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On October 31 2012 23:57 Alsn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 23:53 nackhtjogger wrote:On October 31 2012 23:50 Alsn wrote:From the op:
If a serial killer is present he/she will be able to choose between investigation immunity and one shot bulletproof when the roles go out and before day 1 starts. If no choice is sent in then I will flip a coin and choose for the player.
Does that mean that the SK immunity is something they need to activate and that they can only activate it once and then it's gone even if it doesn't save him? No, it means he got permanent 1 life + unless he's lynched, or roleblockshot That's what I thought, except I had no idea about the roleblock thing. But the wording in the OP does suggest some ambiguity as to how it really works, so I wouldn't be surprised if scum asked the hosts for clarification. Fixed sorry.
Maybe you did.
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Hah, that's rich. It took me about 15 minutes of looking at one of the games from that wiki but there's no way you're that person. Or if you are, then you're not even behaving remotely in the same manner so either way that's a shitty claim. You're still just trolling.
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On November 01 2012 00:14 Alsn wrote:Hah, that's rich. It took me about 15 minutes of looking at one of the games from that wiki but there's no way you're that person. Or if you are, then you're not even behaving remotely in the same manner so either way that's a shitty claim. You're still just trolling.
Lynching scum with UberNinja is like helping Van Gogh cut off his ear. You know it's going to end with a masterpiece...but you're not quite sure if he's got the right idea as far as getting to that point. - Maestro
The scum lynch we had was a beautiful event of nature. The thrill of success was running through our veins before finally exploding out of us with an immense feeling of ecstasy. - Om of the Nom
Sound familiar?
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Ok, I think this means that in the case that scum really knew about the ability to kill an SK Rad using roleblock, it would mean that Dandel claiming roleblock was extremely fucking risky in case anyone in town knew about it. I don't see why scum would need to risk doing that at this point. Especially considering he couldn't possibly know that I was going to suspect him due to Rad's death. However, the only way this makes sense is if there are two scum roleblockers.
Considering that we had a cop, I'm assuming that there's at least either a Godfather, Framer, or both. I guess that still leaves the possibility of two scum roleblockers and that they just didn't want to risk exposing that many roleblocks during N1. It also makes sense that they would roleblock Dandel in that case to make sure that they really did get the kill on Rad(since a roleblock on either the roleblocker or the person doing the kill would result in a living SK if that was the case). The problem for me now is that two roleblockers can also mean that Dandel is just lying about roleblocking Inig + claiming roleblock and the second roleblocker was the one that blocked Rad, if they even blocked Rad at all.
Bah, this fucking sucks, I'm back to feeling like Dandel would be a massive coin flip or lynching Roco. I'll try and see what I feel about Nackh after I sort out what I feel about all this but yea, there you have it.
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On November 01 2012 00:18 nackhtjogger wrote:
Lynching scum with UberNinja is like helping Van Gogh cut off his ear. You know it's going to end with a masterpiece...but you're not quite sure if he's got the right idea as far as getting to that point. - Maestro
The scum lynch we had was a beautiful event of nature. The thrill of success was running through our veins before finally exploding out of us with an immense feeling of ecstasy. - Om of the Nom
Sound familiar? Uh, what? No, not at all. The game I looked at the person you linked was playing generally like a well behaved town would. Using arguments that made sense without being particularly trolly about it. I just opened 5 random games in the middle of that list and started reading though, but either way that tells me nothing about you because even if you are that person, it just means you're trolling like shit in this thread so the argument is moot. I'm not even gonna bother looking through more games from that thread because quite frankly, I don't want to look through thirty fucking games to find some obscure fucking van gogh reference.
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So, dropping that matter, what are you even trying to say with your BOOYA SK FISHING!!!! Post on Dandel? Mind explaining what, exactly, those quotes are supposed to tell us? He's scum? He's town? What? The only thing I can see is that he accused Djod of being SK due to Djod supposedly knowing the reasons for the night kills, we know now that he didn't actually know about it, but are you arguing Dandel knew that or what?
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On November 01 2012 00:27 Alsn wrote:
So, dropping that matter, what are you even trying to say with your BOOYA SK FISHING!!!! Post on Dandel? Mind explaining what, exactly, those quotes are supposed to tell us? He's scum? He's town? What? The only thing I can see is that he accused Djod of being SK due to Djod supposedly knowing the reasons for the night kills, we know now that he didn't actually know about it, but are you arguing Dandel knew that or what?
You don't have to try to impress me, I don't respect never giving up.. at all. I respect intelligence and it sickens me when people act dumber than they are. I made myself perfectly clear
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On October 31 2012 23:34 nackhtjogger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 22:40 Alsn wrote:
I had gotten so convinced from making that pre-day post that scum would not kill Rad that the fact that they did shocked me greatly I don't believe this. You probably were the one to suggest killing Rad "[*]The fact that scum probably wouldn't risk shooting an SK, something they must have suspected if Dandel was town." Scum kills Rad, then scum talks about how scum wouldn't kill Rad starting a setup discussion that i feel obligated to debate to show that I understand it and not loose credibility. I don't understand however why you said that scum wouldn't want to kill the SK. Also Rad could've had an extra bullet or two, role description doesn't specify how many. And on the roleblocking thing: it would make sense for scum to roleblock the kill, to conceal the presence of the roleblocker and kill an SK instantly (if that works like that here) block+shot kills SK right?. If scum blocked Dan tonight they didn't block+shot Rad. Now, either they took the risk and trusted the claim OR .. Dandel is scum roleblocker. They roleblock+shot kushmaster D1 .. hence everything makes sense. Also your last point here is just flat out wrong unless you are accusing a confirmed vigi Rad of lying about his NK target. We know that scum in fact did not roleblock + shot kush N1. Because unless Rad is lying, they shot sylver. I still have no idea why, he was suspecting no one at the time and was actually looking likely to get lynched by town.
The only reason I can think of is what a few people have suggested that scum truly were attempting a blue snipe and succeeded. I'm not sure why they wouldn't kill someone they knew to be town who actually had influence in the game however. This because they must have known sylver was new and town, so suspecting him to be blue over bad townie seems weird. I'll have to think about why they didn't kill someone else that night some more actually.
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On November 01 2012 00:33 nackhtjogger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 00:27 Alsn wrote:
So, dropping that matter, what are you even trying to say with your BOOYA SK FISHING!!!! Post on Dandel? Mind explaining what, exactly, those quotes are supposed to tell us? He's scum? He's town? What? The only thing I can see is that he accused Djod of being SK due to Djod supposedly knowing the reasons for the night kills, we know now that he didn't actually know about it, but are you arguing Dandel knew that or what? You don't have to try to impress me, I don't respect never giving up.. at all. I respect intelligence and it sickens me when people act dumber than they are. I made myself perfectly clear Oh get over yourself. Just because I know that you are insinuating that Dandel is scum doesn't mean I don't want you to actually clarify what the fuck you are saying.
I just now pointed out that you're already drawing other wrong conclusions as to why Dandel "fits" as scum, so please elaborate and make a proper argument as to why he's scum instead of doing the same useless thing you've done with regards to me and Cheese, accusing us on basically no grounds and then not caring at all any longer other than offhand remarks like "Oh yeah .. I'm such a coward. Is that all you got, scum?" and "Please .. this is child's play. You noobs are only wasting my time. No but seriously, I'm awesome.".
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Oh and for the record: The game I looked at from the mafiascum wiki was this one. Incidentally that UberNinja guy replaces in at page 22(the one I linked). After that he behaves nothing like Nackh is doing in this game. Oh and he's town(vigi) in that game.
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Hah, if anything, that link you posted is actually quite entertaining. Looking at a game where UberNinja actually rolled scum(and won), he seems to be playing just like you are in this game. So if anything, either you're lying about being that person, or you're fitting your scum meta much more than your town meta.
Both are good enough reasons to lynch you because at this point, with how massively uncooperative you are, I'd rather lose the game on the off chance that lynching you is a mislynch, than let you win as scum.
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Also, some more evidence other than meta/trolling as to why nackh is scummy: Djod initially suspects nackh here where he says that he's wary of nacht and votes him in order to get him to talk. Interestingly, nackh then finds a reason later on to suspect Cheese, someone Djod at that point had FoSed and suspected for some time already. Basically, nackh is buddying up to a town in order to get the soon to be confirmed town to trust him.
Now he's doing the exact same thing with me. He's been outspoken about me being scum, yet for some reason he's alright with painting Dandel as scum even though Dandel was my main lynch candidate. His own argument as for why Dandel is scum doesn't even make sense, as I pointed out here. I think he's deliberately trying to buddy up to people he knows to be town but are going for bad targets in order to get people to trust him. Linking that wiki page just confirms to me that he's trying to convince everyone that he's an amazing player and that we should trust his judgement.
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I also love it how you magically disappear once I actually start getting real dirt on you.
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Regarding everything what Alsn said in 5 posts above:
You meta link your own post from 30 minutes prior to your current post, that says it all. Correction:
If scum blocked Dan tonight they didn't block+shot Rad. Now, either they took the risk and trusted the claim OR .. Dandel is scum roleblocker. They roleblock+shot sylverfyre D1 .. hence everything makes sense. Ok now?
#1 I mixed up Rad's shot with scum's shot. Scum block-shot sylver not kush obviously.
#2 Djo voted me to get me to post more. True. So? I didn't even read Djo's post on Cheese if it's between page 33 and when I stepped in to vote.
On a final note, my friend. you don't know what the hell you're talking about my meta.
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I think debears might be SK, would explain a lot like why he's so keen on leading and causing a bit of chaos with his confidence mantra and lurker policy debate shenanigans, so scum doesn't take him out.
I'm not voting because I haven't figured out the implications yet. Maybe we do want scum to take out the SK so we don't lynch the roleblocker idk, to be honest. It doesn't look very good either way.
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On November 01 2012 02:37 nackhtjogger wrote:
#1 I mixed up Rad's shot with scum's shot. Scum block-shot sylver not kush obviously. Yet Dandel is scum? He breadcrumbed that he roleblocked kush, a player scum did not expect to survive the night. Sure, if there are two scum roleblockers it's not impossible, yet I'm finding it harder and harder to believe you have even remotely pure intentions for acting the way you have so far.
Not to mention the notion of two roleblockers is remote at best, the OP even gives a name in the scum roleblocker description(Vega) as opposed to VT and mafia thug where names are not mentioned, supposedly due to there being multiples of those roles but not the others.
Yes, I understand that that's setup speculation, but I find it hard to believe regardless.
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On November 01 2012 02:59 nackhtjogger wrote:
I think debears might be SK, would explain a lot like why he's so keen on leading and causing a bit of chaos with his confidence mantra and lurker policy debate shenanigans, so scum doesn't take him out.
I'm not voting because I haven't figured out the implications yet. Maybe we do want scum to take out the SK so we don't lynch the roleblocker idk, to be honest. It doesn't look very good either way. If debears is SK town is almost guaranteed to lose anyway.
I find it interesting how you would come to the conclusion that because he hasn't yet been night killed, he might be SK? If anything, him not getting NK'd either suggests that he's scum or that scum truly thought sylver was blue. N2 getting rid of Rad was something scum definitely wanted since he was by far the most trusted non-scum player in the game. He was definitely the greatest threat to the scum win-con because of that, regardless whether he was SK or vigi. I just never considered the possibility that there'd actually be a guaranteed way to kill a serial killer through roleblock.
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FOS: Dandel Ion The friendly shadow of Dandel Ion
I suspect Dandel is scum roleblocker. He claims to be town-aligned roleblocker because it is easy for him to do so and a logical choice. If he doesn't notify town about the existence of a scum roleblocker by blocking someone who will be alive to tell town about it the next day, his claim will seem plausible. The only thing that could interfere with this plan is if there's a real town RB, but there's no reason to believe such a thing with 3 identified blues and it's also fairly rare even here I think.
The fact that there might be an SK in the game, and there has been one in Dandel's last game so we have reason to believe he is familiar with the roleblock+shot mechanic by which an SK would die instantly instead of requiring two gunshots, is of great concern. It's very plausible that if indeed present, the SK will choose 1 shot bulletproof as his special power, which basically makes him a Veteran, because the alternative of fooling the DT is not that useful. But there is a way to kill the SK instantly which involves roleblocking and shooting him synchronously on the same night. And since in doing so scum would also avoid the detection of the existence of the RB it's a very attractive-looking tactic to consider executing every night, on the target that mafia chose to kill.
It's safe to assume that under these, very straightforward and plausible consequences scum would be on the lookout for the SK, a.k.a. SK fishing. The manifestation of this is clearly seen in Dandel's posts in particular but in general SK discussion was always a popular theme to be discussed from the very beginning, which is indicative of the probing for reactions on the matter done by the scumteam. Reactions upon which scum hoped to learn the identity of the SK.
Another aspect which enforces this scenario is that scum must not feel threatened by a Vigilante if the level of activity and number of posts is decent in the same way that they can relax if there hasn't been powerful suspicion voiced against them in the thread. The result of this realization is a degree of control that can be adjusted to fit the degree of threat. This is why scum may have weighed the possibilities of either 1. spreading out night actions on multiple targets in an attempt to shut down the Vig's shot more efficiently; or 2. focusing them on one target to kill even an SK instantaneously in favor of the latter. If the scumteam consists of Dandel Ion, Mr. Cheesecake and Alsn the level of threat would never have justified the former.
Considering the amount of 3 identified blues leaves the scum RB with the ideal constellation which imbues a claim as town-aligned RB with maximum credibility, empowering him with a flawless alibi to sit comfortably on BUT, ladies and gentlemen, apparently this wasn't enough.
Dandel Ion's deceptions reached a climax when he claimed to have targeted Inigmaticalism with his night action. A great deal of irony springs from the fact that furthermore he was insinuating that his reasons for doing so were to see if his night action still worked or if it has in fact been roleblocked by a fictitious mafia counterpart.
A complete assessment of the situation of our game by means of an FOS on Mr. Cheesecake and Alsn is in an alpha stage.
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