My Last Words
Alright guys, face it, there is no reason why I should be alive tomorrow.Thats why I need to write the best damn death post I can so town can win this thing. Please reference this tomorrow. I see a lot of confusion in town, no one knows who or where to lynch. Well the best place to start looking is in thrawns filter. You may be saying Thrawn? That guy is soh town. I have to admit, hes pretty good at being active and writing town posts. But there is no motivation behind them other than to look townie. Lets dig deeper.
Thrawn2112
As I just said, thrawn is very good at making town looking posts, but if you look at his game as a whole and not just post by post. You will see what I mean for his scumminess. Lets start at part 1.
Part I : Go with the Flow:
Thrawn is doing a great job of commenting on everything, changing his scum reads cosntantly and provoking discussion that he doesn't care about. He looked very town day 1 in his posts, but his stories start to fall apart day 2 and day 3 was a train wreck for him. There is clear motivation to confuse the town by never solidifying a scum read and persuing it. As well as asking questions on things he doesn't follow up on just to look townie. His flip floppyness is absurd, as town you want to find and kill mafia, Thrawn just wants to talk about who might be mafia. Lets examine this.
Lets take a look at Thrawns thoughts and actions throughout the game, there is just too much posts to be quoting all this but I will quote the important contradictions after I do a brief summary.
Day 1:
-suspicious ET
-case on prplhz
-case on sandroba
End result: Votes and lynches ON over sandroba
Night 1:
-scum lies with ET da0d and hopeless
Day 2:
-case on da0d
-wants to circle with da0d prplhz potato
End result: Doesn't push people the explode da0d happily lets prplhz blow himself up
Night 2:
-retracts case on da0d
-kush/austin suspicion
Day 3:
-implies kush/djo is where he thinsk scum is
-da0d as number #1 pick after retracting case on night 2
-implies he thinks djo is scum after mementoss case
-doesn't want da0 lynched now
-kush scummy
-kush/djo again
-Austin #1 based on vote sharing, when he already asked austin about it he said it was "belieable" never pushed austin all day
-da0d put #8 pick townier than thrawn himself.
End Result: Austin is lynched and da0d is moved from #1 scum read to #1 town read. He waits a long time after saying he thinks da0 is lynched to change him way down, and yell at people for lynching da0d. Results in a last minute lynch on austin when he never explicitly said why he thought austin was scum other than, seems not like town meta with no support.
Wtf happened to DJO KUSH? HMMM wtf.
Here are some clear contradictions:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 12 2012 18:24 thrawn2112 wrote:ON vs Hopeless If they were separated I'd probably vote for both of them to advance. ON because he's the biggest lurker, and his voting antics have just been completely anti-town and he doesn't seem to know/care about it. For hopeless, I like the case djodref made against him. + Show Spoiler +On October 12 2012 18:06 Djodref wrote:As promised, I would like to present you my case against Hopeless. My main points against him are:
- Lack of scumhunting
- Suspicious unvotes at deadline
- Contradicts himself
Lack of scumhunting+ Show Spoiler +He admits it himself in this post in response to Kush On October 12 2012 03:56 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 02:44 kushm4sta wrote:
From Hope's posts it's clear that he is not concerned with finding scum. What does he care about instead?
-Will you be here for the deadline?
-Don't waste your votes.
Two topics, both of which I consider to be a total waste of time and a way to feign activity.
Addressing more of this: /snip You say I'm feigning activity. My activity is poor, and as close to trivial as it gets, but my actions have clear motive in terms of how people have advanced each round. You claim I'm not scumhunting. No, not in the conventional sense, I'm not. There are now 4 players completely out of the running for todays' lynch, but for all I know, all the scum are in those players. I have no flips and very limited information. I realize I'm not giving people much to work with, but I'll deal with that later.Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 03:45 Mementoss wrote:
@Hopeless stop defending yourself and give us your two best scum reads or your view of the matchups and who you are thinking of voting I'd rather not give scumreads because of both the short length of the game so far and the lynch mechanics. I will go through the matchups and give my thoughts on those. Hiro vs ON is already done. Please note also how he implies that we are going to mislynch (all the scum already out comment). This is not scummy but it is at least not good town mentality. On top of that he refuses to give his scumreads invoking bad excuses (what are the lynch mechanics doing here ?) and for this, I clearly don't see any town motivation. I don't know if you have noticed it but his unannounced unvote at round 1 deadline had a influence on the kush/prplhz match-up. He let Kush advanced over Prplhz. Look at the way he presents it On October 12 2012 03:56 Hopeless1der wrote:
/snip
I'm getting some flak for my ##Unvote All, part of which is I gave no notice that I was doing anything. However, I had already posted that I was going to be available during the deadline, which no one cared about, and the end result is almost exactly the same. The exception is that you, kush, advanced as a result, BUT Hiro was under the impression that you would have gone through without my 'assistance'. My activity during the deadline had a significant impact, which I would rather people be aware of so that no one is blindsided.
/snip
I'm not accepting his excuse for this. Should I state that I'm going to be present for deadline tomorrow and happily reverse the result of a matchup ? Is this ok ? I don't like the way he presents it, stating that it almost exactly the same, when his actions led to an opposite results for one match-up. He has no choice but to admit it but the fact he has doing it passively (by unvoting) and shifting the focus on Hiro helped him to make Kush advance (or should I say eliminate prplhz from the competition?) quite unnoticed. At least, I didn't catch up at first. If you guys have all seen this then I'm sorry for bringing this up. What makes it even more suspicious is the global picture: - voting prplhz for one post, voting ON for being a lurker, voting me on a gut feeling
- passively letting Kush advance (reason=> wants to see how Hiro is going to handle Kush on round 2)
- not following Kush at all round 2, voting sandroba
I would say that Hopeless doesn't really care about who is going to advance in this bracket. And the question I really would like him to answer is what he is planning to do with all the votes that he has carefully saved ? Firstly he did contradict himself while speaking about letting kush advance. I'm sorry but it not exactly the same when you reverse the issue of a matchup. And here is the second contradiction: I didn't understand why he was so obsessed with people present at deadline and I called him for it. Here is the post he gave me in response On October 11 2012 23:55 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 22:34 Djodref wrote:And one last thing before studying the MUs. @HopelessOn October 11 2012 11:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
/snip
I'll ask again since no one responded last time:
WILL YOU BE AVAILABLE AROUND THE DEADLINE (YES/NO)? PLEASE SELECT ONE RESPONSE.
Hopeless1der: Yes
Deadline is 11am for me and I have a meeting starting at 9am which should end my business trip. So I'm either going to be in meeting or on the way back to Seoul for the deadline. In the latter case, I should be able to check the thread with my phone. Now that I have answered your question, I would really like you to answer mine: Why are so concerned by people being around at deadline or not ? What are you trying to achieve exactly ? There is usually a panic towards the end of a day to consolidate votes and have crazy things happen during the final hours. With this lynch mechanic, there isn't enough time to properly consolidate and I think knowing who is willing and able to be active during the deadline is very beneficial to town. Case in point, go look at the way I voted and my concern makes much more sense. I asked for people's deadline schedules again because 7 out of 11 players (not counting myself) posted without acknowledging the question. There seems to be a severe lack of reading comprehension going on in this thread. da0ud is evidently foreign enough that he gets a pass. The rest of you bastards, not so much. What I'm trying to achieve is using my votes in the most efficient way possible to maximize town's advantage this cycle. This, of course, assumes I'm town. I'll explain my reasoning later if necessary. Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 21:00 Mementoss wrote:On October 11 2012 20:59 thrawn2112 wrote:On October 11 2012 20:56 Mementoss wrote:
It bothers me that these 3 players have the most power in town
ON
Hopeless
Da0
None of them used any votes officially, and all have 10 votes remaining. Coming down to the wire any one of them as scum could sway the results. If they're scum and that's their plan then they're pretty stupid because they'd be put in the spotlight for doing that. Not all 3, but it is very possible for one of them to be scum, gaining 2 extra votes after the first round could prove to be a great advantage. Mementoss, I get that you're suspicious of people having all their votes, but can you look over how I (un)voted and tell me if you think I'm scummy because of it?
OriginalName, you still havent addressed why you felt you needed two votes on djodref, ESPECIALLY when he was already leading his matchup. You were literally throwing away votes. What I understood from this answer is that knowing who is present at deadline prevents crazy things from happening. I think that the simplest way from preventing crazy thing to happen is to use your votes and sticking to them. Unvoting like you do results in more possibilities for outcome of MUs to change, something you want to prevent by asking everybody if they are going to be present at deadline or not. I think you want to give yourself some presence in the thread by asking everybody if they are here for deadline or not. In reality you just want to know if you can safely do you unvoting cuisine. With all this I'm pretty sure that Hopeless is scum. I'm going to go full force in him this round against him because I really want him to get lynched today and I may not be able to use my votes on the next round. I'm also interested to see who is going to vote for his concurrent, the Great Lurker, I named OriginalName. Please be aware that I'm not forgiving ON in any way with this post. Right now, I really find Hopeless to be the scummiest among us. Prplhz is also looking scummy in my eyes. I'll develop on this later but I would like first to have some feedback on this case, especially from Hopeless. Hopeless x6 Out of the two of them I am less certain about ON, so I want hopeless to advance. Djo has already gone all in on hopeless so I'm gonna hold off on voting unless it's needed.
Very wishy washy and this is that all might important matchup and he wants hopeless to advance.
On October 13 2012 04:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
Right now I'm not wanting to lynch djo or hopeless. I do want to lynch sandroba, but I'm not sure about ON. At this point I think a policy lynch could be in order.
So I want it to be sandroba vs ON, with sandroba getting lynched.
or wait now he changed his mind, still wants sandroba his best scum read lynched, Not sure about ON, goes on to say not sure about ON 100 times before saying meh bus time and votes him
On October 14 2012 16:51 thrawn2112 wrote:yeah the bolded part just screams noob mafia Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 15:58 da0ud wrote:
Sorry just caught up on the chat and am currently hiking close to china border so poor network.
One first thing on my vote against San is at the time as default choice between two people I found scummy.
I found more content on sand than on the lurker ON. And at the time I put my votes there was already 11 votes on san. I was following the crowd.
Overnight the defense of Sand got pretty intense and sure would I have shifted my votes towards ON, not that it would have made a difference anyway.
Even if it is not confirmed I am fairly sure Sand is town cause he put his votes on ON to go to the final which would not make sense for a scum to push another scum to face him in finals.
At this stage I am pretty sure as well mementoss is scum. I already put it as second scum read from the round of 4 but now put him as top read. Ok you voted for sandroba because: "One first thing on my vote against San is at the time as default choice between two people I found scummy." but here are the most recent cases of you talking about either of them: Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 11:21 da0ud wrote:
ON moves on then not then again.
Now I am pretty sure at least one town is in the finals. Let's hope there are not two of them and we find the scummy one Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 11:18 da0ud wrote:
I see as well that Sand voted 7 times against ON to make him move on, when himself was already doomed over Djo.
Hence ON and Sand cannot both be scums. It is actually a good result to have Sand vs Hopeless So please show me where you found ON scummy. In fact it seems like you weren't "thinking" ON was scum... your reason for voting him was always policy related: Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 11:03 da0ud wrote:
I wanted ON over Hopeless because of ON inactivity and actually ON has posted a lot of good things and but effort in his defense. There is more content to be expected from him to help us get a better read on him in the future.
I do want Sand > Djo which is the case right now. From what i said earlier I dont think either that Djo and Hopeless can both be mafia, hence at least we are saving one valuable town with constructive agrumentation. Oh and I'm not really convinced about memtoss.... I don't buy that he was bussing ON. His votes for ON came at a time when a bus would have been extremely stupid or extremely clever and I doubt he's capable of either. I think he was the first person to actually vote ON. Maybe a scum memtoss would have figured that sand is getting lynched no matter what but I doubt he'd have taken that risk.
Case on da0d
+ Show Spoiler +On October 15 2012 06:44 thrawn2112 wrote:i'm very confident on da0 being scum, and i think it's somewhat likely prplhz is too so that doesn't leave much room for other scumreads. Also ON voted djo so there's that... Only reason I have to suspect djo is because he didn't actually have a vote in the last round so we have no real way of determining his "true motives".... and his last intentions were to vote for sand. His last reads were prp and hiro and I'd liek to know the explanations for those as well as what he thinks about da0
very confident
+ Show Spoiler +On October 17 2012 15:13 thrawn2112 wrote:There's a lot in the tone and motive of da0's posts that make me think he is scum, but I'm having a hard time differentiating that from what might just be language barrier problems, or general first time noobishness. Here are some examples. They include just general weirdness, hints of insincerity, and chiming in with agreement whenever people defend him. + Show Spoiler +On October 10 2012 13:24 da0ud wrote:
Hi again guys !
Happy to be here with ya all !
I am french leaving in HK and pretty bored at work currently so this game will have my full attention. This is my first MAFIA game on a chat thread, but I have played a lot with real friends in real life. So it should be pretty cool.
One first guess on the voting system is that people who are already given a BYE from first round are at a disadvantage (cause they have one less chance to be out) and on top of that they are higher seeded hence at a second disadvantage in case of 0-0 tie. Pretty unfair isn't it.
I guess it must have been a master plan from the Alien Invaders who put themselves all as the lowest seeded people. I would put focus on eliminating players number 10, 11 and 12 this round if possible.
What do you guys think ?
At least i am trying to put a lead on who is what....
Daoud. On October 11 2012 12:53 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 08:21 austinmcc wrote:On October 11 2012 08:12 kushm4sta wrote:
Thrawn did you read my point about how it's a scum mentality to say that byes are at a "disadvantage"?
vote daoud IMO!
I really dont want to overrule other people's votes by voting more than once. I also do not want to get lynched, and I am town. I view starting one step closer to lynch as a "disadvantage." Yes, it's kind of weird phrasing, but townies don't want to get lynched either. I don't read that as really pointing one way or the other, whereas I read his comment about wanting to lynch seeds 10, 11, and 12 because they might have rigged the bracket that we have been told by mods was random as a townie thing. It shows...unhealthy paranoia about things that cannot be true? Like +1 On October 11 2012 14:38 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 13:14 kushm4sta wrote:@daoud On October 11 2012 12:48 da0ud wrote:
Thank you, you are the only one i think who understood really what I meant. I hope you are not using me.
so lol. Clarify how he can be using you? Well, as he was the only one really supporting me, he could easily get my trust and getting me to follow his lead on who to vote against, etc. If he was mafia, then that would be another bullet for the mafia team (ie : getting a townie to follow their voting pattern). Maybe what i say doesn't make sense, but : * Let say we are 9 townies, 3 mafia. * One of the mafia supports the "weird" guy (who is the only one who reads the theme of the game :D) * Let's assume this guy is now 40% following the conviction of the manipulator. * Town is now made of 3.4 mafia vs 8.6 townies, and the plague is spreading. But I am not that dumb (or am I ?), I'll make decisions by myself. On October 14 2012 22:26 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 21:51 kushm4sta wrote:On October 11 2012 14:38 da0ud wrote:
* Let say we are 9 townies, 3 mafia.
* One of the mafia supports the "weird" guy (who is the only one who reads the theme of the game :D)
* Let's assume this guy is now 40% following the conviction of the manipulator.
* Town is now made of 3.4 mafia vs 8.6 townies, and the plague is spreading.
This is first time scum? Yeah math can be an indication of scum wanting to appear active, but keep in mind this was an explanation that I requested. I don't think first time scum would try to fake this level of newbie paranoia. On October 11 2012 15:14 da0ud wrote:
Out of topic question : are you all in bed ?
I will be super not busy for the next 4hrs. Please ALL wake up !!
Look how eager he is to interact. As scum I would think he'd be more afraid. Haha. The alien invaders "joke" is just..... idk. Later on he said it was an attempt to get discussion moving but I do not see how he could expect anyone to take that idea seriously. Then he talks about "mini scum"..... just wtf once again. Da0 what were you talking about with mini scum? Another point against him is that he laid down 9 votes on sandroba. That's already been addressed by people on both sides of the da0 debate but it still stands as a fact. He talked about his vote for sand and here was my initial take on his post: + Show Spoiler +On October 14 2012 16:51 thrawn2112 wrote:yeah the bolded part just screams noob mafia Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 15:58 da0ud wrote:
Sorry just caught up on the chat and am currently hiking close to china border so poor network.
One first thing on my vote against San is at the time as default choice between two people I found scummy.
I found more content on sand than on the lurker ON. And at the time I put my votes there was already 11 votes on san. I was following the crowd.
Overnight the defense of Sand got pretty intense and sure would I have shifted my votes towards ON, not that it would have made a difference anyway.
Even if it is not confirmed I am fairly sure Sand is town cause he put his votes on ON to go to the final which would not make sense for a scum to push another scum to face him in finals.
At this stage I am pretty sure as well mementoss is scum. I already put it as second scum read from the round of 4 but now put him as top read. Ok you voted for sandroba because: "One first thing on my vote against San is at the time as default choice between two people I found scummy." but here are the most recent cases of you talking about either of them: Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 11:21 da0ud wrote:
ON moves on then not then again.
Now I am pretty sure at least one town is in the finals. Let's hope there are not two of them and we find the scummy one Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 11:18 da0ud wrote:
I see as well that Sand voted 7 times against ON to make him move on, when himself was already doomed over Djo.
Hence ON and Sand cannot both be scums. It is actually a good result to have Sand vs Hopeless So please show me where you found ON scummy. In fact it seems like you weren't "thinking" ON was scum... your reason for voting him was always policy related: Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 11:03 da0ud wrote:
I wanted ON over Hopeless because of ON inactivity and actually ON has posted a lot of good things and but effort in his defense. There is more content to be expected from him to help us get a better read on him in the future.
I do want Sand > Djo which is the case right now. From what i said earlier I dont think either that Djo and Hopeless can both be mafia, hence at least we are saving one valuable town with constructive agrumentation. Oh and I'm not really convinced about memtoss.... I don't buy that he was bussing ON. His votes for ON came at a time when a bus would have been extremely stupid or extremely clever and I doubt he's capable of either. I think he was the first person to actually vote ON. Maybe a scum memtoss would have figured that sand is getting lynched no matter what but I doubt he'd have taken that risk. Also, he was who Sandroba most wanted us to kill, and from I can tell it's the same deal with ET. Both of those guys are dead. Sandroba's lst words about da0 were: Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 16:57 sandroba wrote:
Just lynch da0ud, then prplhz, then you figure the rest out if the game is not over. The only reason why I think he could be town is because his scumhunting posts show a lot of townie paranoia. Like a lot. And this being his first game that would make sense for him to be overly paranoid. And he has shown pretty consistent suspicion of memtoss but eh, scum or town would do that. So for now he's gonna stay at number 3 spot,on my list and will possibly move up higher because I'm not confident that he's scum but there is so much against him (his posts seem forced, he was sandroba's and et's lynch choice, he voted 9 for sandroba)that it'd be dumb to let it slide. Also I think a do0 flip would be extremely useful. As for austin.... bleh. I've played 1 game with him (town austin) and I've obsed a couple of his town games and he just seemed so much more straightforward and useful than he's being in this game. His word count is still really high but his post just seem way fluffier than what I'd come to expect from him. Also I still can't get over the vote sharing thing from D1. I can not understand how any town player would do that.... first of all that means that you don't trust your own judgement which I don't think that'd be the case with a town austin, and it also means that you have almost confirmed town reads in the people you're giving the votes to. He did it on D1... could he really have been so sure that kush and I were town at that point? Also, at the time he made the offer I believe kush was strongly in favor of lynching sandroba, and I was on the fence but I'd been the main person pushing sand's case all game. I am not convinced that town austin would have shared votes like that. As for hiro, he got the 2 spot on my list basically because of process of elimination. I don't have the slightest town read on him, nor do I have the slightest scum read. That is very worrying and in the past when there's a player that I'm not really concerned with because they are off the radar, big surprise they end up being scum. I'll look through his filter next.
Retracts case on da0d after night 2:
Makes da0d his number 1 scum read for his list
On October 18 2012 01:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
1 da0ud
2 austin
3 hiro
4 Djodref
5 mementoss
6 kushm4sta
7 hopeless1der
8 thrawn2112
kush lets discuss da0
+ Show Spoiler +On October 18 2012 13:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
no I don't want to lynch him because I don't like lynching replacements, especially when the replace in with like 24 hours left till lynch.
As for your case, I don't think the "not giving potato to prplhz" is a good argument. Reading through his filter at that time it really looked like he had good reasons for not doing so. (He planned on giving prplhz the potato right before the 24 hour mark) Other than that the main stuff everyone (including me) has been citing as suspicious behavior was his lurking... well when he gets a replacement that makes me think he has legitimate real life reasons for his low activity. That does not point to townie or scummy... it just means he didn't have enough time to properly play the game so I can't make any judgement calls based on the fact that he was a lurker. Other than that, the posts he did make were well reasoned etc so I don't see anything damming enough to lynch his replacement. At this point my read on hiro is basically null and it's all going to be based off my read on VE from now on.
Reaons not to lynch Ve
Again VE townie no interest in him
On October 19 2012 07:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
1 austin
2 kushm4sta
3 djodref
4 mementoss
5 hopeless1der
6 thrawn
7 VE
8 da0ud
1.5 hours later
On October 19 2012 08:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
i say we lynch djod then probably VE
The flip floppiness on the ultimate reason he lynched austin. BTW TONS of scum motivation for taking out town austin, esepcailly after the blue claim.
Asks austin about the vote sharing and this is his response
On October 18 2012 03:37 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 03:32 Mementoss wrote:On October 18 2012 03:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
i don't think an austin/da0 scum team is possible why, austin has been defending da0 constantly, and da0 has had austin as a scum read, but it was always 3rd or 4th on his list, never a contender to be lynched in da0s regards, common thing to do with scum mates. because I don't think that scum austin would defend scum da0 so hard @austin that is a very believable response
Than here is where he decides austin needs to die.
On October 19 2012 05:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin I think it's time for you to answer for your vote sharing. may god have mercy upon your soul
1 austin
2 djodref
3 mementoss
4 kushm4sta
5 hopeless1der
6 thrawn
7 hiro
8 da0ud
list is obviously adjusted so that da0 and the replacement won't get lynched
There is a couple more instances of this but the austin one is the most fucking damning.
In conclusion THRAWN is too fucking scared to ever hard commit to who he thinks is scum ALL game. This is scum motivated because it throws around too many suspects and he since he doesnt hard commit to his reads, ever or pushes them, he can just switch whenever it is nessecary to push scum agenda. AKA killing austin the good town player, whenever he was wanting to lynch djo and kush and even da0 at the beginning of the day. Here is what thrawns response was too all his shit flip flopping and never committing to anything.
On October 18 2012 23:59 thrawn2112 wrote:
I like flopping, I don't care if it makes me look bad, I'll point out anything that looks suspicious regardless of how many people I end up talking about and I'll take a hard stance once I'm convinced I'm right. Is it the most townie way to play? No but I care less about how townie I look and more about figuring out who's scum.
D1 was pretty stupid because all we learned was that ON is scum and hopeless is prob town, and D2 was spent going "lolz prp/da0 are last two scum." So we haven't exactly had the most pro-town atmosphere in which to make solid reads.
I think its fairly obvious he doesnt give 2 shits about finding scum, and only trying to look town. He doesn't push hsi scum reads or really care at all if anyone agrees with him. He changes his mind about his scum read less than 24 hours later FREQUENTLY. How can you have a hard scum read on da0d and then think hes fucking #1 town? THIS JUST DOESNT Happen in town mentality, without proper justification!!!!!
Part 2: If Austin is town, mementoss is scum
Did Thrawn just fucking forget about this post? He wants to lynch Djo and VE now, but remember what he said he thought if austin flipped town?
On October 18 2012 03:59 thrawn2112 wrote:
But what still doesn't make sense about is that I can't justify to myself ever being willing to share any of my votes... but there was a TON of hesitation about sandroba vs ON so I can see you taking that risk with your votes.
Austin I decided to work out what my new list would be, in a hypothetical scenario where I decide you're town. It comes out looking like this:
1 mementoss
2 Djodref
3 hiro
4 da0ud
5 austin
6 kushm4sta
7 hopeless1der
8 thrawn
That would be my new list of most scum to most town. Mementoss gets the first place because your case against him is very convincing. I'll have to go through his filter again myself but every time you've made a memtoss case I've found it convincing. Of course that list would have to be adjusted based on what everyone else is doing, because we are in fact listing our top choices for lynch instead of our top scumreads. But anyways what do you think about djodref? I think that if you're town, then the remaining scum are probably within mem, djo, hiro. Da0 is a guy like kush said, I don't have strong convictions about. My gut read tells me that his scumhunting has extremely newbie townie traits but on the other hand I don't want to ignore the reads of ET and sand.
This post rubbed me wrong extremely when I read it. It espeically makes him look scum now that austin is confirmed town. He was trying to set up a mislynch if he changed his mind on austin being town, or if austin flipped town. The list makes 0 sense anyways, I made the case on djo how can I be 1 and djo be 2? He says all of austins cases have been convincing on me, YET he has never mentioned them, or commented on them before this. He never fucking says I think mementoss looks scumm cause of this case austin made. This post alone is worth lynching thrawn from. There is no town motivation for this, I can even imagine how you could think this logic up as town. He also says he doesn't have strong convictions about da0d yet its the only case he has made since day 2, and only the third case of the game.
Part III Another Weird post/ angry defense against kush:
On October 18 2012 22:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
Austin what are your thoughts about the possibility of a mementoss/hiro scumteam? When I look at the final brackets and color in who I am sure of as town, after looking at it those are just the two names that jump out at me.
This is after thrawn said I was townie looking as hell, yet these names stand out to him after colouring in his town readS? Why wasn't I a town read after he called me townie as hell.
Here is thrawn showing frustration for anyone putting any pressure on him all game.
On October 18 2012 21:13 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 21:03 kushm4sta wrote:
@thrawn really good job improving your scum play since I called you out on it BTW If you're going to admit to ignoring everything I say then you may as well claim scum... you can't possibly be 100% convinced that I'm scum so either go ahead and claim scum or stop acting like scum kush. + Show Spoiler +And yes your post did serve as a wake up call. I've had kinda a shitty game and I haven't been taking it too seriously, especially after the D1 flip. I think yesterday or so was the first time I've been truly sober since the game's started.
On October 18 2012 21:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
When I said I'm going to ignore you I was talking about your case against me.. I see no reason to bother myself with it. Oh and the passive aggressive name dropping shit is annoying too but no reason to comment on that either.
In conclusion: I would lynch thrawn tommorrow in all my power. Him lynching austin is the straw that broke the scums back. He was consistently flip flopping his words all day 3 and yet lynches austin, after having much more consistent reasoning to lynch djo all day. He went from da0 scum to da0 townier than himself. His inconsistnecies throughout the game, espeically day 3 have been ridiculous. His unwillingness to commit to any scum reads or try to push them is scum motivated so he can switch off to whaetever benefits his team. Everyone re-read day 3 and see how actively useless thrawn was to deciding/pushign a scum lynch. All he did was ask questions, sit back and change his mind 5 times.
Bonus: I might not get a chance to go through it, but thrawn has been defending da0d since day 1 and quickly backed off the case he made on him. Could DEFINTILY be his partner. He softly defends him in a lot of ways hopefully I can show.
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