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On October 30 2012 23:01 Alsn wrote:
Yea, exactly. I think at this point even though I still believe there's a possibility that you're scum Dandel, I think I'm pretty much forced to trust you at this point. So if you, me and Rad all figure out a lynch target that we can get behind, we just have to hope that remaining townies go for it too. Cause even if we mislynch, if all 4 town don't consolidate on the same target we don't even have the chance of being right.
What's forcing you to trust dandel at this point? The 3 of us just contributed to a djo mislynch. If you're town, I'm not sure why you would trust anyone at this point. I can see a scum motivation here to rally us into another mislynch though.
If you're town, and dandel is scum, why would he rally with you to lynch a scum? He would try to lead you in the wrong direction for the game winning mislynch.
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My point is, what choice do I have? Mistrust everyone except you?
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My point is, I do mistrust everyone, but what use is there in doing that? We are in lylo and two players(or three if we count nackh) are complete enigmas and could be either scum or town. With that in mind, I don't even have the option of trying to find certain scum among the rest of the players, because it's still possible that those three enigmas are the scum.
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Look, we have almost three days so I'm not saying that there's no way we won't find anything useful before lynch but that's just how I feel at this point. I agree it's not very useful yet I'm feely pretty powerless right now due to having the feeling that I'm forced to try and push a lynch on either Inig or Roco, either of which could just be playing a piss poor town game rather than a scum game.
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Guys, I'm back! Sandy was a bitch, but I've got power back and am cleaning up the mess (tree across my backyard, etc...).
I see Djo was lynched -- and town?? Wow. What is happening with this game...
Other concerns: It seems there was a lot of movement towards me at the last second and I'm not sure exactly why. I see Nack had some concerns about me, and it seems like a lot of people (the lurkers) sheeped onto it for the swing vote. The motivations behind this from them really deserve an explanation. Roco/Inig have obviously been reading the thread, but not contributing at all. Inig contributes here and there when he sees fit. This behavior, and especially the last minute votes, are indicative of active lurking--one of the scummiest traits available. (Although, I have no clue WHY they would choose to vote like this...)
I'm especially suspicious of Inig at this point since I've accused him of active lurking prior to this, and he refuses to defend himself. Maybe he was sour, voted for me because I was calling him out, and wanted me dead. As for Roco, I really don't know what to make of him. He's the lurkiest person I've ever seen and has been slipping under the radar because we thought he was going to be replaced / mk'd.
For now, until I can get some clarity to the reasons behind Inig's motives,
##FoS: Inig
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EBWOP: If anyone has any questions for me, ask them now. Catching up on the specifics earlier in the thread.
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@Alsn
Find reasons to trust or not trust people. For inig, you can look at djo's statement that he's got an 80% town read on him. Djo had the chance to save himself on an inig bandwagon but he straight up declined. Djo flipped town, why did he trust inig so much? There's going to be more stuff like that that we need to consider.
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Personally I find it pretty unfair that Roco was even allowed to stay in the game. If he's scum, it means that they basically get a free pass on lurking due to us having to consider him a non-issue. If he's town however, we have one of the most uncooperative players ever on our side.
That being said, I'd prefer to lynch Roco over Inig if it comes to a choice between the two. Simply because if Roco is town, we've lost anyway due to him just not fucking talking. However at the very least Inig has been willing to do some posting, and if he still hasn't produced anything by the end of D4 lynching him too should be a no-brainer.
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On October 30 2012 23:57 Rad wrote:
@Alsn
Find reasons to trust or not trust people. For inig, you can look at djo's statement that he's got an 80% town read on him. Djo had the chance to save himself on an inig bandwagon but he straight up declined. Djo flipped town, why did he trust inig so much? There's going to be more stuff like that that we need to consider. Yea, I'll try. Rest assured that I'll do my damndest to push some kind of logical lynch well before the end of the day. I'm just pretty damn frustrated right now.
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@Rad
Part of the dilemma we have right now is Inig and Roco right now
They are
1) Purposely playing the worst games as town I've ever seen (not playing to win)
2) Scum playing to win
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On October 30 2012 23:57 Rad wrote:
@Alsn
Find reasons to trust or not trust people. For inig, you can look at djo's statement that he's got an 80% town read on him. Djo had the chance to save himself on an inig bandwagon but he straight up declined. Djo flipped town, why did he trust inig so much? There's going to be more stuff like that that we need to consider. With regards to the bolded part, I agree that since Djod's motives were pure, we should definitely pay attention to his thoughts. We need to keep in mind however that he was town, so he actually doesn't know anything more than we do. The only advantage he had on us was the he knew he was town before the lynch, but so did scum. So I guess with that in mind we should be able to find something but I'm not sure how much we can trust Djod's reads at this point. If anything, we have the exact same information now that he did, except we aren't under massive pressure due to being on the lynching block.
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@debears
Yeah I get it, and pretty much agree with your assessment. However, they're playing the game how they want to play it, and shitty useless town isn't scum.
IF inig and roco are town, it's going to be easiest for scum to push a lynch on them, so I'm going to be extremely cautious about that.
I really, really hope we at least get some feedback from inig, or at least another one liner from roco. If the game ends in an inig/roco lynch where one is town, I'm going to feel like this was just a ton of wasted time.
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On October 31 2012 00:03 debears wrote:
@Rad
Part of the dilemma we have right now is Inig and Roco right now
They are
1) Purposely playing the worst games as town I've ever seen (not playing to win)
2) Scum playing to win
1 is entirely possible since this is a newbie game. If they are town, maybe they should have /obs'd this one.
2 might be true, but if so Roco has the worst scum tactic ever because everyone knows lurking heavily is a scum trait. Inig at least posts some content / sheeps to blend in or seem logical.
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On October 31 2012 00:03 debears wrote:
@Rad
Part of the dilemma we have right now is Inig and Roco right now
They are
1) Purposely playing the worst games as town I've ever seen (not playing to win)
2) Scum playing to win Exactly this, and it's a fucking terrible situation. We are basically forced to lynch them because of the possibility of 2) while at the same time having pretty damn bleak outlooks on the rest of the game if 1) is true.
The annoying part is, if we get lucky and 2) is true, the third scum will just be sheeping onto their lynches anyway, so the game will end up with either 2 vs 1 in favour of town, or Rad winning as SK. So even if we get lucky, we still need to hope to god that Rad wasn't bullshitting us with his vigi claim.
That being said, I'd much rather that Rad win than scum, so yea. 
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On October 31 2012 00:07 Alsn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 23:57 Rad wrote:
@Alsn
Find reasons to trust or not trust people. For inig, you can look at djo's statement that he's got an 80% town read on him. Djo had the chance to save himself on an inig bandwagon but he straight up declined. Djo flipped town, why did he trust inig so much? There's going to be more stuff like that that we need to consider. With regards to the bolded part, I agree that since Djod's motives were pure, we should definitely pay attention to his thoughts. We need to keep in mind however that he was town, so he actually doesn't know anything more than we do. The only advantage he had on us was the he knew he was town before the lynch, but so did scum. So I guess with that in mind we should be able to find something but I'm not sure how much we can trust Djod's reads at this point. If anything, we have the exact same information now that he did, except we aren't under massive pressure due to being on the lynching block.
I agree that we can't base anything just on djo's one statement. What I was getting at was there are other ways to try to get a read on inig and roco. We have a bunch of dead townies now. What did they think about inig and roco before they were killed?
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@Alsn
Part of the problem with Djo's trust of Inig is the fact that he was on the chopping block......you look for trust from anyone to sway the lynch in your favor
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EBWOP: In my first sentence I mean if we assume that 1) is true.
Even worse, it's entirely possible that one of them is 1) and the other is 2). 
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On October 31 2012 00:11 debears wrote:
@Alsn
Part of the problem with Djo's trust of Inig is the fact that he was on the chopping block......you look for trust from anyone to sway the lynch in your favor Yes, that's exactly what I meant.
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On October 31 2012 00:11 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 00:07 Alsn wrote:On October 30 2012 23:57 Rad wrote:
@Alsn
Find reasons to trust or not trust people. For inig, you can look at djo's statement that he's got an 80% town read on him. Djo had the chance to save himself on an inig bandwagon but he straight up declined. Djo flipped town, why did he trust inig so much? There's going to be more stuff like that that we need to consider. With regards to the bolded part, I agree that since Djod's motives were pure, we should definitely pay attention to his thoughts. We need to keep in mind however that he was town, so he actually doesn't know anything more than we do. The only advantage he had on us was the he knew he was town before the lynch, but so did scum. So I guess with that in mind we should be able to find something but I'm not sure how much we can trust Djod's reads at this point. If anything, we have the exact same information now that he did, except we aren't under massive pressure due to being on the lynching block. I agree that we can't base anything just on djo's one statement. What I was getting at was there are other ways to try to get a read on inig and roco. We have a bunch of dead townies now. What did they think about inig and roco before they were killed?
EBWOP: "everything" not "anything"
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On October 31 2012 00:11 Rad wrote:
I agree that we can't base anything just on djo's one statement. What I was getting at was there are other ways to try to get a read on inig and roco. We have a bunch of dead townies now. What did they think about inig and roco before they were killed?
This is an interesting notion. I'll look through the deceased's filters to see what I can find about them. On a general note, I know roco day1 wasn't well-received.
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