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On November 01 2012 03:20 Alsn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 02:37 nackhtjogger wrote:
#1 I mixed up Rad's shot with scum's shot. Scum block-shot sylver not kush obviously. Yet Dandel is scum? He breadcrumbed that he roleblocked kush, a player scum did not expect to survive the night. Sure, if there are two scum roleblockers it's not impossible, yet I'm finding it harder and harder to believe you have even remotely pure intentions for acting the way you have so far. Not to mention the notion of two roleblockers is remote at best, the OP even gives a name in the scum roleblocker description(Vega) as opposed to VT and mafia thug where names are not mentioned, supposedly due to there being multiples of those roles but not the others. Yes, I understand that that's setup speculation, but I find it hard to believe regardless.
Hmmm good point lol. Then again we just might find that he has a breadcrumb for everyone if we look really hard. Or else my theory is shit hehe.
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Oh look, you can indeed make a coherent argument. My faith in human civilization has been restored, if only ever so slightly. [/fluff]
I'm definitely interested in seeing what everyone else thinks about your suspicions against Dandel as right now I'm in the unfortunate situation that if I add all the different possibilities with regards to Dandel together, he could flip either way. So looking at him in a purely probability based sense seems to have gotten me nowhere.
I actually feel like your argument about SK fishing makes a lot of sense. However, I think some of the arguments you've made so far to support it are pretty shaky and based on either scummy or too quickly drawn conclusions(like the things I've pointed out across the last few pages), so all in all I'd say your entire case consists of Dandel's two claims definitely not exonerating him(since they could easily have been scum motivated) and that scum would be trying to fish out a potential SK. Am I right in that?
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I'd like to point out that for the last ~20 hours or so, me and nackh has been doing something like 90% of the talking, with an honorable mention to Dandel before he said he couldn't post any more.
Even if all three of us are town, that would mean that there's at least one townie left in the game who isn't even trying to participate. Please at least try and participate. I'd say anyone not voting or at the very least typing out their cases well before lynch is making it extremely hard for town to win.
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Nope, can't seem to find anything, sigh.
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Interesting post by Inig, check it out.
It has this to say at one point:
It makes the dandel scum djo SK theory much more powerful in any case, because they wouldnt know each others roles. The only way right now I see Djo getting of the hook is by claiming
What do you think, Al?
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I'll look at it, I'm in the middle of typing a post in a different tab so please read it if you get the chance.
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I've been thinking about the Djod lynch. It seems to me that the main reason he finally got lynched was due to Dandel's role claim. Dandel afterwards was pretty much the only one with any power to stop the Djod lynch.
With that in mind, I thought about what reasons he could have for role claiming. If he's town, the story is pretty straight forward, he's been telling the truth and all we need to know is in his filter.
If he's scum however, what could the possible motivations for him to cause a lynch on Djod be? I'm going to assume that a scum Dandel would want to avoid attention if possible so role claiming seems like a risky thing to do. However, having four votes could theoretically cause a scum Dandel to be forced to role claim in order to avoid being lynched himself.
Now, the important thing here is obviously who were voting for Dandel. If one or more of the votes against him were scum votes, there was little to no risk that he would be lynched. So in any scenario where Dandel actually was scum and felt the need to role claim to save himself, the votes against him would likely to all have been town votes, or at most a single scum vote. Yes, I realise that would mean I'm arguing for my own towniness, but if it makes you feel better when reading this then just assume that I was the scum in that case.
I believe this to be almost guaranteed to be true simply because if Dandel hadn't role claimed, the main culprits of the Djod lynch would likely have been debears, Cheese or Dandel. This means that if none out of debears/cheese are scum, that not only would a scum Dandel not have had to role claim(since Djod was likely to be lynched anyway if two town were voting for him) the blame in such a case would have been shared by two town and Dandel, a very good situation for scum I'd say.
So in essence I'd say that Dandel should only be scum if Cheese and/or debears are his scum buddies, because if one or both of them are town, a scum Dandel would likely not have claimed. Seeing as Dandel actually seemed to want to vote for Cheese at one point he's either a good actor, or he's confident enough as scum to bus his scum buddy 15 minutes before lynch(that latter part seems extremely unlikely to me).
I've tried to see if there are any flaws with this argument, but I guess I'll just ask outright. Considering you do seem to have a knack for actually analysing stuff with an open mind, at the very least I'd like to hear what you have to say about it nackh.
Oh and everyone else too, I'm starting to feel like this is some weird reading of an epic dramatic dialogue at this point.
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@Alsn
I still don't understand how you got from this
On October 31 2012 07:26 Alsn wrote:
Inig, afaik no one accused you of sheeping Dandel. Several people disliked the Dandel lynch because you were voting for him and had you pegged as scum, having little town credibility means things like this happen. What you're supposed to do is to not care that people don't trust you, and soldier through. Some of the beginner guides even say this, that your first goal as town is to establish your innocence. Which is easier said than done unfortunately.
I also don't think you being lynched is anywhere near set in stone. I'm sorry to group you with Roco, but for pretty much all of the latter half of D2 you were nowhere to be seen. Also, you getting upset when you're playing a game where(assuming you truly are town) the main objective for 3 out of 13 participants to make everyone else believe you as little as humanly possible is a little naïve. Of course scum will be doing their absolute utmost to discredit townies and make their theories look bad, because indirectly that's their goal.
To your last point, why do people insist that there is a serial killer? Or for that matter, that the mafia necessarily want to gamble on leaving him alive? We are arguing with Nackh about it because he is misleading people by talking about shit that has no bearing on what we must do, intentional or not. Suggesting that there are 2 scum is ridiculous. Saying that the game is over if there are 3 scum is equally ridiculous. Giving up is ridiculous. Do you really feel attacked? In my last game I was VT as well and I had to suffer being attacked by everyone at a point where there was a single scum and 9 town actually remaining, but everyone thought there were 2 scum. I was endlessly attacked yet that's what happens in this game. People are wrongly accused, people are misled. It's kind of the entire point.
To this
On October 31 2012 09:25 Alsn wrote:First, I think we can all agree that before this night flip, we knew two things. That Rad was either SK or Vigi and also that Dandel was either scum or town roleblocker. We know that scum couldn't know for sure if Rad was vigi or SK. However, if they suspected that he was SK they must have counted on him having a vest making him immune to one kill. Interestingly however, Dandel being scum or not would likely affect their decision greatly. Since if Dandel was town, they must have suspected that Rad was SK and thus night immune(since 4 blues seems like quite a stretch). On the other hand, if Dandel is scum, scum could definitely conclude that the possibility of Rad being vigi is much more likely(with only 2 blues it seems like the game would be very stacked against town if there's also a serial killer). Additionally, there's the fact that claiming town roleblocker is actually really easy to do if you are scum roleblocker. By the time Dandel claimed, he would have known from his scum buddies that none of them were role blocked. Neither had anyone else claimed roleblock so he knew the possibility of a town roleblocker was very unlikely(since town would definitely claim if they got roleblocked). Him bread crumbing that he would roleblock kush is a null tell at best. So, in conclusion, why I think Dandel is scum: - Unlikelihood of there being 4 blues, as well as the very real possibility that there is a scum roleblocker.
- The fact that scum probably wouldn't risk shooting an SK, something they must have suspected if Dandel was town.
- The likelihood of there actually being a scum roleblocker.
- Wanting to set up kush for the D2 lynch.
- OMGUS case against Inig D1.
and this
On October 31 2012 22:40 Alsn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 10:14 debears wrote:@Alsn
How do you go from this? On October 31 2012 08:59 Alsn wrote:
All right, I wanted to make this post in the case that I die. These are the reads that I haven't really made public as of yet for varying reasons.
Debears is very probably town, if he isn't then I don't know what to say.
Rad is definitely town, or at the very least you should treat him as such. If he's SK the game is over for town but if he's vigi it's definitely winnable.
Dandel is probably town, but I still can't discount the possibility that he's scum role blocker. His claim doesn't rule it out(like Rad's does) but his actions during D2/N2 at least suggests to me that he's either town or a damned good actor when under pressure(the lynch chaos seemed genuinely town to me).
Nackh I consider to be really scummy. His cases seem "fake" somehow, they don't suggest to me like he's really trying to really find scum. I keep getting the feeling that he doesn't actually care about winning. However, if I suppose that he's scum, it would mean that he just believes trolling the fuck out of the thread will make us feel scared about voting him(because we might think he's too big of a risk to lynch).
Cheese... I just don't know, he's my top scum read among "the actives" based on his actions, but my problem is that I think Nackh is really scummy, so Cheese being accused by him means that either he's bussing him or Cheese is innocent. I can at least see a world where Cheese could be innocent.
I find Nackh's general behaviour to be anti-town however. So suppose he really has played those 10 games of mafia he claims to have played. Then he probably knows that bussing is way more effective for gaining townie points if you're the cause of a scum lynch(first one to accuse) as opposed to waiting until there's a wagon already formed.
Among these players and with how things stand right now, I'd suggest lynching Nackh. He's simply not playing very pro-town and that's the biggest scum tell I have right now. Also, unless that's also just him completely trolling, for some reason he seems set on the idea that both Roco and Inig are town with no chance of them being scum. I have no idea why he would think that unless he already knew that they were town.
That leaves Roco and Inig. Sigh, I really wish we hadn't thought Roco was gonna get modkilled. Getting rid of him over Djod or even da0ud would've been a much better position. That being said, I'd hold off on lynching Inig for at the very least tomorrow. I find the possibility of him being town not entirely unlikely and in the case that he is, there's still hope for him. I think you have to assume that Roco is scum. Because even if he isn't I just don't see how you could get him to vote with you when he won't even talk.
In conclusion, Lynch Roco and hope to god that he's scum, then probably Nackh, and then hopefully you have the last scum figured out and Rad doesn't actually turn out to be SK. If you don't want to hope that Roco is scum, or if in fact he actually shows up and contributes in a meaningful way, then I'd go with Nackh first. so quickly to this? On October 31 2012 09:05 Alsn wrote:
Ok, screw my last minute post, Dandel is probably scum, post coming up. and this On October 31 2012 09:25 Alsn wrote:First, I think we can all agree that before this night flip, we knew two things. That Rad was either SK or Vigi and also that Dandel was either scum or town roleblocker. We know that scum couldn't know for sure if Rad was vigi or SK. However, if they suspected that he was SK they must have counted on him having a vest making him immune to one kill. Interestingly however, Dandel being scum or not would likely affect their decision greatly. Since if Dandel was town, they must have suspected that Rad was SK and thus night immune(since 4 blues seems like quite a stretch). On the other hand, if Dandel is scum, scum could definitely conclude that the possibility of Rad being vigi is much more likely(with only 2 blues it seems like the game would be very stacked against town if there's also a serial killer). Additionally, there's the fact that claiming town roleblocker is actually really easy to do if you are scum roleblocker. By the time Dandel claimed, he would have known from his scum buddies that none of them were role blocked. Neither had anyone else claimed roleblock so he knew the possibility of a town roleblocker was very unlikely(since town would definitely claim if they got roleblocked). Him bread crumbing that he would roleblock kush is a null tell at best. So, in conclusion, why I think Dandel is scum: - Unlikelihood of there being 4 blues, as well as the very real possibility that there is a scum roleblocker.
- The fact that scum probably wouldn't risk shooting an SK, something they must have suspected if Dandel was town.
- The likelihood of there actually being a scum roleblocker.
- Wanting to set up kush for the D2 lynch.
- OMGUS case against Inig D1.
This is very alarming. Within 25 minutes, you go from Dandel as town to having a thought out post with the opposite conclusion This shows that your sudden flip on Dandel was premeditated. That means you knew what was going to happen and were preparing for it. Some more thoughts coming up after this. I'm back. My pre-day post was in the case that I died, my thoughts at the time were that if scum had really killed me for some reason, Dandel was probably town and they wanted to leave his ambiguous claim an open question for town. I had gotten so convinced from making that pre-day post that scum would not kill Rad that the fact that they did shocked me greatly.As to your point that I couldn't think that argument up from nothing in 25 minutes, you're absolutely right. I don't know how that makes me scummy though as if I had shared every theory I have, this thread would be cluttered as fuck. I had been thinking about the possibility of Rad dying and what it meant for my opinion of Dandel for several hours before hand. So yes, the post was somewhat premeditated, except for the fact that near the end I concluded that I'd save it for the next night if the game lasted that long. Reasons being that I didn't want to let scum know my line of thinking unless it actually happened(if it never happened it would be good for me that they didn't know I suspected that Dandel was close to confirmed town). So there, I see that you guys have managed to produce pretty much nothing during the 13 hours that I've been away. I'm anxiously awaiting something some time soon. Dandel, I can accept that it's your mothers birthday, but I really expect you to either do your absolute utmost tomorrow to find some lynchable scum or I can't see how I can't lynch you. Or at the very least, if you're really town, I hope someone can actually make an argument that makes sense to me why we should lynch someone else.
In the first post, you said that scum wouldn't gamble on keeping the sk alive.
Then, in the second you say that scum wouldn't shoot the sk at night.
Then, you say scum would shoot you to keep the Dandel claim in doubt. Wouldn't shooting Rad do the same thing, as shown by your and Nackht's suspicions of Dandel's claim today?
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On November 01 2012 06:19 nackhtjogger wrote:Interesting post by Inig, check it out. It has this to say at one point: It makes the dandel scum djo SK theory much more powerful in any case, because they wouldnt know each others roles. The only way right now I see Djo getting of the hook is by claimingWhat do you think, Al? I don't necessarily see why it's so interesting? Are you saying that Inig thinking Djod is SK supports your reasoning that Dandel is scum? If anything, if putting that sentence in context with your theory that scum are trying to figure out who the SK was, it would then incriminate Inig as thinking about SK? But then Inig would have been also bussing his scum buddy Dandel at that point if your theory is to hold true.
Or am I misunderstanding what that sentence means?
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On November 01 2012 06:37 Alsn wrote:
I've been thinking about the Djod lynch. It seems to me that the main reason he finally got lynched was due to Dandel's role claim. Dandel afterwards was pretty much the only one with any power to stop the Djod lynch.
With that in mind, I thought about what reasons he could have for role claiming. If he's town, the story is pretty straight forward, he's been telling the truth and all we need to know is in his filter.
If he's scum however, what could the possible motivations for him to cause a lynch on Djod be? I'm going to assume that a scum Dandel would want to avoid attention if possible so role claiming seems like a risky thing to do. However, having four votes could theoretically cause a scum Dandel to be forced to role claim in order to avoid being lynched himself.
Now, the important thing here is obviously who were voting for Dandel. If one or more of the votes against him were scum votes, there was little to no risk that he would be lynched. So in any scenario where Dandel actually was scum and felt the need to role claim to save himself, the votes against him would likely to all have been town votes, or at most a single scum vote. Yes, I realise that would mean I'm arguing for my own towniness, but if it makes you feel better when reading this then just assume that I was the scum in that case.
I believe this to be almost guaranteed to be true simply because if Dandel hadn't role claimed, the main culprits of the Djod lynch would likely have been debears, Cheese or Dandel. This means that if none out of debears/cheese are scum, that not only would a scum Dandel not have had to role claim(since Djod was likely to be lynched anyway if two town were voting for him) the blame in such a case would have been shared by two town and Dandel, a very good situation for scum I'd say.
So in essence I'd say that Dandel should only be scum if Cheese and/or debears are his scum buddies, because if one or both of them are town, a scum Dandel would likely not have claimed. Seeing as Dandel actually seemed to want to vote for Cheese at one point he's either a good actor, or he's confident enough as scum to bus his scum buddy 15 minutes before lynch(that latter part seems extremely unlikely to me).
I've tried to see if there are any flaws with this argument, but I guess I'll just ask outright. Considering you do seem to have a knack for actually analysing stuff with an open mind, at the very least I'd like to hear what you have to say about it nackh.
Oh and everyone else too, I'm starting to feel like this is some weird reading of an epic dramatic dialogue at this point.
Holy Shit! I don't understand what you're saying. Rereading...
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On November 01 2012 06:43 debears wrote:
In the first post, you said that scum wouldn't gamble on keeping the sk alive.
Then, in the second you say that scum wouldn't shoot the sk at night.
Then, you say scum would shoot you to keep the Dandel claim in doubt. Wouldn't shooting Rad do the same thing, as shown by your and Nackht's suspicions of Dandel's claim today? Shooting Rad certainly would do that as you so nicely pointed out. I just didn't think they would.
The first post you quote is definitely inconsistent however and I apologize. It was meant to make a potential town Inig actually want to participate(it felt to me like he was convinced the game was unwinnable due to what nackh had been saying) because if he was town and had completely given up, the game would definitely be over.
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On November 01 2012 06:47 Alsn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 06:19 nackhtjogger wrote:Interesting post by Inig, check it out. It has this to say at one point: It makes the dandel scum djo SK theory much more powerful in any case, because they wouldnt know each others roles. The only way right now I see Djo getting of the hook is by claimingWhat do you think, Al? I don't necessarily see why it's so interesting? Are you saying that Inig thinking Djod is SK supports your reasoning that Dandel is scum? If anything, if putting that sentence in context with your theory that scum are trying to figure out who the SK was, it would then incriminate Inig as thinking about SK? But then Inig would have been also bussing his scum buddy Dandel at that point if your theory is to hold true. Or am I misunderstanding what that sentence means?
Well,yeah but I didn't consider who was possibly bussing who. I thought it was an interesting post depicting Inig bullying Djo into claiming and this had the following result:
Scum bullied Djo with their interrogation about SK so at one point Djo said:
So he goes from a light scumread on me to a very strong SK read. His reasons for me being SK are poor, and I think he was convinced like this because he has extra information.
Anyway, he is convinced that I'm SK, which is false by the way.
..which probably convinced scum that he's not SK. He's talking about Dandel here btw.
We can assume that a Djo lynch has become less valuable from this point onward.
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On November 01 2012 06:49 nackhtjogger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 06:37 Alsn wrote:
I've been thinking about the Djod lynch. It seems to me that the main reason he finally got lynched was due to Dandel's role claim. Dandel afterwards was pretty much the only one with any power to stop the Djod lynch.
With that in mind, I thought about what reasons he could have for role claiming. If he's town, the story is pretty straight forward, he's been telling the truth and all we need to know is in his filter.
If he's scum however, what could the possible motivations for him to cause a lynch on Djod be? I'm going to assume that a scum Dandel would want to avoid attention if possible so role claiming seems like a risky thing to do. However, having four votes could theoretically cause a scum Dandel to be forced to role claim in order to avoid being lynched himself.
Now, the important thing here is obviously who were voting for Dandel. If one or more of the votes against him were scum votes, there was little to no risk that he would be lynched. So in any scenario where Dandel actually was scum and felt the need to role claim to save himself, the votes against him would likely to all have been town votes, or at most a single scum vote. Yes, I realise that would mean I'm arguing for my own towniness, but if it makes you feel better when reading this then just assume that I was the scum in that case.
I believe this to be almost guaranteed to be true simply because if Dandel hadn't role claimed, the main culprits of the Djod lynch would likely have been debears, Cheese or Dandel. This means that if none out of debears/cheese are scum, that not only would a scum Dandel not have had to role claim(since Djod was likely to be lynched anyway if two town were voting for him) the blame in such a case would have been shared by two town and Dandel, a very good situation for scum I'd say.
So in essence I'd say that Dandel should only be scum if Cheese and/or debears are his scum buddies, because if one or both of them are town, a scum Dandel would likely not have claimed. Seeing as Dandel actually seemed to want to vote for Cheese at one point he's either a good actor, or he's confident enough as scum to bus his scum buddy 15 minutes before lynch(that latter part seems extremely unlikely to me).
I've tried to see if there are any flaws with this argument, but I guess I'll just ask outright. Considering you do seem to have a knack for actually analysing stuff with an open mind, at the very least I'd like to hear what you have to say about it nackh.
Oh and everyone else too, I'm starting to feel like this is some weird reading of an epic dramatic dialogue at this point. Holy Shit! I don't understand what you're saying. Rereading... Sorry, it might have ended up a bit convoluted. At first I thought the argument would be much shorter.
To summarize, scum Dandel would mean:
- The people pegged as responsible for the lynch on Djod would have ended up as Cheese, debears, Dandel no matter what. Dandel claiming means he took the spotlight ahead of all of them. Soo...
- He must have claimed because he was afraid Djod wasn't necessarily going to be lynched.
- The only way scum Dandel could have been afraid that Djod wasn't getting lynched, was if there weren't any or at most one townie voting for Djod(since if there were more, he could always count on his scum buddies helping him).
I'd argue that because of these points, the only way Dandel is scum is if the voters on Djod at the time he claimed were all or mostly scum. That would mean a scum team of Dandel, Cheese and debears, possibly subbing out one of the latter two for someone else.
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Did TL just go dark for a while for anyone else?
I just realised I'm still voting for you nackh. Not sure how much that is helping the thread at the moment, especially since I'm not particularly sure as to who's scum right now. You seem to be the only one right now even caring in the slightest about the game other than myself.
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On November 01 2012 07:09 nackhtjogger wrote:
Well,yeah but I didn't consider who was possibly bussing who. I thought it was an interesting post depicting Inig bullying Djo into claiming and this had the following result:
Scum bullied Djo with their interrogation about SK so at one point Djo said:
So he goes from a light scumread on me to a very strong SK read. His reasons for me being SK are poor, and I think he was convinced like this because he has extra information.
Anyway, he is convinced that I'm SK, which is false by the way.
..which probably convinced scum that he's not SK. He's talking about Dandel here btw.
We can assume that a Djo lynch has become less valuable from this point onward.
So if I understand you correctly, you're now thinking bullying Djod for SK information is a scum trait, which would incriminate Cheese, Dandel and Inig? That seems like quite a stretch to me. Why would all three scum be participating in the exact same discussion taking the exact same position?
To your last point, I see the logic in bullying Djod into claiming vigi instead of simply saying "I'm not SK". I can also see how that would make him less of a priority since I definitely agree that scum would be pretty focused on finding a potential SK after seeing 2 NKs. I don't however see how that must mean that they in fact were bullying Djod for information. It's entirely possible that Djod starting to speculate about night kills made townies suspect him of having extra information. In fact, that's what I've been saying all along with regards to Dandel vs Cheese claiming such drastically different conclusions about Djod(scum or SK).
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To clarify my first paragraph: Seeing as Cheese kept mentioning SK and only after Rad had claimed vigi said he meant "only 5% chance of SK" means that he was a part of the bullying too, only attempting to disguise it? So the bullying would have been done by all three of them?
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On November 01 2012 07:00 Alsn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 06:43 debears wrote:
In the first post, you said that scum wouldn't gamble on keeping the sk alive.
Then, in the second you say that scum wouldn't shoot the sk at night.
Then, you say scum would shoot you to keep the Dandel claim in doubt. Wouldn't shooting Rad do the same thing, as shown by your and Nackht's suspicions of Dandel's claim today? Shooting Rad certainly would do that as you so nicely pointed out. I just didn't think they would.The first post you quote is definitely inconsistent however and I apologize. It was meant to make a potential town Inig actually want to participate(it felt to me like he was convinced the game was unwinnable due to what nackh had been saying) because if he was town and had completely given up, the game would definitely be over.
I still don't understand why scum wouldn't shoot a guy who was either vig or SK.
Rad's claimed was not doubted by any of us last time I checked, unless he would be SK, which an extra nk would point out to us.
So, in other words, Rad was a threat to mafia as
1) A confirmed town
or if not
2) A SK who's priority would be killing mafia
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finally tl working again :/
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On November 01 2012 07:56 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 07:00 Alsn wrote:On November 01 2012 06:43 debears wrote:
In the first post, you said that scum wouldn't gamble on keeping the sk alive.
Then, in the second you say that scum wouldn't shoot the sk at night.
Then, you say scum would shoot you to keep the Dandel claim in doubt. Wouldn't shooting Rad do the same thing, as shown by your and Nackht's suspicions of Dandel's claim today? Shooting Rad certainly would do that as you so nicely pointed out. I just didn't think they would.The first post you quote is definitely inconsistent however and I apologize. It was meant to make a potential town Inig actually want to participate(it felt to me like he was convinced the game was unwinnable due to what nackh had been saying) because if he was town and had completely given up, the game would definitely be over. I still don't understand why scum wouldn't shoot a guy who was either vig or SK. Rad's claimed was not doubted by any of us last time I checked, unless he would be SK, which an extra nk would point out to us. So, in other words, Rad was a threat to mafia as 1) A confirmed town or if not 2) A SK who's priority would be killing mafia I thought I made myself pretty clear that I'd convinced myself they wouldn't shoot him because of one extra life since it would make today's lynch harder for them. At that point I figured they'd wait until they could just lynch him with a scum majority(if he was SK). I didn't actually consider the possibility that they thought he was such a bit threat that they'dwant to gamble on shooting him anyway hoping he was vigi or had picked cop immunity. And like I said, I didn't even know the possibility of roleblocking the immunity existed.
I thought having a "no-kill" would be so risky for mafia that they just wouldn't dare and play it safe instead.
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Looking back at it now, I think I probably didn't think through my reasoning well enough. I was feeling pretty rushed at the time because I had originally thought that my Rad theory was brilliant and would surely be a good way to expose Dandel. Not thinking about it long enough then meant that as I was typing the post up about an hour before the day post I realised they wouldn't necessarily even go for Rad due to the argument I was making. Due to that, I hurriedly made a different kind of post fearing that I might get killed and my last post would be useless Rad-speculation.
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