the thread and couldnt talk himself out of being lynched? So dumb* Scum voting not hapa: Easy lynch on Zbo <snip> On November 17 2012 00:18 debears wrote: Zbo had 8 votes on him with 5 minutes left. 2 of those votes were scum. Yeah theyd surely bus him d1 And all of that led to..... On November 18 2012 01:31 debears wrote: ##unvote ##vote zbo 1) zbo a lot of us have noticed your meta is different. And it isn't your amount of posting that's it. Its how you have not pursued your scumreads. You tunneled me to death when I played with you. You haven't done shit this game 2) you're a liability heading into lylo. With your difference in meta and the miller claim, there will always be that doubt in the back of our heads 3) you chose to make a case on thrawn/djo. Its curteousy to allow replacements time to get in the game, especially when 2 scum are already gone. Also, you're reasoning is bullshit. Replacing out of a game cuz one of your scum partners being killed would result in penalties. Its unsportsmanlike. 4) early d1, you had your suspicions on me. Yet, when I pointed out snbs claim, you jumped on him while continueing to be suspicious of me and lecture me 5) after your vote on snb, hapa attacked dp for voting snb and ignored your vote on snb, although you voted first Can't post more right now our internet is down in our dorms. Yay 3g on phone "Zbo you are a liability and more likely scum than snb" ?????? I don't understand. | ||
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I find his disappearing act quite annoying. His D1 play seemed legitimate but the more people said they had a townread on him the more he faded away into the background, where he is supposedly reading everything yet "nothing changed since last I gave my opinion" I still think he's town, but I'm doubting. | ||
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You call him town like five times, and then you make a case off of stuff that's already been discussed for you, and you think he's suddenly scum. | ||
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On November 17 2012 00:18 debears wrote: Zbo had 8 votes on him with 5 minutes left. 2 of those votes were scum. Yeah theyd surely bus him d1 | ||
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The order does matter. I'd be shocked if the scum shoots you or hopeless. | ||
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On November 19 2012 04:35 debears wrote: Did you see how hapa soft defended him at the end when he switched to me?? Again. You are making points that have all been made. This one in particular that you just mentioned is terrible. You had all this information when you called him town. You went from a town read on zbo to MOST SCUMMY in an hour. How. | ||
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It's possible, but why would you be so insistent on him being town if you haven't read through his stuff or thought about it. | ||
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On November 19 2012 04:42 debears wrote: In an hour? Hour and 13 minutes. On November 19 2012 02:06 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay Djo, I just wanted to make sure, thanks. @ debears And all of that led to..... "Zbo you are a liability and more likely scum than snb" ?????? I don't understand. | ||
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Hopeless - No reason to disbelieve him. He breadcrumbed his target and crossfire flipped red. CONFIRMED NOT SCUM. Possibility of SK, but very small. DO NOT LYNCH. iamperfection - Town. Not much more to say. He's super duper town of townyness. Darthpunk - Seriously not happy about his D2 and N2, but he was the hammer vote on hapa and his behavior is consistent. Blazinghand - Sigh, he's town. I kinda wish he wasn't. Unless some crazy claims happen there's no way he's not JK. Djodref - Not a good lynch. Setup speculation is annoying as fuck but it's not necesarilly scummy. Other than that he seems like his town self so far. Thrawn was rather scummy but we don't know why he got replaced so we can't really use thrawn's posts against djo. Anyone who does is dumb or scum. debears - Ack. I really don't know man. D1 he brushed off accusations like he didn't care at all, which is not his town meta. He 180'd on Zbo D2, and 180'd on me. Insisting that everyone on hapa is town is weird, and he keeps trying to take credit for stuff. Please read this guy's filter. My gut says scum, but I'm having a lot of trouble finding stuff to make a good case. Kickstart - Starting to doubt. He dissapeared after it was clear he was considered town. Please push this guy to make more original reads on people. Do not accept the answer "Nothing has changed since last time I gave reads", because it has. Compare his Day 1 to his Day 2 and you'll see. strongandbig - Scum. Doesn't care about the game unless he's under pressure, then suddenly he posts like a god. Perfectly happy to do nothing at all. Lynch him D3. I don't know how he got away D2. I am actually hoping that Kickstart claims Cop or something during this grace period, it would explain some things. | ||
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Inactivity was a bad word to use. People were playing like we'd already won. | ||
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Darth, I asked you to make a case on me since you mentioned you still had a scumread on me D2, and your case on D1 was rather terrible. If someone else was your scumread I'd ask you to make a case on them. I'm not gonna ask you to make a case on someone you don't mention is a scumread of yours, and so far you've only mentioned me. The fact that you haven't made a case kinda sucks, but ya know. It's easy to see if someone is town when they are making a case on town. | ||
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The cop checks the scum, it's game over. #1 priority for scum is to kill the cop. He doesn't give a shit about confirmed townies right now. Am I really the only one seeing this? Hopeless you might be confirmed townie but what have you done with it so far? You have a vote, that's it. | ||
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The scum has to nk and mislynch three times. Kickstart will have already done 2 checks. If he kills hopeless the cop will have checked 3 times. He doesn't even know who the cop is. You think he'll kill blazing next night?!?!? There's no way kickstart won't have checked him by then. Scum has to lynch blind hoping to hit the cop, it's his only chance. | ||
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On November 19 2012 10:50 Hopeless1der wrote: We don't know if we have a cop or who that supposed cop has checked. You make a good point though about shooting blind, but I still think I'm a very likely target. I make a very good point.... BUT YOU JUST CALLED ME WRONG. iamp MADE THE SAME POINT I DID, THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE, A COUPLE OF POSTS LATER. FUCK | ||
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There is no risk/reward here, hopeless would be a bad night kill. | ||
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Hopeless is a bad nk, meaning he's a bad target for JK. | ||
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He coulda added reasons to people he didn't check or something. Sigh. =/ | ||
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Let's make him post useful stuff again. | ||
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On November 19 2012 11:09 strongandbig wrote: man why are you guys voting me again like, just read the defense stuff i posted last time Yeah, you put up an amazing well thought out defense that blew everyone away. Then disappeared again after you weren't getting lynched. | ||
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On November 19 2012 11:09 iamperfection wrote: he checked hopeless or cross i think going through his reads. Well fuck. | ||
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On November 19 2012 11:12 strongandbig wrote: ##vote blazinghand maybe people will just follow me around for no reason They won't | ||
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So look for a setup WITHOUT scum roleblocker, vigi/cop/miller | ||
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On November 19 2012 11:18 iamperfection wrote: oh were you role blocked bh? Yeah he said so. Doesn't tell us anything though. | ||
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On November 19 2012 11:19 Blazinghand wrote: for what it's worth, me claiming being RBed PROBABLY means if I'm scum I'm not a mafia RB since it would be effortless for me to just use my power to support my fake claim. Take that with a goblet of wine, but even if it's wine in front of you, some wine in front of you is easier to drink the others On November 19 2012 11:17 Clarity_nl wrote: We even know that there is no roleblocker in scum lineup, if we work from the assumption that blazing is scum. So look for a setup WITHOUT scum roleblocker, vigi/cop/miller | ||
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Seriously it looks like you're scum with a masterplan, and pride is getting in the way. | ||
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I'm go to bed, night. | ||
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You insistence on SAYING you're playing well looks scummy to me. | ||
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Yes I'm still here, shut up. | ||
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I look forward to seeing your "updated" reads. | ||
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There are 50 pages of people analyizing and interacting. This doesn't strengthen or weaken your reads? | ||
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If he somehow flips green it's a toss up between djo and you, and I agree with what you just said about djo.... Your disappearance day 2 is quite unsettling, and if you have a better explanation than "I had nothing to say" I would like to hear it. | ||
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On November 19 2012 23:36 iamperfection wrote: i get more of sense that he got lazy or bored. It's rather annoying because I'm having trouble seeing the difference. Isn't it rather convenient to be "lazy/bored town"? Although to be fair hopeless and darth have been doing that too.... sigh | ||
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On November 19 2012 23:46 iamperfection wrote: he is implying you already know the result of the lynch. I really need to stop assuming people are aware of the obvious, if that bears explaining... =/ | ||
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I'll be taking quite a bit to go over stuff, because if snb flips town somehow I'm not quite sure at the moment who is most likely scum. Despite being the hammer vote I might have to reconsider darth, but more likely is Djo.... Back with more, later. | ||
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I'm trying to ignore thrawn's stuff altogether but it's obviously in the back of my head. Although the setup speculation helped it really got on my nerves and it seemed to be all you were willing to talk about. I haven't made a case on you because I haven't been focusing on you much, and there's nothing that stands out as inherently scummy. But look at the players we'll have left after snb gets lynched (assuming he flips town). To me everyone on that list is rather townie, and you are probably the least towny out of them atm. Your argument that darth hasn't taken advantage of his position can be said about hopeless and kickstart as well. | ||
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On November 20 2012 04:09 Blazinghand wrote: From the way he's playing, though, I'm pretty sure this last scum player is a moron. Like, judging from his nks and choice of RBs, he lacks even a rudimentary understanding of the game and has made several mistakes. Honestly at this point he should just leave mafia and never come back. I guess his mother dropped him on his head a lot as a child, because she couldn't bear to look at his nasty-ass face. I can't tell if this is supposed to be some kind of bait for the scum player but I'm just gonna come out and say you're wrong. nk marv night one, a super strong townie, nk debears n2, who is cop. He roleblocks you both times because he knows you're JK. How on earth is he playing badly? I'm actually curious to hear your reasoning. If you think I'm scummier because of this post, go right ahead. I'm kind of tired of this game. Either strongandbig is scum and he's using wifom as his last defense, or he's town and he's playing horribly as town. Both are kind of annoying and dumb. | ||
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Quote all the quotes Comment LOLOLOLOL Say I'm taking the easy road? | ||
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I wasn't obsessed with your vt claim, I pointed it out with a vote, then asked you wtf you were doing cause you were being an idiot, then I replied to a question asking me to clarify. BH convinced me as scum to go for cop, when BH didn't even fucking understand my point about scum having to go for cop. Your case is just going to my filter, quoting a ton of posts, and going "lol" or "meh" at it. You make exactly two points in your entire case, one of which has already been pointed out. | ||
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On November 20 2012 06:48 strongandbig wrote: okay then do it but that's not the entirety of it - you have to demonstrate that he's doing easy things to come across as town without actually being townie/promoting town objectives in a substantive way. I won't, because it's stupid, like your case. Clearly I have not helped town in any way. Is anyone around to give their thoughts? | ||
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Just one last thing before I go to bed: When I ask a question I don't give my opinion on them, it would be dumb if I did. I'd be giving someone the answer to my question. When I ask a question I expect a certain kind of answer, and if the answer differs from my expectation that will make me suspicious. Explaining my reasoning for asking a question would negate all of that, so I simply ask it. If you think asking a lot of questions is easy/scummy, I urge you to look at the context of my questions. You'll find they make perfect sense. I'm either getting the person I ask to open up because they've been quiet, trying to elicit a reaction out of the person I'm asking or I'm getting a second pair of eyes on my suspicions. Not only is SnB's case on me extremely hypocritical, it's also completely wrong. Just because he made the longest case ever does not mean it is a good one. His only point is that I'm trying to look pro-town, which is scummy. If you guys truly believe my posts are me trying to look pro-town without being pro-town then go ahead and vote me, but once I flip vt you guys better lynch SnB. Been saying it for 5 days and no one has disagreed. Good night. | ||
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There is none I suppose. Just frustrated. | ||
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Seriously guys, you think I'm spamming without content? | ||
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Your case is such cherry picking. You say he's not scum hunting but he was tunneling blazing. You say giving a scumread and townreads is bad when there is 1 scum left? If he is scum giving too many town reads would be bad for him since he'd have to flip flop eventually. I'm really sad at the level of hypocrisy everyone has this game. Darth and hopeless are in such a brilliant position to just look for scum and contribute, but then they don't and eventually make cases about how others haven't contributed. But they have. | ||
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On November 20 2012 22:02 DarthPunk wrote: It was wishy washy. But I don't really care what you think. The conclusion was that he was a newbie. And that was not difficult to see for anyone. Some conclusion right there. It is worse for him that you asked him to make that post because that was his only real analysis or contribution on anything even remotely consisting of scum hunting. Without that he has done none whatsoever. No, his conclusion was he was newbie town. And the fact that you don't "care what I think" says a lot about how you're playing this game. Badly. | ||
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How dare someone while giving a townread point out the things that could be considered scummy. Clearly when we call someone town we should ignore the scummy things and when we call someone scum we should ignore the towny things! | ||
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Then multiple times after that I pointed out how he goes from being a troll to suddenly contributing JUST LONG ENOUGH TO NOT GET LYNCHED and then immediately disappear again until he's at risk. Then he makes a case on me that contains half my filter and says I'm "trying to look town" How have I NOT explained why my vote is on snb? | ||
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I want my snb lynch because he is scummy. No my case is not that his contributions are inconsistent, although they are and it's scummy because of the TIMING of his contributions. MY CASE ON HIM IS MY CASE ON HIM His case on me is bad, if you think it's so good why are you going after Djo. You think we're both scum? | ||
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His "accidental vt claim" doesn't make sense because he would have either posted "I wanted to fakeclaim miller!" or realized that sounded scummy and therefore changed it to "I wanted to fakeclaim miller as vt!". If that change is there that means he willingly put "as vt" there, yet later on he says he did it by accident. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective. Day 1 all his posts have no value. They either say "I (dis)agree with this" or "this is smart/stupid" Then there's his "I was playing dota during lynchtime", which, true or not, clearly shows a scum mentality. All townies who would be awake would be f5ing the shit out of the thread. D2 he posts "well, I guess it's time to try now!" Suddenly he is motivated. And the scum motivation is that marv said if cross flips red snb is most likely scum. Then there's the whole reaction to my case. Suddenly he's contributing. But once the town stop focusing on him he disapears again, only to reappear the next daycycle but he might get lynched again. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2012 19:50 Clarity_nl wrote: Strongandbig day 1 First thing to look at is his "unintentional VT claim". People claim this post come across as natural, but going through the thinking process of it, I disagree. As town: Okay, so someone claimed miller when I wanted to, so I'll just make a little joke about it and move on. "Haha you guys, I was gonna totally fakeclaim miller that game!" Then you re-read your post.... wait a minute, don't I look scummy like this? I guess I better change that to "fakeclaim miller as vt" Okay, so far it makes sense, but here's my problem. In this scenario he added the vt on purpose, but later on he claims it was an accident. As scum: Scum love implying they are town, as mentioned, and that's exactly what this post does. I do not see a way for this action to be town motivated, so it is scum motivated. Or SK, I guess. As for the rest of day one, just look at his filter. The first two pages are him trying to be funny, trying to be trolly and the closest he comes to playing mafia is calling things stupid/smart/wrong/right. No actual analysis, nothing that helps town. Wait, what reasons? Seriously I looked real hard to find them and couldn't. At this point of the game Strongandbig has succeeded in making us zone him out. We read his posts, but we don't really take them in. We don't care, he's that guy that did that stupid thing but it's not really scummy, right? More noise. This is true, this is true, this might be true, I disagree with this. Overall null tell. This is posting for the sake of posting if I've ever seen it. Who posts for the sake of posting? Scum, because they know everyone is town so it's hard to make cases, so anything they can get away with that won't be noticed is great for them. This is #1 out of the two posts he's made all game that actually contribute, and in this case it's calling someone's case bad. Not bad as in, you're scum, just bad. The other post where he contributes is calling out hopeless on his list post, pointing out inconsistencies. Hopeless right now is confirmed to not be scum, coincidence? Maybe. Association with Cross None, nada, zilch. Normally I'd call this a big tell but strongandbig hasn't had interactions with a lot of people this game. Nothing to be seen here I guess. Assocation with Hapa His posts pertaining hapa: nothing interesting, really. He calls Hapa off his game at one point, and he calls his case bad without explanation. + Show Spoiler + On November 14 2012 03:56 strongandbig wrote: this is much more like what i expect out of hapahauli, i guess it just took a little while for him to get into character. that said his case is pretty bad for reasons i explained above On November 14 2012 22:39 strongandbig wrote: lol hapa this post almost persuaded me to vote for BH On November 15 2012 08:21 strongandbig wrote: this is true like all that stuff about "not voting your top scumread" that's only important when votes actually matter, i don't get this obsession people have with who voted who for what reason during the first six hours of the day The only post that stood out to me was this: Explaining where he was, and how awesome the voteswitch was. I would say this post is a null tell, if not for the fact that not once before has strongandbig explained where he was, but suddenly he needs an excuse? Why on earth is a townie playing dota at lynchtime, rather than f5ing the shit out of this thread like the rest of us? He wasn't "playing dota", he was here like the rest of us but didn't know what to say, his scumbuddy hapa was getting screwed over by impulse, best pretend to not be here! Not only is this a weird thing to say, he says it a full 10 minutes after he gets back, as if he realized "oh shit I gotta explain where I was" You were playing dota for 20-25 minutes? Possible, I guess. Unlikely. Even if you were it shows a lack of caring what's going to happen at lynchtime. At the time it was Zbo or Darth, and strongandbig knows they're both town and he's safe, so time to go do something else! I don't know about you guys, but if I'm around as lynchtime and I'm town, I'm on the edge of my seat, spamming f5, waiting for the nightpost to go up. My final point is his last post, at time of writing: Claiming he wasn't trying at all, but now he will!!! 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If I had to choose NOW, which I'm not informed enough to do, it would be you or Djo. I would have to look at who jumped on the snb wagon at a weird time or without explaining much. Currently though I'm focused on getting snb lynched. I made this mistake last daycycle and zbo got lynched because I wasn't pushing the snb lynch hard enough, or I wasn't hard defending zbo well enough. | ||
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All that leaves is your gut. Scummy about your current behavior is sudden emotional involvement in the game, where you showed none before, you have a scum read on me and djo. I'm town and I have a townread on djo. The fact that you think snb is town. This is all a smart way to go about things as scum. As snb will likely be lynched tomorrow if not today, so it behooves scum to keep him alive if possible. Hopeless is confirmed, bh is confirmed, iamp is town, kickstart is town, djo is neutral, you are neutral You look scummier than djo, currently, because your reads have been the polar opposite of mine all game. Like I said, I'm focusing on getting snb lynched today and I will do my research in the nightcycle. So that's all I got. | ||
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On November 20 2012 23:02 DarthPunk wrote: Contradict yourself much. Since when have you had a town read on DJO? you just put him with me as scum after S&B. you have also mentioned him as possible scum several times previously. And Sorry buddy but you are scum because you are playing the game now and have different reads to me is not a good enough reason for someone to be scum. Also I am town. Which should be crystal clear to anyone with a brain. K, night night. Yeah, cause snb is scum. If for some reason he's not then it's you or djo, probably you. Conclusion, everyone else is town. I should have said town when I ordered everyone, yes, but he's my weakest town read so it's an easy mistake to make. | ||
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On November 20 2012 23:21 iamperfection wrote: you thinks dp recent agression means he could potentially be scum? I think the opposite he had no reason to be aggressive at all. I think if snb isn't scum, it is in a scum's best interest to keep snb alive today. | ||
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I don't see a scum djo jumping on blazing in that situation I don't see a scum djo being so into the setup speculation. Generally I'd call stuff like that scummy but you really seemed like you wanted to figure shit out, and you did. The going overboard thing is your meta. I don't see scum anyone suggesting a mass roleclaim plan like you did. Those are my main points I guess. You're the same as the last two games, and you were town in those. I haven't had a moment of "yeah he's clearly town because of this", that's why my read is so slight. | ||
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On November 19 2012 08:04 strongandbig wrote: okay listen up guys I thought of this on the way back from work. If we massclaim, it will instantly confirm half of the town. The scum will have to either claim a blue role, or claim VT. We look at the blue roles that get claimed, we back out the DCTVetc, and we calculate "for this set of blue roles, how many VTs should there be" Then there will either be too many or too few VT claims. If there's too many, all the blues are confirmed. If there's too few, all the VTs are confirmed and one of the blues is scum. sup now blazingasshole Ah, this. It's different though because it's Djo who suggested this, snb is simply taking the credit. | ||
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I would've stayed on darth if people were interested in lynching him day 1, but they weren't. snb didn't ask questions day 1 at all. He gave "opinions" on stuff, but they boiled down to "you're dumb" or "I (dis)agree with this" | ||
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snb vt slip: I voted for him to pressure and to explain. He kind of explained but the explanation was terrible. I hit a point where I realized my vote was doing nothing bh: the claim was dumb regardless of alignment, I said it was dumb regardless of alignment. I didn't want everyone to dwell on it for too long since lynching a day 1 blue claim is bad unless there's a counter claim, I stand by this. hapa's attack on you I don't even remember, I'd have to look back, I will after this post. hapa's attack on debears (is the debars thing some sort of inside joke?), I don't think I ever considered voting hapa day 1, the only thing that stood out was him trying to say the snb vt claim and cheese vt claim were alike. Debears's case on hapa was complete OMGUS, so I commented on it when the post went up. | ||
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On November 14 2012 02:45 Hapahauli wrote: Yes I think it makes you scum. It's not a coherent thought process. Look at how much you rationalize your town read on Z-Boson from that claim: ...then you abandon all of this because of the "iamperfection rule" or some shit like that? I call BS. Yeah I recall seeing that and agreeing with marv, doing a complete 180 that early into day 1 is not scum like. No one really talked about it afterwards so there was no point to comment on it. | ||
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On November 21 2012 02:08 Hopeless1der wrote: 1.iamperfection 2.DarthPunk 3.Kickstart 3.Strongandbig 4.djodref 5.Clarity_nl ##Unvote: Strongandbig ##Vote: Clarity_nl I want iamperfection, DP and kickstart to live to LYLO/MYLO. I read SnB as less scummy than djo and clarity. I think clarity is our last scum. If the scum is within the three I want to live, well then I fucked up large. Otherwise, scum will die at some point from here to end-game. Okay, but why? | ||
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On November 21 2012 07:46 Blazinghand wrote: Please iamp when have I fucked up anything this game lol | ||
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Please keep in mind that it was day 1. Before my case on darth I took no strong stances. Then I took a strong stance on darth until I switched to zbo because I realized darth was not going to get lynched, and his replies started to look townie. I do not believe this is scummy. Day 1 is about collecting information and creating a town atmosphere, and there's more than 1 way to go about doing that. I ask you to look beyond day 1 as well. | ||
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On November 21 2012 08:00 iamperfection wrote: the game changed dramatically after day 1 i think in this game the interactions on day 1 are most important. After day 1 and night one the remaining scum had no ones interest but his own correct? Correct. | ||
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If I go down kicking and screaming and calling everyone idiots it will help no one. | ||
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On November 21 2012 08:09 Blazinghand wrote: OH YEAH so TL;DR iamperfection is definitely town You've made me laugh for so many different reasons this game bh | ||
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Maybe it's simply because you guys read filters without looking at the context of the posts. I cannot emphasize this enough, please look at the timing of snb's "helpful" posts. | ||
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On November 21 2012 09:37 Kickstart wrote: Well I am liking SnBs recent posts, he seems to be looking towards the end of game and trying to piece together an action plan, something I think is very much town play at this point. On November 21 2012 09:35 strongandbig wrote: or we could just lynch clarity and win right now | ||
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You just stated I have been non-committal all game, I strongly disagree. It's not why I'm getting lynched either, as far as I'm aware. It's based almost solely on my day 1. | ||
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On November 21 2012 09:50 iamperfection wrote: ## Vote clarity my gut Sorry iamp, your gut is wrong. Shoulda gone with your brain. | ||
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On November 21 2012 09:52 iamperfection wrote: did you forget day 1? shenanigans are never ruled out I am against shenanigans unless they save me. So if you wanna switch I won't yell at you. | ||
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On November 16 2012 11:04 Djodref wrote: I was following the game quite closely and I would have liked to lynch Cross or BH today. I'm quite sure Hope is not SK because it would have been totally dumb for a SK to kill such a scummy player when town is already at a good advantage. Right after he replaces thrawn after the nightpost where cross got shot. Seriously, scum doesn't do this. Djo opens by saying "Don't ignore blazing just because he's an uncontested claim" Then... On November 16 2012 18:09 Djodref wrote: I don't think it is as unlikely as it seems. I have good arguments to support this but I'm phone posting from my car so I'm not in the best position to explain them in details but here are a few hints. First things first, BH play is not town-like. Could we at least agree on this one ? Secondly, when you look at C9++, from which the setup of our game is derived from, the roles of the mafia team are given after that the roles for the town are decided. So the mafia team have more info than us about the roles. My point is that for a goon, goon, GF scumteam, it is not so risky for a troll goon to claim JK, as it is less likely to have a real JK. Thirdly, voting against Hapa could have been a soft bus vote rather than a real bus vote because a Hapa lynch was unlikely to happen. Nobody could have foresaw it, especially with the Kickstart switch coming from nowhere. This is where the setup speculation starts, and it starts for a reason. People seem to overlook this. Djo doesn't just talk about setup speculation for the sake of it, he is doing it to scumhunt. The accusations of him not scumhunting are false. The setup stuff eventually leads (poor keirathi, really) to us figuring out that hopeless and blazing are confirmed. I guess in a way the zbo lynch needed to happen because of that, but it could have waited a day, maybe scum would have nk'ed zbo because it was pretty likely he was cop or roleblocker. Anyway... Scum actually don't like to speculate setup if it might lead to confirmed townies. Scum love setup speculation, but they don't love to start it. It's the same about policy talk early D1. If a townie is talking policy you join them and ask them questions etc, but you never wanna be the one starting it. The fact that it's a null tell for so many people is weird to me. My last point in favor of djo is his case on darth. It makes sense, it doesn't seem forced. He pointed out that one of my comments pointed him towards it, which obviously gives me a stronger town read on him. If djo comes in as a scum replacement in a 1v9 situation, I think he'd be trying much harder (this might sound weird, it's not to imply you're not trying djo). He would be doing waaaaay more and making cases everywhere. He also wouldn't be throwing around town reads so willy-nilly, because he knows he'd have to 180 on them later. | ||
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On November 21 2012 10:58 iamperfection wrote: you can take things personally in this game I know I know. It was just a kneejerk gut feeling. It didn't really linger, but lasted long enough for me to go overboard on the defense. | ||
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On November 23 2012 04:12 Djodref wrote: It's ok, I was going to lose anyway... I'm glad to have fooled at least one guy  Well blazing read right through how stupid it was so I'm glad. Nice try Djo! | ||
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On November 23 2012 06:21 Hopeless1der wrote: It was more that you could have been more useful to me. You never seemed to get anywhere with your questioning playstyle. You also don't PUSH your reads, and I found that scummy. Yes, your reads were known, but I didn't feel like you were really trying to convince anyone you were right, you were just going through the motions of making a case. Okay so let's take my case on snb for example. I make the case, no one disagrees, I move on. I let the case speak for me, if my case is good I won't need to spam X IS SCUM OMG As for the questioning stuff, it all came together in my list of reads posts. I can definitely see your point though. | ||
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On November 23 2012 06:31 Hopeless1der wrote: I honestly don't know why I stop putting things into the thread. I'm always thinking about and lurking the game. A combination of BH was alive and I bought into DP's WIFOM bomb theory, and things just went downhill from there. I mentioned this during the game too and it got shot down as "calling people bad", but you truly were the only confirmed town, so you were in a unique position to lead town to victory... TT Your shot on cross was still really good though. | ||
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On November 23 2012 06:39 strongandbig wrote: nah this just doesn't work if you have a scum read you're pretty confident in, you have to herd the town like cats. You have to keep pushing people to really think about your case. That's like the biggest difference between decent town players and really good town players. everyone is right sometimes and wrong sometimes but the really good players get the lynch when they're right. I would've gotten you lynched instead of zbo if I was around that day, I'm certain. | ||
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On November 23 2012 06:55 Keirathi wrote: Well, you had already sent in the shot on Crossfire even before he said it, so props to you. But, I still think it was a terrible lynch, and by far the worst wagon of the game. I'm a pretty close second. | ||
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It's not a big deal, you're not all wrong, and you did win. | ||
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On November 23 2012 08:17 Blazinghand wrote: And I had Djodref on my scum list, but you DO NOT lynch a guy the day he replaces in. This is a personal policy I follow-- though we can discuss the wisdom of it, I really don't like lynching replacements the first day. Also my vote was on SnB when clarity was lynched, though I suspect I personally am responsible for clarity's death since town was sheeping me. I think I fucked myself by overreacting to snb's case. iamp showing doubt got me killed, fairly sure. Even though he was like the last to get on me | ||
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On November 23 2012 08:24 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah. But he would have had to fight me tooth and nail for a week to do so. I think you of all people know how uninviting a prospect that can be. That being said. I think I should be banned or something. It is clearly against the rules to win by making others not want to play. And I'm pretty sure that is what happened here. Also, regarding your lynch, stop being so butthurt about it. It is your job to make yourself look too townie to lynch also. The responsibility is not soley on us to see how 'obviously' town you were. YOu need to endeavour to make yourself look townie as possible so it becomes impossible to lynch you. That being said, Whilst I understand keir's viewpoint and thought about that, what gonzaw says is true and is exactly what I would have done as scum. Which is the only point of reference I have. Add to that that both marv and Blazinghand thought you were scum at different points of the game and that you, like me, almost got mislynched day one. There is some work that needs to be done on your town game to stop you getting mislynched. Also anyone saying that a miller claim should be treated in the same way as a miller claim is wrong. If people disagree I would love to hear their reasoning. @clarity. I felt your play was based on emotion rather than anything substantial. Especially with your reads on myself and djo. also you need to work on posting less IMO. 100 pages on night one is ridiculous for a mini IMO. Many people in the obs qt complained about it. The amount of content generated was unnecessary and hurt town IMO as it was very difficult to find anything important in the mess. Others may have different thoughts but I think the mass posting hurt town. hmm If I have any other thoughts I'll jot them down. Also I am actually burnt out BH. Don;t know why I would lie about it. I was actually going to take a break after ACME but keir asked me to join this and I <3 keir so what could I do. That's funny coming from someone who makes an OMGUS case on me because I made a case on him, and posted it at a really weird time. I'm also fairly certain I'm not the only one to blame for the size of this game. That said, yes I might have overdone it with my posting. You need to realize that D2 people were giving up though, so I was trying to keep town talking, but it ended up being me and djo a lot. | ||
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On November 23 2012 08:33 DarthPunk wrote: WTF?!? OMGUS lol? I made a case against you day one. I VOTED for you before you even mentioned me, I thought you were scummy day one. It was not OMGUS at all... Also if you are worried about peoples contributions, drowning out everything else in useless spam is not the way to go about it. And shutting down people who actually try to get back in the game because you don;t like what they have to say is not the way either. You are right though. I think BH spammed to much and Djo did too for obvious reasons. You voted for me when I wagoned onto snb if I recall. I made a case on you, you made a case on me and posted it like 45 minutes before lynch when there was not way you were being lynched. I guess I'm obviously biased but the case seemed major omgus to me. | ||
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On November 23 2012 08:34 HeloKnight wrote: Why do you have this policy? If the original player and/or the replacement are acting scummy, shouldn't you lynch them like any other player? Depends why they get replaced. If it's not specified then it's rather hard to use anything the replaced guy says against the replacement. | ||
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On November 23 2012 08:57 Keirathi wrote: Scum DP would have never given a town read on S&B when he was the most popular mislynch option just to push a mislynch on someone like Djo :p I think I explained the reasoning for scum to keep snb alive quite well. But yeah a town read might be a bit much. | ||
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On November 23 2012 09:57 Hopeless1der wrote: Is that why he told us his setup generator was public?? No he waited quite a bit after I pmed, even though he was around. Maybe he just hates me? | ||
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On November 23 2012 10:32 Dandel Ion wrote: It comes down to this: If you setup-speculate it's your own fault. If you let people setup-speculate, it's also your own fault. Tell people they suck and should shut the hell up. That might help. Keir hates me, got it. | ||
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On November 23 2012 13:44 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah but it serves the purpose of obfuscating my meta. It also serves the purpose of not being good for town. When you're town: Play to your win con, not your meta. Your town play should affect your scum play, not the other way around. | ||
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Anyway I agree with you Blazing but if that's the case does that make it okay for me to point out that it's weird that he was playing dota for such a short time? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On November 29 2012 22:18 strongandbig wrote: BH, I strongly disagree. I think there needs to be a stronger norm against using people's irl time constraints or their decisions about what to do with their own free time against them, it restricts who can play mafia games unnecessarily and it makes the game more like a duty than a game. My solution to this is a personal honor system, I treat other people's excuses as legitimate and I expect them to treat mine the same way. Actually, I think this is much more in the spirit of mafia than what you suggest. Mafia how we play it is supposed to be about behavioral analysis and interpretation, and it should be limited to what goes on in the thread. Basically, in my opinion when someone starts calling me out about inactivity that was caused by other time commitments, they're the one who is bringing outside-the-game stuff into the game, and my reacting to prove my honesty is more legitimate than what they did. Doesn't this mean you're expecting scum to be honor-bound to not make up excuses for why they are practically lurking all game, since they know you'll take the excuses at face value? | ||
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