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Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
August 15 2012 13:02 GMT
#421
On August 15 2012 09:37 Bill Murray wrote:
##vOTE: tUNKEG


Holy shit you got alot of awesome reasoning for that sir...
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
August 15 2012 13:05 GMT
#422
On August 15 2012 18:34 Fulblade wrote:
Right. Reason for shit activity below.
+ Show Spoiler +
Basically, I have been finishing up my exams the past 3 days. In order words, I havent anything with the game as of yet other than a quick chat with fulla. That was the main reason I hydra'd, because I realised that there would probably be a period of time wherein I had to afk.

Fulla himself is pretty busy with work too it seems. I will be pretty free for quite a while now that exams are over, thus I will be alot more active and stuff.


The primary question as of now is this: What do we do with our D1 lynch? I am of the mindset that we should indeed focus on players with good positions in terms of aillances.

Regarding the targerts that have come up today, I would be perfectly fine with a BH lynch. 2 aillances is a pretty decent position, and he might even have 3 (It is a very smart move to lie and say you have 2 aillances - It is a "decent" position but not an overly strong one, AND people will be less likely to doubt you considering that you claimed a rather high amount. Etc. if BH claimed having just 1 there will be a lot more doubt on that, and doing things this way he can get some attention of himself). Would not mind getting rid of him.

Tunkeg has been pretty dammed noisy so far. I do agree with his statement that more "well-known" players are much more likely to secure strong positions due to being in a position where it is fairly likely people would send BH more PMs. However, I do agree with BH on one thing - the fact that tunkeg didnt actually ask the thread for aillances is one worrying thing. He claims to not have gotten a single PM - whilst I personally find that rather plausible, he did have the capability to send out one, and I think it is likely that he managed to get into a decent aillance through that one PM. Not a bad lynch definately.

Speaking of which I doubt these 2 are ailled, makes hardly any sense to push an ally to the extent that one of you gets lynched. I highly doubt bussing is going to come into play this game, primilarly due to a lack of aillance flips.

I dont buy BM's "no ailles" bullshit. I also like how rastaban and zentor both call for activity but do shit themselves. haha.

In those 2 currently proposed, I would most definately prefer BH. Why? He himself has claimed that he is already in a strong position, and as such makes a perfectly fine lynch. Compared to that, whilst I do believe that Tunkeg could be part of a large aillance, it is more of a light hunch of mine. I much rather lynch the self-claimed player in a strong position than a player who has a chance to be in a strong position.

##vote: Blazinghand


Altough you are voting BH you are pretty much pissing all over me here. You say I claim to not have gotten a single PM, and that is somewhat true, I didn't receive a single PM at the time before I went to bed on the first day, after this I haven't claimed anything about the PM's.

Then you proceed to say that because I didn't ask in thread about alliances I am definatly in a good alliance? WTF is this? The only one who did this is BM, and I am pretty sure that is just posing. I would never ask for an alliance in thread, because those alliances are fucking useless. Why are you even calling me out on this when 11 other players, included yourself didn't do this?

[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
August 15 2012 13:09 GMT
#423
Tight as in if they allied they would know each other better. If you're in a backstabbing alliance, you've got bigger problems. The whole point of mafia is to play to win, and if your alliance isn't doing that I hope they enjoy their ban.

I'm offering a second viewpoint on BH's case and presented some new information. You're just regurgitating what you were saying three pages ago.
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Fulblade
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom53 Posts
August 15 2012 13:22 GMT
#424
Na tunkeg, what I am saying is that I simply put, as BH says, dont believe that you would take the time to agure about vikings when you dont have a decent aillance secured. Obviously this could be wrong, which is why I am voting BH - because he is 100% in a decent position.

Also my mistake regarding the PM thing - that was my assumption from your posting.

The reason I am calling you out on this is because you were the only one following the following.
1) Being extermely active in thread.
2) Complaning about your position regarding aillances.

I definately agree BM is 99% posing though. I would like to know why BH believes him so easily when he says that he has no aillances.
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Fulblade
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom53 Posts
August 15 2012 15:56 GMT
#425
Thread so quiet. I'll be going to sleep till after the deadline due to the fact that I am dead tired. Fulla is probably going to come on later so he can change our vote if need be.

/zel.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
August 15 2012 15:57 GMT
#426
BM and I go way back, like cheese and ranch dressing-- made to be put on seafood together

I'm pretty sure Tunkeg is screwing with us. All joking aside, there's no way he'd be so calm at the end of the alliance phase given how freaked-out he was earlier unless he was seriously feeling pretty comfortable with his setup. This isn't even a meta thing, this is just comparing "Tunkeg during start of PMs phase" to "Tunkeg at the end of alliance phase" and there's a huge difference. He's pulling all the strings around here
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Fulblade
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom53 Posts
August 15 2012 16:14 GMT
#427
Fulla half posting.

Tunkeg you definitely are coming across a bit dodgy. I find it hard to believe you are a loner. I suspect atleast 1 ally.

I agree with my Zel half tho, BH you've admitted being in a strong alliance, then it's only a matter of time before you win unless we lynch. Tunkeg day 2, BH today you seem to the biggest threat to everyone.

/Fula
Here to rule the world!
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
August 15 2012 16:26 GMT
#428
this distincting between a large number of allies and a strong alliance is false. larger is literally better, because it means in the night phase you can do bigger combined attacks. If you think I'm in a small but "strong" alliance, that's fine, and if you think that Tunkeg is in a big but "weak" alliance, that's also fine, but if you think both those things AND think that I'm a bigger threat than Tunkeg during the nightphase, your premise doesn't follow your conclusion. I definitely think I'm a bigger threat than he is during the dayphase, but I've done my best to be open and honest and to mitigate that-- I'm almost certainly getting lynched tomorrow. And no matter how much you say it, you KNOW that if tunkeg lives through today, he'll weasel his way out of things tomorrow. That's the kind of guy he is.

In any case, stop drawing a distinction where there's no difference. There's like no reason to break an alliance except in the late late game, so now that the alliances are set in stone your allies are basically trustworthy. Tunkeg's swarm of allies is easily stronger than my 2 allies, but once he's dead, they won't be. I want him dead, and honestly, unless you think your group is stronger than his, you want him dead to. Vote in your own self-interest. Vote tunkeg.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
August 15 2012 16:32 GMT
#429
Plus, all you guys who think having 2 allies is like the best thing are full of crap. On average, each person sent one PM and received one PM, putting them in contact with 2 people. Barring some supreme incompetence or unluck (or, of course, treachery) most players should have 2 allies. Some players will have 1 ally. Some will have 3.

# of allies is so important it's unreal. Any AoK battle is basically determined by who has more stuff barring big compositional or terrain elements, which there won't be much of. Tunkeg has more allies than me, so I can't kill him at night. My only hope is to get him lynched.

It's probably your only hope, too.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Sir Posts A Lot
Profile Joined July 2012
Congo42 Posts
August 15 2012 17:02 GMT
#430
Yo what's up.

BH, you just admitted you are in a "strong alliance"? lol

Oh well:

##Vote: Blazinghand

If you are so afraid of Tunkeg then get your allies to kill him tonight, or convince other people to attack him tonight as well.

/gonzaw
Oh, my, god. Becky, look at her filter
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
August 15 2012 17:05 GMT
#431
Man, of course I'm in a strong alliance. I'm freaking Blazinghand, literally the most experienced player in all of TL Mafia. At the dawn of time, when the world was yet unborn and gods roved through the cosmos, it was I who molded Qatol out of the stellar mud, and I who formed Incog from the stardust that gathered throughout the galaxy.

The reason I'm trying to lynch Tunkeg is I literally don't think I'll be able to kill him with my allies. And do you think anyone will trust each other enough to gang up on him with people not in their alliance? It'd be a fun trick to convince other people to attack Tunkeg then bail and let them get owned.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Sir Posts A Lot
Profile Joined July 2012
Congo42 Posts
August 15 2012 17:08 GMT
#432
If you make everybody fear Tunkeg I don't see why someone won't.

Convincing people to vote Tunkeg out of fear is the same as convincing people to attack Tunkeg out of fear, the only difference is that the attacks are anonymous until the next day.

I dunno, you want to kill Tunkeg so badly, so you try.
Oh, my, god. Becky, look at her filter
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
August 15 2012 17:14 GMT
#433
Dude, it's TOTALLY different. Attacking uses vital resources, risks losing units, and is anonymous and you don't know if your army will die or if you'll get betrayed or attacked while you're out. Doing it against a strong alliance is dumb.

The Lynch is much safer, and is what should be used against big alliances. attacks are for fighting people weaker than you.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
August 15 2012 17:15 GMT
#434
Look if I really thought I was stronger than Tunkeg I wouldn't be trying to lynch him, I'd just wait until night and kill him because I could. I really really don't think my allies have a chance of killing Tunkeg at night, and honestly I have ZERO confidence that some sort of non-allied coalition will take him and his buddies down. Think about it, you know it's true.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
August 15 2012 17:16 GMT
#435
Also obviously if you lynch me, my allies definitely won't be able to kill Tunkeg. They won't be able to win in my stead, and his hordes will overrun everyone and we'll die etc etc. So there is that, too.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Sir Posts A Lot
Profile Joined July 2012
Congo42 Posts
August 15 2012 17:28 GMT
#436
How's any different lynching Tunkeg on D2 and you D1 than the other way round?
Oh, my, god. Becky, look at her filter
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
August 15 2012 17:38 GMT
#437
##vote: Tunkeg

Tunkeg likely has an aggressive civ (wanted vikings) and doesn't like me b/c of pregame. Id like him dead before he does me in.

To the person I pm'd pregame, amendments will be made tonight.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
August 15 2012 17:40 GMT
#438
If you lynch Tunkeg D1, me and my allies will be stronger and more likely to do what we want to do N1. If you lynch me D1 my alliance is shattered.

From your point of view, there isn't a huge amount of difference, except that Tunkeg is likely in a larger alliance, as you mentioned, and that's more dangerous. Even if you lynch him tonight, his buddies might be together and decently strong, but not overwhelming. Alliance size is the most important factor, and so you should lynch out of the largest alliance first.

Also, Tunkeg has been playing to avoid suspicion and appear weak. And for what it's worth, he's done a better job of it than me, though I haven't really been trying to appear weak. But my #1 goal is to get him lynched, and to get him lynched before his enormous alliance can take night actions, against you or against me or against anyone else. He's a tricky dude, and honestly people seem to actually believe his tripe (well, some people. could just be his ally-buddies so far). I think that without me to push him, he won't get lynched. That's basically it. You can say what you want about me, but say this: if I have one skill, it's getting money. And if I have two skills, it's getting money and tunneling someone.

Look at this push on Tunkeg and tell me that you can get him lynched without my fanaticism. Tell me that honestly, and if you really think that, AND you want to lynch the less tricky guy in the smaller alliance first, I think you need to play more intelligently. Tunkeg is the real threat here.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
August 15 2012 17:49 GMT
#439
Well if BH's alliance and Tunkeg's alliance want to wipe each other out, that's great for the rest of us. Best we can do is even the playing field for them and just let them duke it out?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
August 15 2012 18:06 GMT
#440
No, no that's a terrible idea and you're bad for suggesting it. It's in your interest to lynch both of us, not neither of us, and it's in your interest to lynch tunkeg first since he's slimier and his alliance is bigger and more dangerous.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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