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Rad
United States935 Posts
On October 31 2012 00:11 debears wrote: @Alsn Part of the problem with Djo's trust of Inig is the fact that he was on the chopping block......you look for trust from anyone to sway the lynch in your favor I'm not sure what you mean here. Can you clarify? | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On October 31 2012 00:11 Alsn wrote: Exactly this, and it's a fucking terrible situation. We are basically forced to lynch them because of the possibility of 2) while at the same time having pretty damn bleak outlooks on the rest of the game if 1) is true. The annoying part is, if we get lucky and 2) is true, the third scum will just be sheeping onto their lynches anyway, so the game will end up with either 2 vs 1 in favour of town, or Rad winning as SK. So even if we get lucky, we still need to hope to god that Rad wasn't bullshitting us with his vigi claim. That being said, I'd much rather that Rad win than scum, so yea.  Haha agreed with a Rad victory. Would be a kickass one. And honestly I don't think we are going to get either of them to respond. So basically, we'll have to start thinking about the third scum. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On October 31 2012 00:14 Rad wrote: I'm not sure what you mean here. Can you clarify? When you are about to be lynched, your goal is to stay alive if you're town in whatever way you can. That means asking for help from anyone that can help you | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
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Rad
United States935 Posts
ok but he refused to jump on an inig bandwagon after inig had already come back to vote for cheese. Moving to the inig bandwagon would have saved him. WHY didn't he jump? | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
On October 31 2012 00:18 Alsn wrote: For now I'm going to be working under the assumption that they are both scum and that what we need to find out who the third scum is based on the game so far because from this point on, unless we are pushing a mislynch by going for Inig or Roco, the third scum will be bussing the fuck out of them. EBWOP: Fixed | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
I only counted 2 votes on Inig at the end: Alsn and Dandel His wouldn't have been enough right? | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
On October 31 2012 00:19 Rad wrote: The obvious answer seems to me that he truly thought Cheese was scum and that we were trying to manipulate him into mislynching Inig instead of him. Given within the short amount of time within which this occurred, I don't think he really had time to think it through. I know I didn't.@debears ok but he refused to jump on an inig bandwagon after inig had already come back to vote for cheese. Moving to the inig bandwagon would have saved him. WHY didn't he jump? He had stated before that he thought Inig was just a bad townie. He probably didn't have time to change his mind that quickly. | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
On October 31 2012 00:23 debears wrote: Rad was ready to do it too, the only reason he didn't is because Rad thought that we wouldn't be getting a third vote. Or at least that's the way I read it and I have no reason to doubt him given his vigi claim.@Rad I only counted 2 votes on Inig at the end: Alsn and Dandel His wouldn't have been enough right? | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On October 30 2012 08:58 Djodref wrote: Guys, I would prefer to lynch Cheese over Ini Makes sense now | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
Notice I was asking djo if he would switch to inig bandwagon. I didn't want to switch if he didn't, because I was afraid of a last second cheese lynch due to the chaos, so I stuck on djo until I got his answer. When he declined, I decided to stick with djo. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
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Rad
United States935 Posts
On October 31 2012 00:23 Alsn wrote: The obvious answer seems to me that he truly thought Cheese was scum and that we were trying to manipulate him into mislynching Inig instead of him. Given within the short amount of time within which this occurred, I don't think he really had time to think it through. I know I didn't. He had stated before that he thought Inig was just a bad townie. He probably didn't have time to change his mind that quickly. Djo shows a ton of confidence in his claim with the 80% and smiley, IMO On October 30 2012 08:57 Djodref wrote: No, Ini is a newb townie, 80% sure of it  Guys, I have some magic with the lurkers I don't think he needed any more time to think about inig's innocence. Not saying djo is necessarily correct in his thoughts, but I think he was confident. | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
On October 31 2012 00:29 Rad wrote: That was my impression as well and that's pretty much what I meant when I said he probably thought Cheese really was scum(due to trusting Inig).I don't think he needed any more time to think about inig's innocence. Not saying djo is necessarily correct in his thoughts, but I think he was confident. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
Kush's thoughts about Inig: + Show Spoiler + On October 27 2012 04:54 kushm4sta wrote: Inig's posts have improved. Recently he has been sharing his thoughts like crazy. The cases against him: I think these are examples of mistakes that newbie townie could easily make. He is a null/town read atm. I don't want to lynch him. Consider this a soft defense. On October 27 2012 08:50 kushm4sta wrote: So to summarize the case against inig: 1 Lack of strong scumreads (especially early) 2 Multitude of half assed, inconclusive suspicions 3 Reliance on town reads I can see a first timer easily doing any of these things. Summary: He thinks Inig is newbie town. Null tell. Da0ud's thoughts on Roco: + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2012 18:29 da0ud wrote: @debears I do like your attitude in putting a case up against Rad at the moment and I mostly agree on the content and arguments behind. However, I do believe you are getting a bit to enthusiastic at the moment. Try to remain a little bit open-minded at the beginning of the game. You don't want to put all your focus on Rad and forget about the others. I would encourage other people to participate more in order to have a clearer picture on who wants what, and how they plan to scum-hunt. Anyway, your attitude gives me a townie-read on you, deabers. Neutral on Rad and Djo. I, however have a scum first hunch on Roco and his weird post, where he seem to encourage people not to post: less posts => less information => good for mafia. Da0ud's thoughts about Inig: On October 26 2012 22:41 da0ud wrote: Ebwop : sorry phone posting. Ill finsih the post : Deb and rad have been so active and poking at each otjers that they actually look very townie to me. Pushing ideas, bringing content, putting pressure. Talking about smileyDjo he has put a lot of pressure on people. Asking open questions etc. For having played a game with him where he played to nice lovable newbie card, I believe he is trying to step up and actually be a leader for town. I put him 90% town. I totally hate the lurkers who actually do not post anything and hide to avoid potential suspicions. Id rather lynch lurking townie first day who doesn't help get info and push others to scumslip. If scum are among active player we will have time to hunt them down. They will contradict themselves. And we have semi lurkers like roco or blending ini. Which are pretty much as bad for town. I would like to put my vote on Ini at the moment cause roco seems like a total newbie trying to stand out. ##Vote Ini Summary: Has ill-feelings about both early game. Thinks Roco is scum because of his first two posts, votes Inig because of semi-lurking / blending in. Clarity's thoughts on Inig: On October 26 2012 01:51 Clarity_nl wrote: Inig is odd so far. His posts are all blank statements that don't further discussion. This is generally a scum trait but can be found in newer players as well. Saying things like Rad and debears should "watch out for eachother" because they come from different angles or pointing out that someone asked a good question. Summary: Inig posts "blank statements that don't further discussion". Could be scum / newbie town. Sylverfyre on lynching Inig / Roco + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2012 22:15 sylverfyre wrote: Let me also be clear: Opposing a policy and opposing the specific instance of a policy being enacted are two entirely different things. Just because I'm not opposed to Lynch a Lurker doesn't mean I think we should invoke it automatically. But if we were closer to lynch time, and Ini and Roco still only had the posts they have... I'd vote for one of them. By not responding adequately to accusations made against you, you give the town very little to work with. On October 26 2012 02:43 sylverfyre wrote: Really wanna see some of the quiet ones post more (Thanks Clarity, for speaking up! Figured it was just a matter of 'haven't been on yet' in the case of 0posters.) especially Ini and Roco, who posted a little (Ini dodged my question, which I don't fault him for because the question was kindof a shitty one anyway - but not a lot of meaty content and in Roco's case, some rather confusing/questioanble tactics which I already stated I consider anti-town. If/when 24 hours pass since Roco's last comment and he hasn't put any meat into his stance, I'm going to vote him. Summary: Thinks Inig/Roco aren't explaining well / being quiet posters, would lynch one of them. (later votes Roco) These posts really don't say anything more than we don't already know concerning Inig and Roco: Inig or Roco could be elusive scum or newbie town. What they do reveal, however, is that the rest of the town see's how inactive they both are being, and realize their potential for being scum. I don't believe anyone has a good thing to say about either of them. It's also interesting that Roco and Inig are referred to in the same context as we are discussing right now. They are being lumped together as one person, sort of, being lurky and blending in. So, the dead town pretty much agrees with us on Inig / Roco earlier in the game. They see them as scummy / lurky. Kush is the really only one who takes a firm stance on Inig being newbie town. Thoughts? | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
First of all, I find Cheese' explanation for why he thought Djod was scum and not SK highly suspect. Mostly because he made the clarification for why he thought so after Rad claimed vigi. Secondly, he kept Dandel open as a lynch target as soon as I made my case but he had given no indication whatsoever earlier in the thread that he really thought Dandel was scummy. The one time he actually gives his opinion on Dandel is a post giving Dandel advice that he shouldn't "act" confused. If anything, that's the very definition of scum behaviour, offering friendly advice to players they know to be town. Link here. Then after several posts of actually agreeing that Dandel looks scummy, he goes around and says here that - and I'm paraphrasing - "no wait, actually, I never thought Dandel was all that scummy, only his response to your case!" as well as saying my case sucked because the premise was bad. Yet the only thing my premise even suggested was that I thought Djod acting like a lone scum seemed weird and I looked at other possibilities because of it. Dandel tunnelling kush while in hindsight he probably only meant to do because kush is kush, at the time it was most certainly not a bad argument(and still isn't, but Dandel's other actions look much better for him at this point). Interestingly, the point that this happened at is after several posters had criticised me for WIFOMing about Djod(debears among others) so now Cheese must be feeling that he can't keep the option of lynching Dandel instead of Djod open any longer and tries to shut any non-Djod lynch down. I reckon he probably expected Djod to continue acting scummy but unless he conspired with both Roco and Inig I don't think he could have predicted the day to end like it did. The only thing I'm really questioning at this point is how exactly the pre-lynch chaos fits into all of this if both Roco and Inig are scum. Because then I don't see how Cheese could possibly be scum as unless it's an extremely ballsy bluff it just doesn't fit. I don't think scum were in any position to have to gamble on bluffing at all, getting Djod lynched seems like a pretty good result for scum to me. Basically, right now unless I find someone else that I consider more scummy, I need to decide whether or not I want to take the risk of lynching Inig or Roco(still leaning Roco in that case by the way) or to go with an actual case, because I just don't think a rock solid case can be made against either of them. I sincerely hope that they actually try and participate from this point because otherwise I still don't see how I have any other choice than to lynch one of them. | ||
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nackhtjogger
Germany105 Posts
On October 31 2012 00:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: This is an interesting notion. I'll look through the deceased's filters to see what I can find about them. On a general note, I know roco day1 wasn't well-received. Sounds to me like you're uncertain about the support for your next mislynch so you invoke the dead. Why? Because they are lurkers and nobody likes lurkers, not because you think they are scum. You can throw dirt at them all you want, I trust that Rad and debears will begin to open their eyes somewhere along Day 3, and then you're finished (it could already be too late though, maybe it's already scum vs SK at this point) | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
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nackhtjogger
Germany105 Posts
On October 31 2012 00:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: These posts really don't say anything more than we don't already know concerning Inig and Roco: Inig or Roco could be elusive scum or newbie town. What they do reveal, however, is that the rest of the town see's how inactive they both are being, and realize their potential for being scum. I don't believe anyone has a good thing to say about either of them. It's also interesting that Roco and Inig are referred to in the same context as we are discussing right now. They are being lumped together as one person Arguments like If they are both scum/if only one is scum then .. bla bla bla.. are laughable. | ||
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