I think the two things to take away from all this though:
- Debears defended Cheese
- Djodref tunneling Cheese
All three of these people are town. Just as a side note. (If somebody would like my thoughts on Djo's JK claim, I can deliver.)
Last three pages was djo, you and me. Still no word from da0ud and sylver.
I think you are wrong in saying Obzy is useless. He might not have posted a lot but he makes good points or asks decent questions when he does, maybe you feel that way because he's biggest post is directed at you?
This was in response to debears asking Clar if anything stood out as weird - I don't really think it's particularly important, but I thought it funny that he commented he didn't think I was useless at that time period.
[With regards to Clar's list of reads]
Considered Djo slightly scum, null on deb, null on Cheese. Slightly town on myself.
So with all that said, I only have two slight scumreads on Alsn and Djo,
I am no longer suspect of Alsn, at least not as much. Although he seems to have a hard on for debears and djo he's making decent points and trying to further conversation.
Cool, so Alsn was down with debears and Djo. Mental note I guess.
Cautions Rad about the perils of not having any reads - Ehn
Comments at 16:22 Nov4 that he'll be making a case (or multiple) that day, to Djo.
Specifically namedrops Hapa and comments he'll ignore the advice people follow, taking issue with its quality. (Apologizes later.)
(In a response to Djo):
On November 04 2012 17:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
Top 3 choices in my eyes are Debears, Sylver and you.
As for people who haven't answered my questions: Alsn, Cheese, Sylver.
I'll have to look and see if he pushes Sylver at all.
He mentions Cheese not looking scummy ~16ish hours before the deadline.
Posts a defense from debears' post.
On November 05 2012 02:54 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 02:49 Djodref wrote:On November 05 2012 02:44 Rad wrote:On November 05 2012 02:41 Djodref wrote:
So it means that you have confirmation bias against me. You don't want to give me a chance to defend myself, you have already made up your mind and you want to see me dead.
It means that you are now 100% convinced that I am scum (in the case where you are town) which is stupid because I am not scum and townies should always keep their mind open or that you are scum yourself.
Lol djo... you realize you just said "your argument is stupid because I'm not scum."
Honestly I would be pissed off if Clarity is town and do not want to discuss his case against me beforehand because he is afraid that I could talk my way out of the lynch. I don't understand why a townie would want to see me dead so much.
If you are town you can talk your way out of a lynch regardless. It's not like I would've posted my case an hour beforehand, right about now is when I would've posted it. I am currently working on a different case while also answering questions, so please bear with me. I will keep djo's case on hand in case I get lynched. I will post it before the deadline if it seems I'll die. Otherwise saving it for D2
Okay so apparently he had planned on posting a case on Djo today. That obviously will not occur unless da0ud claims JK or something, but w/e. I find the line "If you are town you can talk your way out of a lynch regardless" somewhat amusing; as a side note - I don't really know if he's talking about Djo or just in general.
He posts a case on debears, that looks fairly legitimate if the knowledge that debears was VT didn't exist. (Votes DB at that time) -
When debears asks him to post his case on Djo, he chooses not to, largely because he intends to on Day 2 or if he is going to be lynched. He (afterwards) mentions that he doesn't want to post a case on Djo if Djo won't be there to defend himself -
I really don't like this. Why would you care if the person wasn't around to defend themselves if you think they're scum? And if you don't think they're scum, why would you post a case on them? I guess he can have points for Chivalry, but I think that he didn't want to post a case because he knew Djo was town.
Clar has some commentary on how staying neutral isn't bad D1, I disagree with this, but I've already covered that in this post.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=379514¤tpage=40#785(It happens to be the one that I mention not feeling comfortable about voting CC - this is still taking place before debears picks up that CC is trying to claim.)
EPT
I don't want to retype it; but basically, I don't really understand why you'd want me to rationally discuss with Clarity when you intend to lynch him. I'm gonna post what I wrote so far (It's a long filter analysis up until about where Djo starts attacking Clarity).
