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Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
October 31 2012 01:12 GMT
#1521
Anyway, I really need to sleep. I promise that I will read and consider everything. It's just that if rolling the dice is the only option left, I'd rather it be a roll that I consider at least somewhat likely to have a good result.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 31 2012 01:14 GMT
#1522
@Alsn

How do you go from this?

On October 31 2012 08:59 Alsn wrote:
All right, I wanted to make this post in the case that I die. These are the reads that I haven't really made public as of yet for varying reasons.

Debears is very probably town, if he isn't then I don't know what to say.
Rad is definitely town, or at the very least you should treat him as such. If he's SK the game is over for town but if he's vigi it's definitely winnable.
Dandel is probably town, but I still can't discount the possibility that he's scum role blocker. His claim doesn't rule it out(like Rad's does) but his actions during D2/N2 at least suggests to me that he's either town or a damned good actor when under pressure(the lynch chaos seemed genuinely town to me).

Nackh I consider to be really scummy. His cases seem "fake" somehow, they don't suggest to me like he's really trying to really find scum. I keep getting the feeling that he doesn't actually care about winning. However, if I suppose that he's scum, it would mean that he just believes trolling the fuck out of the thread will make us feel scared about voting him(because we might think he's too big of a risk to lynch).
Cheese... I just don't know, he's my top scum read among "the actives" based on his actions, but my problem is that I think Nackh is really scummy, so Cheese being accused by him means that either he's bussing him or Cheese is innocent. I can at least see a world where Cheese could be innocent.

I find Nackh's general behaviour to be anti-town however. So suppose he really has played those 10 games of mafia he claims to have played. Then he probably knows that bussing is way more effective for gaining townie points if you're the cause of a scum lynch(first one to accuse) as opposed to waiting until there's a wagon already formed.

Among these players and with how things stand right now, I'd suggest lynching Nackh. He's simply not playing very pro-town and that's the biggest scum tell I have right now. Also, unless that's also just him completely trolling, for some reason he seems set on the idea that both Roco and Inig are town with no chance of them being scum. I have no idea why he would think that unless he already knew that they were town.

That leaves Roco and Inig. Sigh, I really wish we hadn't thought Roco was gonna get modkilled. Getting rid of him over Djod or even da0ud would've been a much better position. That being said, I'd hold off on lynching Inig for at the very least tomorrow. I find the possibility of him being town not entirely unlikely and in the case that he is, there's still hope for him. I think you have to assume that Roco is scum. Because even if he isn't I just don't see how you could get him to vote with you when he won't even talk.

In conclusion, Lynch Roco and hope to god that he's scum, then probably Nackh, and then hopefully you have the last scum figured out and Rad doesn't actually turn out to be SK. If you don't want to hope that Roco is scum, or if in fact he actually shows up and contributes in a meaningful way, then I'd go with Nackh first.


so quickly to this?

On October 31 2012 09:05 Alsn wrote:
Ok, screw my last minute post, Dandel is probably scum, post coming up.


and this

On October 31 2012 09:25 Alsn wrote:
First, I think we can all agree that before this night flip, we knew two things. That Rad was either SK or Vigi and also that Dandel was either scum or town roleblocker.

We know that scum couldn't know for sure if Rad was vigi or SK. However, if they suspected that he was SK they must have counted on him having a vest making him immune to one kill.

Interestingly however, Dandel being scum or not would likely affect their decision greatly. Since if Dandel was town, they must have suspected that Rad was SK and thus night immune(since 4 blues seems like quite a stretch). On the other hand, if Dandel is scum, scum could definitely conclude that the possibility of Rad being vigi is much more likely(with only 2 blues it seems like the game would be very stacked against town if there's also a serial killer).

Additionally, there's the fact that claiming town roleblocker is actually really easy to do if you are scum roleblocker. By the time Dandel claimed, he would have known from his scum buddies that none of them were role blocked. Neither had anyone else claimed roleblock so he knew the possibility of a town roleblocker was very unlikely(since town would definitely claim if they got roleblocked). Him bread crumbing that he would roleblock kush is a null tell at best.

So, in conclusion, why I think Dandel is scum:
  • Unlikelihood of there being 4 blues, as well as the very real possibility that there is a scum roleblocker.
  • The fact that scum probably wouldn't risk shooting an SK, something they must have suspected if Dandel was town.
  • The likelihood of there actually being a scum roleblocker.
  • Wanting to set up kush for the D2 lynch.
  • OMGUS case against Inig D1.



This is very alarming. Within 25 minutes, you go from Dandel as town to having a thought out post with the opposite conclusion This shows that your sudden flip on Dandel was premeditated. That means you knew what was going to happen and were preparing for it.

Some more thoughts coming up after this.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 31 2012 01:14 GMT
#1523
If anything, your quick going back on your own prior "reads" suggests you knew you were not going to die. Cause if you actually thought you might, you would've included this line of thinking in the first place, instead of keeping it to push for the next best lynch 10 minutes later.

You're saying those things you say, but this part still stands.

If you were actually town, and truthful, you would've included your little change of heart beforehand. But you knew you wouldn't die.

That said, I'm going to sleep too...
A backwards poet writes inverse.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 31 2012 01:17 GMT
#1524
@Inig

Due to the post about rb mechanis that Dandel stated, and the fact that I believe his claim due to no counterclaim and his town meta and such, I believe there is a decent chance that you are town. Also, I am adding in the fact that Djo and Kush both had newbie town reads on you, as shown to me by Rad earlier.

I would like your thoughts later when you can post them on the situation
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
October 31 2012 01:18 GMT
#1525
@Debears

Maybe the Rad flip really did catch him off guard? I agree that his opinion switching is a tad odd, but maybe the flip just hit the switch for him and suddenly everything was clear?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 31 2012 01:19 GMT
#1526
On October 31 2012 10:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Debears

Maybe the Rad flip really did catch him off guard? I agree that his opinion switching is a tad odd, but maybe the flip just hit the switch for him and suddenly everything was clear?


Ockham's razor- less assumptions is true. Did you see the timestamps? It takes more than 25 minutes to gather thoughts like that unless they were premeditated
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 31 2012 01:20 GMT
#1527
ebwop

most like true on the ockham's razor part
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 31 2012 01:20 GMT
#1528
likely....mega fail
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 31 2012 01:25 GMT
#1529
it appears I am in a deadzone no1 here for real?
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
October 31 2012 01:27 GMT
#1530
That's the whole problem with the setup thing then. Everything is based on assumptions. It's why I had such trouble getting on the Dandel wagon at first--because people were assuming things.

Now that we know rad killed Kush n1... I'm trying to think -- what was the scum motivation for killing Sylver? It might be completely off-base but I'm willing to look into anything that isn't speculation or a lurker right now.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
October 31 2012 01:27 GMT
#1531
I'm here, somewhat.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 31 2012 01:31 GMT
#1532
That is speculation though....

It could've been a blue snipe. Can't say for sure though.

What do you think of Dandel's claim currently?
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
October 31 2012 01:36 GMT
#1533
Heh, I really didn't get a blue vibe from him. I guess, perhaps it was just a random shot. Dandel's claim... it's not air-tight but it's completely plausible. Lynching him on the premise of setup is about on par with lynching a lurker right now. The part where he claims to have RB'd Inig but was RB'd himself is also entirely plausible... but we can't know for sure.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 31 2012 01:42 GMT
#1534
Hmmm it appears Alsn is off to bed.....well, no one to really question at this point. I'll have some questions for you later Cheese.

This is mylo right?

@Nackht and Roco

Could use some input today, considering the situation.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 31 2012 01:43 GMT
#1535
I'm counting 7 left. Unless there are 2 scum left, we are at mylo....We should treat today as mylo though
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
October 31 2012 01:44 GMT
#1536
As in later tonight or tomorrow?

I'm pretty sure it is mylo atm.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 31 2012 01:47 GMT
#1537
Eh. not sure. Hopefully tonight, but I'm tired as shit (sickness and practices fml). And I have a test to study for with homework. Eh....Tomorrow then.

I'm gonna peace out for a while and get my studying in since no1's here besides you
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
October 31 2012 01:48 GMT
#1538
Alright I still have a paper to write since classes were cancelled past couple of days and I've been procrastinating. See you guys tomorrow.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 31 2012 05:57 GMT
#1539
Will be back in probably 12 hours. Gotta long ass case on CC coming up. Just have to write it after classes. Goodnight boyz in da hood
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 31 2012 11:46 GMT
#1540
Alright kids, today is my mother's birthday. I also have another party to go to in the evening.
I won't even bother catching up for the thread in the ~10 minutes of free time I'd get inbetween, it wouldn't help anyways.

I also warned yee that this would happen (my first post), so don't act surprised.

See you in ~24 hours.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
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