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if you think player A is town. and you are voting for player B. and then you think player B is town.
Player A did not magically become scum in that scenario.
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I'm gonna repeat this because it bears repeating:
On November 16 2012 10:18 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 10:17 marvellosity wrote:On November 16 2012 10:16 Blazinghand wrote:
reasonable ways that involve claiming jk D1 then lynching hapa at the last minute by 1 vote? yes, you could have fakeclaimed. I led a wagon on scum Day 1 in Liquid City and I was scum You can be scum.
I desperately want you to be scum. That's really the crux of the issue. The smart part of you knows I'm town, but you want me to be scum. Shut up and play the game, marv.
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If you're town, most of all I'm mad at myself for evaluating you totally incorrectly as a player.
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Pretty sure he's trying to but you keep repeatedly pissing him off.
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Seriously though Marv what makes you so sure you're dead tonight because I saved ZB? Given that both ZB and I came out of D1 basically being unbelievably townie and unlynchable, I'm not sure why you think my save is bad.
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I'm not TRYING To piss marv off, he just keeps on asking me the same questions and I keep on giving him the same answers that for whatever reason enrage him.
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because when I'm town, which I am excruciatingly so this game, scumteams shoot me.
In case, ya know, i catch everyone when i'm left alive for a couple of days. as has happened reasonably regularly my last few town games.
and you said you saved DP, not ZB.
jesus christ.
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Your answers are dumb and everytime you try explaining why you added an extra layer of complexity it just adds to the pile
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Oh yeah sorry I saved DP, not ZB. Typo there
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I think he meant he saved ZB at lynchtime.
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On November 16 2012 08:03 Hopeless1der wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 14 2012 05:00 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
Darthpunk... maybe. Best I've got, working on a case right now but not liking how it's turning out. Yeah.... making a case on Darth isn't working, which I think in itself says a lot. If you guys somehow haven't noticed. Take a look at Darth's filter. It's basically a bunch of one-liners, jokes, the occasional null read on others. It doesn't actually help town. The only things that stand out in his filter are him voting for SnB with the comment "so retarded" (which apparantly is a null tell, judging by his previous games, he throws the word around a lot) After I jump on the SnB wagon, he votes for me without explaining. Later on he quotes his own post of him voting for me and explains why, after I explain my reasoning he quickly unvotes me and hops back on SnB. Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 15:56 DarthPunk wrote:
I am just throwing my vote around trying to see what's up. I think I explained both my votes on him adequately maybe you disagree with the reasons and that is fine.
The reason I unvoted S&B the first time was that I voted for Clarity for what I perceived to be an easy jump onto an easy wagon. He gave his explanation, I unvoted and then I re-voted S&B.
I cannot find the townie reasoning behind several things S&B has posted thus far. I cannot reconcile using WIFOM about his scum game as townie behaviour and I do not buy the too scummy to be scum shit.
I am far from certain about him. But if he is town I want him to shape up. I don;t like using FoS's anymore so a vote it is.
@blazinghand. Guess I am bad.
He then claims he's just "throwing his vote around", but he doesn't ask questions or make comments about me or SnB. Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 16:50 DarthPunk wrote:
Eh. I wouldn;t say I had a particularly strong read on S&B.
##Unvote Then why vote for him? Because if it was to pressure, why wouldn't he actually explain why he's voted this way or ask questions? You either vote to lynch or you vote to pressure. But Darth's vote was.... neither? ##Vote DarthPunk Case isn't really working, but he votes DP anyways. He's already addressed this, in response to Hapa: On November 14 2012 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Hapa
What I meant was: "I'm having trouble making a case on him"
The reason I said this was because that actually speaks volumes about how he's been playing. 3 pages of filter and nothing to go on, even when you look closely.
I didn't find some "scum gem" in one of his posts and started from there. I had a gut feeling and when I looked into him I found nothing that makes him town or scum, and that's concerning to me.
I did provide analysis. The back and forth between Clarity and Hapa has been kind of meh. I'm looking for connections that may not exist, but Hapa later votes for DP when Darth makes a case on Clarity but doesn't vote. DP explicitly said he would make a case on clarity: On November 15 2012 01:20 DarthPunk wrote:
Clarity Is a gut scum read. I couldn't tell you exactly why. but something is off. I plan to look through clarities filter when I get up.
Its bad of him to not vote for his scum read, but good of him to provide the case he said he would. It was also really close to deadline so the chances of swinging votes onto a new case was unlikely.
On November 15 2012 01:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv you're gonna have to tell me what this quiz thing was, or maybe refer me to where you did it in another game? I'm intrigued.
@ Darth
You're not getting lynched today, if you had read the thread you would know this. Clarity's vote was on DarthPunk at this point. How do you screw this up?On November 15 2012 01:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
I just realized I got DP and BH mixed up big time. I said DP isn't getting lynched today and that's completely false... TT
Back in 3.5 hours or so. Night DP.
On November 15 2012 05:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn?
Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless?
I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it.
When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt.
That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me.
So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate.
I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say? The consolidation reasoning between me and debears is really shitty. He doesn't care who dies, but would prefer me, because Hapa is unlikely to die while pushing debears and they get to push his mislynch after mine
On November 15 2012 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:
You know I could make some half arse case and tunnel some bad townie really easily and then probably not get lynched right?
Now why am I not doing that? Because, as I have said. I have not had the time required to get reads that I am convinced are valuable to the thread.
I don;t want to just fake shit to keep myself alive.
Is that scummy or townie.
I never answered this, so I will now, it's scummy. You don't want to keep yourself alive as town? This post rubs me the wrong way, its twisting DP's response. DP didn't want to give town lies/false information. That's a townie sentiment. Staying alive is great, but if it costs you your credibility or doesn't actually catch scum, its not useful. On November 15 2012 06:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
That's my point. He's implying it means he's town. It doesn't. I basically disagree with this conclusion
On November 15 2012 06:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hopeless why are you not out there giving us your strongest reads and making cases?
Even if you can't prevent the lynch, if you flip town we can read your filter and know it is all genuine. On November 15 2012 06:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hopeless, other than debears, what are your thoughts on others? Even if you have null reads, please share them, explain them. I could see him being complacent, considering he's not up for the lynch, but these posts are kind of filler. They helped push me to get off the hook, but he didn't really need to tell me to do this.
On November 15 2012 07:48 Clarity_nl wrote:Thanks hopeless for posting your thoughts. Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 07:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
Clarity - Town. He seems to misread the thread or just confuse people alot. I feel that type of repeating 'mistake' is less likely to happen as scum. Fairly active and is sticking to his read on DP. Also is seen trying to focus people into more productive avenues. Could be called faked activity, but his intentions are open for all to see. I'd like to know where he stands at present between me and debears though. Yeah I've been misspeaking (typing) a lot, and it's quite a pain every time someone points it out. But if it gives people a town read of me, great! To answer your question of where I stand: Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 05:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn?
Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless?
I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it.
When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt.
That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me.
So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate.
I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say? I'd like to change this a bit though. Based solely on the fact that hopeless has been posting reads and answering questions clearly and concisely now. Whereas debears is nowhere to be found, his defense is lackluster and his case on hapa seems OMGUS.
Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 08:49 Clarity_nl wrote:
Debears your case boils down to: "Hapa hasn't posted a meta read so the rest of his case doesn't matter"
Have you considered that your town and scum meta D1 are rather similar, so there is no meta read to be made? Debears was 100% right to demand this of Hapa. Weak connection tell.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 15 2012 09:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
I feel I am at a disadvantage, not having a natural meta awareness about most people in this thread. I do try to read people's older games after I am done reading through their filter, but I just read their filter, which means their posts lose context.. somewhat.
That said, marv's case makes a lot of sense.
I mean, he used the word propensity, how can I resist.
##Unvote
##Vote Z-BosoN Blind Sheep, no accountability in his actions. "propensity" Despite all that time revising his read between me and debears, his vote finally moves so he can sheep Marv's case
On November 15 2012 09:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
I hope everyone is cool with me addressing DP's case after lynchtime, because it'll clog up the thread and we need to consolidate right about now.
@ Hapa
Aren't you saying the opposite of what the log suggests? In the log he says "I guess I should post less" and you tell him to post more anyway. Yet he hasn't. "My scumreads aren't important."
On November 15 2012 10:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
Okay, well first off unvote Blazing because that's not happening. Read Hapa's cases, debears responses and cases on hopeless. Read marv's case on zbo.
Your choices currently are: debears, hopeless, zbo On November 15 2012 10:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
Blazing, get your vote somewhere useful.
Z-Boson, get your vote somewhere.
On November 15 2012 10:46 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:45 marvellosity wrote:
yeah this is gonna be a mislynch Starting to feel that way. I'm having a hard time explaining why though. On November 15 2012 10:55 Clarity_nl wrote:
We're not killing debears. We're killing either zbo or you, so you better vote zbo. Unless you're superawesometown who sacrifices himself for the sake of town. I'd buy that. On November 15 2012 10:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
Well, at least we'll have lots of information to look over when this shitstorm is over. Lots of summarizing the current events without doing anything useful. Re-read his filter leading up to the lynch. He keeps redirecting people to vote the latest bandwagon, fueling the chaos.
When its finally Hapa, he's finally had enough of the last-minute shenanigansOn November 15 2012 10:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
No, this is terrible. 3 minutes before lynch and a hapa wagon has started. No one has made a good case on him all day. On November 15 2012 11:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
Is it bad of me that I still feel that was fucking dumb as shit?
On November 15 2012 11:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
Blazinghand, before I forget, in the last hour of night I'd like you to post your night action. Like we'd ever forget about BH and his craaazeee antics.
Clarity isn't seen pushing his own reads, just commenting on the fact that they're still there and he's considering the consolidation targets. Other than that, his filter is full of small queries for everyone flitting in and out of the thread .
You know what is really funny
HOPELESS DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAY WHEN I MENTIONED THE WHOLE HAPA DIDN'T MAKE ANY META ON ME. HOPELESS THOUGHT I WAS SCUM AND DIDN'T CHANGE HIS VOTE. HE NEVER STATED THIS AT THE TIME. HE'S LYING AND MAKING SHIT UP
right?
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anyway i'm gonna have a smoke and tell everyone my reads. back shortly.
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Blazinghand
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Ok in case it's not like clear, here's what I am doing tonight:
Tonight I am JKing DarthPunk.
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On November 16 2012 10:26 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 08:03 Hopeless1der wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 14 2012 05:00 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
Darthpunk... maybe. Best I've got, working on a case right now but not liking how it's turning out. Yeah.... making a case on Darth isn't working, which I think in itself says a lot. If you guys somehow haven't noticed. Take a look at Darth's filter. It's basically a bunch of one-liners, jokes, the occasional null read on others. It doesn't actually help town. The only things that stand out in his filter are him voting for SnB with the comment "so retarded" (which apparantly is a null tell, judging by his previous games, he throws the word around a lot) After I jump on the SnB wagon, he votes for me without explaining. Later on he quotes his own post of him voting for me and explains why, after I explain my reasoning he quickly unvotes me and hops back on SnB. Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 15:56 DarthPunk wrote:
I am just throwing my vote around trying to see what's up. I think I explained both my votes on him adequately maybe you disagree with the reasons and that is fine.
The reason I unvoted S&B the first time was that I voted for Clarity for what I perceived to be an easy jump onto an easy wagon. He gave his explanation, I unvoted and then I re-voted S&B.
I cannot find the townie reasoning behind several things S&B has posted thus far. I cannot reconcile using WIFOM about his scum game as townie behaviour and I do not buy the too scummy to be scum shit.
I am far from certain about him. But if he is town I want him to shape up. I don;t like using FoS's anymore so a vote it is.
@blazinghand. Guess I am bad.
He then claims he's just "throwing his vote around", but he doesn't ask questions or make comments about me or SnB. Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 16:50 DarthPunk wrote:
Eh. I wouldn;t say I had a particularly strong read on S&B.
##Unvote Then why vote for him? Because if it was to pressure, why wouldn't he actually explain why he's voted this way or ask questions? You either vote to lynch or you vote to pressure. But Darth's vote was.... neither? ##Vote DarthPunk Case isn't really working, but he votes DP anyways. He's already addressed this, in response to Hapa: On November 14 2012 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Hapa
What I meant was: "I'm having trouble making a case on him"
The reason I said this was because that actually speaks volumes about how he's been playing. 3 pages of filter and nothing to go on, even when you look closely.
I didn't find some "scum gem" in one of his posts and started from there. I had a gut feeling and when I looked into him I found nothing that makes him town or scum, and that's concerning to me.
I did provide analysis. The back and forth between Clarity and Hapa has been kind of meh. I'm looking for connections that may not exist, but Hapa later votes for DP when Darth makes a case on Clarity but doesn't vote. DP explicitly said he would make a case on clarity: On November 15 2012 01:20 DarthPunk wrote:
Clarity Is a gut scum read. I couldn't tell you exactly why. but something is off. I plan to look through clarities filter when I get up.
Its bad of him to not vote for his scum read, but good of him to provide the case he said he would. It was also really close to deadline so the chances of swinging votes onto a new case was unlikely.
On November 15 2012 01:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv you're gonna have to tell me what this quiz thing was, or maybe refer me to where you did it in another game? I'm intrigued.
@ Darth
You're not getting lynched today, if you had read the thread you would know this. Clarity's vote was on DarthPunk at this point. How do you screw this up?On November 15 2012 01:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
I just realized I got DP and BH mixed up big time. I said DP isn't getting lynched today and that's completely false... TT
Back in 3.5 hours or so. Night DP.
On November 15 2012 05:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn?
Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless?
I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it.
When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt.
That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me.
So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate.
I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say? The consolidation reasoning between me and debears is really shitty. He doesn't care who dies, but would prefer me, because Hapa is unlikely to die while pushing debears and they get to push his mislynch after mine
On November 15 2012 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:
You know I could make some half arse case and tunnel some bad townie really easily and then probably not get lynched right?
Now why am I not doing that? Because, as I have said. I have not had the time required to get reads that I am convinced are valuable to the thread.
I don;t want to just fake shit to keep myself alive.
Is that scummy or townie.
I never answered this, so I will now, it's scummy. You don't want to keep yourself alive as town? This post rubs me the wrong way, its twisting DP's response. DP didn't want to give town lies/false information. That's a townie sentiment. Staying alive is great, but if it costs you your credibility or doesn't actually catch scum, its not useful. On November 15 2012 06:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
That's my point. He's implying it means he's town. It doesn't. I basically disagree with this conclusion
On November 15 2012 06:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hopeless why are you not out there giving us your strongest reads and making cases?
Even if you can't prevent the lynch, if you flip town we can read your filter and know it is all genuine. On November 15 2012 06:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hopeless, other than debears, what are your thoughts on others? Even if you have null reads, please share them, explain them. I could see him being complacent, considering he's not up for the lynch, but these posts are kind of filler. They helped push me to get off the hook, but he didn't really need to tell me to do this.
On November 15 2012 07:48 Clarity_nl wrote:Thanks hopeless for posting your thoughts. Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 07:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
Clarity - Town. He seems to misread the thread or just confuse people alot. I feel that type of repeating 'mistake' is less likely to happen as scum. Fairly active and is sticking to his read on DP. Also is seen trying to focus people into more productive avenues. Could be called faked activity, but his intentions are open for all to see. I'd like to know where he stands at present between me and debears though. Yeah I've been misspeaking (typing) a lot, and it's quite a pain every time someone points it out. But if it gives people a town read of me, great! To answer your question of where I stand: Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 05:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn?
Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless?
I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it.
When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt.
That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me.
So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate.
I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say? I'd like to change this a bit though. Based solely on the fact that hopeless has been posting reads and answering questions clearly and concisely now. Whereas debears is nowhere to be found, his defense is lackluster and his case on hapa seems OMGUS.
On November 15 2012 08:49 Clarity_nl wrote:
Debears your case boils down to: "Hapa hasn't posted a meta read so the rest of his case doesn't matter"
Have you considered that your town and scum meta D1 are rather similar, so there is no meta read to be made? Debears was 100% right to demand this of Hapa. Weak connection tell.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 15 2012 09:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
I feel I am at a disadvantage, not having a natural meta awareness about most people in this thread. I do try to read people's older games after I am done reading through their filter, but I just read their filter, which means their posts lose context.. somewhat.
That said, marv's case makes a lot of sense.
I mean, he used the word propensity, how can I resist.
##Unvote
##Vote Z-BosoN Blind Sheep, no accountability in his actions. "propensity" Despite all that time revising his read between me and debears, his vote finally moves so he can sheep Marv's case
On November 15 2012 09:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
I hope everyone is cool with me addressing DP's case after lynchtime, because it'll clog up the thread and we need to consolidate right about now.
@ Hapa
Aren't you saying the opposite of what the log suggests? In the log he says "I guess I should post less" and you tell him to post more anyway. Yet he hasn't. "My scumreads aren't important."
On November 15 2012 10:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
Okay, well first off unvote Blazing because that's not happening. Read Hapa's cases, debears responses and cases on hopeless. Read marv's case on zbo.
Your choices currently are: debears, hopeless, zbo On November 15 2012 10:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
Blazing, get your vote somewhere useful.
Z-Boson, get your vote somewhere.
On November 15 2012 10:46 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:45 marvellosity wrote:
yeah this is gonna be a mislynch Starting to feel that way. I'm having a hard time explaining why though. On November 15 2012 10:55 Clarity_nl wrote:
We're not killing debears. We're killing either zbo or you, so you better vote zbo. Unless you're superawesometown who sacrifices himself for the sake of town. I'd buy that. On November 15 2012 10:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
Well, at least we'll have lots of information to look over when this shitstorm is over. Lots of summarizing the current events without doing anything useful. Re-read his filter leading up to the lynch. He keeps redirecting people to vote the latest bandwagon, fueling the chaos.
When its finally Hapa, he's finally had enough of the last-minute shenanigansOn November 15 2012 10:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
No, this is terrible. 3 minutes before lynch and a hapa wagon has started. No one has made a good case on him all day. On November 15 2012 11:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
Is it bad of me that I still feel that was fucking dumb as shit?
On November 15 2012 11:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
Blazinghand, before I forget, in the last hour of night I'd like you to post your night action. Like we'd ever forget about BH and his craaazeee antics.
Clarity isn't seen pushing his own reads, just commenting on the fact that they're still there and he's considering the consolidation targets. Other than that, his filter is full of small queries for everyone flitting in and out of the thread . You know what is really funny HOPELESS DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAY WHEN I MENTIONED THE WHOLE HAPA DIDN'T MAKE ANY META ON ME. HOPELESS THOUGHT I WAS SCUM AND DIDN'T CHANGE HIS VOTE. HE NEVER STATED THIS AT THE TIME. HE'S LYING AND MAKING SHIT UP right?
Hapa has since flipped scum. Of course you were right. I was wrong. I WAS WRONG.
I WAS WRONG, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME SCUM
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I still don't understand. Marv, me, kickstarter, iamp. They're all better candidates than Darth.
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Blazinghand
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Well, even off hand, all of you could be blues, and DP is not a blue. Also i have a strong town-read on DP, even if he's less useful to town than all of you.
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On November 16 2012 10:30 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is DP not a blue.
Cause he was on the verge of death, made death/list posts, and didn't claim with very little time left to go. If he's a blue I'll literally eat my hat.
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On November 16 2012 10:29 Blazinghand wrote:
Well, even off hand, all of you could be blues, and DP is not a blue. Also i have a strong town-read on DP, even if he's less useful to town than all of you.
you protect your biggest assets as JK, it's really easy.
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On November 16 2012 10:32 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 10:29 Blazinghand wrote:
Well, even off hand, all of you could be blues, and DP is not a blue. Also i have a strong town-read on DP, even if he's less useful to town than all of you. you protect your biggest assets as JK, it's really easy.
and DP is the towniest player in this game besides me.
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