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On October 31 2012 05:01 Alsn wrote:
Can we expect the day shift to occur at 01:00 CET again? I'm presuming that's what 02:00 CEST means now that europe is observing winter time? I'm asking because the OP still says CEST 02:00(+02:00) yet yesterdays lynch was at UTC +01:00.
Deadline is 00:00 GMT (+00:00), or 09:00 KST (forum time)
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On October 31 2012 04:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 02:17 nackhtjogger wrote:On October 27 2012 08:20 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Okay I just got back, and will be here pre and post lynch. My thoughts on the current state of affairs. It seems the lynch is in favor of Inig, but Da0ud following close behind. I think mafia have difficulties understanding how they are picked up by town, they sometimes don't realize that their input is of lesser quality in certain situations, like Cheese doesn't realize that you guys know the status of the game more than he should.. because he was busy with RL reasons.. so a summary of the status by him is in no way needed or appreciated .. but because he's scum he doesn't want to contribute, which is why he doesn't with this summary. I like how you pick on my "summary". It was a sentence long--I didn't contribute with ONE sentence? It was verifying that I was aware of the situation, and I had to choose. My vote on Djo is obviously not doing any good. Because, as I said, the way he's received by town is an issue he makes an assumption about towns feedback which in this case is a towns intolerance for the fact that his vote does nothing. Obviously that's not what he wants because he's town too right? No, he's scum.My vote was doing nothing. Plain and simple. If you can give me an explanation as to why it would have been better to sit there with my thumb up Djo's keister instead of weighing in on the debate, I'd like to hear it. I still consider him suspicious, and he is by no means off the hook. Now the assumption about towns feedback is that people are going to question his consistency... so he's like it's ok guys i got this, I'm not letting him off the hook. Of course I wouldn't let him off the hook, and I didn't because I found him scummy as hell. My efforts right now are better spent deciding who is a better lynch candidate: Da0ud or Inig. On Inig:Honestly, I have no idea why people suddenly started piling on top of him. I found him -slightly- suspicious after his emotional outburst and semi-lurking. However, since then he has been asking questions (to myself included) and improving his post count. The cases against him are weak, imo. I've read through them I don't see much of a reason to lynch him. I've underlined what I think is important here.. the fact that he doesn't want town to think that he hasn't read the stuff he's talking about, what's important is that people realize he's done his research, lol Why should I paraphrase/requote the entire Inig case? Everyone knows what it said, and I pointed some of it out earlier in the thread. His vote on Imcasey I don't view as scum-intentioned; it was an attempt to draw out the lurker. I don't think scum would be that bold, because a vote like that would (and surely did) draw attention. WIFOM Like most of your argument here. That is not at all blending in. His recent vote on Dandel, however, doesn't make sense from any role viewpoint I think, so I don't know what to think about that. I'll be reading more into his posts about Dandel later.
On Da0ud:I skimmed through the cases concerning him, and by my own standards think he is more scummy-looking than Inig. In particular, this post about the modkill. On October 26 2012 23:07 da0ud wrote:
One thing worries me and seems to have caught no ones attention.
Clarity has been modkilled!! We are already one less town!! And he was posting actual content. We all saw the modkill. This isn't contributing anything. Why talk about it? A townie died, there's nothing we can do about it, especially since he basically suicided. This is a useless topic. Town wouldn't complain about something like this in 5 sentences.. He does it because he's not sure how he is supposed to react to this behavior by da0ud but he assumes that it bothers town so he tries to blend in by saying .. hey it bothers me too, see .. I'm town too. I reacted to Da0ud's statement in the following way: He was MK'd, nothing we can do about it, it's not significant. I didn't understand why he'd attempt to bring a lot of attention to it.Then, there is the entire percentage-based town read on Djo. I believe Kush mentioned this. 90% town on the first day? I most surely don't see it that way, and a 90% town read based on little concrete evidence? I don't get it. OK, I'm pretty sure about this one. Djo, is like the most enigmatic thing that I've ever seen in my mafiaplaying career which involves around 10 games. I don't have a clue if he's scum and neither do you guys if you are honest. But Cheese doesn't know that he shouldn't know, he doesn't realize how strange the Djo phenomenon is for us. I mean you guys pushed him .. had him at the brink, what seemed like forever .. time and time again the same pressure but he somehow dodged it matrix style and cool every time. So never would any of you or I get into a fight with someone about their opinion on Djo. To Cheese however this looked like a dog-pile from town on a townie and he thinks that if he could just push a little more that it would go through, and then someone comes along and says Djo is 90% town to them and decides this is the opportunity to pick on it. But in doing so he just signaled me the rift between town and scum and that he must be on the other side of it. Who cares about your mafia experience? It's irrelevant. I also have no idea what you're trying to say.In addition, he's a semi-lurker / blending in. There is also an entire meta-arguement against him as well. I cannot address this as I know nothing of his previous game meta. This being said, I find Da0ud to be much more scummier than Inig. ##Vote: Da0udI apologize for not being here sooner and for this post being somewhat rushed; I had a personal matter to attend to that required my immediate assistance. I address your bolded "case" in underline. Most of your argument is "Scum want you to believe he's doing this"
You don't want to get my case at all.
It was verifying that I was aware of the situation
Really? You had to verify that what you've just read was indeed part of our reality too? That's what I'm saying when I'm talking about scum imagining town's future feedback on what scum is currently writing. You didn't finish writing the sentence but you already worry about having whether your post doesn't stick out by saying something wrong. It's that sort of meticulous double checking that makes town posts seem too neat and premeditated to me.
My vote was doing nothing. Plain and simple. If you can give me an explanation as to why it would have been better to sit there with my thumb up Djo's keister instead of weighing in on the debate, I'd like to hear it.
That's not the issue. It's the fact that you worried in advance that town might find you sitting there with your thumb up Dho's keister instead of weighing in on the debate. If you would've been a good mafia player you wouldn't have specifically mentioned the fact that you realize how you were sitting there with your thumb up Djo's keister. It's as if you wouldn't have changed your useless vote and upon being called out on it you moved back in time and then changed your vote.. adding this smirky remark of you realizing that you were doing this and that you now chose to quit being useless out of your own free will and beneficial judgment.
Same thing here
I still consider him suspicious, and he is by no means off the hook
Of course I wouldn't let him off the hook, and I didn't because I found him scummy as hell
You didn't address my point here at all. I'm saying you anticipated that there will be trouble if you don't give this extra statement, because someone would've queried for inconsistency issues so you saved town the trouble of an extra post about you. If you were a very good town player in a high level game you could've faked this kind of behavior and would've left some "manufactured scumness" intentionally to see who is paying attention and actively scumhunting, so you can get town reads but whatever, back to our newbie game.
Just a thought.. are you know writing underlined to conceal the fact that you wrote "I've read through them" in your original post, and make it look like it's an answer to my case. Whatever.
Why should I paraphrase/requote the entire Inig case? Everyone knows what it said, and I pointed some of it out earlier in the thread.
Am I criticizing you for not quoting the entire case, Cheese .. hmm? Nope. I'm saying you felt it necessary to respond to an accusation that has never been filed against you. In this case that maybe you haven't read the case and that that's the reason for you to be so vague on the matter. Get it?
I reacted to Da0ud's statement in the following way: He was MK'd, nothing we can do about it, it's not significant. I didn't understand why he'd attempt to bring a lot of attention to it.
You were trying to synch with town because you thought it would get you bonus points to express your annoyance about an annoying thing someone said. So we can feel sympathetic towards you and include you in our group. Yes.. it's how scum must feel all the time, wouldn't you say? using common sense maybe? These are the differences between scum and town, not some silly mistakes made while writing to hastily or using smileys and being 3rd or 4th on a bandwagon etc. New player get introduced in the game from the backdoor nowadays. You aren't supposed to trace back scum from searching for certain outcomes that someone tagged as scum behavior but rather think about how it feels to be a minority vs a majority and the dynamic that results from it and go from there using instinct. Read the guides but don't make much out of them imo.. they're outdated.
Who cares about your mafia experience? It's irrelevant. I also have no idea what you're trying to say.
If you're speaking the truth I hope you do now, I really do.
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On October 31 2012 04:55 Alsn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 04:37 nackhtjogger wrote:
If there are 3 scum and it's night. We have to trust the SK to kill some scum for us instead of killing one of us. And hope the scum kill the sk at one point. In this case we are up shits creek. This is a shit predicament to be in so we're fucked if it is the case. I don't even want to think about it that's how repugnant it is. So your solution is to bury your head in the sand and make up fairy tales about 2 scum to make yourself feel better? That's rich. If you're town then your attitude disgusts me.
Oh yeah .. I'm such a coward. Is that all you got, scum?
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On October 30 2012 20:17 nackhtjogger wrote:
FOS: Alsn
1)Why didn't you vote for Cheese and wish-washed indecisively the whole time, causing confusion, instead ? I thought you said if Dandel is town, and since he claimed with a legit-looking breadcrumb to back it up it's pretty likely, that would make Cheese scum due to the high discrepancy of opinions emanating from the same material? You didn't act according to the convictions you claimed to have at all! 2)You also said we are fucked if Djo is town. Why did you go along with the Inig derailment and then back to Djo? Why why why :lurk
Also lurkers stop lurking and explain your behavior. There might be 3 scummers around, and even if I don't see why scumyous would switch from one townie to scumbuddy (or another town IF Cheesecake is town) when bussing wasn't necessary, it still bothers me.
@debears, Dan, Rad, Alsn and whoever else is pissed about the lurkers.. let them explain themselves and then you explain to me why they would do what they did as scum (stop generalizing and instead focus on the motives they might have in this particular game and it's implications)
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Why I didn't vote for Cheese? Because I wanted to know if Rad and Dandel would go along with it or not. If they had believed in it I would've voted Cheese in a heartbeat. He even does at one point briefly seems to consider it, but at that point it's 11 minutes until lynch and a few minutes later before I'm able to actually vote cheese, Inig appears out of fucking nowhere and votes Cheese.
Discounting your theory that I'm scum and suppose that I'm town for a second and that up until this point I've been telling the truth. That is that I'm not entirely sure about Djod being scum but he's looking like our best option. Importantly however, I'm more sure of the fact that either Dandel or Cheese is scum but I don't want to flip a coin. Someone coming out of fucking nowhere and voting Cheese means I'm supposed to believe what, that Cheese is the scum? The only thing that I can do at this point is hope to fuck that Djod is scum and that the vote on Cheese is an attempt to save Djod by a scum Inig.
Sure, given enough time maybe I could have concluded that Djod was unlikely to flip scum at this point, but we had 10 minutes, and there were three of us(you conveniently disappeared for those minutes too by the way, with about the worst excuse ever). Again, the only way I'm scum and this all fits is if I orchestrated both Roco and Inig coming in and voting Cheese like that, yet that would exonerate Cheese. Or are you seriously arguing that there are four scum?
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And this situation is looking easily solvable to you I suppose? Yup, everything is crystal clear here, the lurkers are super easy to read I'm sure. Not to mention the fact that I had no clue at the time what Djod even would flip. Either your confirmation bias has reached heights that even Z-BosoN could only dream of(hint: if you don't know the game I'm talking about, that's pretty damn high) or you're trolling like there's no tomorrow. The fact that you somehow decided that I was scum after reading like half the thread and then refuse to look at anything I say in any other light is astounding to me.
Finally, why I went along with the Inig derailment? What were we supposed to think at that point? That Inig - the guy half the thread has been suspicious of for the entire game - somehow had pure intentions in derailing the lynch and being extremely confusing? Especially considering the only people that I remotely trusted at that point thought the exact same thing as me, that Inig voting like that was scummy as hell? Why wouldn't I go along with it. Why is going back to Djo a bad move at that point? Two minutes before deadline in a situation where to anyone sane it looked like scum was trying to last second derail the lynch. Had you actually been reading the thread up until that point you would have known that the only reason I was even afraid that Djod was town was because I thought he looked too "alone" to be scum. How does two lurkers showing up out of nowhere not support that theory?
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Nackht, have you finished reading the thread?
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On October 31 2012 06:18 Alsn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 20:17 nackhtjogger wrote:
FOS: Alsn
1)Why didn't you vote for Cheese and wish-washed indecisively the whole time, causing confusion, instead ? I thought you said if Dandel is town, and since he claimed with a legit-looking breadcrumb to back it up it's pretty likely, that would make Cheese scum due to the high discrepancy of opinions emanating from the same material? You didn't act according to the convictions you claimed to have at all! 2)You also said we are fucked if Djo is town. Why did you go along with the Inig derailment and then back to Djo? Why why why :lurk
Also lurkers stop lurking and explain your behavior. There might be 3 scummers around, and even if I don't see why scumyous would switch from one townie to scumbuddy (or another town IF Cheesecake is town) when bussing wasn't necessary, it still bothers me.
@debears, Dan, Rad, Alsn and whoever else is pissed about the lurkers.. let them explain themselves and then you explain to me why they would do what they did as scum (stop generalizing and instead focus on the motives they might have in this particular game and it's implications) 1) Why I didn't vote for Cheese? Because I wanted to know if Rad and Dandel would go along with it or not. If they had believed in it I would've voted Cheese in a heartbeat. He even does at one point briefly seems to consider it, but at that point it's 11 minutes until lynch and a few minutes later before I'm able to actually vote cheese, Inig appears out of fucking nowhere and votes Cheese. Discounting your theory that I'm scum and suppose that I'm town for a second and that up until this point I've been telling the truth. That is that I'm not entirely sure about Djod being scum but he's looking like our best option. Importantly however, I'm more sure of the fact that either Dandel or Cheese is scum but I don't want to flip a coin. Someone coming out of fucking nowhere and voting Cheese means I'm supposed to believe what, that Cheese is the scum? The only thing that I can do at this point is hope to fuck that Djod is scum and that the vote on Cheese is an attempt to save Djod by a scum Inig. Sure, given enough time maybe I could have concluded that Djod was unlikely to flip scum at this point, but we had 10 minutes, and there were three of us(you conveniently disappeared for those minutes too by the way, with about the worst excuse ever). Again, the only way I'm scum and this all fits is if I orchestrated both Roco and Inig coming in and voting Cheese like that, yet that would exonerate Cheese. Or are you seriously arguing that there are four scum? 2) And this situation is looking easily solvable to you I suppose? Yup, everything is crystal clear here, the lurkers are super easy to read I'm sure. Not to mention the fact that I had no clue at the time what Djod even would flip. Either your confirmation bias has reached heights that even Z-BosoN could only dream of(hint: if you don't know the game I'm talking about, that's pretty damn high) or you're trolling like there's no tomorrow. The fact that you somehow decided that I was scum after reading like half the thread and then refuse to look at anything I say in any other light is astounding to me. Finally, why I went along with the Inig derailment? What were we supposed to think at that point? That Inig - the guy half the thread has been suspicious of for the entire game - somehow had pure intentions in derailing the lynch and being extremely confusing? Especially considering the only people that I remotely trusted at that point thought the exact same thing as me, that Inig voting like that was scummy as hell? Why wouldn't I go along with it. Why is going back to Djo a bad move at that point? Two minutes before deadline in a situation where to anyone sane it looked like scum was trying to last second derail the lynch. Had you actually been reading the thread up until that point you would have known that the only reason I was even afraid that Djod was town was because I thought he looked too "alone" to be scum. How does two lurkers showing up out of nowhere not support that theory?
I like to believe that someone actually understood what I've been saying about Cheese and that Roco and Igni simply sheeped me.
Again, the only way I'm scum and this all fits is if I orchestrated both Roco and Inig coming in and voting Cheese like that
What? You orchestrated Roco and Inig to come in and vote cheese .. what?! I don't understand this.
Why even consider the possibility that Roco and Inig are scum, instead of town sheeping me and my awesome revolutionary case? We had a momentum going on. I thought that if you were town maybe you were going to join the movement. But as it stands I don't believe you would've voted for Cheese even if Dandel and Rad would've voted for him. Your sheeping was conditional and you indicated this subtlely when you made the false statement that Dandel was to blame for a mislynch if he voted for Cheese. You even fucking apologized for this. Quite frankly you should've been the one to vote Cheese not Dandel. That said.. what do you think about my case on Cheese?
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On October 31 2012 06:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
Nackht, have you finished reading the thread?
No I haven't, why? I'm still at 33
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I have decided to relent a little, in the hopes that someone still alive is actually town. Yay for nack.
To explain what happened: I ragequit. And I apologize for that, I had no idea I would find mafia so emotionally taxing. (Mafia LITERALLY takes 8+ hours a day to play properly, so if I ever play again itll have to be when I am out of school and real life demands are at an all time low. Oh ya, and itll be fun getting shut down by everyone who looks at meta knowing they can just make me ragequit if they want.) The whole town needs to also kill the SK but it wasnt specified in the set-up was the last straw. Ive seen set-ups that specifically say town needs to eliminate all third parties or all threats to town, and this one didnt. If its always assumed that this is the case Im sorry, because Im new. I am glad the hosts stated it was the case later though. In any case, I had already shown myself that I couldnt make logical posts when upset, so I stepped away. (Cheese asked what my last post (besides that voting one) meant, here ya go).
By the time I came back, it was too late to say anything. the majority thought I was scum regardless (and still do), and it was shown when I voted and almost got lynched for it (ill get to that in a minute). Besides, no one listened to what I said before, why now? I was the one to first suggest Rad and debears were town, which went largely ignored, then suddenly people started coming to the same conclusion all on their own. Also, its EXTREMELY suspicious in my eyes that no one has ever challenged this at all, but maybe only because ive been wrong about everything. I was the FIRST ONE to cast suspicion/pressure on Dandel, only dandel and da0ud paid any attention. Alsn makes a case on dandel Day2, I join the cause Ive already been fighting for, and everyone says Im sheeping the case. ....WHAT?? Ok, sheeping: the act of following an argument you originally had that was brought up again by someone else. Or people just didnt read my 'walls of text'. (And btw, since Ive been wrong about everything, you Dandel are now leaning townie in my eyes. But not that it matters.)
To me, only two things made sense: town was bad, or mafia were the active ones and had successfully gotten me out of the picture. (and/or Im really bad). I already knew I knew nothing and had nothing to go on. As time went on Djo became less and less scummy to me, perhaps because he was actually interested in playing the game and winning rather than everyone else who just seems to want to be right about everything. If my new theory that the town circle was infested with scum, why not vote against them? I decided if nothing else, I wanted Djo to see his goals realized whatever they may be, so voted for cheese as djo requested. (Sure, "if he was mafia you werent playing to your win-con". Yes I agree, accept at the time I decided I thought Djo was town, so I was.) Admittedly, this game has been one of the least fun things I have done on the internet, but that last minute Day2 voting crazyness was actually really fun, I have to say, regardless of how it turned out. And Roco earned points in my book for doing what I did too, that was sooooo fun. And the whole mislynch almost on me too. Would have been better than killing djo at least.
This is my explaination, and I refuse to defend myself any further. It would be pointless. You have already decided what you are going to do with me (think in your head, you already know what youre going to do, even if you havent said it). All that you really want is my vote, which I am keeping for myself, and with it I will continue Djo's legacy against Cheese. And if Im still alive after that perhaps Ill follow Nack, although with him recently bringing the hammer of judgement down on the mafias I hope he lives through tonight.
This town is horrible, and I am one of the worst ones, I know. Or, perhaps, its a newbish town vs a more experienced mafia, but within context both are still true. Im interested in seeing what the case was when the game is over. The reason I say this is because town is still arguing over lack-luster stuff!! The ONLY thing town has going for them right now in terms of finding mafia is luker policy lynching!! Thats IT!!!! It is OBVIOUS were screwed if there are 3 mafia and a SK like nack said, why are you guys arguing about it? The only scum-hunting cases at the moment are the ones against cheese and alsn because nack brought them back up because no one cares what djo said before he died, and everyones actually MAD about it (although since I think its the scum, that would make sense). I do not discount myself from this, because I know I said I would look up cases against people and havent, so I am as much to blame.
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 No worries, we got this. Oomnonomon
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Inig, afaik no one accused you of sheeping Dandel. Several people disliked the Dandel lynch because you were voting for him and had you pegged as scum, having little town credibility means things like this happen. What you're supposed to do is to not care that people don't trust you, and soldier through. Some of the beginner guides even say this, that your first goal as town is to establish your innocence. Which is easier said than done unfortunately.
I also don't think you being lynched is anywhere near set in stone. I'm sorry to group you with Roco, but for pretty much all of the latter half of D2 you were nowhere to be seen. Also, you getting upset when you're playing a game where(assuming you truly are town) the main objective for 3 out of 13 participants to make everyone else believe you as little as humanly possible is a little naïve. Of course scum will be doing their absolute utmost to discredit townies and make their theories look bad, because indirectly that's their goal.
To your last point, why do people insist that there is a serial killer? Or for that matter, that the mafia necessarily want to gamble on leaving him alive? We are arguing with Nackh about it because he is misleading people by talking about shit that has no bearing on what we must do, intentional or not. Suggesting that there are 2 scum is ridiculous. Saying that the game is over if there are 3 scum is equally ridiculous. Giving up is ridiculous. Do you really feel attacked? In my last game I was VT as well and I had to suffer being attacked by everyone at a point where there was a single scum and 9 town actually remaining, but everyone thought there were 2 scum. I was endlessly attacked yet that's what happens in this game. People are wrongly accused, people are misled. It's kind of the entire point.
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Inig, if your post is true, then mafia is not really for you, sorry to say that.
On October 31 2012 07:16 nackhtjogger wrote: No worries, we got this. Oomnonomon
Where's this change of heart coming from?
Also, seriously: Read the goddamn thread. How could I even begin to take anything you say seriously, when you're still stuck in day 1?
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Ya I realize that now, but I was utterly naive. Reading games doesnt personally pull your emotions like actually playing a game. I should have realized that, I daresay I have enough real life experience. Mafia probably just isnt my game, but if I ever do play again at least Ill have a head-ups.
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Inig, I'm sorry you're getting so emotionally involved here. I can relate though. Imagine my hell after kush flipped green. I was convinced I screwed the entire game up, and I probably did tbh.
If you're scum, FU and your stories. 
Seriously, if you're town, please try to just contribute a little. You don't have to spend 8 hours a day. Just give us something. Be honest and open and townie. Don't hold back your thoughts, just be open about stuff you're thinking about and relax. If we mislynch you for misreading you, but you're giving some content and contributing, bad on us, but it's really hard when you sit back and do nothing, then jump in last second and create chaos.
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Look at you being all cute with italic. I've been spitting fire at you and your scumbuddy non stop tonight and you're picking out the SK part in an attempt to propel it. I wasn't the one who brought it up and it stops with you, whenever you're ready to let go of it. Giving up.. that's exactly what should be hovering through your collective scum mind right now as there will be extermination, I guarantee.
Several people disliked the Dandel lynch because you were voting for him and had you pegged as scum
Speaking for several people is so last tuesday.
What you're supposed to do is to not care that people don't trust you, and soldier through.
He didn't care at all, those 15 minutes were indeed awesome, like ecstacy kick awesome. I felt like I could've gone jogging naked if Cheese flipped scum. Your assessment of the situation is from a scum point of view who felt overwhelmed and disoriented
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On October 31 2012 07:07 nackhtjogger wrote:
Why even consider the possibility that Roco and Inig are scum, instead of town sheeping me and my awesome revolutionary case? We had a momentum going on. I thought that if you were town maybe you were going to join the movement. But as it stands I don't believe you would've voted for Cheese even if Dandel and Rad would've voted for him. Your sheeping was conditional and you indicated this subtlely when you made the false statement that Dandel was to blame for a mislynch if he voted for Cheese. You even fucking apologized for this. Quite frankly you should've been the one to vote Cheese not Dandel. That said.. what do you think about my case on Cheese? That wasn't even my idea. Dandel was the one who attacked me for putting him in a bad position, suspecting me of trying to set him up.
I only said that to tell him that I honestly didn't think about the possibility that that's how he would feel. I only thought that if he was town that he'd think "hey, that's a good idea!" and go along with it, thus confirming to me that he was town instead of Cheese. At this point I think I was probably too rushed to think things through and it wouldn't have actually meant that Dandel was town if he went along with it, but at the time things were pretty damn stressful.
But if you had actually read the thread, you would've known that. But you don't seem to care in the slightest about how much sense your theories make. In fact, as opposed to Inig, you don't seem to care fuck all about anything other than annoying people. I'll read your damn case on Cheese, but at this point I'm pretty convinced that the only reason you are even making a case against him is because you want to clutter up the thread even more than your inane popcorn timing around lynch.
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Nackh, I love it how you're just confirming to the entire thread that I'm town yet making your own alignment a fucking coin flip. If the situation wasn't lylo I'd policy lynch your trolling ass.
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On October 31 2012 07:45 Alsn wrote:
I'll read your damn case on Cheese, but at this point I'm pretty convinced that the only reason you are even making a case against him is because you want to clutter up the thread even more than your inane popcorn timing around lynch.
Popcorn timing was boss
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The problem I have with your case on Cheese(this post) is that your entire case seems to hinge on the fact that you've already decided from the get go that he's scum(just like it seems like you did with me). Your comments are basically just your own ramblings of what a scum Cheese might or might not be thinking at that stage which is WIFOM hell. I could just as easily make an argument for why based on that post a town Cheese might have said what he said.
The first comment that while town don't particularly need to know the state of affairs, it could easily just be him coming back and seeing his top scum read(Djod) not under any pressure any longer and having to choose between who he most likely thinks is scum among two possible lynchees. Of course a townie who couldn't get his own scum read lynched would want to try and minimize the damage by picking the target he himself thought was most likely scum.
Your last comment is just gibberish. You say yourself that no one in the thread should have a good read whether or not Djod is scum or town, yet somehow you criticise Cheese for calling out the fact that da0ud was 90% sure about Djod being town? Who are you even calling scummy here, da0ud or Cheese? Because it looks like you're criticising da0ud to me.
There's more examples of how your arguments are basically just either pure conjecture based on god knows what, but in general you seem to be living in your own little world. Or you're just trolling. Either way it's not helping.
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I think Nackht is a troll.
My trollread on him is pretty strong.
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