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nackhtjogger
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany105 Posts
October 30 2012 00:17 GMT
#1381
I kept pressing F5 and was like why the fuck doesn't anyone post, only to realize I got stuck on the page
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
October 30 2012 00:20 GMT
#1382
Yea, if I don't get a fucking brilliant explanation within at the very most 15 minutes I'm going to consider both of you scum for the rest of the game.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
October 30 2012 00:20 GMT
#1383
EBWOP: Inig + Roco that is.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 30 2012 00:21 GMT
#1384
Roco, Inig.

I am going to be very nice to you.
If you tell me what kind of stunt you tried to pull back there, in detail. You will get free candy.
Daddy isn't mad at you. He just wants to understand.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
nackhtjogger
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany105 Posts
October 30 2012 00:21 GMT
#1385
On October 30 2012 09:20 Alsn wrote:
Yea, if I don't get a fucking brilliant explanation within at the very most 15 minutes I'm going to consider both of you scum for the rest of the game.

Lol @ scum acting angry.

Good night everybody.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 30 2012 00:37 GMT
#1386
This lurker brigade, really....
Might as well admit to being scum, guys. Not posting amounts to the same thing anyways.


Well, I'm gonna leave the thread now. Be back tomorrow.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
October 30 2012 00:37 GMT
#1387
Seriously, two ninja vote switches minutes before deadline and no explanation whatsoever. I'm gonna go sleep before I break something.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 30 2012 01:03 GMT
#1388
...........mb Djo..........my fault guys. I'm gonna go eat and clear my head and I'll be back tonight. Leave any questions in the thread.

debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 30 2012 01:39 GMT
#1389
Alright, some thoughts:

FOS Inig
FOS Roco


What you two have done is notoriously anti-town. You, if town, would not in any way, be playing to win the game

@Nackht

In light of your recent active discussion, I'm not too focused on you right now.

@Cheesecake

If you do not come back, I'm grouping you with Inig/Roco
nackhtjogger
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany105 Posts
October 30 2012 11:17 GMT
#1390
FOS: Alsn

Why didn't you vote for Cheese and wish-washed indecisively the whole time, causing confusion, instead ? I thought you said if Dandel is town, and since he claimed with a legit-looking breadcrumb to back it up it's pretty likely, that would make Cheese scum due to the high discrepancy of opinions emanating from the same material? You didn't act according to the convictions you claimed to have at all! You also said we are fucked if Djo is town. Why did you go along with the Inig derailment and then back to Djo? Why why why :lurk


Also lurkers stop lurking and explain your behavior. There might be 3 scummers around, and even if I don't see why scumyous would switch from one townie to scumbuddy (or another town IF Cheesecake is town) when bussing wasn't necessary, it still bothers me.

@debears, Dan, Rad, Alsn and whoever else is pissed about the lurkers.. let them explain themselves and then you explain to me why they would do what they did as scum (stop generalizing and instead focus on the motives they might have in this particular game and it's implications)
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 30 2012 11:46 GMT
#1391
Okay, the motives I can see:

A) They, like all game, were just sheeping onto a candidate without thinking about it = without caring who actually gets lynched. Scum motivation here. This option would mean Cheese is town.

B) It was an elaborate ploy to get our votes BACK onto Djo, because they "knew" how suspicious their votes looked, so it'd force the votes of the active people back onto a mislynch in Djo. Scum motivation. This'd mean that Inig (more likely) and/or Cheese (less likely and way more risky) are scum.

C) They just wanted to lynch somebody else than Inig, plain and simple. Scum motivation. Means Inig is scum.


So, to recap, I see 3 possible reasons. All are scum motivated. Cheese is 1-1 in possible scuminess here, while Inig is 2-0. Roco has the same alignment as Inig for sure. It's also a serious sign that they communicate with each other privately.

And the worst part: They don't even try to explain their fucking selves. They just keep with their strategy and hope we'll try our hand at another mislynch and forget about them again.

You can talk about your concerns of Alsn with him in the meantime, because it's not like the lurking boy wonders actually say anything. But I'mma be clear on this: If the lurkers don't come out with a REALLY damn good explanation of their actions during the night, I'm going to autolynch them first thing. (If I survive the night) And I'd ask you to do the same thing.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
October 30 2012 12:58 GMT
#1392
@Nackh
Unless the scum team is me, Roco and Inig, how in the world can you conclude that I'm still scum? The only way I could actually vote Cheese after what happened that close to the lynch is if I for some reason did not believe that Inig and Roco were scum when they voted that way. The only reason for that would be if I as some kind of scumlord convinced them to do it in order to let myself not have to vote for Cheese. But wait, then Cheese would be town!

I have no idea how you can still insist that me and Cheese are both scum, no matter how I slice it I don't understand how someone could arrive at that conclusion. If anything, I'd like you to explain why, exactly, it logically makes sense that I'm scum and that the actions leading up to lynch was me somehow saving my supposed scum buddy Cheese.

@Everyone
This turn of events is absolutely ridiculous, if Inig/Roco aren't scum, then we're fucked regardless if they continue playing the same way we've seen them do for the last couple of days. This because if they aren't, there's no fucking way we are going to get 4 consolidated votes on a scum. Which means I think that we are forced to lynch one of them and hope that there truly were scum intentions behind their actions. If we then don't hit red, well then the game is over.

That being said, I'm still hoping for some amazing clue as to what the fuck just happened, but if Inig/Roco doesn't even want to fucking participate, then what can we do? We have to assume that they're scum.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
October 30 2012 13:02 GMT
#1393
Actually, about the only thing we actually have going for us now is the fact that Rad might still be SK haha. Even if he isn't, if nothing else at the very least scum doesn't know that.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 30 2012 13:44 GMT
#1394
On October 30 2012 20:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
Okay, the motives I can see:

A) They, like all game, were just sheeping onto a candidate without thinking about it = without caring who actually gets lynched. Scum motivation here. This option would mean Cheese is town.

B) It was an elaborate ploy to get our votes BACK onto Djo, because they "knew" how suspicious their votes looked, so it'd force the votes of the active people back onto a mislynch in Djo. Scum motivation. This'd mean that Inig (more likely) and/or Cheese (less likely and way more risky) are scum.

C) They just wanted to lynch somebody else than Inig, plain and simple. Scum motivation. Means Inig is scum.


So, to recap, I see 3 possible reasons. All are scum motivated. Cheese is 1-1 in possible scuminess here, while Inig is 2-0. Roco has the same alignment as Inig for sure. It's also a serious sign that they communicate with each other privately.

And the worst part: They don't even try to explain their fucking selves. They just keep with their strategy and hope we'll try our hand at another mislynch and forget about them again.

You can talk about your concerns of Alsn with him in the meantime, because it's not like the lurking boy wonders actually say anything. But I'mma be clear on this: If the lurkers don't come out with a REALLY damn good explanation of their actions during the night, I'm going to autolynch them first thing. (If I survive the night) And I'd ask you to do the same thing.


In regards to what I bolded, keep in mind that everything was just fine with the votes until inig jumped in and switched to cheese. This caused the panic, but the mislynch of djo was going to happen before that anyway. I cannot think of a scum motive for inig to jump in and switch to cheese. The town motive there would be he truly believed djo was town or cheese was scum.

So, at panic time, we 3 said "Oh shit inig's being suspicious, screw that let's jump him" which I think was ok on our part because that shit was completely suspicious, and at the time it looked like he was trying to save djo (who I thought was scum). However, with djo flipping town, I can't figure out a single scum motive for him to do that, so while scummy and/or confusing (IMO non townie) as hell, I just can't see why he'd do it as scum.

Now onto roco, he switched vote after we started panicing about inig, and after dandel and alsn jumped over to inig. I had shown interest in switching to inig and I tried to see if djo and/or nackht were interested in a switch. This is the point where roco changed to cheese. IF we knew inig was scum, I could see this as a scum motive for roco to jump in and vote cheese, because it forces our votes back on djo's mislynch, but since we don't currently know if inig is scum, I guess this can't be a scum tell.

Again with roco as with inig, I can see a town motive for doing this. He already showed he didn't want to lynch djo earlier, and his current vote on dandel was useless to saving djo, but switching to cheese at least gives djo a chance (let's say that one of us might have been willing to switch to cheese, we had the chance to do so after both inig and roco switched and it would have gotten cheese lynched).

Now let me get this clear. I don't understand WHY inig or roco did what they did, and I WANT EXPLANATIONS, but I don't know if we'll get them (from roco at least, might from inig, but it'll just be "I thought djo was town and cheese was scum"). They sure are making this game hard as hell for me to figure out, which seems completely untownie to me (then again wtf do I know), but I can't figure out a scum motive for what they did beyond "make this game confusing as hell for town."
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
October 30 2012 13:50 GMT
#1395
Rad, while I agree that Dandel is probably overstating the inherent scumminess of what they did, there are scum motivations for such an act. It's possible that they reckoned that leaving their votes on Dandel would make them seem even more suspicious. Heck, even the idea that maybe they were afraid that we were going to switch to a potential scum Dandel, although that's kind of a stretch from where I'm standing.

The main issue is still that there's no explanation whatsoever. They were in the thread around the lynch, yet they didn't even bother to explain themselves. That to me either means that they are town and don't care at all about the game = we have lost, or they are scum and just can't find a good explanation = we have to lynch them.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
October 30 2012 13:55 GMT
#1396
Also, I'd like to point out that there were some movement towards Cheese. I was getting really worried myself leading up to the lynch that Djod was actually telling the truth so it wouldn't surprise me if scum thought that people would actually believe him. What I don't understand however is if they were worried that we would lynch Cheese, why a supposed Inig/Roco/Cheese scum team would then vote for Cheese.

Maybe an elaborate double bluff? I don't know but every reason I can think of ends up being quite a long shot.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 30 2012 13:57 GMT
#1397
That's why I want them to explain their bullshit.

If they don't, I'm going to assume the worst. They have given me no reason to to.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
October 30 2012 13:58 GMT
#1398
What I mean by movement towards Cheese, both Djod and Nackh had votes on Cheese and you, me and Dandel were discussing it(albeit very wishy washily). If Nackh is town and supposing Cheese is scum, having 2 townies on him and from their point of view a majority of remaining townies discussing the possibility it's possible that they felt they needed to do something about it.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
October 30 2012 14:01 GMT
#1399
Yea, exactly. I think at this point even though I still believe there's a possibility that you're scum Dandel, I think I'm pretty much forced to trust you at this point. So if you, me and Rad all figure out a lynch target that we can get behind, we just have to hope that remaining townies go for it too. Cause even if we mislynch, if all 4 town don't consolidate on the same target we don't even have the chance of being right.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
October 30 2012 14:01 GMT
#1400
Meh, I just realised that one of us will probably die tonight, so that doesn't even work.

This shit is depressing.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
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