Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules:
Cheating: Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. 2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. 6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host. 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. 8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts. 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. 10. Sharing accounts with other players unless cleared by the host in advance. Otherwise, only you may post on your account. 11. Breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role PM. Do not compare the phrasing in your role PM to prove your alignment. You can claim the abilities you have, but you can't use the specific phrasing of your role PM. Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.
Posting:
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Rules specific to this game are also shown in blue text in this thread.
Question Font: This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. Please do us a favor and read the rules before you ask anything.
Activity: You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be replaced.
Let this be your warning that I will replace for inactivity that falls under this rule. If you are obviously purposely trying to skirt around this requirement you will be replaced as well. If in doubt, PM me if you will have to be inactive for some time period that exceeds 24 hours. My goal is for no one to be replaced this game. To prove that you have read and understand this, please add "I will not be replaced" to your /in post. Any /in post that does not contain this phrase will not be counted.
Modkills will only occur under very extreme circumstances.
Smurfs:
On April 26 2011 13:22 mikeymoo wrote: Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts.
Spam: I don't care if you spam. If you think it will help you win, by all means go ahead. (this is within reasonable limit; if you, for example, create a script that floods the thread, then ofc your ass will be grass and I'll have the weedwhacker)
Editing: Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything.
Inappropriate posts: If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, Flamewheel, or Mig before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally.
Reporting posts: The report button is a nice feature for regular TL, but not for this forum. We prefer to deal with things in house if possible to avoid confusion among the TL staff. If you have a problem with how someone is posting, talk to the host, co-host, Flamewheel, or Mig before using your report button. Please do not use your report button for anything other than inappropriate posts which you feel are not being dealt with adequately.
Ban discussions: Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.
Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.
This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game.
You have been warned.
Out of thread communication:
It is common for mafia (and town circles if PMs are allowed) to use a medium outside of TL such as QuickTopics or IRC to communicate during the game. Please be mindful that other players may be more tech savvy than you and they may attempt impersonate members of your team or attempt to infiltrate your chat. You use these media at your own risk.
Voting rules:
1. Voting is done in this thread. Please keep votes here, and only vote here. Do not PM me your vote. 2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance. 3. No conditional voting. 4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. 5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first is lynched. 6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain. 7. Players may vote for a no-lynch by posting ##vote no-lynch. 8. This game runs on a plurality voting system. In other words, the person with the most votes will be lynched at the end of every day. In the case of a tie, everyone who is tied will be lynched.
Signups:
This game is open to anyone with preference for committed and active players. Signups will remain open until all 13 spots have been filled.
Game-specific rules:
Modkills: This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM Flamewheel or post in the Ban List.
Replacements This game uses replacements.
I will make exceptions only on the basis of extraordinary circumstances, but if you are replaced I will request for a 2 game ban. In such circumstances, it is the player's responsibility to find his or her own replacement and I will consider each individual on his or her own merits.
Clues:
There are no alignment-related clues, however the descriptions of civilizations have clues related to their powers.
PMs PMs are generally not allowed in this game unless otherwise specified. Specifically, there will be limited PMs during day 0: each player may choose one other player to PM (this request must be made directly to the hosts) and this PM ability ends if there is no sort of alliance between the two players at the end of d0. Alliance rules will be clarified under the section Alliances.
Time Cycle: This game will follow a 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 00:00 GMT (+00:00), but that is subject to change. Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after.
Drafting Phase:
The first phase of the game is the drafting phase. It will last 48 hours in total, and will be number picking and civilization picking simultaneously. You may also begin PMing players for alliances.
Essentially you will pick two numbers between 1 and 20 in the form of [M][N] and PM them to me along with a list of preference of civilizations, from greatest to least preference.
In other words if your #1 choice of civilization is the Mongols, you would place Mongols at #1 and your second choice at #2 and so on.
You will receive the highest priority civilization that was unpicked during the draft phase. Everyone will have a different civilization. The drafting order will be revealed, but each player's civilization will not be.
The draft order works like this. Every player will pick 2 numbers between 1-20 and PM me. Once I have everyone's selections I will reveal the draft order.
The first number closest to 1 that is picked will be first in the draft order. Of course that would be too easy so if several players pick the same # they ALL will be reset to last in the draft order. Then I would move on to the next lowest number (in this case 2) and the same rules apply. If no other player has picked the # 2 while someone else has, they will become first in the draft order. And so on until I get to #20.
Now the second # picked is used to determine who goes first in the event of players picking the same number. The lowest # of the second # goes first and so on. In the event players picked the same 2 numbers I will once again reset them to the back of the queue(for the order they are in).
Player A - [4][19] Player B - [1][12] Player C - [1][6] Player D - [7][8] Player E - [3][4] Player F - [7][8] Player G - [7][20]
Players B and C both picked 1. They go to the back of the queue. Player E is the next lowest # and the only one that picked 3. He/She goes first. Then player A since He/She is the only one to pick 4. Then Player D would have been next with 7 ahead of B and C, but Player's F and G also picked 7 so they both go behind Players B and C.
Current Order: Bolded players are locked into position.
Player E Player A Player B Player C Player D Player F Player G
Now I just resolve Players B, C, D,F and G. Between B and C, I look at the second #. B has a 12, C has a 6. So C gets to pick before B.
Current Order: Bolded players are locked into position.
Player E Player A Player C Player B Player D Player F
Now between D,F and G they all picked the same 1st numbers [7][?]. So I look at the second number to determine their order. Player G has a different number [7][20] whereas D and F both have [7][8]. Same rule as before and G gets to pick before D and F.
Player E Player A Player C Player B Player G Player D Player F
In the case of D and F I roll a dice to determine who goes first since they have the same 2 numbers. For arguments sake lets say F got a 1 and D got a 3 on a dice roll. F goes before D.
Player E Player A Player C Player B Player G Player F Player D
*note: There is a new rule in place. In the event that your first AND second numbers clash with another player you both go straight to the bottom of the order. So if 3 players picked [4][1], [4][1] and [4][7] the 2 players with [4][1] are bumped below the player that picked [4][7] along with the original bump. All in All the most unique number combination gets priority.
Remember once this phase is done you will know the draft order publicly. You just wont know who picked what and what roles got picked.
Once the drafting phase is over all civilizations will be assigned and the game progresses into an additional 24 hour alliance picking phase.
Alliances:
This game is very different from your normal game of mafia. In this game you may form alliances of up to four players. To form an alliance, by the end of d0 you must PM the host with your request of players to form an alliance with. The request MUST be mutual. If it is mutual, you will join in an alliance together. If there are any one-way requests, there will be no alliance between the two players. These alliances may be broken at any time, and if they are broken, you may not PM them or join forces any longer.
Your wincondition will be to eliminate all non-allied players, and if your alliance is broken, your former allies will be your enemies.
Only alliance requests during the 24 hour alliance picking phase will be accepted. PM requests will be accepted during the drafting phase, but alliance picking requests will be ignored.
Player A requests to be in an alliance with both players B and C.
Player B has requested to be in an alliance with both players A and C.
Player C has requested to be in an alliance with players A and D.
Player D has requested to be in an alliance with players B and C.
The alliances are as follows:
Player A is in two separate alliances with players B and C. He may consort with both players in PMs as he wishes. As long as both of these alliances exist, Player A wins when Player D is defeated, because he is not allied with Player D. He may join forces with Players B and C and even both (if they are also allied).
Player B is in an alliance with player A and no one else, as he has not requested to ally with Player D and player C has not requested to ally with him. Thus, as long as his alliance with Player A holds he wins when both Player C and Player D are defeated.
Player C is in an alliance with both Player A and Player D. He will win when Player B is defeated, as long as his alliances hold.
Player D is in an alliance with Player C but not with anyone else, because he has requested an alliance with Player B but the request was not mutual. As long as his alliance holds he will win when both Player A and Player B have been defeated.
Credits: Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer. Thanks to everyone who helped balance this game.
If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance.
This game has several complex game mechanics that are different from normal games. Because everyone has these basic abilities, it is imperative that everyone read these mechanics and rules carefully.
Players win when they have eliminated all others not in their own alliance.
For reference/dull reading, here's a link to some brief histories of the civilizations on Microsoft's website:
The basic game abilities function almost identically to how the game handles. This is an RTS game: thus, the heart of the game is resource gathering and unit production. This game will be no different. During each day, a player will be given two production choices (unless otherwise specified by a civilization-specific ability) that the player may use on one of several different possibilities:
1. Production of villagers, which will increase resource output per cycle (as the player assigns them). Villagers cost 50 food per batch of 3.
2. Production of military units, which include cavalry, archers, infantry, ships, and siege weapons. Costs are described below for batches (query for specifics via PM)
3. Research production, which may advance you to a new age (and thus give you access to stronger units) or strengthen your units. Blacksmith costs are described below. Age up is 800 f, 200 g to castle and 1000f, 800g to Imperial (unless affected by civilization bonuses). Age up will be announced during the nightpost for everyone.
4. Production of buildings or defenses, which may open new avenues to other types of production or research.
You may use your choice within a category (i.e. two choices toward military: archers and knights) Your production is limited by rate. Rate of production is simple:
1 batch of units per unit-producing building (i.e. if you have 1 archery range you can produce 1 batch of archers for a production cycle). If you build more buildings (i.e more archery ranges) you can produce more batches for one production choice, dependent on how many buildings you have.
Update: Trading:
You may tribute resources to an ally by specifying which resource and how much you want to send them along with your production PM. I will add the tally and the receiving player will be able to use the resources on the NEXT day, but the sending player will have his amount deducted on the SAME day.
Map Mechanics:
The maps are as follows:
Continental (land with rivers) Island (water) Arabia (arid land) Mediterranean (water and land) Black Forest (forested land) Arena (arid land, everyone starts with walls) Archipelago (water)
Each civilization has specific maps that favor it, as described in the civilization section.
On purely water maps such as island and archipelago, one must build ships before attacks on other players are possible. Transport ships will move units and warships can fight on water. Landing against an opponent requires you to be able to defeat their navy first.
On land and water hybrid maps continental and mediterranean, both water and land attacks are possible.
On land maps, you may choose to scout one opponent per day.
On Black Forest, players are spawned with forest surrounding them. Thus, they are given limited pathways (they may not attack all players directly.) They may move through adjacent allies. For example, at the beginning of the game a player may only be able to move north: he must defeat his northern enemy before being able to move further to attack other players. On the other hand he may also only be attacked from the north. Each player will be given a view of the map from his position at the beginning of the game for a Black Forest game. As he scouts and encounters pathways and enemies, the map will be updated. Scouting only works by giving the scout directions.
On water maps, you may scout using a fishing ship.
On any map that has water on it (except continental) you will start with a dock and can make ships immediately.
Game Start Mechanics:
When the game begins, you will be given a set of starting resources, a scout, and starting villagers, dependent on your civilization. You will also inherit the ability to produce cavalry, archers, and infantry (though to build infantry and siege weapons you will need to age up and/or build a building)
Resource gathering: you will begin with 8 sheep which have 100 food each. Once these run out you have to build farms (which cost 60 wood) but will have unlimited food. You may only put ONE villager per farm. Stone cannot be gathered. Gold and wood are both unlimited and gather at 100 per day per villager.
You will begin in the Feudal Age and you can age up to Castle and Imperial for 800 f, 200 g and 1000 f, 800 g, respectively. These age-ups count as research production (but you may not produce villagers unless you have an extra town center)
Unit Mechanics
Every civilization can produce basic units. Basic unit stats can be modified by upgrades and civilization bonuses.
Units are created in batches. (thus you will not get 1 individual unit for a production batch, you'll get between 2 and 10 depending on the expense of the unit; things like elephants will come out in 3s while knights will come out in 5, spears in 10s, etc. This is to make the battles more exciting).
Standard rules:
Unique units as described in PMs. All non elephant cavalry in batches of 5. All foot units in 10s. All siege units in 2s. (rams, mangonels, trebuchets; 160w 75 g, 160 w 135 g, 200 w 200 g respectively)
Unit stats follow the basics from Age of Empires 2. For reference, they are provided here (for most units):
Note: All ranged units use piercing attack. All melee use normal attack. Ar/PAr stats refer to armor and piercing armor, respectively. Armor reduces damage from normal attacks and piercing armor reduces damage from ranged attacks. Blacksmith upgrades are as follows. The first upgrade is initially available, and each upgrade afterward requires age-up to Castle and Imperial Age. Not all upgrades are available for all civilizations. Armor for cavalry: first upgrade +1/1 Ar/PAr. Cost 150 f. second upgrade +1/+1 Ar/PAr. Cost 250f, 150 g. Third upgrade +1 Ar/+2 PAr. Cost 300 f, 225 g. Armor for infantry: first upgrade +1/1 Ar/Par. Cost 100 f. second upgrade +1/+1 Ar/PAr. Cost 200f, 100 g. Third upgrade +1 Ar/+2 PAr. Cost 300 f, 150 g. Armor for archers: first upgrade +1/1 Ar/Par. Cost 100 f. second upgrade +1/+1 Ar/PAr. Cost 150f, 150 g. Third upgrade +1 Ar/+2 PAr. Cost 250 f, 250 g. Attack for melee units: first upgrade +1 Atk. Cost 150 f. second upgrade +1 Atk. Cost 220f, 120 g. Third upgrade +2 Atk. Cost 275 f, 225 g. Attack/range for archers/ships: first upgrade +1 Atk, +1 range. Cost: 100 f, 50 g. second upgrade +1 Atk, +1 range. Cost: 200 f, 100g. third upgrade: +1 atk, +1 range. Cost: 300 f, 200 g.
If there are two values listed (A/B) then the first value is the stat for the base unit and the second is for the upgraded version.
Combat is resolved in-game between myself and my cohost. Thus, if you attack another player, we will take video of the battle and show it to you via PM, and then also give you the result.
Day Mechanics:
During the day is when production occurs. By the end of the day you must PM me with any changes to production. You must allocate your villagers to resources (food, wood, gold) and you must send me two production choices (more if specified). At the beginning of the night phase, if you are still alive, you will be told how many units were produced and what your stockpiles are. Day powers can be used as specified.
note:everyone has limited stone. You may use it for walls or town centers but not both. Walls protect from one attack and then are immediately destroyed (preventing loss of units). Town centers are built in castle age and increase villager production..
Everyone may discuss and vote in-thread as is normal per mafia. The highest vote-receiver will immediately cease to exist and will lose the game (unless his alliance, if any exists, fulfills his win condition later)
Night Mechanics:
Night is when attacks occur. You may choose to attack another player with at least half of your units. If you don't specify the amount, the assumption will be that all of them are used. You may also choose to do nothing, which is equivalent to defending yourself from attacks.
You may reinforce an ally by sending troops to him (again, need to send at least half of your units)
If you attack someone during the night phase you are vulnerable to attacks from other players. In other words, if other players attack you, you will defend with whatever troops you left behind and nothing more (unless you have defensive fortifications)
Attacks will be resolved in the following order:
If there are walls, they are immediately destroyed. The attack then ends.
If there are no walls, then the fighting proceeds between army and army. Fighting ends when one army is vanquished. Neither player is removed from the game.
If the defenses are negligible and the attacker possesses enough melee units or siege weapons to destroy the enemy's town, the attacker will do so and the defender will cease to exist.
Special night powers function as described in civilization-specific PMs and can usually be used in conjunction with an attack.
The British pride themselves on their archers. Strengths: Archers, efficient food production, continental and island maps Unique Unit: Longbowman, archer with long range.
Byzantines
The Byzantines are renowned for their strong fortifications and strong cavalry. Strengths: Cavalry, defense, lategame, arid and Mediterranean maps Unique Unit: Cataphract, heavy cavalry adept at killing infantry.
Celts
The Celts are known for their ferocity in battle, in particular, the speed of their troops. Strengths: infantry, efficient wood collection, Continental and black forest maps Unique Unit: Woad Raider, very fast infantry unit.
Chinese:
The Chinese are technologically advanced and possess an enormous population. Strengths: efficient research, high population, early-game, continental maps. Unique Unit: Chu-ko-nu, crossbowman that fires multiple arrows at once
Franks
The noble Franks are notorious for their well trained knights. Strengths: Knights, efficient food production, continental maps Unique Unit: Throwing Axeman, an infantry unit with a short range. (does melee damage)
Goths
The militaristic Goths can overcome any adversary with their rapid production of troops. Strengths: rapid and efficient infantry production, continental and black forest maps. Unique Unit: Huskarl, a strong anti-archer infantry.
Japanese:
The Japanese are renowned for their emphasis on honor. Strengths: water maps, fishing, infantry Unique Unit: Samurai, an infantry unit with an attack bonus against other unique units
Mongols:
The Mongols are the conquerors from the East. Strengths: land maps, food production, scouting, speed, conquering ability Unique Unit: Mangudai, cavalry archer with an attack bonus against siege weapons.
Persians
The Persians are a cultured and rich civilization. Strengths: early game, arid/mediterannean maps, heavy cavalry, economic production War Elephant: high HP, heavily armored behemoth that tramples units all around it
Saracens
The Saracens are renowned for their traders and diplomacy. Strengths: camels (cavalry strong against other cavalry), arid and mediterranean maps, trade and diplomacy Unique Unit: Mameluke, a mounted camel that can attack from range (with melee attack)
Teutons:
The Teutons are known for their hardiness. Strengths: continental/forest maps, infantry, monks, defense Unique Unit: Teutonic Knight, a very heavily armored and hard-hitting, but slow infantry unit
Turks
The Turks are known for their zealotry and fervor. Strengths: offense, gold production, arid/meditereannean maps, gunpowder Unique Unit: Janissary, a hand cannoneer with decent range and high attack, particularly against infantry
Vikings:
The Vikings are feared for their fierceness and brutality. Strengths: water maps, warships, infantry Unique Units: Berserk, an infantry unit that regenerates its own health over time Longboat: warship that fires multiple arrows at its enemies
Signups will persist for 48 hours after the game is full so that people have ample time to read the thread and understand everything, and so that in the case of popular demand, those who weren't fast enough get a chance to play.
As in my previous games, if there are more than 13 signups, first I will take those who are not playing in other games followed by a random determination. Those who aren't taken will be put on the replacement list.
Signup List:
Tentative Pool of Players:
1 Blazinghand 2 rastaban 3 Sir Posts a Lot 4 5 Atki Wiglegs 6 ItsMarvelBabyyy 7 LifeAquatic 8 MrZentor 9 Fulblade 10 Tunkeg 11 [UoN]Sentinel 12 Sinensis 13 EchelonTee
Confirmed Final List:
1 Blazinghand (Byzantines) 2 rastaban (Celts) 3 Sir Posts a Lot (Teutons) 4 Bill Murray 5 Atki Wiglegs (Mongols) 6 ItsMarvelBabyyy 7 s0lstice 8 MrZentor (Turks) 9 Fulblade 10 Tunkeg (Franks) 11 [UoN]Sentinel 12 Sinensis (Persians) 13 EchelonTee
Okay, this looks awesome. It's not really Mafia in the sense of "informed minority vs uninformed majority" sort of thing, but it's more like... maximally multifactional mafia with interesting night mechanics, politics, and alliances.
Combat is resolved in-game between myself and my cohost. Thus, if you attack another player, we will take video of the battle and show it to you via PM, and then also give you the result.
Combat is resolved in-game between myself and my cohost. Thus, if you attack another player, we will take video of the battle and show it to you via PM, and then also give you the result.
Really
yep :p
We won't really be controlling anything (besides making the armies attack each other) so it'll come down to numbers and stats.
On July 25 2012 07:21 marvellosity wrote: if you wanna hydra BH, gimme a shout
I think I'll fly solo this game, thanks though. If you don't have time to /in on your own, then I'd be okay with it, but I won't need any help staying active I think <3
Are there mafia and town factions this game? There are normal lynch mechanics that seem to imply so
Unless it's just a way for the "community" of people to get rid of the strongest guy without attacking him or something?
EDIT: I haven't played AoE in a long time, and that spreadsheet with unit stats and stuff is confusing as hell Wouldn't it be easier to link to a AoE 2 official guide that has all that info? Or at least make a google doc spreadsheet or something
On July 25 2012 08:09 gonzaw wrote: Are there mafia and town factions this game? There are normal lynch mechanics that seem to imply so
Unless it's just a way for the "community" of people to get rid of the strongest guy without attacking him or something?
EDIT: I haven't played AoE in a long time, and that spreadsheet with unit stats and stuff is confusing as hell Wouldn't it be easier to link to a AoE 2 official guide that has all that info? Or at least make a google doc spreadsheet or something
There isn't a set mafia/town faction. There's no "town" basically, it's just "create your own faction" type of thing.
I looked, and I wasn't able to find anything (at least not easily) Civ info is easy to find but unit-related stuff is harder.
On July 25 2012 09:23 rastaban wrote: /in How do resources work. Are the villagers designated to a certain resource split each evening?
yeah so each villager gathers at a base rate of 100/resource, modified by civ bonuses (if any). You have to allocate them yourself during the day phase.
On July 26 2012 05:59 rastaban wrote: What exactly is hydraing, is it where two people play the same role in a faction game?
2 people play on 1 account, so 1 role. I have no idea what is going on in AOE but the setup looks so damn interesting, so I think I would be worthless by myself. Therefore I asked Gonzaw if he would let me play alongside him.
On July 26 2012 05:59 rastaban wrote: What exactly is hydraing, is it where two people play the same role in a faction game?
2 people play on 1 account, so 1 role. I have no idea what is going on in AOE but the setup looks so damn interesting, so I think I would be worthless by myself. Therefore I asked Gonzaw if he would let me play alongside him.
I don't know much about AoE either I think I only played AoE 2 a couple of times doing some shit, so I know the basics, but I know 0 strategies and stuff since I never even played the story campaigns till the end or anything .
But meh I'm sure both of us can figure something out At worst we'll be worthless and people will have pity on us and let us live until the end of the game
On July 26 2012 05:59 rastaban wrote: What exactly is hydraing, is it where two people play the same role in a faction game?
2 people play on 1 account, so 1 role. I have no idea what is going on in AOE but the setup looks so damn interesting, so I think I would be worthless by myself. Therefore I asked Gonzaw if he would let me play alongside him.
I don't know much about AoE either I think I only played AoE 2 a couple of times doing some shit, so I know the basics, but I know 0 strategies and stuff since I never even played the story campaigns till the end or anything .
But meh I'm sure both of us can figure something out At worst we'll be worthless and people will have pity on us and let us live until the end of the game
What happens when a player wins? Say there's three players left, A, B, and C. A is allied to both B and C. B and C are not allied to each other. That means player A has 'won'. So, does he just get removed, or does he get to keep playing after he's won, or how does that work?
Can I break the game by having everyone ally with everyone else at the beginning of the game and start some kind of happy commune?
On July 27 2012 01:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Hmmmm, I might need to sign up for this.
Questions:
What happens when a player wins? Say there's three players left, A, B, and C. A is allied to both B and C. B and C are not allied to each other. That means player A has 'won'. So, does he just get removed, or does he get to keep playing after he's won, or how does that work?
Can I break the game by having everyone ally with everyone else at the beginning of the game and start some kind of happy commune?
On July 27 2012 01:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Hmmmm, I might need to sign up for this.
Questions:
What happens when a player wins? Say there's three players left, A, B, and C. A is allied to both B and C. B and C are not allied to each other. That means player A has 'won'. So, does he just get removed, or does he get to keep playing after he's won, or how does that work?
Can I break the game by having everyone ally with everyone else at the beginning of the game and start some kind of happy commune?
Remember alliances are capped at 4 players, so that would be impossible.
However, the game will end immediately after a player achieves his wincondition. If multiple players (e.g. Same alliance) achieve that win condition then they all win.
On July 27 2012 01:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Hmmmm, I might need to sign up for this.
Questions:
What happens when a player wins? Say there's three players left, A, B, and C. A is allied to both B and C. B and C are not allied to each other. That means player A has 'won'. So, does he just get removed, or does he get to keep playing after he's won, or how does that work?
Can I break the game by having everyone ally with everyone else at the beginning of the game and start some kind of happy commune?
Remember alliances are capped at 4 players, so that would be impossible.
However, the game will end immediately after a player achieves his wincondition. If multiple players (e.g. Same alliance) achieve that win condition then they all win.
Ok, when you say alliances are capped at four people, does that mean I can only have four people in every mutual alliance, or that I can only ally myself to four people in total?
On July 27 2012 01:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Hmmmm, I might need to sign up for this.
Questions:
What happens when a player wins? Say there's three players left, A, B, and C. A is allied to both B and C. B and C are not allied to each other. That means player A has 'won'. So, does he just get removed, or does he get to keep playing after he's won, or how does that work?
Can I break the game by having everyone ally with everyone else at the beginning of the game and start some kind of happy commune?
Remember alliances are capped at 4 players, so that would be impossible.
However, the game will end immediately after a player achieves his wincondition. If multiple players (e.g. Same alliance) achieve that win condition then they all win.
Ok, when you say alliances are capped at four people, does that mean I can only have four people in every mutual alliance, or that I can only ally myself to four people in total?
You can make 3 requests. Every request that is reciprocated becomes an alliance between the consenters.
You can make larger alliances basically if all members have mutual requests among each other, but that is likewise capped at 4 (because of the request limit)
If you have 5 players:
A B C D E
and A is allied to B and C is allied to A, then A has to kill both D and E whereas B has to kill C, D, E and C has to kill B, D, E.
In other words you may have to kill the ally of an ally in order to fulfill your win condition (and this may result in them turning on you! who knows...
It sounds like a mix of diplomacy, age of empires and mafia and waaaayyyyyy too complicated for me to /in at this time, despite it sounding awesome.
Good luck and if you need a replacement sometime in the middle of next week, hit me up (because nobody ever pays any attention to your /in warning stuff)!
Reminds me of the old I think it was called "Shimo" games where you played Regicide on a giant map and allies were not locked and had to use diplomacy/trickery to try and win. Was sad that it never truly caught on
Also as for strategies, I haven't played it in so many years but from what I can tell none of the normal ones would work for this game. Finding and controlling resources, especially early on was very key, here that doesn't apply as you have unlimited "resources" available and they all mine at a default rate (100)
With the way combat works though I would recommend shying away from from horse archers of any kind in general as they were mainly kiting units which won't apply here.
WBG, when we send our forces or defend can we give rough formations like Pikemen in front and archers behind before the attack move or will it be random?
On July 27 2012 22:15 rastaban wrote: WBG, when we send our forces or defend can we give rough formations like Pikemen in front and archers behind before the attack move or will it be random?
yeah I'll be doing it logically but if you have specific instructions you can give them to me.
This game will require thought and careful planning. There are so many different mechanics that playing without time is risking not knowing what is happening. Especially with PMs. Thanks but no thanks.
On July 30 2012 16:04 Probulous wrote: This game will require thought and careful planning. There are so many different mechanics that playing without time is risking not knowing what is happening. Especially with PMs. Thanks but no thanks.
Yeah about that... ...don't expect most of us to do that >_>
About PMs...well, each guy can only PM 1 guy if he's allied to him, so I don't see how PMs will do much good other than allied guys planning stuff together. If that's the case my allied guy can do all the thinking
Although it's kind of weird lol. Imagine there are 4 guys all allied with each other....they still have one-way PMs If A can PM to B, B can PM to C, C can PM to D, and D can PM to C; then for A to tell C something he has to PM B/D about it first That could be troublesome >_>
Although I can see all the backstabbing going behind in those types of alliances with that kind of PM mechanics
EDIT: Meh, at worst I'll let Mattchew do all the work >_>
On July 30 2012 16:04 Probulous wrote: This game will require thought and careful planning. There are so many different mechanics that playing without time is risking not knowing what is happening. Especially with PMs. Thanks but no thanks.
Or people will just mass priest and convert armies :D
On July 30 2012 04:03 Blazinghand wrote: BM and solstice seem like they want to hydra together but are coyly dancing around the topic like first-time lovers. <3
I will do a brief comeback for this as AoK and AoC is one of my all time favorite games.
I will not be replaced. I will not be modkilled. I will not get myself voted off. Heck I won't even be pissed off this game. I will just crush all of you with my superior army! You have been warned!
On August 02 2012 06:43 Tunkeg wrote: I will do a brief comeback for this as AoK and AoC is one of my all time favorite games.
I will not be replaced. I will not be modkilled. I will not get myself voted off. Heck I won't even be pissed off this game. I will just crush all of you with my superior army! You have been warned!
/in
##Lynch Tunkeg on Day 1
Hmm, actually, maybe we should make a poll about who knows the most about AoE, just for information's sake, nothing else....I swear >_> ....really <_<
EDIT: This game will be very interesting.
If you somehow become the most "powerful" player out there (or the most powerful alliance) you'll instantly die because of people voting you. But if you purposefully stay weak so people don't vote you someone stronger can kill you by attacking you. So what to do? lol this seems more like the real "Liar Game" game than anything
I also take it it will be like the Chicken game early right? Like nobody does shit fearing everybody will wagon and lynch them In this game if you are lynched you lose (not taking into account alliances), which is different than a normal game where your faction can still win even if you get lynched.
On August 02 2012 06:43 Tunkeg wrote: I will do a brief comeback for this as AoK and AoC is one of my all time favorite games.
I will not be replaced. I will not be modkilled. I will not get myself voted off. Heck I won't even be pissed off this game. I will just crush all of you with my superior army! You have been warned!
/in
##Lynch Tunkeg on Day 1
Hmm, actually, maybe we should make a poll about who knows the most about AoE, just for information's sake, nothing else....I swear >_> ....really <_<
EDIT: This game will be very interesting.
If you somehow become the most "powerful" player out there (or the most powerful alliance) you'll instantly die because of people voting you. But if you purposefully stay weak so people don't vote you someone stronger can kill you by attacking you. So what to do? lol this seems more like the real "Liar Game" game than anything
I also take it it will be like the Chicken game early right? Like nobody does shit fearing everybody will wagon and lynch them In this game if you are lynched you lose (not taking into account alliances), which is different than a normal game where your faction can still win even if you get lynched.
The Risen half of this account is banned for a week. Going to have to /out and /in again after the ban wears off if this hasn't started. Note kids, don't be a dick to trolls >.<
On August 02 2012 14:24 ItsMarvelBabyyy wrote: The Risen half of this account is banned for a week. Going to have to /out and /in again after the ban wears off if this hasn't started. Note kids, don't be a dick to trolls >.<
you're fine, just make sure he doesn't log onto it unless he has permission or after the ban.
Game will start when it's full (probably sometime next week). I'm currently in the middle of finals so I don't have a huge amount of time.
e: Finals end on Thurs next week and I imagine the game will have started before then.
if you /inned and I didn't include you in the OP let me know.
currently 3 slots are open. I doubt this will be a problem (as they are likely to fill up in the upcoming days) but if any of those 3 slots are still open in a week's time I'm going to ask a hydra to disband.
It isn't, and thats what so great about it. No need to justify anything to town. It is just me, my allies and my kickass army rolling over the rest. Mmmmmm, gotta love that.
It isn't, and thats what so great about it. No need to justify anything to town. It is just me, my allies and my kickass army rolling over the rest. Mmmmmm, gotta love that.
yeah but I'm a big fan of convincing people to kill people.
Yeah but it's not about informed minority vs uninformed majority, the core conflict of mafia. This game is only loosely a game of mafia, it's more like... a mafia-esque game. Fun, though! Just not Palmar's bucket of oysters, so to speak.
Lvdr, I'd recommend playing through a newbie game before trying this out, unless you've played forum mafia before. This is a pretty complex and unusual ruleset. That being said, I won't discourage you if you feel like you'll be able to be active, understand the rules, and help provide a fun play experience. Just a heads-up.
Does having 13 or 12 change the game or something?
Also, will you include a map of the lands once the game starts? I know I didn't ask this before, but I assume different players start on different lands right? (or could potentially start in different lands).
Or is the map a single one for everybody at the same time?
Well meh, I guess I'll find out soon enough anyways :/
nah the 13 or 12 thing isn't going to change anything.
The layout of the map will only come into play if you guys choose Black Forest. All other maps it's basically just to determine water/land, mechanics/bonuses and if you can build ships, use them etc.
I.E. if you pick a land map (that isn't BF) you will only be able to use land units. If you pick an island map you have to build ships to move your units against someone (but you can attack anyone)
BF is special because you're given a map to begin with, and paths. You'll be given a picture of it at the beginning of the game and I'll do my best to evolve it over time for you as you discover things.
I think even with ET we have room for one more. It's been quite the wait but I'm excited. I'd offer cohost but I lost my AoE cd some time ago-- I'll have to stick to playing and enjoying this awesome setup.
Are there any elements of trading in the game? I'm trying to think up interesting diplomatic situations. Is map type random or by draft/vote? If I understand correctly, except the forest map, you can attack any civ in sight regardless of distance? Is there allied shared vision? Can I attack lands my allies have scouted? Can allies protect each other by garrisoning troops in other cities?
On August 10 2012 11:58 EchelonTee wrote: Are there any elements of trading in the game? I'm trying to think up interesting diplomatic situations.
oh fuck, good catch. I forgot to include that in the OP.
You can trade resources freely between allies during the day (they receive them for use for the NEXT day cycle, but you lose the resources immediately) Basically you just set X amount to send during the day with your production PM.
Saracens are a good civ choice if you like trading mechanics.
Is map type random or by draft/vote?
It's by vote, details are in the OP about what happens d0.
If I understand correctly, except the forest map, you can attack any civ in sight regardless of distance?
Yeah.
You can scout one player per day (unless otherwise specified in your civ PM) and this will tell you what they have (as a means of not having to attack blindly, so it encourages players to plan their attacks). Players are not informed if they have been scouted.
Then at night you can attack ANYONE on a land map (other than Black Forest) and anyone on a water map as long as you have sufficient ability to do so (i.e. the right ships)
Is there allied shared vision? Can I attack lands my allies have scouted? Can allies protect each other by garrisoning troops in other cities?
If an ally scouts someone only they will receive the report but they are welcome to share the report with you.
You can choose to attack by moving through your ally's territory on Black Forest (you can attack via any scouted path basically as long as there's no enemy blocking it) On Black Forest you'll know where your allies start and the map will be updated for all of you identically.
You can choose to combine your forces with your ally's on water maps (e.g. put your stuff in their transports) but it needs to be mutually agreed upon.
You can defend an ally for a night by sending troops to them in place of an attack action.
Updated the general game mechanics post with this:
Update: Trading:
You may tribute resources to an ally by specifying which resource and how much you want to send them along with your production PM. I will add the tally and the receiving player will be able to use the resources on the NEXT day, but the sending player will have his amount deducted on the SAME day.
Thanks to ET for pointing that out.
Austinmcc is replacing Meapak_Ziphh as cohost. Hassybaby is still cohosting as well. Game will begin tomorrow at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). A generic PM will be sent at that time to all players in the game to remind them that the drafting/map picking phase (d0) has begun.
On August 10 2012 21:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Wait is Black Forest the only one where we get pictures of the map?
Seems kinda hard to play without knowing where we are.
Black forest is the only one that matters since you have limited attack/defence routes. On the other maps anyone can attack anyone else as there is no specified routes.
On August 10 2012 21:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Wait is Black Forest the only one where we get pictures of the map?
Seems kinda hard to play without knowing where we are.
Black forest is the only one that matters since you have limited attack/defence routes. On the other maps anyone can attack anyone else as there is no specified routes.
You're in the game lobby! Taunt spamming can be fun, but let's not make it so people are forced to !mute each other.
D0 has begun. This is the drafting, civilization picking, and map picking phase. You may also begin alliance formations by PMing me ONE player you wish to PM with. This PM ability will end in 74 hours unless the alliance is kept upon day 1 starting.
Drafting phase ends in roughly 50 hours at 00:00 GMT (+00:00) on Sunday, 12th August. If you have any questions, please direct them to me via PM (you may also ask in thread but chances are I will reply faster if you simply PM me).
On August 11 2012 07:08 Tunkeg wrote: Anyone who want to win should consider an alliance with me. If not prepared to get roflstomped.
Only scum would say that
##Vote: Tunkeg
P.S: I have no idea what we should discuss in the thread anyways. There's no motivation to do so either so I guess I'll shut up until something interesting comes up. I guess I could ask people to give me tips on what civilization to choose
btw in celebration of the start of the game I'm currently hosting an 8 player lobby for The Conquerors. You need the expansion. 1.0c patch, PM me for IP details if interested in joining.
I'll keep it up for about an hour and then launch a game with anyone who joined :p
On August 11 2012 07:08 Tunkeg wrote: Anyone who want to win should consider an alliance with me. If not prepared to get roflstomped.
Only scum would say that
##Vote: Tunkeg
P.S: I have no idea what we should discuss in the thread anyways. There's no motivation to do so either so I guess I'll shut up until something interesting comes up. I guess I could ask people to give me tips on what civilization to choose
Just to be clear there is no lynch until d1, which is not for another 74 hours.
My only hint for you is that, you are the person besides me in this game who really appreciates what a great sim game AoE is. If you think about it, a sim game that's unlike civ (with it's capitals, etc) is a great sim. Not a lot of people played it!
I didn't play AoE. I don't know what I'm talking about.
Also if you turn me down, I get it. I'm just sad. Sorry for the triple post, got to go, I don't post much anyways, there's no secret guy, but there is, and I know, and you know, and this should have told you but it didn't...
Will alliances be posted in the thread once D0 ends? As in, something like "Player X was allied to Y,Z,W and T", etc?
Also, is this single ally we can get this Drafting Phase count for the Alliance stage? As in, if I ally with somebody right now, can I get 4 or 5 total allies after D0?
Anyways, I think this is the ONLY part of the game were we don't want to kill each other since we have no Alliances going on, so maybe we could chat or something.
Also I need to have my 20-page-filter thing by the end of this game, so I need to post about something
On August 11 2012 07:25 Sir Posts A Lot wrote: Ehmm, I kind of forgot about something:
Will alliances be posted in the thread once D0 ends? As in, something like "Player X was allied to Y,Z,W and T", etc?
Also, is this single ally we can get this Drafting Phase count for the Alliance stage? As in, if I ally with somebody right now, can I get 4 or 5 total allies after D0?
Anyways, I think this is the ONLY part of the game were we don't want to kill each other since we have no Alliances going on, so maybe we could chat or something.
Also I need to have my 20-page-filter thing by the end of this game, so I need to post about something
Alliances are not publicly announced.
There are no ally requests right now, only PM requests. Alliance making doesn't begin until after the drafting phase is over (once everyone has received their civilizations and once the map has been determined)
During alliance phase you can pick up to THREE names to PM me. These are alliance requests. If any of your requests mutually send requests to you, you will be allied with those who did.
Well, we could discuss the setup amiably. There's nothing much else to discuss since factions aren't made yet (as far as you know! Secret buddy might have allied me back!). I personally think the lynch is mostly going to be a tool used by multiple alliances and stragglers against whichever alliance is the strongest, or if one player starts to run away with the game. If you think about it, in like a 4-team game where each team has 3 players, if someone starts a wagon on a guy, everyone who's not on his team might as well vote for him.
I don't see any real benefit to a no-lynch. It makes sense to use the lynch to stop the strongest players in terms of night (armies, etc) since all the votes can get behind that, but even if we don't, it's almost always a good idea to use the lynch.
So if anyone want to have a talk with me give WBG a shout and lets get this game going. You can also give me a hint in thread and perhaps I will pick it up.
On August 11 2012 07:25 Sir Posts A Lot wrote: Ehmm, I kind of forgot about something:
Will alliances be posted in the thread once D0 ends? As in, something like "Player X was allied to Y,Z,W and T", etc?
Also, is this single ally we can get this Drafting Phase count for the Alliance stage? As in, if I ally with somebody right now, can I get 4 or 5 total allies after D0?
Anyways, I think this is the ONLY part of the game were we don't want to kill each other since we have no Alliances going on, so maybe we could chat or something.
Also I need to have my 20-page-filter thing by the end of this game, so I need to post about something
Alliances are not publicly announced.
There are no ally requests right now, only PM requests. Alliance making doesn't begin until after the drafting phase is over (once everyone has received their civilizations and once the map has been determined)
During alliance phase you can pick up to THREE names to PM me. These are alliance requests. If any of your requests mutually send requests to you, you will be allied with those who did.
So if I don't send any PM request this Drafting Phase, I still have to send 3 alliances requests on the Alliance Phase instead of 4?
Also...ehmm....what was the difference between "PM request" and "Alliance request" again? >_>
On August 11 2012 07:29 Blazinghand wrote: Well, we could discuss the setup amiably. There's nothing much else to discuss since factions aren't made yet (as far as you know! Secret buddy might have allied me back!). I personally think the lynch is mostly going to be a tool used by multiple alliances and stragglers against whichever alliance is the strongest, or if one player starts to run away with the game. If you think about it, in like a 4-team game where each team has 3 players, if someone starts a wagon on a guy, everyone who's not on his team might as well vote for him.
I don't see any real benefit to a no-lynch. It makes sense to use the lynch to stop the strongest players in terms of night (armies, etc) since all the votes can get behind that, but even if we don't, it's almost always a good idea to use the lynch.
Going for a no-lynch is risky as a single vote is enough to get someone lynched, as it is plurality vote system. So there will be a lynch every day.
The hardest part of this game will actually be to decide whether the guys in your alliance is true to the alliance or if they are allied with someother who they rather would win with. There is a big chance that we end up with alot of broken alliances in this game.
On August 11 2012 07:25 Sir Posts A Lot wrote: Ehmm, I kind of forgot about something:
Will alliances be posted in the thread once D0 ends? As in, something like "Player X was allied to Y,Z,W and T", etc?
Also, is this single ally we can get this Drafting Phase count for the Alliance stage? As in, if I ally with somebody right now, can I get 4 or 5 total allies after D0?
Anyways, I think this is the ONLY part of the game were we don't want to kill each other since we have no Alliances going on, so maybe we could chat or something.
Also I need to have my 20-page-filter thing by the end of this game, so I need to post about something
Alliances are not publicly announced.
There are no ally requests right now, only PM requests. Alliance making doesn't begin until after the drafting phase is over (once everyone has received their civilizations and once the map has been determined)
During alliance phase you can pick up to THREE names to PM me. These are alliance requests. If any of your requests mutually send requests to you, you will be allied with those who did.
So if I don't send any PM request this Drafting Phase, I still have to send 3 alliances requests on the Alliance Phase instead of 4?
Also...ehmm....what was the difference between "PM request" and "Alliance request" again? >_>
PM requests are just that. You can use PMs to talk to someone in PMs, whether it be about potential alliance partners, civilizations, strategies, whatever the hell you want to talk about. (this becomes more relevant when you actually have a civilization and a map)
Alliance requests are completely separate. They're just an offer of an alliance. You can choose to PM with someone who you ultimately don't request for an alliance. You can only talk to a person you requested an alliance for if they request you too (and only once d1 begins)
This separation is so that it's difficult to form larger alliances (you're forced to play a game of telephone or publicly advertise) but good communication skill is rewarded with the potential for more power through a four player alliance.
EDIT:
Also you don't have to send any alliance requests at all if you don't wish. If you wish to play alone you may do so. If you only want to request to be the ally of one other player, you may do so. You may request up to three other players.
During this time you may ONLY request one player to PM with, however. This PM request is NOT a request of alliance.
Black Forest map seems to be the most "chancy"; if you don't spawn near your allies, consider yourself dead. I'd recommend not voting for that unless you feel like spinning the wheel of fortune.
Water maps seem to favor certain civs more through undisclosed civ specific mechanics. Once again, unless you and several of your allies manage to snag the sea nations, you could be put at a large disadvtage.
Maps with both land and water, in my opinion, are the most balanced maps. Civs with strong sea or land units can take advantage of their abilities. Therefore, I will be voting for mediterranean. Am I trying to sway votes to a map choice that I would prefer? Of course, I do enjoy winning. But unless you can get a band of people you can trust to form some a wombo combo strat (all seafaring nations in an alliance), it's best for all of us to pick one of the more stable map choices.
Lastly, let me have Saracen and I will gib you gold.
Actually, if hydras could make their sigs like "hydra of john and bob" or whatever that'd be the best.
Also meditteranean is for losers, and i'm not a loser. This is a unique and fun game, and you're gonna walk down the middle of the road like that? way to be l4m3
On August 11 2012 07:47 EchelonTee wrote: Are attacks announced in a separate thread, or only revealed with the next day post? Can you list who is who in the hydras, in the OP?
Attacks are only revealed if they result in the destruction of a player. Even so, however, they will only reveal the destruction of the player and not the responsible attacker. The player's civilization will be revealed. (basically like a normal mafia death) "Lynches" work identically except players don't commit units, just votes.
Atki Wiglegs: kitaman27 and MrWiggles hydra ItsMarvelBabyyy: marvellosity and Risen hydra Sir Posts a Lot: Mattchew and gonzaw hydra.
On August 11 2012 07:46 EchelonTee wrote: Regarding maps:
Black Forest map seems to be the most "chancy"; if you don't spawn near your allies, consider yourself dead. I'd recommend not voting for that unless you feel like spinning the wheel of fortune.
Water maps seem to favor certain civs more through undisclosed civ specific mechanics. Once again, unless you and several of your allies manage to snag the sea nations, you could be put at a large disadvtage.
Maps with both land and water, in my opinion, are the most balanced maps. Civs with strong sea or land units can take advantage of their abilities. Therefore, I will be voting for mediterranean. Am I trying to sway votes to a map choice that I would prefer? Of course, I do enjoy winning. But unless you can get a band of people you can trust to form some a wombo combo strat (all seafaring nations in an alliance), it's best for all of us to pick one of the more stable map choices.
Lastly, let me have Saracen and I will gib you gold.
Well if you want a completely straight forward game a land map is preferred. But this game would be better with some chaos, some chance, knowing that you don't have an ally near you might force you to play more defensive, or may force you to attack a player earlier then planned to connect with an ally. The Black Forrest map provide for some epic action!
Also this might leave the guys not in my alliance a chance not to get as easily stomped as on a straight forward map. I am just wondering who will be the first to want to be my PM buddy, and have me reveal my awesome strat to winning this game. Clock is ticking guys...
I am Sir Atki Wiglegs, and this is an announcement that I am now accepting PMs from all eligible suitors who wish to begin the courting process.
As well, I wish to communicate that this talk of map selection is most likely simple posturing for advantage. If I were to tell you I would like to play on the island map, one could easily infer that I had the plan of choosing a sea-faring civilization. The same applies to other maps that favour certain civilizations. EchelonTee's last post is simply an example of this. Look at how he makes arguments for why the Mediterranean map would be best for everyone. Then look at his choice of civilization, Saracen.
Saracens
The Saracens are renowned for their traders and diplomacy. Strengths: camels (cavalry strong against other cavalry), arid and mediterranean maps, trade and diplomacy Unique Unit: Mameluke, a mounted camel that can attack from range (with melee attack)
On August 11 2012 07:54 Atki Wiglegs wrote: Dear friends,
I am Sir Atki Wiglegs, and this is an announcement that I am now accepting PMs from all eligible suitors who wish to begin the courting process.
As well, I wish to communicate that this talk of map selection is most likely simple posturing for advantage. If I were to tell you I would like to play on the island map, one could easily infer that I had the plan of choosing a sea-faring civilization. The same applies to other maps that favour certain civilizations. EchelonTee's last post is simply an example of this. Look at how he makes arguments for why the Mediterranean map would be best for everyone. Then look at his choice of civilization, Saracen.
The Saracens are renowned for their traders and diplomacy. Strengths: camels (cavalry strong against other cavalry), arid and mediterranean maps, trade and diplomacy Unique Unit: Mameluke, a mounted camel that can attack from range (with melee attack)
Quite untrustworthy if you ask me.
Hugs and Kisses,
~Atki Wiglegs
I'll show you trustworthy. I want Black Forrest and I will chose Vikings, no advantage there except Vikings in general is OP. But since I am the only Viking in game I reserve the right to play Vikings.
On August 11 2012 07:54 Atki Wiglegs wrote: As well, I wish to communicate that this talk of map selection is most likely simple posturing for advantage. If I were to tell you I would like to play on the island map, one could easily infer that I had the plan of choosing a sea-faring civilization. The same applies to other maps that favour certain civilizations. EchelonTee's last post is simply an example of this. Look at how he makes arguments for why the Mediterranean map would be best for everyone. Then look at his choice of civilization, Saracen.
Why infer and speculate when you can read my post to clearly see my intentions?
Therefore, I will be voting for mediterranean. Am I trying to sway votes to a map choice that I would prefer? Of course, I do enjoy winning. But unless you can get a band of people you can trust to form some a wombo combo strat (all seafaring nations in an alliance), it's best for all of us to pick one of the more stable map choices.
You make it seem like I am trying to pull a fast one, when I clearly say in my post why I consider a land/sea map beneficial both to the general public, and to myself. I am not "most likely" posturing for an advantage, I am posturing for an advantage, but hope that others can see how it would benefit them as well.
I feel like this game will play out like "Phantom" in SC2. One random dude will remain hidden for a while and then BOOM, we all dead.
On August 11 2012 07:54 Atki Wiglegs wrote: As well, I wish to communicate that this talk of map selection is most likely simple posturing for advantage. If I were to tell you I would like to play on the island map, one could easily infer that I had the plan of choosing a sea-faring civilization. The same applies to other maps that favour certain civilizations. EchelonTee's last post is simply an example of this. Look at how he makes arguments for why the Mediterranean map would be best for everyone. Then look at his choice of civilization, Saracen.
Why infer and speculate when you can read my post to clearly see my intentions?
Therefore, I will be voting for mediterranean. Am I trying to sway votes to a map choice that I would prefer? Of course, I do enjoy winning. But unless you can get a band of people you can trust to form some a wombo combo strat (all seafaring nations in an alliance), it's best for all of us to pick one of the more stable map choices.
You make it seem like I am trying to pull a fast one, when I clearly say in my post why I consider a land/sea map beneficial both to the general public, and to myself. I am not "most likely" posturing for an advantage, I am posturing for an advantage, but hope that others can see how it would benefit them as well.
I feel like this game will play out like "Phantom" in SC2. One random dude will remain hidden for a while and then BOOM, we all dead.
Or, one dude will openly push his objectives in the thread and try to spin it so it looks like it's good for every player. Well, not every player is playing Saracens. I don't think you were being deceptive, but I see no reason to vote for a map that favors any nation but my own and that of my allies. This much seems clear to me.
The interesting thing though, unless I'm mistaken, is that map choice will be decided before civilizations are revealed, and before alliances are made. Even if you wanted to choose a map that would most benefit both your allies and you, you have no idea how your allies will turn out.
I guess at the end of the day, Tunkeg has the right approach.
Lonely Viking seeks PM buddy for scheming and plotting.
I am big manly Viking in need of a companion for late night talks. I am very cuddly and lovable, but for the right one I am willing to pillage and conquer.
You love to be told what to do, are loyal and would never ever consider putting a dagger in my back.
If you are all this we are a match made in heaven. Send me a PM, no need for any photos.
On August 11 2012 08:14 Tunkeg wrote: Lonely Viking seeks PM buddy for scheming and plotting.
I am big manly Viking in need of a companion for late night talks. I am very cuddly and lovable, but for the right one I am willing to pillage and conquer.
You love to be told what to do, are loyal and would never ever consider putting a dagger in my back.
If you are all this we are a match made in heaven. Send me a PM, no need for any photos.
Love Tunkeg
PS: I might go berserk when on the Shrooms.
Also you have to wine and dine me. I want to be picked up, not pick up. So you send the PM, not me!
On August 11 2012 08:11 EchelonTee wrote: If multiple allied civs attack someone at night, will it be a simultaneous 3v1 battle that is played out, or 3 1v1s?
If a civ attacks another civ and wipes out that civs army, that means if someone else also attacks the same night, that civ is toast?
If the attacks are sent individually then it's 3 1v1s, if the attacks are coordinated (by the allies telling me that they want the attack to be coordinated) then it'll be a single unified attack.
Yes to the second question. The player is almost guaranteed to be dead.
OK guys here's the deal. I want a strong alliance, with no traitors. No one have PM'ed me yet, and some of the players who have made their prescence in thread known have allready confirmed that they are in PM land. So for those of you who have written in thread since the game started don't bother chosing me for PM partner as I won't speak to you (as I fear you hare plotting with someone else). This means the only PM's I will respond to is:
It looks to me like Tunkeg is trying to build up a big alliance, which is reasonable, but it's not in anyone's interest to enable others to get into a big alliance unless they also can benefit. I could easily see a player who gains a lot of influence (ie is in PMs with 3+ people) trying to swing the votes around to a certain setup, and coordinating communication (with his own censorship and additions) between several people, each of whom thinks they're working in a 3 or 4 man group, but are all actually being left out except for a chosen few. most of them will just end up giving him their votes.
Now, I don't think Tunkeg is canny enough to pull that off, but it's a possibility, and he's setting up for it, so I might as well undermine him. As Kanye would say, no one man should have all that power.
On August 11 2012 08:42 Blazinghand wrote: It looks to me like Tunkeg is trying to build up a big alliance, which is reasonable, but it's not in anyone's interest to enable others to get into a big alliance unless they also can benefit. I could easily see a player who gains a lot of influence (ie is in PMs with 3+ people) trying to swing the votes around to a certain setup, and coordinating communication (with his own censorship and additions) between several people, each of whom thinks they're working in a 3 or 4 man group, but are all actually being left out except for a chosen few. most of them will just end up giving him their votes.
Now, I don't think Tunkeg is canny enough to pull that off, but it's a possibility, and he's setting up for it, so I might as well undermine him. As Kanye would say, no one man should have all that power.
You can't be allied with more than 3 people. I could PM with all though if all of you had chosen me. But I am not interested in that at all. I want a group where the members trust eachother. I could have made it happend if some people ha PM'ed me from the get go. The longer we get into day 0 though the more unlikely it is that such a group will be made, and the more likely I am to either end up solo, or being a lose cannon in an allready established group.
The problem with ending up solo is that the player I will take out (and the alliance the player belong to) in my furious attack will cry that I am not playing to my wincondition. But trust me, if I end up alone I will go after the first player who crosses me. You guys have been warned...
... each of whom thinks they're working in a 3 or 4 man group, but are all actually being left out except for a chosen few.
You just want lots of influence if you're gonna hang out asking for mass PMs and not sending them out.
You can only send out one, but you can accept as many as you want. If you are the man with the plan like I am you obviously want to receive a PM before sending your own out. Cause if you send out a PM to someone who allready sent his, there is a slim chance of getting a good alliance up and running.
I want a good strong alliance, and when I got it you guys will probably vote me off for it. Butt hen my alliance will win it for me, and I will still be the winner.
Ok, yes, there is of course a normal motivation for wanting to BE PMed. In fact, it's almost strictly better to be PMed than it is to PM. That doesnt' mean there isn't also a calculating one, the one I mentioned, where you jerk lots of people around who all think they're the chosen 4 to vote in a map and to draft certain civs so you and your 3 favorites can get what they want.
all I'm saying is a guy who holds onto his PM can't be trusted. A guy who wants to recieve lots of PMs could easily be just chillin and wanting a strong alliance, or he could ALSO BE ACTIVELY TRYING TO PREVENT OTHER ONES FROM BEING FORMED.
If everyone PMs you, you can PM like the last guy and then there's no cross communication (between all these people who PMed you). You have control, and not only will you have a good alliance, you also make it so there won't be others. It's easy to say "oh I'm only PMing with 1 guy or 0 guys" in the thread but then bam alliance time is over and you'r ethe only one with a good one cause everyone else is unrecprocated.
It's obvious that what you're doing is indistinguishable from anyone's point of view from shutting down other alliances.
I'm not saying you HAVE to be doing it, I'm saying that not PMing is the same as doing it as far as other people can see. You gotta give a little to get a little, you know what I mean?
On August 11 2012 08:57 Blazinghand wrote: Ok, yes, there is of course a normal motivation for wanting to BE PMed. In fact, it's almost strictly better to be PMed than it is to PM. That doesnt' mean there isn't also a calculating one, the one I mentioned, where you jerk lots of people around who all think they're the chosen 4 to vote in a map and to draft certain civs so you and your 3 favorites can get what they want.
all I'm saying is a guy who holds onto his PM can't be trusted. A guy who wants to recieve lots of PMs could easily be just chillin and wanting a strong alliance, or he could ALSO BE ACTIVELY TRYING TO PREVENT OTHER ONES FROM BEING FORMED.
If everyone PMs you, you can PM like the last guy and then there's no cross communication (between all these people who PMed you). You have control, and not only will you have a good alliance, you also make it so there won't be others. It's easy to say "oh I'm only PMing with 1 guy or 0 guys" in the thread but then bam alliance time is over and you'r ethe only one with a good one cause everyone else is unrecprocated.
It's obvious that what you're doing is indistinguishable from anyone's point of view from shutting down other alliances.
Send your damn PM like a man
There is two ways to be succesfull with your PM this game: 1) Send your PM right at the start of the game to the player you trust the most and start laying out your plan with him/her. Pro: You reach an unapproached player. Con: You might get turned down, and it is GG. 2) Wait for a player to approach you and decide whether or not you want to trust this player. Pro: You hold the control with your PM. Con: You might not get approached, or the one approaching you are allready in an alliance.
If I had one player in this game which I somehow knew I could rely on I would go for 1. I probably should have gone for 1 either way, but for me it is a bigger risk then it is for you for instance (because I haven't been around lately, and because of how the others players percive me).
Option 2 is also more powerfull for a reknowned player, as they are more wanted for an allied. And this is the reason why your suspicions towards my motives for doing this is wrong. There is no way I would get many PM's from the players in this game. I would say I could have gotten a couple if lucky, I was hoping for one, neither have happend, and I will probably have to fire off a desperate request for someone before I jump to bed.
On the other hand, that's literally what you'd say if all of my suspicions are true, right? I mean, you'd want to keep up the veneer of "not having been PMed" so that more people would PM you. You make a good point in that you're not the most famous player in this game, though.
Getting a couple is very lucky if you're waiting on PM's. The average number of PM's per person is one, so anything over that is already amazing.
If I were in your position and I was getting desperate, I'd just shoot my PM at another lesser known player because they'd also, like you, have less chance of receiving a PM from someone.
Anyways, I guess I'll go lurk now. I haven't talked to Mattchew yet, so when I do and discuss our "foolproof plans" ( ) we'll send/responde PMs and shit.
I don't really get why the PM thing is so important, unless you want to guarantee you have an alliance by the 2nd phase of D0 (so if you send an alliance it won't be rejected). But other than that you can try to form alliances on the next phase anyways.
Wow, it feels so nice to play a game where the pressure of catching scum or surviving as one is gone. It feels like I can post anything I want without any consequences:
I'm a Vanilla Townie, I checked Blazinghand and he came back Balrog! Lynch him!
But wait no, I'll vote someone else. Also I lied, I'm Cop, I saved the veteran from a hit.
In a setup where the factions won't be neat (13 players, there will be group overlap), someone with more PM power is definitely a greater threat. I don't think people are realizing that the groups will be a bit blurry, especially since PMs aren't universal.
I also think there will end up being more small factions than people realize, probably a handful of loners too. Alliance picking will be a strange dance...the stuff in the thread anyway. You can't tip your hand too much, but you don't want to be left alone either. A few will jell with these initial PM chains, but those that misfire are at some serious risk of being alone.
On August 11 2012 07:54 Atki Wiglegs wrote: Dear friends,
I am Sir Atki Wiglegs, and this is an announcement that I am now accepting PMs from all eligible suitors who wish to begin the courting process.
As well, I wish to communicate that this talk of map selection is most likely simple posturing for advantage. If I were to tell you I would like to play on the island map, one could easily infer that I had the plan of choosing a sea-faring civilization. The same applies to other maps that favour certain civilizations. EchelonTee's last post is simply an example of this. Look at how he makes arguments for why the Mediterranean map would be best for everyone. Then look at his choice of civilization, Saracen.
Saracens
The Saracens are renowned for their traders and diplomacy. Strengths: camels (cavalry strong against other cavalry), arid and mediterranean maps, trade and diplomacy Unique Unit: Mameluke, a mounted camel that can attack from range (with melee attack)
Quite untrustworthy if you ask me.
Hugs and Kisses,
~Atki Wiglegs
I'll show you trustworthy. I want Black Forrest and I will chose Vikings, no advantage there except Vikings in general is OP. But since I am the only Viking in game I reserve the right to play Vikings.
On August 11 2012 07:54 Atki Wiglegs wrote: Dear friends,
I am Sir Atki Wiglegs, and this is an announcement that I am now accepting PMs from all eligible suitors who wish to begin the courting process.
As well, I wish to communicate that this talk of map selection is most likely simple posturing for advantage. If I were to tell you I would like to play on the island map, one could easily infer that I had the plan of choosing a sea-faring civilization. The same applies to other maps that favour certain civilizations. EchelonTee's last post is simply an example of this. Look at how he makes arguments for why the Mediterranean map would be best for everyone. Then look at his choice of civilization, Saracen.
Saracens
The Saracens are renowned for their traders and diplomacy. Strengths: camels (cavalry strong against other cavalry), arid and mediterranean maps, trade and diplomacy Unique Unit: Mameluke, a mounted camel that can attack from range (with melee attack)
Quite untrustworthy if you ask me.
Hugs and Kisses,
~Atki Wiglegs
I'll show you trustworthy. I want Black Forrest and I will chose Vikings, no advantage there except Vikings in general is OP. But since I am the only Viking in game I reserve the right to play Vikings.
Half-Viking here.
And I shall choose Viking as well. Hope you got a good pair of numbers.
On August 11 2012 11:27 s0Lstice wrote: I also think there will end up being more small factions than people realize, probably a handful of loners too. Alliance picking will be a strange dance...the stuff in the thread anyway. You can't tip your hand too much, but you don't want to be left alone either. A few will jell with these initial PM chains, but those that misfire are at some serious risk of being alone.
This is definately true. I think there will be some loners, many small and unstable alliances and then the big 4 man group that rest of us will have to figure out. This is where the town vs mafia aspect of the game comes in. The advantage here is that some players in fact are more likely to be a part of a big group than the rest of us. These are the players we need to be voting off.
On August 11 2012 07:54 Atki Wiglegs wrote: Dear friends,
I am Sir Atki Wiglegs, and this is an announcement that I am now accepting PMs from all eligible suitors who wish to begin the courting process.
As well, I wish to communicate that this talk of map selection is most likely simple posturing for advantage. If I were to tell you I would like to play on the island map, one could easily infer that I had the plan of choosing a sea-faring civilization. The same applies to other maps that favour certain civilizations. EchelonTee's last post is simply an example of this. Look at how he makes arguments for why the Mediterranean map would be best for everyone. Then look at his choice of civilization, Saracen.
Saracens
The Saracens are renowned for their traders and diplomacy. Strengths: camels (cavalry strong against other cavalry), arid and mediterranean maps, trade and diplomacy Unique Unit: Mameluke, a mounted camel that can attack from range (with melee attack)
Quite untrustworthy if you ask me.
Hugs and Kisses,
~Atki Wiglegs
I'll show you trustworthy. I want Black Forrest and I will chose Vikings, no advantage there except Vikings in general is OP. But since I am the only Viking in game I reserve the right to play Vikings.
Makes no sense.
Vikings are OP in a historical sense, not in AoE II or in this game.
On August 11 2012 07:54 Atki Wiglegs wrote: Dear friends,
I am Sir Atki Wiglegs, and this is an announcement that I am now accepting PMs from all eligible suitors who wish to begin the courting process.
As well, I wish to communicate that this talk of map selection is most likely simple posturing for advantage. If I were to tell you I would like to play on the island map, one could easily infer that I had the plan of choosing a sea-faring civilization. The same applies to other maps that favour certain civilizations. EchelonTee's last post is simply an example of this. Look at how he makes arguments for why the Mediterranean map would be best for everyone. Then look at his choice of civilization, Saracen.
Saracens
The Saracens are renowned for their traders and diplomacy. Strengths: camels (cavalry strong against other cavalry), arid and mediterranean maps, trade and diplomacy Unique Unit: Mameluke, a mounted camel that can attack from range (with melee attack)
Quite untrustworthy if you ask me.
Hugs and Kisses,
~Atki Wiglegs
I'll show you trustworthy. I want Black Forrest and I will chose Vikings, no advantage there except Vikings in general is OP. But since I am the only Viking in game I reserve the right to play Vikings.
Half-Viking here.
And I shall choose Viking as well. Hope you got a good pair of numbers.
Hi everyone. Almost forgot I signed up for this but lets get to it, this mafia variant looks awesome.
I think we should choose the Black Forest because it looks like the coolest map.
As far as allies go, I'm a guy who believes in free markets, minimal defense spending, and a reasonable safety net coupled with legitimate counter-cyclical fiscal/monetary policy.
If we have things in common, maybe we'd make good allies.
To be honest, I'm not really sure what we are going to be talking about in the coming days; have there been multi faction games in the past with no uninformed majority?
On August 12 2012 09:21 EchelonTee wrote: To be honest, I'm not really sure what we are going to be talking about in the coming days; have there been multi faction games in the past with no uninformed majority?
I'll tell you what we should start discussing, and that is a day 1 lynch. As said before there is likely to be many small alliances and loners in this game. But there is definately going to be a leading big alliance as well. Those of us who isn't in that big alliance is the uninformed majority, while the big alliance is the mafia. Meaning we can threat this game as a standard town vs scum game. So is there anyone more likely to be in a big alliance here? Which alliances do you guys fear the more? Answer these questions and you got the day 1 lynch.
Like seriously, all your post says is "Hey, uh, there are these PEOPLE out there who you gotta fear. They are the bad guys and we are the good guys right? So, uh, who are they so that we can all band together and take em out? "
On August 12 2012 19:25 EchelonTee wrote: Lmao, don't even know where to start with that comment.
If this were a standard mafia game, I'd auto-lynch you for it.
Why would you do that? How do you suggest that we proceed with a day 1 lynch then? The obvious choice would be to go after the ones you believe is strongest, and the ones you believe is part of a strong alliance.
If you believe I am part of a strong group and am strong by all means proceed by making me a target for a lynch. If not that is the reason why you want to auto lynch me, is it because you feel threatened by my post?
Discussing how we should go on with a day 1 lynch is something that is very much something that should be discussed in thread. So either make a sensible post about what I said, where you write with reason, or let me (and perhaps the rest of the thread) bleiev that you are trying to surpress any kind of discussion regarding strong alliances.
On August 12 2012 19:31 EchelonTee wrote: Like seriously, all your post says is "Hey, uh, there are these PEOPLE out there who you gotta fear. They are the bad guys and we are the good guys right? So, uh, who are they so that we can all band together and take em out? "
-_______-
Have I ever singled out anyone to say these are the guys we need to fear? This is for the thread to do together through discussion. I don't know why you are so afraid of this. Are you perhaps part of a strong alliance, and are feeling the heat?
I am the onlyone trying it looks like. Here are people ho have posted a couple of posts only (not mentioning any names MrZentor) and people who haven't posted at all. I guess the rest of you are just satisfied with nothing happening in this thread. I think I have almost as many posts here that the rest of you combined. First to get a pm (great success) and then to try start up the game by discussing lynches (great success again). I know this is a fun, non standard mafia game, but we can at least try to have some discussions can't we? Some people silence speaks louder than any posts they could make though...
On August 12 2012 19:31 EchelonTee wrote: Like seriously, all your post says is "Hey, uh, there are these PEOPLE out there who you gotta fear. They are the bad guys and we are the good guys right? So, uh, who are they so that we can all band together and take em out? "
-_______-
Have I ever singled out anyone to say these are the guys we need to fear? This is for the thread to do together through discussion. I don't know why you are so afraid of this. Are you perhaps part of a strong alliance, and are feeling the heat?
yes you scary
On August 13 2012 04:35 MrZentor wrote: There really won't be much to talk about until after the alliance phase.....
Just clarifying for you Tunkeg; the reason why your post makes me cringe is that you are trying to "promote discussion" on D1 lynch, but you offer no suggestions of your own. Not even suspicions or anything. Essentially, you are asking other people to do your work for you so that you can nod along and agree with them. That is a huge roflstomp mafia tell, but since there are no mafia in this game I have no particular reason to call for your lynch at this point, except for the fact that it seems like you are planning on running on the radar. You are essentially claiming that you will not be in a big alliance; therefore, you plan on winning by staying unnoticed while the alliances pick themselves apart.
Overall though, since there are no alliances at this point, and it is unclear what civ's people will select, I also have 0 information on who is dangerous to me at this point. Simply put, the game will get very interesting in the next 48 hours. ATM though, I'm going back to get murdered in DayZ.
Really, so why is it that we can't discuss things as likely alliances and get a jumpstart on the lynch discussion for day 1? I say the only one benefitting from it are people who are likely to be targets for such a discussion and players who are in alliances with said players. From the look of it all the rest of you are against me in this game though, since no one is even interested in humoring me by discussing it. Everything got to beat silence right?
The purpose of the lynch is for the weaker players to band together and take out anyone who gets too strong.
That's all it's for. We're ALL the informed minorities, and we're all uninformed majorities relative to each other. The lynch isn't about scumhunting, it's about "people your faction can't kill at night" hunting. We don't even have alliances yet, what do you think we should discuss? This isn't "scum vs town", the fact that it's quiet in the thread isn't a problem at all.
On August 13 2012 05:17 EchelonTee wrote: Just clarifying for you Tunkeg; the reason why your post makes me cringe is that you are trying to "promote discussion" on D1 lynch, but you offer no suggestions of your own. Not even suspicions or anything. Essentially, you are asking other people to do your work for you so that you can nod along and agree with them. That is a huge roflstomp mafia tell, but since there are no mafia in this game I have no particular reason to call for your lynch at this point, except for the fact that it seems like you are planning on running on the radar. You are essentially claiming that you will not be in a big alliance; therefore, you plan on winning by staying unnoticed while the alliances pick themselves apart.
Overall though, since there are no alliances at this point, and it is unclear what civ's people will select, I also have 0 information on who is dangerous to me at this point. Simply put, the game will get very interesting in the next 48 hours. ATM though, I'm going back to get murdered in DayZ.
Fair enough. My point is that there are players more likely to gang up and make strong alliances then others. A way to start figuring out who is talking with eachother is by people starting to post. I am not afraid to stick my neck out here, and therefor I am going to say I suspect Blazinghand to be forming a strong alliance like that. So BH come out and play, tell me that you aren't. I could name 4 players who I am pretty sure is talking with eachother, but for now I will settle with BH being a center in an alliance. What do the rest of you guys think, will you let a BH alliance just roflstomp this game?
In fact, fishing for who I'm PMing with is kinda a dick move. I'm not asking you who's PMing you, am I? Of course, your "official" story is that you're all alone, etc etc
I don't want you to post who you are PM'ing I just say that I find it very likely that you are in a power alliance. And I would like others to tell their opinions on it.
But... we're literally not in the phase where you can make alliances. Are you even playing this game? Did you read the rules? You're doing a good job of trying to convince me you're not in charge of a big group, but the newb card can only be played so much before it looks suspicious.
I can assure you 100% i'm trying to form a powerful alliance with every tool at my disposal, btw. But whether or not this is successful I won't know until the alliance phase happens and I see who's allying me back
Like to be 100% clear: Always lynch during the day whoever was strongest at night in terms of army, resources allies etc, assuming he's not in your alliance... this was clear to me just from reading the setup. If I turn out to be the strongest player in a strong alliance, I have no doubt I'll get lynched. Is anyone confused about this? Tunkeg doesn't seem to understand that the fact that I'm a skilled town player has nothing to do with anything in this game. All that matters is Alliances and your power, and optimal lynches will be on players who are strong during the night phase.
On August 13 2012 05:34 Blazinghand wrote: But... we're literally not in the phase where you can make alliances. Are you even playing this game? Did you read the rules? You're doing a good job of trying to convince me you're not in charge of a big group, but the newb card can only be played so much before it looks suspicious.
But that is not what I am trying to discuss. I am trying to discuss who is more likely to get a strong good group going. Everyone wants to be in a strong alliance, but not all are able to achieve it. You get a good strong group by reputation, more people want to team up with someone with a good reputation. I could mention opthers who are highly regarded here as well who is very likely to getinto a poweralliance.
And fyi I am not playing the newb card, I am not a newb, I am playing the no one in this game likes me card...
On August 13 2012 05:34 EchelonTee wrote: My opinion is that if Blazinghand wasn't in a power alliance, I would be disappointed.
And if he is in a poweralliance you wouldn't be interested in having him lynched to weaken that alliance?
If anyone is in a power alliance I'm not in, I'm interested in lynching them. It doesn't matter who they are.
But I am asking ET if he is willing to lynch you, and he obv should unless he is in the process of talking to you. So please answer ET. You have yourself said that you expect BH to be in a poweralliance...
On August 13 2012 05:45 MrZentor wrote: Idea: when Bugs reveals the order in which people got to pick their civilizations, we should lynch the person who got to pick first.
Whether or not people like each other is irrelevant, though. I dislike literally everyone. You've played with me.
This whole idea of "reputations" is BS. You get a strong group by demonstrating your value. I've played AoE before, and I have an idea of what units are good. I posted that in the thread, hoping to attract PMs and hoping that whoever I PMed would think me valuable and not double-cross me.
Now, why would you play the "nobody likes me" card? Because you clearly want to APPEAR that you're in a weak group. Maybe that's because you are, in fact, going to be in a weak group. Maybe nobody PMed you, and the guy you PMed told you to screw off. But I don't think that's the case. I think you've been active in the thread and naturally attracted PMs.
What I'm interested in seeing is what happens once the alliance phase begins and people have actual teams, because that's when the real game starts. Maybe then I'll be in a strong alliance, or maybe I'll be in a weak one, or even alone if I'm screwed over. I'd like to think I can make some sort of case that I'm in a weak alliance, but saying "wahh nobody likes me" is not a case for you being in a weak alliance. There aren't even alliances yet.
In any case, I don't see any reason to talk with you any more. If you think MrZ, ET, and I are all out to get you, that's fine. I think you're just trying to look bad so you don't get lynched.
On August 13 2012 05:45 MrZentor wrote: Idea: when Bugs reveals the order in which people got to pick their civilizations, we should lynch the person who got to pick first.
Just for fun.
Great derail, are you in bed with ET and BH son?
The World's Most Treacherous Orgy
I like this fighting that's going on right now between yourself and others Tunkeg, especially when it's coming at a time when there's not really anything to fight about, or anything to really even talk about. Are you trying to create distance between yourself and others because you're planning on entering an alliance with them? That's what it's looking like to me right now. You're trying to disguise associations and break apparent relationships, but you're doing it at the wrong time, so it only highlights them more. I'm watching you.
On August 13 2012 05:47 Blazinghand wrote: Whether or not people like each other is irrelevant, though. I dislike literally everyone. You've played with me.
This whole idea of "reputations" is BS. You get a strong group by demonstrating your value. I've played AoE before, and I have an idea of what units are good. I posted that in the thread, hoping to attract PMs and hoping that whoever I PMed would think me valuable and not double-cross me.
Now, why would you play the "nobody likes me" card? Because you clearly want to APPEAR that you're in a weak group. Maybe that's because you are, in fact, going to be in a weak group. Maybe nobody PMed you, and the guy you PMed told you to screw off. But I don't think that's the case. I think you've been active in the thread and naturally attracted PMs.
What I'm interested in seeing is what happens once the alliance phase begins and people have actual teams, because that's when the real game starts. Maybe then I'll be in a strong alliance, or maybe I'll be in a weak one, or even alone if I'm screwed over. I'd like to think I can make some sort of case that I'm in a weak alliance, but saying "wahh nobody likes me" is not a case for you being in a weak alliance. There aren't even alliances yet.
In any case, I don't see any reason to talk with you any more. If you think MrZ, ET, and I are all out to get you, that's fine. I think you're just trying to look bad so you don't get lynched.
It isn't. I think everyone have in some way made up their mind about who they think is good players and who is not in this game. I have at least. Also there are players who have been harder in eachother throats then others. I can name alot of players here that I have been in heated discussions with who basicly have said they would prefer never to play with me again.
I think the players who are most respected in here is more likely to be getting into good alliances period, thats what I am saying.
I don't think you, ET and MrZ are out to get me, I think you are in the business of not wanting this discussed. It is a very reasonable thing to discuss IMO. You are ofc free to not wanting to discuss this, you have at least put in some posts about this, even though they are dodgy, dismissive and condecending, nothing out of the ordinary from you...
On August 13 2012 05:45 MrZentor wrote: Idea: when Bugs reveals the order in which people got to pick their civilizations, we should lynch the person who got to pick first.
Just for fun.
Great derail, are you in bed with ET and BH son?
The World's Most Treacherous Orgy
I like this fighting that's going on right now between yourself and others Tunkeg, especially when it's coming at a time when there's not really anything to fight about, or anything to really even talk about. Are you trying to create distance between yourself and others because you're planning on entering an alliance with them? That's what it's looking like to me right now. You're trying to disguise associations and break apparent relationships, but you're doing it at the wrong time, so it only highlights them more. I'm watching you.
Damn you got me...
But really, what do you think about my theory regarding the "stronger" players increased chance of getting a good alliance together? What would stop the best players in here to form up a strong alliance and just roflstomp the entire game? Why not discuss that as well. I am fine with you watching me, as long as you listen to what I say.
On August 13 2012 06:07 Sir Posts A Lot wrote: lol this is fun
Why is it fun. You think I am being a clown with what I write? Is it fun because I am completly wrong? Or is it fun because I am right and those others are just dodging and instead of discussing the topic just are trying to ridicule me?
Also all of you who haven't posted at all, what the fuck is up with that? I know you are just bowing down to your überlords and accepting their notion that there is nothing to discuss at the moment. This while they sit around laughing at how easy they are getting away with their plots and schemes. Get into the thread and start playing, don't just sit around and let yourself be outplayed!
On August 13 2012 06:07 Sir Posts A Lot wrote: lol this is fun
Why is it fun. You think I am being a clown with what I write? Is it fun because I am completly wrong? Or is it fun because I am right and those others are just dodging and instead of discussing the topic just are trying to ridicule me?
What do you think ont he subject? GO!
It's fun because you guys are so serious yet no alliances have been made and nothing has happened yet. Hell the map and civilizations haven't been chosen either. It's good drama though
If you have a plan that hinges on posting lots of stuff in the thread then it's fine I guess. I don't have plans on posting at this Pre-Alliance phase though.
On August 13 2012 06:19 Tunkeg wrote: Also all of you who haven't posted at all, what the fuck is up with that? I know you are just bowing down to your überlords and accepting their notion that there is nothing to discuss at the moment. This while they sit around laughing at how easy they are getting away with their plots and schemes. Get into the thread and start playing, don't just sit around and let yourself be outplayed!
People who haven't posted could easily be outplaying you or me or ET... there are PMs you now.
On August 13 2012 06:07 Sir Posts A Lot wrote: lol this is fun
Why is it fun. You think I am being a clown with what I write? Is it fun because I am completly wrong? Or is it fun because I am right and those others are just dodging and instead of discussing the topic just are trying to ridicule me?
What do you think ont he subject? GO!
It's fun because you guys are so serious yet no alliances have been made and nothing has happened yet. Hell the map and civilizations haven't been chosen either. It's good drama though
If you have a plan that hinges on posting lots of stuff in the thread then it's fine I guess. I don't have plans on posting at this Pre-Alliance phase though.
But there are obviously people talking in PM's, and regardless of whether or not the alliances have been made and agreed upon allready there are observations that can be made about the game in general. It is possible to start trying to figure players out in this game, we don't have to wait for alliances to be made before we start discussing. Alliances are as fragile after they are made as before, they can be broken at any time.
On August 13 2012 06:19 Tunkeg wrote: Also all of you who haven't posted at all, what the fuck is up with that? I know you are just bowing down to your überlords and accepting their notion that there is nothing to discuss at the moment. This while they sit around laughing at how easy they are getting away with their plots and schemes. Get into the thread and start playing, don't just sit around and let yourself be outplayed!
People who haven't posted could easily be outplaying you or me or ET... there are PMs you now.
Sure they can. But my point is that the players that haven't posted should start posting.
On August 13 2012 06:19 Tunkeg wrote: Also all of you who haven't posted at all, what the fuck is up with that? I know you are just bowing down to your überlords and accepting their notion that there is nothing to discuss at the moment. This while they sit around laughing at how easy they are getting away with their plots and schemes. Get into the thread and start playing, don't just sit around and let yourself be outplayed!
People who haven't posted could easily be outplaying you or me or ET... there are PMs you now.
Sure they can. But my point is that the players that haven't posted should start posting.
On August 13 2012 06:19 Tunkeg wrote: Also all of you who haven't posted at all, what the fuck is up with that? I know you are just bowing down to your überlords and accepting their notion that there is nothing to discuss at the moment. This while they sit around laughing at how easy they are getting away with their plots and schemes. Get into the thread and start playing, don't just sit around and let yourself be outplayed!
People who haven't posted could easily be outplaying you or me or ET... there are PMs you now.
Sure they can. But my point is that the players that haven't posted should start posting.
On August 13 2012 06:19 Tunkeg wrote: Also all of you who haven't posted at all, what the fuck is up with that? I know you are just bowing down to your überlords and accepting their notion that there is nothing to discuss at the moment. This while they sit around laughing at how easy they are getting away with their plots and schemes. Get into the thread and start playing, don't just sit around and let yourself be outplayed!
People who haven't posted could easily be outplaying you or me or ET... there are PMs you now.
Sure they can. But my point is that the players that haven't posted should start posting.
Still missing choices from Marvel Going to give you all like 30 minutes and if they're not in by then I will random your civilizations (and put you all last)
Tallying votes and figuring out the draft order now.
Should be up within 15-20 minutes. You will be PMed your civilization and then alliance phase begins (to end a little under 24 hours from now). Send in up to 3 alliance requests. Please wait until after you've received your civilizations to do so.w
e:
Map Votes have tied between Continental and Black Forest.
Arabia
1
Black Forest 3
Continental
3
Archipelago
2
Arena
1
Mediterranean
2
Islands
1
Send me a vote between Black Forest and Continental before alliance phase is over to determine the map. It will be determined as soon as all the votes are in (or as soon as one of the choices hits 7 votes). You may not abstain.
Good times. As an aside, anyone who thinks Tunkeg and I are working together and distancing is unbelievably wrong, we'd have done it way better than this.
...shouldn't i be above the 4/4 with my 4/2? Also, I thought unique first numbers always pick before non-unique first numbers, since they are never dropped to the bottom of the queue.
Now the second # picked is used to determine who goes first in the event of players picking the same number. The lowest # of the second # goes first and so on. In the event players picked the same 2 numbers I will once again reset them to the back of the queue(for the order they are in).
A few people thought he was referencing the players that had picked the same number, and the example neither confirms or denies that thought.
The conflicts were arranged by first number and then second number (I might've fucked up one of the orderings with the triple conflict a bit but I did it really quickly because I was running low on time)
On August 13 2012 10:08 s0Lstice wrote: ...shouldn't i be above the 4/4 with my 4/2? Also, I thought unique first numbers always pick before non-unique first numbers, since they are never dropped to the bottom of the queue.
this is correct, all the unique first numbers are at the top.
EDIT:
I fucked up....lol I put ET too low.
My apologies. I'm really tired
Luckily though this actually doesn't affect picking. No one picked what ET picked.
Update: I double checked the draft and the only thing that's wrong is ET's placement. That actually didn't affect civilization choices so we're fine. Civilizations that have been given out are all correct.
Well, if nobody picked what I picked it doesn't matter really. Does someone's choice change? That would suck (because they get more info about the abilities from other civilizations >_> ).
People are also sent back to the line if they have the same second number as anybody else, regardless of if that anybody else has the same first number as the other person.
On August 13 2012 10:54 Sir Posts A Lot wrote: Isn't this the correct order?:
1-[9][1] [UoN]Sentinel 2-[14][1] EchelonTee 3-[1][1] rastaban 4-[1][13] Fulblade 5-[1][14] Blazinghand 6-[3][3] Atki Wiglegs 7-[3][9] Tunkeg 8-[4][2] solstice 9-[4][4] Sir Posts a Lot 10-[7][2] ItsMarvelBabyy 11-[7][3] Bill Murray 12-[8][1] MrZentor 13-[8][8] Sinensis
Some positions change. Specially Wiglegs's, and most notably ET's and Sinensis's.
no.
you haven't taken into account the uniqueness of the second number (notably sinensis has 8, which is not picked, tunkeg has 9, also not picked, marvel has 2, also not picked)
I'm not changing the draft order now to resend role PMs, primarily because there's nothing wrong with the draft order.
e: also after the conflicts there isn't rearranging of the numbers based on the first number. Once you're sent to the back if you're sent to the back again you stay at the back.
Oh I thought 2nd number only was taken into account with players with the same 1st number Meh yeah the OP explanation is vague since I got that feeling from it (same in PYP games where it's used)
Okay then, nothing to see here, move along <_< >_>
Something weird about that is that choosing [-][1] and the like as 2nd number seems bad, since even if you have a low repeated 1st number you can end up way too low
I guess choosing something like [-][1098799875235] is optimal then
1. first person to ask for an alliance gets it 2. will be sending in one semi random (who I want to send it to) 3. will decide one logically in the next little bit
On August 13 2012 21:13 Blazinghand wrote: Sent you just got duped so hard... Vikings are like by far the worst, Tunkeg was talking them up to get someone to pick them cause they're crap
No I picked my races before Tunkeg did his thing, and all of my other top picks were things like Japanese and Britons. If I voted for mediterranean or archipelago or some shit I could have made a three way tie w/ a water map, and then I would have gotten ten boats for free
On August 13 2012 21:13 Blazinghand wrote: Sent you just got duped so hard... Vikings are like by far the worst, Tunkeg was talking them up to get someone to pick them cause they're crap
This is very true. You have finally realised that I am an evil genious. I knew that as soon as the thread saw me wanting Vikings they would want it to. Because when a player of my caliber want them they are obviously the best. And then I just leveled them, I tricked them into picking a useless civ. And these dumbasses never knew what hit them, except you BH, you saw right through me.
Well, I knew *I* wasn't gonna get tricked, so I saw no reason to stop this particular deception of yours. Unless you're being sarcastic, in which case "yes, you are a great player"
Oh, you know, pretty good. I'm particularly glad not to be in Bill Murray's position (unless he's just trolling desperate people, in which case he's a baller). Waiting to see who my alliance is. Probably gonna say it's a small alliance regardless of its size. Been playing some D&D.
Map is almost certainly continental. Vote count will be up a bit after the deadline (I'm omw home ATM) and there will be a small range of updates to the OP regarding production. I will enumerate them in the daypost. (this was due to me accidentally using slightly outdated notes when I drafted the post) Some numbers will change but not much else.
I'm in the process of putting together all of the alliances so this might take a little while.
On the continent of Eurasia 13 great powers have sprouted from the seeds of ancient civilization. Weak and petty may be their quarrels for now, but soon great armies will once again clash across fields of open grass.
A new dawn rises. Today begins the Age of Kings.
Deadline has been reached. Alliance phase is over.
These were the changes I applied to the unit mechanics:
Unit Mechanics
Every civilization can produce basic units. Basic unit stats can be modified by upgrades and civilization bonuses.
Villager Batches updated to 3 per batch (50 f cost each)
Units are created in batches. (thus you will not get 1 individual unit for a production batch, you'll get between 2 and 10 depending on the expense of the unit; things like elephants will come out in 3s while knights will come out in 5, spears in 10s, etc. This is to make the battles more exciting). The normal cost listed for a unit is the cost for a batch of them.
Standard rules:
Unique units as described in PMs. All non elephant cavalry in batches of 5. All foot units in 10s. All siege units in 2s. (rams, mangonels, trebuchets; 160w 75 g, 160 w 135 g, 200 w 200 g respectively)
In addition: unless otherwise specified in your PM everyone will start with 8 sheep (800 "free food" that needs to be collected) and 200 food, 200 wood, 200 gold, 200 stone in the stockpile. These resources can be immediately used. Also you start with a scout that you can tell me to go scout someone, and it will tell you what units they have defending themselves.
47 hours to vote for one player to be eliminated. Alliances have been determined and have been described in your role PMs. The map is continental.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE consolidate your PMs into ONE. Send them to both my cohosts as well. Your day PM should include at the very least:
QTs are allowed between allies, just PM me the link.
Outside communication is fine too.
Clarifications:
Answers to these questions:
Player A and B attack player C together. Player C has no troops at home to defend, and no walls. -is player C eliminated from the game?
Player A and B attack player C together. Player C has minimal troops at home to defend. Player C loses the battle. -is player C eliminated from the game?
Yes to the first, almost certainly yes to the second.
Also:
siege weapons will allow you to destroy buildings even if you don't actually win the fight (so rams for example) or destroy your opponent even if you have almost no troops left after winning the fight.
Of course this doesn't matter for now since no one can build them yet.
Also some players may have additional building defenses dependent on their civilization which can only be taken out with siege weapons or lots of troops.
Lets not let this thread turn into a grave yard. I propose that at the start, until we have more reliable information, we lynch people who do not post or just barely do. Once we start getting feedback from scouting we can target the most dangerous players or weaken any powerful alliances, but for now we just need people to be active.
On August 14 2012 22:54 rastaban wrote: Let the games begin!
Lets not let this thread turn into a grave yard. I propose that at the start, until we have more reliable information, we lynch people who do not post or just barely do. Once we start getting feedback from scouting we can target the most dangerous players or weaken any powerful alliances, but for now we just need people to be active.
Haha, you are one funny guy. You haven't posted since the game began and then you want to lynch the inactives. So we should start by lynching you then? Or what?
Who exactly do you want to lynch, if not you?
Also what do you think about the discussions I tried to get going the other day? About who is more likely to be in a poweralliance?
On August 15 2012 00:04 ItsMarvelBabyyy wrote: An alliance of 1 with marvelbabe is a power alliance. Booya.
Yeah, I can't see no one wanting to be in an alliance with one of the players hailed as most improved numerous times. If you aren't in a good alliance then I am the queen of england.
On August 15 2012 00:04 ItsMarvelBabyyy wrote: An alliance of 1 with marvelbabe is a power alliance. Booya.
Yeah, I can't see no one wanting to be in an alliance with one of the players hailed as most improved numerous times. If you aren't in a good alliance then I am the queen of england.
You're right that there were people who contacted us wanting to ally. A lot of stuff was left to me for the opening phase and between a small miscommunication between heads and some DayZ and a volleyball camp I didn't know I'd have to help run... something bad happened.
On August 15 2012 00:04 ItsMarvelBabyyy wrote: An alliance of 1 with marvelbabe is a power alliance. Booya.
Yeah, I can't see no one wanting to be in an alliance with one of the players hailed as most improved numerous times. If you aren't in a good alliance then I am the queen of england.
You're right that there were people who contacted us wanting to ally. A lot of stuff was left to me for the opening phase and between a small miscommunication between heads and some DayZ and a volleyball camp I didn't know I'd have to help run... something bad happened.
So for now lets just assume that I buy into this. Who would you want to lynch to day and why? If you are truly alone it should be no problem answering as you really can't go wrong.
On August 15 2012 00:04 ItsMarvelBabyyy wrote: An alliance of 1 with marvelbabe is a power alliance. Booya.
Yeah, I can't see no one wanting to be in an alliance with one of the players hailed as most improved numerous times. If you aren't in a good alliance then I am the queen of england.
You're right that there were people who contacted us wanting to ally. A lot of stuff was left to me for the opening phase and between a small miscommunication between heads and some DayZ and a volleyball camp I didn't know I'd have to help run... something bad happened.
So for now lets just assume that I buy into this. Who would you want to lynch to day and why? If you are truly alone it should be no problem answering as you really can't go wrong.
This is Risen. Your question shows that you don't know my past, which is fine. My vote is going to be on BM until he dies. Since I'm a hydra I'll have to wait and see what the other head wants, but I think he wouldn't mind a d1 BM lynch.
Typical excuse trying to look like you don't got your shit together
You really want us to believe that both of you weren't moving heaven and earth to get a great alliance? Yeah right you care about mafia. I literally don't believe anyone who tries to feed me this crapgage (crap garbage) including tunkeg and bill murray. You guys aren't fooling anyone least of all me.
kokso I've thought about it, and I'm against a BM lynch. I know I was for it a few minutes ago, but check this: near the end of n0, BM is struggling and sends out a call for an alliance, any alliance. I intially interpretted this as typical tunkeg-style crybaby play to avoid a D1 lynch, but it's kinda different because it's so blatant. if BM really was in a power alliance and made that request, what if someone took him up on it and he couldn't add them? He'd immediately be outed as a power player, or alternatively, a pawn in a power player's game. It's not a risk he'd take.
I think that's the big difference here between some guys like BM / some lurkers and Tunkeg. Tunkeg has done an incredible amount of complaining in thread, but he's also been active as hell. Don't you believe for one second that Tunkeg ISN'T in a strong alliance. I think that he's feeling the pressure, and now that he has his alliance QT, he's called out his alliance-buddies to come and bus him. How interesting how many people are willing to prod him but not vote him?
I suppose everyone saw this coming a few days away, but Tunkeg is a threat. He's a deceptive mofo and needs to not be alive. I don't know who's who in terms of alliances yet, but I do know a dangerous guy who's setting up for a long game when I see one. Tunkeg has been jerking us around all game.
##vote: Tunkeg
If there was any equivalent of scum in this game, it'd be him. Evaluate the situation of you and your allies (if any) and realize he's the best lynch. Of course his ally-buddies will defend him, but we are many and they are 4, tops.
Vikings suck really bad in all but a few circumstances which makes me question why sentinel/tunkeg fought over them ESPECIALLY since sentinel is supposed to be into aoe I thought. Did you really "fight" over them? I don't think either of you picked them high and were trying to bait people which could only happen if you were talking to each other.
On August 15 2012 03:30 Blazinghand wrote: kokso I've thought about it, and I'm against a BM lynch. I know I was for it a few minutes ago, but check this: near the end of n0, BM is struggling and sends out a call for an alliance, any alliance. I intially interpretted this as typical tunkeg-style crybaby play to avoid a D1 lynch, but it's kinda different because it's so blatant. if BM really was in a power alliance and made that request, what if someone took him up on it and he couldn't add them? He'd immediately be outed as a power player, or alternatively, a pawn in a power player's game. It's not a risk he'd take.
I think that's the big difference here between some guys like BM / some lurkers and Tunkeg. Tunkeg has done an incredible amount of complaining in thread, but he's also been active as hell. Don't you believe for one second that Tunkeg ISN'T in a strong alliance. I think that he's feeling the pressure, and now that he has his alliance QT, he's called out his alliance-buddies to come and bus him. How interesting how many people are willing to prod him but not vote him?
I suppose everyone saw this coming a few days away, but Tunkeg is a threat. He's a deceptive mofo and needs to not be alive. I don't know who's who in terms of alliances yet, but I do know a dangerous guy who's setting up for a long game when I see one. Tunkeg has been jerking us around all game.
##vote: Tunkeg
If there was any equivalent of scum in this game, it'd be him. Evaluate the situation of you and your allies (if any) and realize he's the best lynch. Of course his ally-buddies will defend him, but we are many and they are 4, tops.
I guess I should thank you. If you want me lynched this early you must truly see me as the biggest threat in this game. Either that or you yourself are allied with what you would think of as the biggest threat. Or the third option you want me lynched because I went after you in my earlier posts.
And I truly don't feel the pressure, no one have pressured me once, at best people have ignored me, and there is just one thing I hate more than being ignored and that is being called dumb, I guess that will come as well soon. You say I have been complaining in thread, and that is partly true. What I have done in thread is: Begged for someone to contact me early, done some whining late on the evening when the game started, tried to spike discussions about lynches and alliances early on in the game, when people couldn't be arsed to post and now tried to apply some pressure on people who is posting nonsense.
Also I think it is quite funny that you think I am a deceptive mofo. I haven't once been scum on here, so no one would know anything about me being deceptive. On what grounds do you find me deceptive, in what games have I been anything but honest about what I say even though some of you have missinterpited my intentions. I am not sure I have been in one game with you were you haven't on some level insulted my intelligence either directly in thread, in the mafia QT's you have been in or observer QT. Now all of a sudden I am a deceptive genious who is in a big alliance. What are your motives for saying this?
I truly don't believe you consider me a threat in the way you portray me, and that you think of me as a member of a big alliance. I think you want me off only because I have mentioned you as a big player in this game, and whether I am right or wrong in you being in a big alliance you want me voted off. Also wtf is that I have bolded out above, are you guys using QT for communicating, isn't that against the rules? This basicly means that you could be talking with someone you are not allied with, and then you get alot of advantages (Like player 1 being allied with player 2 who is allied with player 3 and all of them is in a QT, then player 1 and player 3 is illeagaly communicating).
On August 15 2012 00:04 ItsMarvelBabyyy wrote: An alliance of 1 with marvelbabe is a power alliance. Booya.
Yeah, I can't see no one wanting to be in an alliance with one of the players hailed as most improved numerous times. If you aren't in a good alliance then I am the queen of england.
You're right that there were people who contacted us wanting to ally. A lot of stuff was left to me for the opening phase and between a small miscommunication between heads and some DayZ and a volleyball camp I didn't know I'd have to help run... something bad happened.
So for now lets just assume that I buy into this. Who would you want to lynch to day and why? If you are truly alone it should be no problem answering as you really can't go wrong.
This is Risen. Your question shows that you don't know my past, which is fine. My vote is going to be on BM until he dies. Since I'm a hydra I'll have to wait and see what the other head wants, but I think he wouldn't mind a d1 BM lynch.
I have played with you once I think and that was in TL Mafia LI (and maybe Arkham City), so I don't know all that much about you. But why would me knowing your past be relevant to those questions. Why do you want BM lynched? Give me some reasons, don't just put it out there.
I use QTs for 2 player PM communication to make it easy to read and avoid getting cluttered. I guess it wouldn't be allowed if you had more than one ally, nice slip there buddy.
On August 15 2012 03:35 ItsMarvelBabyyy wrote: Vikings suck really bad in all but a few circumstances which makes me question why sentinel/tunkeg fought over them ESPECIALLY since sentinel is supposed to be into aoe I thought. Did you really "fight" over them? I don't think either of you picked them high and were trying to bait people which could only happen if you were talking to each other.
I can tell you my sole reason for wanting to picking Vikings was that I am norwegian, and wanted them to have fun, and I don't think one civ is much better than the rest in this game, just different. I can't guarantee you that Sentinel picked them, but I find it pretty damn likely as I had Vikings as my first choice and at the time our civs got handed out only 3 players were above me. (4 after the move of ET but that didn't change anything).
Tunkeg I've never seen you play scum, and I don't remember you playing town, but I do know this whole game you've been setting up to avoid getting lynched. That's what I'm saying. I personally believe myself to be in a strong, solid alliance, but I can't be sure I'm not in the strongest one, and honestly I have no way of knowing what you're in.
The fact of the matter is, your constant complaining about your popularity since the moment the game starts isn't just annoying... it's suspicious. It's a big set-up. You think people are gonna buy it, but they won't. I don't think you're scummy, because I don't think there's scum. THIS GAME HAS NO SCUM. I do think you're trying to portray yourself falsely, and I think all you do is increase the amount of pressure on yourself with these flailings.
All my motives are clear: I want to win the game, and I consider you a threat. A dangerous, deceptive threat. I'll continue to argue this so that I can get other people, who are interesting in winning for themselves, to also vote for you. I believe it is optimal play.
On August 15 2012 00:04 ItsMarvelBabyyy wrote: An alliance of 1 with marvelbabe is a power alliance. Booya.
Yeah, I can't see no one wanting to be in an alliance with one of the players hailed as most improved numerous times. If you aren't in a good alliance then I am the queen of england.
You're right that there were people who contacted us wanting to ally. A lot of stuff was left to me for the opening phase and between a small miscommunication between heads and some DayZ and a volleyball camp I didn't know I'd have to help run... something bad happened.
So for now lets just assume that I buy into this. Who would you want to lynch to day and why? If you are truly alone it should be no problem answering as you really can't go wrong.
This is Risen. Your question shows that you don't know my past, which is fine. My vote is going to be on BM until he dies. Since I'm a hydra I'll have to wait and see what the other head wants, but I think he wouldn't mind a d1 BM lynch.
I have played with you once I think and that was in TL Mafia LI (and maybe Arkham City), so I don't know all that much about you. But why would me knowing your past be relevant to those questions. Why do you want BM lynched? Give me some reasons, don't just put it out there.
On August 15 2012 04:22 Blazinghand wrote: I use QTs for 2 player PM communication to make it easy to read and avoid getting cluttered. I guess it wouldn't be allowed if you had more than one ally, nice slip there buddy.
I think you slipped by saying you are using QT, I see no reason to use it for 2 persons.
On August 15 2012 04:22 Blazinghand wrote: I use QTs for 2 player PM communication to make it easy to read and avoid getting cluttered. I guess it wouldn't be allowed if you had more than one ally, nice slip there buddy.
I think you slipped by saying you are using QT, I see no reason to use it for 2 persons.
However, as you also noted it's not legal to use it for more than 2 persons.
On August 15 2012 04:28 Blazinghand wrote: Tunkeg I've never seen you play scum, and I don't remember you playing town, but I do know this whole game you've been setting up to avoid getting lynched. That's what I'm saying. I personally believe myself to be in a strong, solid alliance, but I can't be sure I'm not in the strongest one, and honestly I have no way of knowing what you're in.
The fact of the matter is, your constant complaining about your popularity since the moment the game starts isn't just annoying... it's suspicious. It's a big set-up. You think people are gonna buy it, but they won't. I don't think you're scummy, because I don't think there's scum. THIS GAME HAS NO SCUM. I do think you're trying to portray yourself falsely, and I think all you do is increase the amount of pressure on yourself with these flailings.
All my motives are clear: I want to win the game, and I consider you a threat. A dangerous, deceptive threat. I'll continue to argue this so that I can get other people, who are interesting in winning for themselves, to also vote for you. I believe it is optimal play.
So you think I am setting myself up to not be lynched by being the most active in thread? Really? I want to win this game just as much as you, and I want to be in it as long as possible. I think the only chance I have of winning this game is by going after the strongest players. It will also put me out there for you to target, but I won't play this game by lurking and not pushing what I think is best for me.
On August 15 2012 04:22 Blazinghand wrote: I use QTs for 2 player PM communication to make it easy to read and avoid getting cluttered. I guess it wouldn't be allowed if you had more than one ally, nice slip there buddy.
I think you slipped by saying you are using QT, I see no reason to use it for 2 persons.
However, as you also noted it's not legal to use it for more than 2 persons.
And I noted it because I found it peculiar that you mentioned it out of the blue. That is the basis of your slip.
On August 15 2012 04:28 Blazinghand wrote: Tunkeg I've never seen you play scum, and I don't remember you playing town, but I do know this whole game you've been setting up to avoid getting lynched. That's what I'm saying. I personally believe myself to be in a strong, solid alliance, but I can't be sure I'm not in the strongest one, and honestly I have no way of knowing what you're in.
The fact of the matter is, your constant complaining about your popularity since the moment the game starts isn't just annoying... it's suspicious. It's a big set-up. You think people are gonna buy it, but they won't. I don't think you're scummy, because I don't think there's scum. THIS GAME HAS NO SCUM. I do think you're trying to portray yourself falsely, and I think all you do is increase the amount of pressure on yourself with these flailings.
All my motives are clear: I want to win the game, and I consider you a threat. A dangerous, deceptive threat. I'll continue to argue this so that I can get other people, who are interesting in winning for themselves, to also vote for you. I believe it is optimal play.
So you think I am setting myself up to not be lynched by being the most active in thread? Really? I want to win this game just as much as you, and I want to be in it as long as possible. I think the only chance I have of winning this game is by going after the strongest players. It will also put me out there for you to target, but I won't play this game by lurking and not pushing what I think is best for me.
That's funny because I'm pretty sure that all the pretending you're not in a strong alliance was an attempt to NOT get targeted, but hey. Anyone who's in a really strong alliance doesn't care about the day phase anyways, since they'll just be zerging someone at night and trying to dodge the lynch during the day-- so you respond by playing actively and complaining about how you're all alone, to separate yourself from your allies.
Keep up the good work. Tunkeg Marvelbabbyyy clearly allies
Also if we were in an alliance, I'd tell Tunkeg to stop whining in the thread about his lack of an alliance, since it's obvious he'd be in an awesome alliance with Blazinghand, AKA "Blazinghand the Awesome"
Ok clearly we're in a power alliance and bussing, so you should vote tunkeg then? Like I see two possibilties here
1) BH and Tunkeg are driving a shitty bus: ok, Tunkeg is in a power alliance because any alliance with BH is power alliance. Lynch Tunkeg 2) BH and Tunkeg are not driving a shitty bus: ok, BH is right, lynch Tunkeg
Like, if you really think Tunkeg and I are working together, help me push this wagon on Tunkeg across the line! You'll make me very sad for lynching my buddy!
On August 15 2012 04:28 Blazinghand wrote: Tunkeg I've never seen you play scum, and I don't remember you playing town, but I do know this whole game you've been setting up to avoid getting lynched. That's what I'm saying. I personally believe myself to be in a strong, solid alliance, but I can't be sure I'm not in the strongest one, and honestly I have no way of knowing what you're in.
The fact of the matter is, your constant complaining about your popularity since the moment the game starts isn't just annoying... it's suspicious. It's a big set-up. You think people are gonna buy it, but they won't. I don't think you're scummy, because I don't think there's scum. THIS GAME HAS NO SCUM. I do think you're trying to portray yourself falsely, and I think all you do is increase the amount of pressure on yourself with these flailings.
All my motives are clear: I want to win the game, and I consider you a threat. A dangerous, deceptive threat. I'll continue to argue this so that I can get other people, who are interesting in winning for themselves, to also vote for you. I believe it is optimal play.
So you think I am setting myself up to not be lynched by being the most active in thread? Really? I want to win this game just as much as you, and I want to be in it as long as possible. I think the only chance I have of winning this game is by going after the strongest players. It will also put me out there for you to target, but I won't play this game by lurking and not pushing what I think is best for me.
That's funny because I'm pretty sure that all the pretending you're not in a strong alliance was an attempt to NOT get targeted, but hey. Anyone who's in a really strong alliance doesn't care about the day phase anyways, since they'll just be zerging someone at night and trying to dodge the lynch during the day-- so you respond by playing actively and complaining about how you're all alone, to separate yourself from your allies.
Keep up the good work. Tunkeg Marvelbabbyyy clearly allies
Here you are contridicting yourself within the same post. You say that a player in a strong alliance wouldn't need to post in thread because their alliance would just stomp anyone anyways, and then you say I am in a strong alliance because I do just that?
You literally didn't read the post you quoted, did you. The point is you're trying super hard to look like you're in a weak alliance. I get why MrZ is suspicious of us cause everything you say sounds fake and bad.
wow this is ridiculous, There are plenty of other people to lynch without going at each others throats. It is the people who are silent I am worried about. There is no doubt plenty going on in PM land and you two are busy fighting each other since your the only two talking in this thread. If there is a big alliance we might see their pull tonight as they start voting in sync with each other. This is why everyone and not just 2 people need to be talking about who they want to lynch.
On August 15 2012 05:11 Blazinghand wrote: You literally didn't read the post you quoted, did you. The point is you're trying super hard to look like you're in a weak alliance. I get why MrZ is suspicious of us cause everything you say sounds fake and bad.
Yeah, I understand thats the impression you got from me, and so be it. If the rest of the thread feels the same way and equally believes me to be a threat I'll get lynched. But your reasons for wanting to lynch me are full of contradictions all over the place. You want to lynch me because I am strong, weak, deceiving, easy to figure out, in a powerfull alliance, not in a powerfull alliance...
I say you should be considered as a lynch candidate because it is very very likely that you are in a strong alliance, period. If people don't get my logic I deserve to be lynched.
On August 15 2012 05:19 rastaban wrote: wow this is ridiculous, There are plenty of other people to lynch without going at each others throats. It is the people who are silent I am worried about. There is no doubt plenty going on in PM land and you two are busy fighting each other since your the only two talking in this thread. If there is a big alliance we might see their pull tonight as they start voting in sync with each other. This is why everyone and not just 2 people need to be talking about who they want to lynch.
Well there are basicly no one else here who is willing to discuss anything. And when BH tries to get me lynched because he feels butthurt that I mentioned him as a lynch candidate earlier you expect me to just sit by and let him do it? I'd rather get lynched then let him spit out his poison without resistance. But I have answered him enough for now, he keeps (intentionally??) missunderstanding what I write and there is no use in bicker with him anymore. Unless he ofcourse come back with some more bullshit.
I strongly disagree. It is in fact you who intentionally misunderstands what I write-- I am a nuanced person, and you go "herp derp contradictions" and are either unable to understand my arguments are are willfully blind to them. Your attempts to act too generally incapable to perform the deceptions I accuse you of are noted.
On August 15 2012 05:11 Blazinghand wrote: You literally didn't read the post you quoted, did you. The point is you're trying super hard to look like you're in a weak alliance. I get why MrZ is suspicious of us cause everything you say sounds fake and bad.
Yeah, I understand thats the impression you got from me, and so be it. If the rest of the thread feels the same way and equally believes me to be a threat I'll get lynched. But your reasons for wanting to lynch me are full of contradictions all over the place. You want to lynch me because I am strong, weak, deceiving, easy to figure out, in a powerfull alliance, not in a powerfull alliance...
I say you should be considered as a lynch candidate because it is very very likely that you are in a strong alliance, period. If people don't get my logic I deserve to be lynched.
You just quote random stuff I say and say "look he contradicts himself" when you clearly are just bad or trying to be bad in terms of understanding what i'm saying
at least when I called you out for bag logic you owned up to it. damn dude.
On August 15 2012 05:32 ItsMarvelBabyyy wrote: it's a bit bizarre, because I know I (we) haven't posted much, but some people haven't posted at all o.o
how are we supposed to proceed??
Well this isn't no ordinary Mafia game, and peoples posts aren't as much of a deciding factor to who you want to lynch as in normal games. In normal games it is random (or at least somewhat random) who is scum and who is town. Here the threats are the best players, and you should take them out first. Just like in a FFA SC2 game everyone should gang up on the best player to get him out or just give up the game to him. It is very logical, but of course the best players will deny it.
All this being said, I do agree with Rastaban that the silence of many players is trouble. Someone with several alliances going on would probably be fine just hanging out and not talking in the thread (as I mentioned earlier), and so we can expect the thread currently to be populated mostly by people who don't have good alliances and people who have good alliances who are trying to look like people who have bad alliances. What's interesting is that this means all the lurkers are either legit afk OR, and this is more likely, in good alliances. If you weren't in an alliance you'd be 100% flailing around here in the thread with us.
I'm willing to entertain a lynch of a lurker on the grounds it's likely to hit someone in a strong alliance.
On August 15 2012 05:32 ItsMarvelBabyyy wrote: it's a bit bizarre, because I know I (we) haven't posted much, but some people haven't posted at all o.o
how are we supposed to proceed??
Well this isn't no ordinary Mafia game, and peoples posts aren't as much of a deciding factor to who you want to lynch as in normal games. In normal games it is random (or at least somewhat random) who is scum and who is town. Here the threats are the best players, and you should take them out first. Just like in a FFA SC2 game everyone should gang up on the best player to get him out or just give up the game to him. It is very logical, but of course the best players will deny it.
oh good. the fact i only played AoK like once then is a distinct advantage for me
On August 15 2012 05:46 Blazinghand wrote: The threats aren't the best players you butt-garment, the threats are the best alliances. Anyone who tells you otherwise is yanking your chain.
Read the damn night rules
You are so fucking thick that it is amazing! The best players is most likely to get the best alliances. Not the best players of the fucking AoK game, but the best and most reknowned players in TL Mafia. Holy fucking hell you are annoying!
Itsmarvel is your ally-buddy I thought we went over this, still not reading my posts eh?
And you really think being reknowned is how you get good alliances? No, no more pretending please. The fact of the matter is, you are a slimy player right now. The only thing that matters is who's in big alliances.
On August 15 2012 05:11 Blazinghand wrote: You literally didn't read the post you quoted, did you. The point is you're trying super hard to look like you're in a weak alliance. I get why MrZ is suspicious of us cause everything you say sounds fake and bad.
Yeah, I understand thats the impression you got from me, and so be it. If the rest of the thread feels the same way and equally believes me to be a threat I'll get lynched. But your reasons for wanting to lynch me are full of contradictions all over the place. You want to lynch me because I am strong, weak, deceiving, easy to figure out, in a powerfull alliance, not in a powerfull alliance...
I say you should be considered as a lynch candidate because it is very very likely that you are in a strong alliance, period. If people don't get my logic I deserve to be lynched.
You just quote random stuff I say and say "look he contradicts himself" when you clearly are just bad or trying to be bad in terms of understanding what i'm saying
at least when I called you out for bag logic you owned up to it. damn dude.
On August 15 2012 04:28 Blazinghand wrote: Tunkeg I've never seen you play scum, and I don't remember you playing town, but I do know this whole game you've been setting up to avoid getting lynched. That's what I'm saying. I personally believe myself to be in a strong, solid alliance, but I can't be sure I'm not in the strongest one, and honestly I have no way of knowing what you're in.
The fact of the matter is, your constant complaining about your popularity since the moment the game starts isn't just annoying... it's suspicious. It's a big set-up. You think people are gonna buy it, but they won't. I don't think you're scummy, because I don't think there's scum. THIS GAME HAS NO SCUM. I do think you're trying to portray yourself falsely, and I think all you do is increase the amount of pressure on yourself with these flailings.
All my motives are clear: I want to win the game, and I consider you a threat. A dangerous, deceptive threat. I'll continue to argue this so that I can get other people, who are interesting in winning for themselves, to also vote for you. I believe it is optimal play.
So you think I am setting myself up to not be lynched by being the most active in thread? Really? I want to win this game just as much as you, and I want to be in it as long as possible. I think the only chance I have of winning this game is by going after the strongest players. It will also put me out there for you to target, but I won't play this game by lurking and not pushing what I think is best for me.
That's funny because I'm pretty sure that all the pretending you're not in a strong alliance was an attempt to NOT get targeted, but hey. Anyone who's in a really strong alliance doesn't care about the day phase anyways, since they'll just be zerging someone at night and trying to dodge the lynch during the day-- so you respond by playing actively and complaining about how you're all alone, to separate yourself from your allies.
Keep up the good work. Tunkeg Marvelbabbyyy clearly allies
I say you contradict youself in that post yes. And you do. because you say that a player in a strong alliance wouldn't care about the day phase. And then you resume with me obviously doing the opposite to distance myself from my allies. So in general you say a player who is in a strong alliance wouldn't bother posting during the day, but when I am posting during the day phase it is obviosuly because I know this and I am just leveling the whole thread, but then you know this and are leveling me again. It is such a weak and shitty arguement, and contradicting itself, YES!
You are like one of those morons who think shouting louder in an arguements will help them win the arguement regardless of what they are saying.
On August 15 2012 05:51 Blazinghand wrote: Itsmarvel is your ally-buddy I thought we went over this, still not reading my posts eh?
And you really think being reknowned is how you get good alliances? No, no more pretending please. The fact of the matter is, you are a slimy player right now. The only thing that matters is who's in big alliances.
And we both are doing what you think is the exact same thing. WoW you must think we are the biggest morons in the world. But then we aren't because we are smart and tricky. You are something out of the ordinary.
You don't think being reknowned makes it easier to get into an alliance? Are you for real? Of course the only thing that matters is who is in big alliances, but I am saying it is more likely that you are in one then me. I have said this before and I will say it again. After the fucking game is over we can ask the players of this game who they would rather team up with just to prove my point.
On August 15 2012 05:43 Blazinghand wrote: Like, remember this?
On August 15 2012 05:24 Tunkeg wrote:
On August 15 2012 05:11 Blazinghand wrote: You literally didn't read the post you quoted, did you. The point is you're trying super hard to look like you're in a weak alliance. I get why MrZ is suspicious of us cause everything you say sounds fake and bad.
Yeah, I understand thats the impression you got from me, and so be it. If the rest of the thread feels the same way and equally believes me to be a threat I'll get lynched. But your reasons for wanting to lynch me are full of contradictions all over the place. You want to lynch me because I am strong, weak, deceiving, easy to figure out, in a powerfull alliance, not in a powerfull alliance...
I say you should be considered as a lynch candidate because it is very very likely that you are in a strong alliance, period. If people don't get my logic I deserve to be lynched.
You just quote random stuff I say and say "look he contradicts himself" when you clearly are just bad or trying to be bad in terms of understanding what i'm saying
at least when I called you out for bag logic you owned up to it. damn dude.
On August 15 2012 04:28 Blazinghand wrote: Tunkeg I've never seen you play scum, and I don't remember you playing town, but I do know this whole game you've been setting up to avoid getting lynched. That's what I'm saying. I personally believe myself to be in a strong, solid alliance, but I can't be sure I'm not in the strongest one, and honestly I have no way of knowing what you're in.
The fact of the matter is, your constant complaining about your popularity since the moment the game starts isn't just annoying... it's suspicious. It's a big set-up. You think people are gonna buy it, but they won't. I don't think you're scummy, because I don't think there's scum. THIS GAME HAS NO SCUM. I do think you're trying to portray yourself falsely, and I think all you do is increase the amount of pressure on yourself with these flailings.
All my motives are clear: I want to win the game, and I consider you a threat. A dangerous, deceptive threat. I'll continue to argue this so that I can get other people, who are interesting in winning for themselves, to also vote for you. I believe it is optimal play.
So you think I am setting myself up to not be lynched by being the most active in thread? Really? I want to win this game just as much as you, and I want to be in it as long as possible. I think the only chance I have of winning this game is by going after the strongest players. It will also put me out there for you to target, but I won't play this game by lurking and not pushing what I think is best for me.
That's funny because I'm pretty sure that all the pretending you're not in a strong alliance was an attempt to NOT get targeted, but hey. Anyone who's in a really strong alliance doesn't care about the day phase anyways, since they'll just be zerging someone at night and trying to dodge the lynch during the day-- so you respond by playing actively and complaining about how you're all alone, to separate yourself from your allies.
Keep up the good work. Tunkeg Marvelbabbyyy clearly allies
I say you contradict youself in that post yes. And you do. because you say that a player in a strong alliance wouldn't care about the day phase. And then you resume with me obviously doing the opposite to distance myself from my allies. So in general you say a player who is in a strong alliance wouldn't bother posting during the day, but when I am posting during the day phase it is obviosuly because I know this and I am just leveling the whole thread, but then you know this and are leveling me again. It is such a weak and shitty arguement, and contradicting itself, YES!
You are like one of those morons who think shouting louder in an arguements will help them win the arguement regardless of what they are saying.
You can CALL me a moron, but my arguments stand for themselves, and your equivocations and fallacies are so transparent as to seem fake. There's a REASON people think you're faking your argument with me, and perhaps some critical self-examination is in order.
Let me make things absolutely clear re: what's happening right now:
1) players in strong alliances are lurking 2) some players in strong alliances, and some players in weak alliances, are talking
If you have multiple allies, then #1 is probably a pretty decent play. But if all your buddies are doing it, someone should at least do #2, right?
Alternatively, you're Tunkeg and have been trying to get town-cred by calling blazing out long before alliances even began to get formed, because you're mad about... I don't actually know what you're mad about, it makes no sense.
So basically you're in a strong alliance.
My goals for today: Lynch someone who is in strong alliance chains, like Tunkeg, or a lurker.
On August 15 2012 05:51 Blazinghand wrote: Itsmarvel is your ally-buddy I thought we went over this, still not reading my posts eh?
And you really think being reknowned is how you get good alliances? No, no more pretending please. The fact of the matter is, you are a slimy player right now. The only thing that matters is who's in big alliances.
And we both are doing what you think is the exact same thing. WoW you must think we are the biggest morons in the world. But then we aren't because we are smart and tricky. You are something out of the ordinary.
You don't think being reknowned makes it easier to get into an alliance? Are you for real? Of course the only thing that matters is who is in big alliances, but I am saying it is more likely that you are in one then me. I have said this before and I will say it again. After the fucking game is over we can ask the players of this game who they would rather team up with just to prove my point.
You argument: "Blazinghand is more famous than me blah blah" My argument: all the stuff you've been saying and doing all game
I think it's pretty clear what's going on here, and you calling yourself a moron is like wut
Look, your so-called "case" against me (one behind which you still haven't voted, because you don't want it to look like OMGUS) is based just literally on the fact that I'm Blazinghand. You've got some horrible misanalysises of some of my posts, but basically that's it.
Mine is based on stern logic and your actions this game. That's all. You're playing like a guy who REALLY REALLY wants to appearto be in a weak alliance. Which is how most people feel, but you're hamming it up so hard, it's obvious what you're covering up several allies. I bet they're all shitting themselves about how much exposure you've drawn. Maybe like Marv they plan on supporting you. Maybe they'll bus you. But they'll all be weaker once you're dead, and the goal of the lynch is to deal with the strongest alliance in the game. I'm here to hunt, not base things on weird vendettas against well-liked players or whatever.
On August 15 2012 05:43 Blazinghand wrote: Like, remember this?
On August 15 2012 05:24 Tunkeg wrote:
On August 15 2012 05:11 Blazinghand wrote: You literally didn't read the post you quoted, did you. The point is you're trying super hard to look like you're in a weak alliance. I get why MrZ is suspicious of us cause everything you say sounds fake and bad.
Yeah, I understand thats the impression you got from me, and so be it. If the rest of the thread feels the same way and equally believes me to be a threat I'll get lynched. But your reasons for wanting to lynch me are full of contradictions all over the place. You want to lynch me because I am strong, weak, deceiving, easy to figure out, in a powerfull alliance, not in a powerfull alliance...
I say you should be considered as a lynch candidate because it is very very likely that you are in a strong alliance, period. If people don't get my logic I deserve to be lynched.
You just quote random stuff I say and say "look he contradicts himself" when you clearly are just bad or trying to be bad in terms of understanding what i'm saying
at least when I called you out for bag logic you owned up to it. damn dude.
On August 15 2012 04:49 Blazinghand wrote:
On August 15 2012 04:45 Tunkeg wrote:
On August 15 2012 04:28 Blazinghand wrote: Tunkeg I've never seen you play scum, and I don't remember you playing town, but I do know this whole game you've been setting up to avoid getting lynched. That's what I'm saying. I personally believe myself to be in a strong, solid alliance, but I can't be sure I'm not in the strongest one, and honestly I have no way of knowing what you're in.
The fact of the matter is, your constant complaining about your popularity since the moment the game starts isn't just annoying... it's suspicious. It's a big set-up. You think people are gonna buy it, but they won't. I don't think you're scummy, because I don't think there's scum. THIS GAME HAS NO SCUM. I do think you're trying to portray yourself falsely, and I think all you do is increase the amount of pressure on yourself with these flailings.
All my motives are clear: I want to win the game, and I consider you a threat. A dangerous, deceptive threat. I'll continue to argue this so that I can get other people, who are interesting in winning for themselves, to also vote for you. I believe it is optimal play.
So you think I am setting myself up to not be lynched by being the most active in thread? Really? I want to win this game just as much as you, and I want to be in it as long as possible. I think the only chance I have of winning this game is by going after the strongest players. It will also put me out there for you to target, but I won't play this game by lurking and not pushing what I think is best for me.
That's funny because I'm pretty sure that all the pretending you're not in a strong alliance was an attempt to NOT get targeted, but hey. Anyone who's in a really strong alliance doesn't care about the day phase anyways, since they'll just be zerging someone at night and trying to dodge the lynch during the day-- so you respond by playing actively and complaining about how you're all alone, to separate yourself from your allies.
Keep up the good work. Tunkeg Marvelbabbyyy clearly allies
I say you contradict youself in that post yes. And you do. because you say that a player in a strong alliance wouldn't care about the day phase. And then you resume with me obviously doing the opposite to distance myself from my allies. So in general you say a player who is in a strong alliance wouldn't bother posting during the day, but when I am posting during the day phase it is obviosuly because I know this and I am just leveling the whole thread, but then you know this and are leveling me again. It is such a weak and shitty arguement, and contradicting itself, YES!
You are like one of those morons who think shouting louder in an arguements will help them win the arguement regardless of what they are saying.
You can CALL me a moron, but my arguments stand for themselves, and your equivocations and fallacies are so transparent as to seem fake. There's a REASON people think you're faking your argument with me, and perhaps some critical self-examination is in order.
Let me make things absolutely clear re: what's happening right now:
1) players in strong alliances are lurking 2) some players in strong alliances, and some players in weak alliances, are talking
If you have multiple allies, then #1 is probably a pretty decent play. But if all your buddies are doing it, someone should at least do #2, right?
Alternatively, you're Tunkeg and have been trying to get town-cred by calling blazing out long before alliances even began to get formed, because you're mad about... I don't actually know what you're mad about, it makes no sense.
So basically you're in a strong alliance.
My goals for today: Lynch someone who is in strong alliance chains, like Tunkeg, or a lurker.
Other goals: make tunkeg stop talking lol
I am not calling you a moron. I am comparing you to one. I never call people stupid in these games, unless I get really mad.
And yeah obviously players in strong alliances are lurking, only you and me are talking, with some silly one liners from others. Two is probably also right because I still think you are in a strong alliance. The last one about me calling you out for being mad at you is wrong, I called you out because as I have said a billion times you are one of the player more likely to be in a strong alliance.
And obviously anyone who don't want to lynch a player in a strong alliance is not getting this game. So that goes without saying.
Your final goal is easily achieved, I will be going to bed soon.
I leave for work and suddenly this thread lights up like a Christmas tree...
On August 15 2012 03:35 ItsMarvelBabyyy wrote: Vikings suck really bad in all but a few circumstances which makes me question why sentinel/tunkeg fought over them ESPECIALLY since sentinel is supposed to be into aoe I thought. Did you really "fight" over them? I don't think either of you picked them high and were trying to bait people which could only happen if you were talking to each other.
Wait I'm into AoE? I played it as a little kid and haven't touched the series in god knows how long. I just wanted a race I like and seeing as I loved water maps and ships and stuff, I decided to pick races that were into water maps and ships and stuff.
And of course I picked them high, I was top on the draft... So unless I'm lying through every possible gap in my teeth it's pretty much a given.
I'll need to reread Tunkeg and BH's argument a few more times later on because right now I just can't think it through. I get the gist of both sides but not enough to form my own opinion.
Until then, I want to see more people actually posting in this thread. Please.
On August 15 2012 05:51 Blazinghand wrote: Itsmarvel is your ally-buddy I thought we went over this, still not reading my posts eh?
And you really think being reknowned is how you get good alliances? No, no more pretending please. The fact of the matter is, you are a slimy player right now. The only thing that matters is who's in big alliances.
And we both are doing what you think is the exact same thing. WoW you must think we are the biggest morons in the world. But then we aren't because we are smart and tricky. You are something out of the ordinary.
You don't think being reknowned makes it easier to get into an alliance? Are you for real? Of course the only thing that matters is who is in big alliances, but I am saying it is more likely that you are in one then me. I have said this before and I will say it again. After the fucking game is over we can ask the players of this game who they would rather team up with just to prove my point.
You argument: "Blazinghand is more famous than me blah blah" My argument: all the stuff you've been saying and doing all game
I think it's pretty clear what's going on here, and you calling yourself a moron is like wut
Look, your so-called "case" against me (one behind which you still haven't voted, because you don't want it to look like OMGUS) is based just literally on the fact that I'm Blazinghand. You've got some horrible misanalysises of some of my posts, but basically that's it.
Mine is based on stern logic and your actions this game. That's all. You're playing like a guy who REALLY REALLY wants to appearto be in a weak alliance. Which is how most people feel, but you're hamming it up so hard, it's obvious what you're covering up several allies. I bet they're all shitting themselves about how much exposure you've drawn. Maybe like Marv they plan on supporting you. Maybe they'll bus you. But they'll all be weaker once you're dead, and the goal of the lynch is to deal with the strongest alliance in the game. I'm here to hunt, not base things on weird vendettas against well-liked players or whatever.
Again I haven't called myself moron. I am saying you must think I am a moron. I don't have a case on you. I am not sure if I even want you to be the one lynched on day 1, there are other reknowned players in this game who might be a better choice. But I am stating the fact, more reknowned players will more easily get into good alliances, I can't believe you trying to deny that.
Also if people read your posts they will see that you basicly admit you are in a powerfull alliance, and you are not trying to hide it. You have made some obvious slips.
And again you just disregard an element to this game that is really important. You will never admit it, not even after the game, but you know I am right about it. I am not sure the players in the game will agree though, and let the stronger players just pummel them.
Uh yeah obviously I'm in a good alliance, I'm a good player of this game. I doubt I'm in the strongest one, but I daresay I played pretty well prior to D1. Why, are you still sticking to your "I'm in a shit alliance" story?
Uh yeah obviously I'm in a good alliance, I'm a good player of this game, whether you compare me to a moron or not. I doubt I'm in the strongest one, but I daresay I played pretty well prior to D1. I put in some serious work rather than whining in the thread. Why, are you still sticking to your "I'm in a shit alliance" story?
On August 15 2012 06:26 Blazinghand wrote: Uh yeah obviously I'm in a good alliance, I'm a good player of this game. I doubt I'm in the strongest one, but I daresay I played pretty well prior to D1. Why, are you still sticking to your "I'm in a shit alliance" story?
I don't think I have mentioned anything about my alliances since day one, when I didn't receive a pm before I sent out mine and went to bed. But you have a strange way of reading my post, so you might have interpid me that way.
On August 15 2012 06:26 Tunkeg wrote: Anyways I am going to bed now. So now you can fire up your propaganda machine BH, since I won't be around to correct all your faulty logic.
LOL if my logic were really faulty people will point it out without your help. The sad truth is that it is in fact your logic that is faulty, and intentionally so. The name-calling is no good.
Come, friends, Tunkeg is clearly in a strong alliance, and he's also not on your team (probably), so why not kill him? If you can make a good argument that some lurker is better, go ahead, but honestly this seems pretty open and shut to me.
On August 15 2012 06:26 Blazinghand wrote: Uh yeah obviously I'm in a good alliance, I'm a good player of this game. I doubt I'm in the strongest one, but I daresay I played pretty well prior to D1. Why, are you still sticking to your "I'm in a shit alliance" story?
I don't think I have mentioned anything about my alliances since day one, when I didn't receive a pm before I sent out mine and went to bed. But you have a strange way of reading my post, so you might have interpid me that way.
Dude you're constantly saying you're an unpopular player, and that all the popular players have good alliances. Are you seriously saying you haven't said anything about your own alliances when that's like all you talk about?
And you CLAIM you didn't recieve a PM, but I don't believe you, not one bit.
So the impressive argument between BH and Tunkeg seems to be almost 100% bitching about bitching.
But Tunkeg's quality is slightly less so I'm going after him. Here is why I think Tunkeg is in an alliance.
Fair enough. My point is that there are players more likely to gang up and make strong alliances then others. A way to start figuring out who is talking with eachother is by people starting to post. I am not afraid to stick my neck out here, and therefor I am going to say I suspect Blazinghand to be forming a strong alliance like that. So BH come out and play, tell me that you aren't. I could name 4 players who I am pretty sure is talking with eachother, but for now I will settle with BH being a center in an alliance. What do the rest of you guys think, will you let a BH alliance just roflstomp this game?
If you could name 4 players, go ahead and name them. I have a feeling that this entire post is pretty much posturing and trying to make yourself look like the little guy. Nice pathos there at the end of that paragraph btw.
On August 13 2012 05:34 Blazinghand wrote: But... we're literally not in the phase where you can make alliances. Are you even playing this game? Did you read the rules? You're doing a good job of trying to convince me you're not in charge of a big group, but the newb card can only be played so much before it looks suspicious.
But that is not what I am trying to discuss. I am trying to discuss who is more likely to get a strong good group going. Everyone wants to be in a strong alliance, but not all are able to achieve it. You get a good strong group by reputation, more people want to team up with someone with a good reputation. I could mention opthers who are highly regarded here as well who is very likely to getinto a poweralliance.
And fyi I am not playing the newb card, I am not a newb, I am playing the no one in this game likes me card...
...and again. Point being, pretty much all he does for this section of the filter is complain that nobody wants to ally with him and that BH is scum because he's a vet. Now there is a grain of truth here - vets are more likely to receive PM's because they know their shit and people would want to ally with them.
But the flipside to that is, who do the not-vets PM? You claim to be a guy who nobody likes, so who would you PM? A famous veteran? But the veteran is probably checking out people he knows to ally with him. No, the logical choice is another not-vet. I think the alliance mechanic would be seen as more useful by a not-vet and an alliance chain would be much easier to set up.
The argument I'm making here is that you're in an alliance with 1-3 other lesser-known players. BH may or may not be in an alliance of his own, BUT his alliance would be almost certainly smaller than yours, because he would have a much tighter PM chain and not need the additional backup.
On August 15 2012 05:11 Blazinghand wrote: You literally didn't read the post you quoted, did you. The point is you're trying super hard to look like you're in a weak alliance. I get why MrZ is suspicious of us cause everything you say sounds fake and bad.
Yeah, I understand thats the impression you got from me, and so be it. If the rest of the thread feels the same way and equally believes me to be a threat I'll get lynched. But your reasons for wanting to lynch me are full of contradictions all over the place. You want to lynch me because I am strong, weak, deceiving, easy to figure out, in a powerfull alliance, not in a powerfull alliance...
I say you should be considered as a lynch candidate because it is very very likely that you are in a strong alliance, period. If people don't get my logic I deserve to be lynched.
I (or we) want to lynch you because you are strong appearing to be weak, deceiving appearing easy to figure out, in a powerful alliance appearing not to be in a powerful alliance. And I'll end my argument with that because then I'll be treading on BH's toes or just making this thing recurse again and recursion is NOT on my agenda.
As for marvel, he's just dicking around. He's not contributing anything valuable, but he's not hiding anything either, at least not yet. I'm staying neutral on him until he posts stronger stuff that I may properly judge him.
On August 13 2012 05:34 Blazinghand wrote: I can assure you 100% i'm trying to form a powerful alliance with every tool at my disposal, btw. But whether or not this is successful I won't know until the alliance phase happens and I see who's allying me back
On August 15 2012 04:28 Blazinghand wrote: Tunkeg I've never seen you play scum, and I don't remember you playing town, but I do know this whole game you've been setting up to avoid getting lynched. That's what I'm saying. I personally believe myself to be in a strong, solid alliance, but I can't be sure I'm not in the strongest one, and honestly I have no way of knowing what you're in.
The fact of the matter is, your constant complaining about your popularity since the moment the game starts isn't just annoying... it's suspicious. It's a big set-up. You think people are gonna buy it, but they won't. I don't think you're scummy, because I don't think there's scum. THIS GAME HAS NO SCUM. I do think you're trying to portray yourself falsely, and I think all you do is increase the amount of pressure on yourself with these flailings.
All my motives are clear: I want to win the game, and I consider you a threat. A dangerous, deceptive threat. I'll continue to argue this so that I can get other people, who are interesting in winning for themselves, to also vote for you. I believe it is optimal play.
It's weird picking a lynch with no scum, but I'm absolutely interested in killing someone who is claiming to be in a strong, solid alliance. Anybody not in this alliance with BH should be interested as well.
My gut feeling on Tunkeg is that he has 0-1 alliance buddies. But we'll see on that.
On August 13 2012 05:34 Blazinghand wrote: I can assure you 100% i'm trying to form a powerful alliance with every tool at my disposal, btw. But whether or not this is successful I won't know until the alliance phase happens and I see who's allying me back
On August 15 2012 04:28 Blazinghand wrote: Tunkeg I've never seen you play scum, and I don't remember you playing town, but I do know this whole game you've been setting up to avoid getting lynched. That's what I'm saying. I personally believe myself to be in a strong, solid alliance, but I can't be sure I'm not in the strongest one, and honestly I have no way of knowing what you're in.
The fact of the matter is, your constant complaining about your popularity since the moment the game starts isn't just annoying... it's suspicious. It's a big set-up. You think people are gonna buy it, but they won't. I don't think you're scummy, because I don't think there's scum. THIS GAME HAS NO SCUM. I do think you're trying to portray yourself falsely, and I think all you do is increase the amount of pressure on yourself with these flailings.
All my motives are clear: I want to win the game, and I consider you a threat. A dangerous, deceptive threat. I'll continue to argue this so that I can get other people, who are interesting in winning for themselves, to also vote for you. I believe it is optimal play.
It's weird picking a lynch with no scum, but I'm absolutely interested in killing someone who is claiming to be in a strong, solid alliance. Anybody not in this alliance with BH should be interested as well.
My gut feeling on Tunkeg is that he has 0-1 alliance buddies. But we'll see on that.
##vote Blazinghand
24 hours later s0L comes out of the woodwork to vote BH while simultaneously defending his ally Tunkeg?
from my standpoint, strong alliances need to die first. BH has two things going for him
-is a mafia regular, has friends/familiar faces in this game who will probably look his way -has claimed openly that he is in a solid alliance
I'd rather not kill Tunkeg because I don't really buy that he is in a big alliance. His goals and my goals can temporarily overlap, in that I'm assuming he wants to see big alliances die too.
On August 15 2012 11:00 s0Lstice wrote: it's real easy
from my standpoint, strong alliances need to die first. BH has two things going for him
-is a mafia regular, has friends/familiar faces in this game who will probably look his way -has claimed openly that he is in a solid alliance
I'd rather not kill Tunkeg because I don't really buy that he is in a big alliance. His goals and my goals can temporarily overlap, in that I'm assuming he wants to see big alliances die too.
I still don't like the timing of your coming out with the defense, but what you've done makes sense I guess.
You're not earning any credits with me Marvel. I think s0lstice' case is on its face reasonable, but on the other hand, I don't see what's wrong with me claiming to be in a strong position. I'll come out and say it: I actually have two allies. I'm in a strong position.
Depending on who dies today and tonight, that could easily change.
That being said, I'm a mafia regular. I have friends etc who will probably look my way. I'm a charismatic guy, and well-liked. I'm popular with the ladies and basically people want to be me. I make a lot of money and have a cute girlfriend. The point is, I'm not jerking you guys around, and honestly I don't think I'd be able to. Anyone who plays with me regularly knows I'm really bad at lying and playing scum. Astonishingly bad. Like, I can't coach newbie scum games because that's how bad I am.
So I'm being honest, and I don't think I'm in the strongest alliance. I think that town will probably lynch me tomorrow after we lynch Tunkeg, but that doesn't bother me too much-- I want to help out my buddies as much as possible, since if they win, I win. And right now, that means attacking during the day whoever is stronger than me. That's Tunkeg.
Maybe you don't like my style and my openness, but I guarantee you 100% if I weren't pressuring and talking I'd be lynched already.
Most of you aren't in Tunkeg's group with s0lstice and Marvel. I want you to think to yourself about lynching Tunkeg. He's two-faced, he's been talking out both sides of his mouth and lying. I'm an honest guy, and I've stated my motives plainly. Do you really think Tunkeg has 0-1 allies? There's probably only a couple people in this game like that, and honestly Tunkeg isn't one of them. Bill Murray might be, and Sinensis MIGHT be, but not Tunkeg. Look at the posting as the alliance phase draws to a close. Most of us have ~2 allies (since on average you'll be PMing with 2 people), and a few have 0-1 allies and a few have 3 I suppose, lined up.
Tunkeg has stopped flailing around and asking for PMs. he's hasn't tried to make an alliance in-thread. He's calmly arguing with me and Sent about Vikings. That's it. These actions are not motivated by a guy who is in a small alliance. The motives for acting like this is that you're comfortable. A Tunkeg who was really cornered would have been flailing for an alliance, any alliance, at the end of the phase.
But he wasn't.
Of course, once the day starts Tunkeg immediately tries to "scumhunt" or what have you, and to his credit this is somewhat convincing at first. But the more he argues, the more it becomes clear this is someone who is lying, who has something to hide, and who isn't doing a terribly good job of it.
Tunkeg needs to be lynched. S0lstice may not be his ally-buddy, he might just be a sucker-- we'll have to see.
Basically, I have been finishing up my exams the past 3 days. In order words, I havent anything with the game as of yet other than a quick chat with fulla. That was the main reason I hydra'd, because I realised that there would probably be a period of time wherein I had to afk.
Fulla himself is pretty busy with work too it seems. I will be pretty free for quite a while now that exams are over, thus I will be alot more active and stuff.
The primary question as of now is this: What do we do with our D1 lynch? I am of the mindset that we should indeed focus on players with good positions in terms of aillances.
Regarding the targerts that have come up today, I would be perfectly fine with a BH lynch. 2 aillances is a pretty decent position, and he might even have 3 (It is a very smart move to lie and say you have 2 aillances - It is a "decent" position but not an overly strong one, AND people will be less likely to doubt you considering that you claimed a rather high amount. Etc. if BH claimed having just 1 there will be a lot more doubt on that, and doing things this way he can get some attention of himself). Would not mind getting rid of him.
Tunkeg has been pretty dammed noisy so far. I do agree with his statement that more "well-known" players are much more likely to secure strong positions due to being in a position where it is fairly likely people would send BH more PMs. However, I do agree with BH on one thing - the fact that tunkeg didnt actually ask the thread for aillances is one worrying thing. He claims to not have gotten a single PM - whilst I personally find that rather plausible, he did have the capability to send out one, and I think it is likely that he managed to get into a decent aillance through that one PM. Not a bad lynch definately.
Speaking of which I doubt these 2 are ailled, makes hardly any sense to push an ally to the extent that one of you gets lynched. I highly doubt bussing is going to come into play this game, primilarly due to a lack of aillance flips.
I dont buy BM's "no ailles" bullshit. I also like how rastaban and zentor both call for activity but do shit themselves. haha.
In those 2 currently proposed, I would most definately prefer BH. Why? He himself has claimed that he is already in a strong position, and as such makes a perfectly fine lynch. Compared to that, whilst I do believe that Tunkeg could be part of a large aillance, it is more of a light hunch of mine. I much rather lynch the self-claimed player in a strong position than a player who has a chance to be in a strong position.
That was zel in case you wanted us to sign our posts. It is also just my opinion, since I havent had a chance to actually talk to fulla properlly (f timezones)
Fair enough. My point is that there are players more likely to gang up and make strong alliances then others. A way to start figuring out who is talking with eachother is by people starting to post. I am not afraid to stick my neck out here, and therefor I am going to say I suspect Blazinghand to be forming a strong alliance like that. So BH come out and play, tell me that you aren't. I could name 4 players who I am pretty sure is talking with eachother, but for now I will settle with BH being a center in an alliance. What do the rest of you guys think, will you let a BH alliance just roflstomp this game?
If you could name 4 players, go ahead and name them. I have a feeling that this entire post is pretty much posturing and trying to make yourself look like the little guy. Nice pathos there at the end of that paragraph btw.
On August 13 2012 05:34 Blazinghand wrote: But... we're literally not in the phase where you can make alliances. Are you even playing this game? Did you read the rules? You're doing a good job of trying to convince me you're not in charge of a big group, but the newb card can only be played so much before it looks suspicious.
But that is not what I am trying to discuss. I am trying to discuss who is more likely to get a strong good group going. Everyone wants to be in a strong alliance, but not all are able to achieve it. You get a good strong group by reputation, more people want to team up with someone with a good reputation. I could mention opthers who are highly regarded here as well who is very likely to getinto a poweralliance.
And fyi I am not playing the newb card, I am not a newb, I am playing the no one in this game likes me card...
...and again. Point being, pretty much all he does for this section of the filter is complain that nobody wants to ally with him and that BH is scum because he's a vet. Now there is a grain of truth here - vets are more likely to receive PM's because they know their shit and people would want to ally with them.
But the flipside to that is, who do the not-vets PM? You claim to be a guy who nobody likes, so who would you PM? A famous veteran? But the veteran is probably checking out people he knows to ally with him. No, the logical choice is another not-vet. I think the alliance mechanic would be seen as more useful by a not-vet and an alliance chain would be much easier to set up.
The argument I'm making here is that you're in an alliance with 1-3 other lesser-known players. BH may or may not be in an alliance of his own, BUT his alliance would be almost certainly smaller than yours, because he would have a much tighter PM chain and not need the additional backup.
On August 15 2012 05:11 Blazinghand wrote: You literally didn't read the post you quoted, did you. The point is you're trying super hard to look like you're in a weak alliance. I get why MrZ is suspicious of us cause everything you say sounds fake and bad.
Yeah, I understand thats the impression you got from me, and so be it. If the rest of the thread feels the same way and equally believes me to be a threat I'll get lynched. But your reasons for wanting to lynch me are full of contradictions all over the place. You want to lynch me because I am strong, weak, deceiving, easy to figure out, in a powerfull alliance, not in a powerfull alliance...
I say you should be considered as a lynch candidate because it is very very likely that you are in a strong alliance, period. If people don't get my logic I deserve to be lynched.
I (or we) want to lynch you because you are strong appearing to be weak, deceiving appearing easy to figure out, in a powerful alliance appearing not to be in a powerful alliance. And I'll end my argument with that because then I'll be treading on BH's toes or just making this thing recurse again and recursion is NOT on my agenda.
As for marvel, he's just dicking around. He's not contributing anything valuable, but he's not hiding anything either, at least not yet. I'm staying neutral on him until he posts stronger stuff that I may properly judge him.
So basicly you are just regurgitating what BH is saying?
And you also manage to say that BH is probably in a smaller but tighter alliance than I am, but mine are likely to be bigger. A tight alliance would in my book be stronger than being in a big alliance where everyone is likely to backstab eachother. But still your logic is that I am the bigger threat. You are either in bed with BH, or you are just not thinking it through. Because what you are writing isn't making sense.
On August 15 2012 18:34 Fulblade wrote: Right. Reason for shit activity below. + Show Spoiler +
Basically, I have been finishing up my exams the past 3 days. In order words, I havent anything with the game as of yet other than a quick chat with fulla. That was the main reason I hydra'd, because I realised that there would probably be a period of time wherein I had to afk.
Fulla himself is pretty busy with work too it seems. I will be pretty free for quite a while now that exams are over, thus I will be alot more active and stuff.
The primary question as of now is this: What do we do with our D1 lynch? I am of the mindset that we should indeed focus on players with good positions in terms of aillances.
Regarding the targerts that have come up today, I would be perfectly fine with a BH lynch. 2 aillances is a pretty decent position, and he might even have 3 (It is a very smart move to lie and say you have 2 aillances - It is a "decent" position but not an overly strong one, AND people will be less likely to doubt you considering that you claimed a rather high amount. Etc. if BH claimed having just 1 there will be a lot more doubt on that, and doing things this way he can get some attention of himself). Would not mind getting rid of him.
Tunkeg has been pretty dammed noisy so far. I do agree with his statement that more "well-known" players are much more likely to secure strong positions due to being in a position where it is fairly likely people would send BH more PMs. However, I do agree with BH on one thing - the fact that tunkeg didnt actually ask the thread for aillances is one worrying thing. He claims to not have gotten a single PM - whilst I personally find that rather plausible, he did have the capability to send out one, and I think it is likely that he managed to get into a decent aillance through that one PM. Not a bad lynch definately.
Speaking of which I doubt these 2 are ailled, makes hardly any sense to push an ally to the extent that one of you gets lynched. I highly doubt bussing is going to come into play this game, primilarly due to a lack of aillance flips.
I dont buy BM's "no ailles" bullshit. I also like how rastaban and zentor both call for activity but do shit themselves. haha.
In those 2 currently proposed, I would most definately prefer BH. Why? He himself has claimed that he is already in a strong position, and as such makes a perfectly fine lynch. Compared to that, whilst I do believe that Tunkeg could be part of a large aillance, it is more of a light hunch of mine. I much rather lynch the self-claimed player in a strong position than a player who has a chance to be in a strong position.
##vote: Blazinghand
Altough you are voting BH you are pretty much pissing all over me here. You say I claim to not have gotten a single PM, and that is somewhat true, I didn't receive a single PM at the time before I went to bed on the first day, after this I haven't claimed anything about the PM's.
Then you proceed to say that because I didn't ask in thread about alliances I am definatly in a good alliance? WTF is this? The only one who did this is BM, and I am pretty sure that is just posing. I would never ask for an alliance in thread, because those alliances are fucking useless. Why are you even calling me out on this when 11 other players, included yourself didn't do this?
Tight as in if they allied they would know each other better. If you're in a backstabbing alliance, you've got bigger problems. The whole point of mafia is to play to win, and if your alliance isn't doing that I hope they enjoy their ban.
I'm offering a second viewpoint on BH's case and presented some new information. You're just regurgitating what you were saying three pages ago.
Na tunkeg, what I am saying is that I simply put, as BH says, dont believe that you would take the time to agure about vikings when you dont have a decent aillance secured. Obviously this could be wrong, which is why I am voting BH - because he is 100% in a decent position.
Also my mistake regarding the PM thing - that was my assumption from your posting.
The reason I am calling you out on this is because you were the only one following the following. 1) Being extermely active in thread. 2) Complaning about your position regarding aillances.
I definately agree BM is 99% posing though. I would like to know why BH believes him so easily when he says that he has no aillances.
Thread so quiet. I'll be going to sleep till after the deadline due to the fact that I am dead tired. Fulla is probably going to come on later so he can change our vote if need be.
BM and I go way back, like cheese and ranch dressing-- made to be put on seafood together
I'm pretty sure Tunkeg is screwing with us. All joking aside, there's no way he'd be so calm at the end of the alliance phase given how freaked-out he was earlier unless he was seriously feeling pretty comfortable with his setup. This isn't even a meta thing, this is just comparing "Tunkeg during start of PMs phase" to "Tunkeg at the end of alliance phase" and there's a huge difference. He's pulling all the strings around here
Tunkeg you definitely are coming across a bit dodgy. I find it hard to believe you are a loner. I suspect atleast 1 ally.
I agree with my Zel half tho, BH you've admitted being in a strong alliance, then it's only a matter of time before you win unless we lynch. Tunkeg day 2, BH today you seem to the biggest threat to everyone.
this distincting between a large number of allies and a strong alliance is false. larger is literally better, because it means in the night phase you can do bigger combined attacks. If you think I'm in a small but "strong" alliance, that's fine, and if you think that Tunkeg is in a big but "weak" alliance, that's also fine, but if you think both those things AND think that I'm a bigger threat than Tunkeg during the nightphase, your premise doesn't follow your conclusion. I definitely think I'm a bigger threat than he is during the dayphase, but I've done my best to be open and honest and to mitigate that-- I'm almost certainly getting lynched tomorrow. And no matter how much you say it, you KNOW that if tunkeg lives through today, he'll weasel his way out of things tomorrow. That's the kind of guy he is.
In any case, stop drawing a distinction where there's no difference. There's like no reason to break an alliance except in the late late game, so now that the alliances are set in stone your allies are basically trustworthy. Tunkeg's swarm of allies is easily stronger than my 2 allies, but once he's dead, they won't be. I want him dead, and honestly, unless you think your group is stronger than his, you want him dead to. Vote in your own self-interest. Vote tunkeg.
Plus, all you guys who think having 2 allies is like the best thing are full of crap. On average, each person sent one PM and received one PM, putting them in contact with 2 people. Barring some supreme incompetence or unluck (or, of course, treachery) most players should have 2 allies. Some players will have 1 ally. Some will have 3.
# of allies is so important it's unreal. Any AoK battle is basically determined by who has more stuff barring big compositional or terrain elements, which there won't be much of. Tunkeg has more allies than me, so I can't kill him at night. My only hope is to get him lynched.
Man, of course I'm in a strong alliance. I'm freaking Blazinghand, literally the most experienced player in all of TL Mafia. At the dawn of time, when the world was yet unborn and gods roved through the cosmos, it was I who molded Qatol out of the stellar mud, and I who formed Incog from the stardust that gathered throughout the galaxy.
The reason I'm trying to lynch Tunkeg is I literally don't think I'll be able to kill him with my allies. And do you think anyone will trust each other enough to gang up on him with people not in their alliance? It'd be a fun trick to convince other people to attack Tunkeg then bail and let them get owned.
If you make everybody fear Tunkeg I don't see why someone won't.
Convincing people to vote Tunkeg out of fear is the same as convincing people to attack Tunkeg out of fear, the only difference is that the attacks are anonymous until the next day.
I dunno, you want to kill Tunkeg so badly, so you try.
Dude, it's TOTALLY different. Attacking uses vital resources, risks losing units, and is anonymous and you don't know if your army will die or if you'll get betrayed or attacked while you're out. Doing it against a strong alliance is dumb.
The Lynch is much safer, and is what should be used against big alliances. attacks are for fighting people weaker than you.
Look if I really thought I was stronger than Tunkeg I wouldn't be trying to lynch him, I'd just wait until night and kill him because I could. I really really don't think my allies have a chance of killing Tunkeg at night, and honestly I have ZERO confidence that some sort of non-allied coalition will take him and his buddies down. Think about it, you know it's true.
Also obviously if you lynch me, my allies definitely won't be able to kill Tunkeg. They won't be able to win in my stead, and his hordes will overrun everyone and we'll die etc etc. So there is that, too.
If you lynch Tunkeg D1, me and my allies will be stronger and more likely to do what we want to do N1. If you lynch me D1 my alliance is shattered.
From your point of view, there isn't a huge amount of difference, except that Tunkeg is likely in a larger alliance, as you mentioned, and that's more dangerous. Even if you lynch him tonight, his buddies might be together and decently strong, but not overwhelming. Alliance size is the most important factor, and so you should lynch out of the largest alliance first.
Also, Tunkeg has been playing to avoid suspicion and appear weak. And for what it's worth, he's done a better job of it than me, though I haven't really been trying to appear weak. But my #1 goal is to get him lynched, and to get him lynched before his enormous alliance can take night actions, against you or against me or against anyone else. He's a tricky dude, and honestly people seem to actually believe his tripe (well, some people. could just be his ally-buddies so far). I think that without me to push him, he won't get lynched. That's basically it. You can say what you want about me, but say this: if I have one skill, it's getting money. And if I have two skills, it's getting money and tunneling someone.
Look at this push on Tunkeg and tell me that you can get him lynched without my fanaticism. Tell me that honestly, and if you really think that, AND you want to lynch the less tricky guy in the smaller alliance first, I think you need to play more intelligently. Tunkeg is the real threat here.
Well if BH's alliance and Tunkeg's alliance want to wipe each other out, that's great for the rest of us. Best we can do is even the playing field for them and just let them duke it out?
No, no that's a terrible idea and you're bad for suggesting it. It's in your interest to lynch both of us, not neither of us, and it's in your interest to lynch tunkeg first since he's slimier and his alliance is bigger and more dangerous.
Well, the other head isn't around atm so I'm going to ##vote: Tunkeg for a few major reasons.
1) The other head said I wasn't allowed to vote BM. 2) Tunkeg has been super passive-aggressive and deceitful. 3) BH said he was in a strong alliance... How does that work in BH's favor? Because at least he was honest about it. AFAIK BM (if I take him at his word) and I are the only stags here, so we're not going to win unless the game rules change (they're not going to). I'd rather an honest person win than someone who has tried to mislead people ((see: Vikings r awesum d00dz and I don't buy your "but I'm a Viking IRL!" justification, I think you were trying to screw people into picking Vikings & combine that with your frantic trying to find an ally and then your change into not desperately looking for an ally))
I feel like this is a game of survivor and BM/I are already on the voting council.
On August 16 2012 03:51 ItsMarvelBabyyy wrote: Well, the other head isn't around atm so I'm going to ##vote: Tunkeg for a few major reasons.
1) The other head said I wasn't allowed to vote BM. 2) Tunkeg has been super passive-aggressive and deceitful. 3) BH said he was in a strong alliance... How does that work in BH's favor? Because at least he was honest about it. AFAIK BM (if I take him at his word) and I are the only stags here, so we're not going to win unless the game rules change (they're not going to). I'd rather an honest person win than someone who has tried to mislead people ((see: Vikings r awesum d00dz and I don't buy your "but I'm a Viking IRL!" justification, I think you were trying to screw people into picking Vikings & combine that with your frantic trying to find an ally and then your change into not desperately looking for an ally))
I feel like this is a game of survivor and BM/I are already on the voting council.
this isn't mafia, there is no "town" everyone is lying to everyone and everyone is out for themselves and their limited allies
BH just said he was in a powerful alliance, in a game where after 2 or 3 deaths a big alliance can become overpowering to the entire game.
The only way everyone can work together for our "lynch" is to root out powerful alliances. There is probably not an overpowered civ, tunk doesn't seem to be making any friends, why would we lynch someone that is weak?
"tunk doesn't seem to be making any friends" are you kidding me? This guy with no friends just pulled like 4 votes out of his ass and plopped them on me, most of them just saying "herp derp blazinghand in strong alliance"
the fact of the matter is, this game probably has 2-3 strong alliances and some stragglers. Tunkeg's is the strongest and we can't afford not to lynch him first.
On August 16 2012 04:03 Blazinghand wrote: "tunk doesn't seem to be making any friends" are you kidding me? This guy with no friends just pulled like 4 votes out of his ass and plopped them on me, most of them just saying "herp derp blazinghand in strong alliance"
the fact of the matter is, this game probably has 2-3 strong alliances and some stragglers. Tunkeg's is the strongest and we can't afford not to lynch him first.
You already said you were in a 3-man alliance (and you may have lied and are in a 4-man one). We don't know if Tunkeg is in a 4-man, 3-man or 2-man one. I and Matt think it's unlikely he's in a 4-man one, maybe even a 3-man one.
So you are the safest lynch for everybody that's not on your alliance.
People voting you are not "friends" with Tunkeg. If this were double-lynch I doubt many would oppose lynching you both.
People voting me try hard not to look like "friends" with tunkeg, but they almost certainly are.
The fact of the matter is, most people in this game have 2 allies, even if everyone in the thread likes to go around pretending they're alone or have 1 ally or whatever. That's just the way the game works out with the PM setup. I'm certainly in a comfortable alliance, but all you guys voting me need to realize: most people in this game have about the same number of allies as me. Just because I'm willing to say it doesn't mean I'm a mastermind of some huge alliance: that's not me, that's tunkeg.
My goal is to lynch someone who I'm absolutely sure I can't just kill tonight. And that's tunkeg. I honestly think his group will send out a couple of attacks, clean up a couple more dudes overnight, and then bam we're down to like 9 players, 4 of whom are Tunkeg & co. And if there's infighting amongst the smaller factions, and someone kilsl someone else? then it's 8 players, 4 of whom are Tunkeg and co.
All I'm saying is, lynch tunkeg first. You want to lynch me tomorrow? fine! but for your own good, and the good of my allies and myself, let's kill tunkeg now.
lol are you trying to manipulate us based on your "hunch" that Tunkeg is an AoE mastermind who will win the game RIGHT NOW IF WE DON'T STOP HIM?
Do you have any additional info about him perhaps? Did you scout him and were told he had like 10000 militia or something? If not, then you have nothing other than your hunch (which me+Matt believe is wrong).
My goal is to lynch someone who I'm absolutely sure I can't just kill tonight
Why is that? It's D1, everybody starts the same way. Nobody has 100 troops and 3 castles and is in the final age or anything. And even if Tunkeg was in a 4-man alliance no ally of his would trade him all their troops and stuff to avoid getting him killed (since they would be completely defenseless then). Everybody is in the same position as you and me Why is Tunkeg "unkillable" but not someone else?
Your scenario of there being 8 players by tomorrow is implausible too. Nobody will send rash attacks against everybody on N1 (and at most only few will do so), since if you attack you are the most exposed this cycle (since you don't have shit in terms of troops).
You say you are being "honest" but you are even worse than Tunkeg about this.
On August 16 2012 04:45 Blazinghand wrote: Everyone voting against me including you
So Tunkeg's alliance is already completely outed. If this is the case then "our" alliance is completely harmless right? You can vote us off any time you want any day if we get "powerful and destroy everything in our path using the power of the Norse God Tunkeg!" like you say.
If this is the case, then there is little sense in lynching someone belonging to a "weak" (is already outed) alliance on D1. So, by your own statements we can conclude you should be lynched instead
Ok so clearly nobody has thought this game through very well, as evidenced by the most recent post against me. I'll explain with a little bit of game theory. Let's say you have a group of 2 people, and you're up against another group of 2 people. You have two options: Combined Attack, Combined Defence, and Nothing. 2 armies will beat one army and kill the player behind it, but can be stopped by 2 armies.
If you do Nothing and the other team does a Combined Attack, you lose an ally or you die. Game over. If you do nothing and the other team does nothing, nothing happens. If you do a Combined Attack and the other team does a Combined attack, 2 players die, it's even. If you do a Combined Attack and the other team does nothing, you kill an enemy. It's impossible to be safe in this game. This isn't Black Forest where you can mass troops on your "border ally". This is a game where people WILL die to combined assaults, and you can't do anything to stop it. The only thing you can do is play smart.
On August 16 2012 04:45 Blazinghand wrote: Everyone voting against me including you
So Tunkeg's alliance is already completely outed. If this is the case then "our" alliance is completely harmless right? You can vote us off any time you want any day if we get "powerful and destroy everything in our path using the power of the Norse God Tunkeg!" like you say.
If this is the case, then there is little sense in lynching someone belonging to a "weak" (is already outed) alliance on D1. So, by your own statements we can conclude you should be lynched instead
Look, the optimal play in this game is to mass up troops, for a combined attack. If 2 players attack you, and you trade armies with the first one, you have NO ARMY. This means that the second attack AUTO KILLS YOU. You are removed from the game. This is so damn strong it's unbelievable.
No because there aren't 2 2-man groups in this game. Yes, if someone makes a combined assault they may take out another alliance or "stand better" like you post it, but they are open to attacks of different alliances.
They are vulnerable ANYWAYS. If you have 1 army, and you're attacked by 2 armies, even if you fend off the first one, the second one shows up and you AUTO LOSE.
Read the OP.
There's NO DOWNSIDE to attacking other than potentially losing your army during the attack.
If someone sends less troops you can survive if you leave some of them to defend.
If you assume everybody will attack with ALL their troops, then yes you are right, you'll get killed anyway. But that's a circular argument: People should attack with all their troops because if they are attacked by someone who sent all their troops then they will die anyway.
If you assume people will attack with half their troops, then sending out all your troops isn't the best option either since you could defend yourself with half your troops as well
if people attack with half their troops, then sending out all your troops OR defending with all your troops is BY FAR a better option. You've played AoK, right? In big-number fights, if one side outnumbers the other it's a brutal slaughter.
In fact, attacking with half your troops is a shit idea cause it's just throwing away half your troops agaisnt anyone who full defends, and throwing away the other half if anyone full attacks you.
Off-topic? It's not off-topic at all. We're talking about optimal play. Your army is probably not double the size of anyone's army, ... but you can certainly do that via attacks if your alliance is 4 people!
You're just getting nervous because I'm revealing the truth, the truth about this game and about night actionss.
The point is that I actually agree with you, 4-way alliances are very dangerous and we need to kill them. The thing is that you are shifting your argument to make it seem you are right about killing Tunkeg which is why I disagree with you.
Anyways, you are more likely in a larger alliance than Tunkeg (and one that's not "outed" as you say it), which is why I think you should be lynched instead. That's my final answer.
If someone can show me conclusive proof someone else is in a 4-man alliance then I'll be happy to go vote them. Tunkeg "not being desperate last day" and "making it seem he didn't got a PM" aren't conclusive evidence he's in a 4-man alliance, not even a 3-man one (remember he acted all "everybody hates me" before alliances were even made).
I think Tunkeg is allied with some of the lurkers in this thread. One - it would make sense by his logic since vets would seek each other out so he'd go and ally with the lesser known players, and this gem:
On August 11 2012 08:31 Tunkeg wrote: OK guys here's the deal. I want a strong alliance, with no traitors. No one have PM'ed me yet, and some of the players who have made their prescence in thread known have allready confirmed that they are in PM land. So for those of you who have written in thread since the game started don't bother chosing me for PM partner as I won't speak to you (as I fear you hare plotting with someone else). This means the only PM's I will respond to is:
On August 16 2012 05:31 Sir Posts A Lot wrote: The point is that I actually agree with you, 4-way alliances are very dangerous and we need to kill them. The thing is that you are shifting your argument to make it seem you are right about killing Tunkeg which is why I disagree with you.
Anyways, you are more likely in a larger alliance than Tunkeg (and one that's not "outed" as you say it), which is why I think you should be lynched instead. That's my final answer.
If someone can show me conclusive proof someone else is in a 4-man alliance then I'll be happy to go vote them. Tunkeg "not being desperate last day" and "making it seem he didn't got a PM" aren't conclusive evidence he's in a 4-man alliance, not even a 3-man one (remember he acted all "everybody hates me" before alliances were even made).
But that's hte point! Remember how he acted all "everybody hates me"? REMEMBER THAT? this was at the start of the PM phase. By the end of the alliance phase HE WAS TOTALLY CHILL. That's a MASSIVE CHANGE. MASSIVE. He was arguing about other crap instead of PMs. It wasn't on his mind, he wasn't freaking out, he was fine.
What else coupld possibly explain his huge shift in attitude? He obviously developed a PM network and relaxed.
On August 16 2012 05:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I think Tunkeg is allied with some of the lurkers in this thread. One - it would make sense by his logic since vets would seek each other out so he'd go and ally with the lesser known players, and this gem:
On August 11 2012 08:31 Tunkeg wrote: OK guys here's the deal. I want a strong alliance, with no traitors. No one have PM'ed me yet, and some of the players who have made their prescence in thread known have allready confirmed that they are in PM land. So for those of you who have written in thread since the game started don't bother chosing me for PM partner as I won't speak to you (as I fear you hare plotting with someone else). This means the only PM's I will respond to is:
On August 16 2012 05:31 Sir Posts A Lot wrote: The point is that I actually agree with you, 4-way alliances are very dangerous and we need to kill them. The thing is that you are shifting your argument to make it seem you are right about killing Tunkeg which is why I disagree with you.
Anyways, you are more likely in a larger alliance than Tunkeg (and one that's not "outed" as you say it), which is why I think you should be lynched instead. That's my final answer.
If someone can show me conclusive proof someone else is in a 4-man alliance then I'll be happy to go vote them. Tunkeg "not being desperate last day" and "making it seem he didn't got a PM" aren't conclusive evidence he's in a 4-man alliance, not even a 3-man one (remember he acted all "everybody hates me" before alliances were even made).
But that's hte point! Remember how he acted all "everybody hates me"? REMEMBER THAT? this was at the start of the PM phase. By the end of the alliance phase HE WAS TOTALLY CHILL. That's a MASSIVE CHANGE. MASSIVE. He was arguing about other crap instead of PMs. It wasn't on his mind, he wasn't freaking out, he was fine.
What else coupld possibly explain his huge shift in attitude? He obviously developed a PM network and relaxed.
Okay then, Tunkeg is allied with just 1 other guy then (he would still be chill in that case, specially if nobody else PMed him previously)
Tunkeg->2 man alliance Blazinghand->3 man alliance
Is this right then? Why can't Tunkeg be allied with just 1 guy? I don't want to lynch a guy allied to just 1 guy if it means guys in stronger alliances are running free.
On August 16 2012 05:31 Sir Posts A Lot wrote: The point is that I actually agree with you, 4-way alliances are very dangerous and we need to kill them. The thing is that you are shifting your argument to make it seem you are right about killing Tunkeg which is why I disagree with you.
Anyways, you are more likely in a larger alliance than Tunkeg (and one that's not "outed" as you say it), which is why I think you should be lynched instead. That's my final answer.
If someone can show me conclusive proof someone else is in a 4-man alliance then I'll be happy to go vote them. Tunkeg "not being desperate last day" and "making it seem he didn't got a PM" aren't conclusive evidence he's in a 4-man alliance, not even a 3-man one (remember he acted all "everybody hates me" before alliances were even made).
But that's hte point! Remember how he acted all "everybody hates me"? REMEMBER THAT? this was at the start of the PM phase. By the end of the alliance phase HE WAS TOTALLY CHILL. That's a MASSIVE CHANGE. MASSIVE. He was arguing about other crap instead of PMs. It wasn't on his mind, he wasn't freaking out, he was fine.
What else coupld possibly explain his huge shift in attitude? He obviously developed a PM network and relaxed.
Okay then, Tunkeg is allied with just 1 other guy then (he would still be chill in that case, specially if nobody else PMed him previously)
Tunkeg->2 man alliance Blazinghand->3 man alliance
Is this right then? Why can't Tunkeg be allied with just 1 guy? I don't want to lynch a guy allied to just 1 guy if it means guys in stronger alliances are running free.
Okay, maybe, but that guy probably has a buddy! that he PMed! And bam instantly you have a 3-person cricular alliance assuming the guy coordinates it.
It's SO EASY to make a 2-person alliance in this game, since everyone has a PM. And honestly, if Tunkeg were in a 1-person alliance he'd still show SOME effort to try to draw PMs, not LITERALLY NO EFFORT. He was in the thread and just talking about other shit, after the huge whirlwind of whining earlyer.
do you really think he's got 1 ally only? It's certainly possible. And again, I might have 2 allies, but that's not even the strongest way of running things.
but I think that tunkeg's actions indicate that he's part of a strong alliance. I think he's been dishonest, and anyone who's afraid of a guy who has 2 allies is jumping to kill off a weaker group instead of a stronger one! There's a better lynch today.
I'm voting for Tunkeg. Besides the fact that Tunkeg sounds like a great big liar about not having any allies, Blazinghand seems like he's more likely to get attacked tonight by the people who want to get rid of him. I don't see BH as as big a threat as the people who want to get rid of him do, so if they want to attack him and have their units die, that benefits me.
On August 16 2012 06:03 Blazinghand wrote: Wat why would people attack me at night, I'm gonna get lynched tomorrow almost certainly if I'm not lynched today
not that I dont' like the vote on tunkeg though
A lot of things can change by tomorrow. If people are that scared of you (I don't see why to be honest) then they won't want to wait until tomorrow to lynch you, when scouting could reveal bigger threats, some of the supporting vote players could be killed in night attacks, etc. I think attitudes in this game will be very fickle, and if the people hard-core pushing you really want to see you dead that badly, they'll try to make sure of it tonight, or they might not get another chance.
Hmmm BH, I get the feeling your allies are stacking up in your camp. Look at the lack of reasoning for those votes. Sir Posts A Lot, seems the most clear minded person in this thread. Unlike you and tunkeng he actually is using valid points. ##Vote: Blazinghand
On August 16 2012 06:11 rastaban wrote: Hmmm BH, I get the feeling your allies are stacking up in your camp. Look at the lack of reasoning for those votes. Sir Posts A Lot, seems the most clear minded person in this thread. Unlike you and tunkeng he actually is using valid points. ##Vote: Blazinghand
I'm sorry you come out of the blue and vote with no support/attack of any actual player, and then complain that the people voting on Tunkeg have no support/attack on other players?
On August 16 2012 06:11 rastaban wrote: Hmmm BH, I get the feeling your allies are stacking up in your camp. Look at the lack of reasoning for those votes. Sir Posts A Lot, seems the most clear minded person in this thread. Unlike you and tunkeng he actually is using valid points. ##Vote: Blazinghand
I'm sorry you come out of the blue and vote with no support/attack of any actual player, and then complain that the people voting on Tunkeg have no support/attack on other players?
That doesn't add up at all.
Ah but guess what, better yet I get to tie the vote so they both die :D 2 for 1 if you ask me.
On August 16 2012 06:11 rastaban wrote: Hmmm BH, I get the feeling your allies are stacking up in your camp. Look at the lack of reasoning for those votes. Sir Posts A Lot, seems the most clear minded person in this thread. Unlike you and tunkeng he actually is using valid points. ##Vote: Blazinghand
I'm sorry you come out of the blue and vote with no support/attack of any actual player, and then complain that the people voting on Tunkeg have no support/attack on other players?
That doesn't add up at all.
It doesn't matter, nobody has any reasoning for any of their votes, yourself included, because nobody seems to care who gets lynched. There are 4 groups of people in here:
1) people who are in tunkeg's camp and voting me and make up crap reasons 2) people who are in my camp and voting tunkeg and make up crap reasons 3) people who have crap reasons and are voting for either tunkeg or me 4) other
Look, if you're not in either camp, just think about it LOGICALLY. Tunkeg is the bigger threat. His allies are obfuscating the truth about how the night phase works. Lynch me tomorrow. Please lynch me tomorrow and not today, and lynch tunkeg now. I want my allies to have a chance to win, and if we don't lynch tunkeg, he'll be unstoppable.
On August 16 2012 06:11 rastaban wrote: Hmmm BH, I get the feeling your allies are stacking up in your camp. Look at the lack of reasoning for those votes. Sir Posts A Lot, seems the most clear minded person in this thread. Unlike you and tunkeng he actually is using valid points. ##Vote: Blazinghand
I'm sorry you come out of the blue and vote with no support/attack of any actual player, and then complain that the people voting on Tunkeg have no support/attack on other players?
That doesn't add up at all.
It doesn't matter, nobody has any reasoning for any of their votes, yourself included, because nobody seems to care who gets lynched. There are 4 groups of people in here:
1) people who are in tunkeg's camp and voting me and make up crap reasons 2) people who are in my camp and voting tunkeg and make up crap reasons 3) people who have crap reasons and are voting for either tunkeg or me 4) other
Look, if you're not in either camp, just think about it LOGICALLY. Tunkeg is the bigger threat. His allies are obfuscating the truth about how the night phase works. Lynch me tomorrow. Please lynch me tomorrow and not today, and lynch tunkeg now. I want my allies to have a chance to win, and if we don't lynch tunkeg, he'll be unstoppable.
like, i get it if you don't think you should care which one of us gets lynched, but you really really should lynch tunkeg first. Nobody has a chance to win if he can run away with this game. Don't let his allies fool you with their talk of "this isn't a prisoner's dilemma" and "people won't attack". Read the night phase rules. We have to stop the strongest group, or they'll dominate really hard. There's a reason there's a lynch in this game, and it's to balance out the OP groups.
On August 16 2012 06:11 rastaban wrote: Hmmm BH, I get the feeling your allies are stacking up in your camp. Look at the lack of reasoning for those votes. Sir Posts A Lot, seems the most clear minded person in this thread. Unlike you and tunkeng he actually is using valid points. ##Vote: Blazinghand
I'm sorry you come out of the blue and vote with no support/attack of any actual player, and then complain that the people voting on Tunkeg have no support/attack on other players?
That doesn't add up at all.
It doesn't matter, nobody has any reasoning for any of their votes, yourself included, because nobody seems to care who gets lynched. There are 4 groups of people in here:
1) people who are in tunkeg's camp and voting me and make up crap reasons 2) people who are in my camp and voting tunkeg and make up crap reasons 3) people who have crap reasons and are voting for either tunkeg or me 4) other
Look, if you're not in either camp, just think about it LOGICALLY. Tunkeg is the bigger threat. His allies are obfuscating the truth about how the night phase works. Lynch me tomorrow. Please lynch me tomorrow and not today, and lynch tunkeg now. I want my allies to have a chance to win, and if we don't lynch tunkeg, he'll be unstoppable.
We are lynching both of you, is that ok?
It's infinitely preferable to just lynching me. I approve, but only if it's impossible to only lynch tunkeg.
Ok, so it is over for me now I guess. I hope BH and his friends roflstomp you silly lot and takes this game, just so I can step back into the thread and tell you I told you so. Lynching me over him got to be the most stupid move in a TL Mafia game ever. Look at who is so obvious voting with him. ET is 100% allied with him and so is Atki Wiglegs. I wouldn't be surprised if Its marvel is the last. It is so god damn obvious. And you guys will look so foolish when this poweralliance win this game. It is right in front of you guys, but you guys don't seem to get it. I congratulate the big guns with pulling this game off, even if I tried to warn you.
On August 16 2012 06:11 rastaban wrote: Hmmm BH, I get the feeling your allies are stacking up in your camp. Look at the lack of reasoning for those votes. Sir Posts A Lot, seems the most clear minded person in this thread. Unlike you and tunkeng he actually is using valid points. ##Vote: Blazinghand
I'm sorry you come out of the blue and vote with no support/attack of any actual player, and then complain that the people voting on Tunkeg have no support/attack on other players?
That doesn't add up at all.
It doesn't matter, nobody has any reasoning for any of their votes, yourself included, because nobody seems to care who gets lynched. There are 4 groups of people in here:
1) people who are in tunkeg's camp and voting me and make up crap reasons 2) people who are in my camp and voting tunkeg and make up crap reasons 3) people who have crap reasons and are voting for either tunkeg or me 4) other
Look, if you're not in either camp, just think about it LOGICALLY. Tunkeg is the bigger threat. His allies are obfuscating the truth about how the night phase works. Lynch me tomorrow. Please lynch me tomorrow and not today, and lynch tunkeg now. I want my allies to have a chance to win, and if we don't lynch tunkeg, he'll be unstoppable.
We are lynching both of you, is that ok?
It's infinitely preferable to just lynching me. I approve, but only if it's impossible to only lynch tunkeg.
just in case Tunkeg has a confederate standing by for a last minute unvote of him and revote of me, could you possibly hang out at the deadline, rasta, and make sure?
when is the deadline for day actions and the lynch?
On August 16 2012 06:11 rastaban wrote: Hmmm BH, I get the feeling your allies are stacking up in your camp. Look at the lack of reasoning for those votes. Sir Posts A Lot, seems the most clear minded person in this thread. Unlike you and tunkeng he actually is using valid points. ##Vote: Blazinghand
As an aside, Rasta is like 75% certain to be one of tunkeg's allies.
On August 16 2012 06:11 rastaban wrote: Hmmm BH, I get the feeling your allies are stacking up in your camp. Look at the lack of reasoning for those votes. Sir Posts A Lot, seems the most clear minded person in this thread. Unlike you and tunkeng he actually is using valid points. ##Vote: Blazinghand
I'm sorry you come out of the blue and vote with no support/attack of any actual player, and then complain that the people voting on Tunkeg have no support/attack on other players?
That doesn't add up at all.
It doesn't matter, nobody has any reasoning for any of their votes, yourself included, because nobody seems to care who gets lynched. There are 4 groups of people in here:
1) people who are in tunkeg's camp and voting me and make up crap reasons 2) people who are in my camp and voting tunkeg and make up crap reasons 3) people who have crap reasons and are voting for either tunkeg or me 4) other
Look, if you're not in either camp, just think about it LOGICALLY. Tunkeg is the bigger threat. His allies are obfuscating the truth about how the night phase works. Lynch me tomorrow. Please lynch me tomorrow and not today, and lynch tunkeg now. I want my allies to have a chance to win, and if we don't lynch tunkeg, he'll be unstoppable.
We are lynching both of you, is that ok?
It's infinitely preferable to just lynching me. I approve, but only if it's impossible to only lynch tunkeg.
just in case Tunkeg has a confederate standing by for a last minute unvote of him and revote of me, could you possibly hang out at the deadline, rasta, and make sure?
On August 16 2012 06:11 rastaban wrote: Hmmm BH, I get the feeling your allies are stacking up in your camp. Look at the lack of reasoning for those votes. Sir Posts A Lot, seems the most clear minded person in this thread. Unlike you and tunkeng he actually is using valid points. ##Vote: Blazinghand
I'm sorry you come out of the blue and vote with no support/attack of any actual player, and then complain that the people voting on Tunkeg have no support/attack on other players?
That doesn't add up at all.
It doesn't matter, nobody has any reasoning for any of their votes, yourself included, because nobody seems to care who gets lynched. There are 4 groups of people in here:
1) people who are in tunkeg's camp and voting me and make up crap reasons 2) people who are in my camp and voting tunkeg and make up crap reasons 3) people who have crap reasons and are voting for either tunkeg or me 4) other
Look, if you're not in either camp, just think about it LOGICALLY. Tunkeg is the bigger threat. His allies are obfuscating the truth about how the night phase works. Lynch me tomorrow. Please lynch me tomorrow and not today, and lynch tunkeg now. I want my allies to have a chance to win, and if we don't lynch tunkeg, he'll be unstoppable.
We are lynching both of you, is that ok?
It's infinitely preferable to just lynching me. I approve, but only if it's impossible to only lynch tunkeg.
just in case Tunkeg has a confederate standing by for a last minute unvote of him and revote of me, could you possibly hang out at the deadline, rasta, and make sure?
yeah, I will be watching how things go down.
I find this acceptable. however, I would also like it if someone besides rastaban who has a vote on me and plans on lynching tunkeg could also be standing by.
I say this because I suspect most of the votes against me are Tunkeg supporters, and there's a strong chance rastaban is one of them, especially given his initial extremely shoddy justification for his vote on me.
Tunkeg I think whatever happens will be dead by day 2 or end of day 2. I can't see him surviving long. If he does anything but fortify himself/get help tonight he's going to get stomped.
BH I consider smarter, more capable and a resourceful player. 100% in an alliance and a strong one. Although he says just lynch me day 2, I can see him getting out of this and ending up the winning game in the long run.
To quote one of my favorite games of all time, "I'm siding with the evil I know over the evil I don't."
That's from Brood War by the way.
I have a feeling both of these guys are in alliances. That much is a given. That much is not being disputed. But I've seen BH play scum before and I've seen BH play town before. I've seen him with lots to hide and I've seen him with nothing to hide. The way he talks now, the self-assurance he has now - that's how he talks when he has little to hide.
Tunkeg I know nothing about. I've never seen him play scum and I've never seen him play town. This is my first game with him. I don't know jack about his style or how he lies.
TL;DR - I'm going to side with my gut and assume BH is not in the big 4-man alliance, but Tunkeg is or at least has a bigger chance of being in it.
On August 14 2012 23:02 rastaban wrote: You mentioned buildings could be one of our production options, are the costs the same as they were in the game?
Yes.
Can our special units be built from the start, if not, do the require castle age? Do they take a special building (castle)
Can't be built till castle age, don't require a building but can only build 1 batch max per day.
If you have multiple buildings of the same type it costs only one production choice to produce out of all of them. E.g. If you have two barracks you can produce units out of both (two batches) for one production choice.
Deadline in a little over an hour. Not sure where one of my cohosts is so I'll try to get that votecount out ASAP.
Well, everything seems to be looking ok. Let's just make sure nothing weird happens between now and deadline, eh? If sinensis shows up he should throw his vote on Tunkeg or not vote at all.
I don't suppose anyone is around who wants to listen to a final hour plea on why we need to kill tunkeg and not me this turn?
10 minutes until lynch! All this excitement to see how it'll play out is giving me the hershey squirts... although that may just be the french fries w/ applesauce I was eating this morning
I have no advice to give you guys, though I've left a message for each of my allies. Typically as a townie if I'd get lynched I'd try to be helpful or give reads, but that's not this kind of game. It was fun while it lasted, though.
So, if you're reading this, and you're not my buddy: I hereby declare you a HAT-STITCHER of the highest degree, with everything that entails. May your alliances crumble, your walls falter, your men desert, and your crops rot in their fields! May the wrath of a thousand angry Marauders concuss you! May your wives weep and your children perish! May your pant zipper get caught and embarrassingly require you to walk around with your fly unzipped!
A thousand curses on all who oppose me! Let them suffer! Let them perish! Let their suffering be exquisite!
Thanks to WBG, austimcc, and hassybaby for making this all possible.
Across the continent great empires began to build. Partnerships were formed among often unlikely allies, and the beginnings of a new age were appearing.
Sinensis, ruler of the Persians, found himself at the helm of an empire he could not control. His people rebelled at his incompetence and he was trampled by elephants. The Persian people scattered without a leader, their power having been vanquished along with him.
Meanwhile, Tunkeg and Blazinghand found themselves at the command of two large Frankish and Byzantine armies bent on destroying each other. Empires took sides among the conflict, but there truly was no winner. Both leaders were brutally slaughtered by enemies on the field of battle. Their people were crushed in defeat, and soon both empires will cease to exist for the foreseeable future.
Sinensis, of the Persians, has been defeated. Tunkeg, of the Franks, has been defeated. Blazinghand, of the Byzantines, has been defeated.
Night actions due at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) NOTE THAT THIS IS ONE HOUR BEFORE THE DEADLINE.
This is so that my cohost and I can actually get together all the actions and resolve them during that one hour.
I have been receiving a lot of questions about defeating a player through attacks and I realize I've failed to provide an adequate answer. So:
Attacking rules:
MUST USE AT LEAST HALF YOUR UNITS.
If there are no defenses or very few (something dumb like 2-3 units; basically, if the attacker takes no losses) and you possess some sort of melee or siege units (whether it be cavalry or infantry for melee) I will defeat the player.
If you only have archers this will not happen.
In the case of there being reasonable defenses, you'll kill everything and all the player's production buildings will be lost but he will still live. You will have to successfully attack a second time to defeat him, whether it be by an ally or a second night attack the next night.
So, again, to clarify:
Attackers must use at least half of their existing units. No specification = all are used.
If the attacker loses next to nothing in the assault (he overwhelms the opponent) the opponent will simply be defeated.
If the defense is reasonably sized but still loses, the attacker has to come a second time (or a second attacker will vanquish the target)
In the case of walls they're just removed and the attack is over.
If that double lynch was the result of manipulation, then the alliances of BH/Tunkeg are either really small (0-1 allies each) or were all in on each other; I find it strange there was no last minute switch. Guess the principles of mafia are out the window on this game (your whole team voting for your "mislynch" no es bueno).
Blazinghand (5+1) (TUNKEGS BUDDIES) s0lstice Fulblade Sir Posts a Lot MrZentor rastaban I suspect that all of BH's allies were voting for Tunkeg. If any were voting for BH himself, they should've voteswitched because in this game, as power grows exponentionally, letting yourself be "known" isn't as bad as in a standard game. There's no "towncred" to be won sticking on your allies lynch. Since I'm not allied with BH (uh oh spoiler) and BM claims to be solo, that means Sentinel, Marvel, and Atki are likely allied with BH. I don't buy marvel's "I'm solo" nonsense; only an idiot or someone who was backstabbed would be unallied, and I think highly of that duo to not let that happen. Marvel might also be solo, but if you want to sink BH's ship, Atki/Sentinel are obvious targets for lynch/attack.
Some amount of solstice, fulblade, sir posts, zentor, and rastaban are allied with Tunkeg. I'm not allied with Tunkeg because why would I vote him lol, I would've done last minute unvote. I'm guessing there's two factions in between the five of you? Since BH's alliance is pretty obviously drawn out, it would probably be in your best interest to finish off the scraps, while posturing an advantage over each other. It's pretty clear who is on each faction, just with a few random stragglers.
On August 16 2012 10:30 EchelonTee wrote: Didn't expect this bloodbath lol...
If that double lynch was the result of manipulation, then the alliances of BH/Tunkeg are either really small (0-1 allies each) or were all in on each other; I find it strange there was no last minute switch. Guess the principles of mafia are out the window on this game (your whole team voting for your "mislynch" no es bueno).
Blazinghand (5+1) (TUNKEGS BUDDIES) s0lstice Fulblade Sir Posts a Lot MrZentor rastaban I suspect that all of BH's allies were voting for Tunkeg. If any were voting for BH himself, they should've voteswitched because in this game, as power grows exponentionally, letting yourself be "known" isn't as bad as in a standard game. There's no "towncred" to be won sticking on your allies lynch. Since I'm not allied with BH (uh oh spoiler) and BM claims to be solo, that means Sentinel, Marvel, and Atki are likely allied with BH. I don't buy marvel's "I'm solo" nonsense; only an idiot or someone who was backstabbed would be unallied, and I think highly of that duo to not let that happen. Marvel might also be solo, but if you want to sink BH's ship, Atki/Sentinel are obvious targets for lynch/attack.
Some amount of solstice, fulblade, sir posts, zentor, and rastaban are allied with Tunkeg. I'm not allied with Tunkeg because why would I vote him lol, I would've done last minute unvote. I'm guessing there's two factions in between the five of you? Since BH's alliance is pretty obviously drawn out, it would probably be in your best interest to finish off the scraps, while posturing an advantage over each other. It's pretty clear who is on each faction, just with a few random stragglers.
Where do I lie? I dunno, you figure it out.
LINES ARE DRAWN, WHO WILL YOU SIDE WITH??
I have a serious problem with this post, but the one major thing I want to ask is why do you think anyone is going to attack another person night one? That's such a huge risk for someone to take.
so I take it you'll be attacking someone tonight Marvel? ;D
anyway, 3 deaths is pretty extreme. people who aren't linked to any of those guys should feel happy. I won't say exactly how happy I am at this time, you'll have to guess.
On August 16 2012 10:55 s0Lstice wrote: so I take it you'll be attacking someone tonight Marvel? ;D
anyway, 3 deaths is pretty extreme. people who aren't linked to any of those guys should feel happy. I won't say exactly how happy I am at this time, you'll have to guess.
On August 16 2012 10:30 EchelonTee wrote: Didn't expect this bloodbath lol...
If that double lynch was the result of manipulation, then the alliances of BH/Tunkeg are either really small (0-1 allies each) or were all in on each other; I find it strange there was no last minute switch. Guess the principles of mafia are out the window on this game (your whole team voting for your "mislynch" no es bueno).
Blazinghand (5+1) (TUNKEGS BUDDIES) s0lstice Fulblade Sir Posts a Lot MrZentor rastaban I suspect that all of BH's allies were voting for Tunkeg. If any were voting for BH himself, they should've voteswitched because in this game, as power grows exponentionally, letting yourself be "known" isn't as bad as in a standard game. There's no "towncred" to be won sticking on your allies lynch. Since I'm not allied with BH (uh oh spoiler) and BM claims to be solo, that means Sentinel, Marvel, and Atki are likely allied with BH. I don't buy marvel's "I'm solo" nonsense; only an idiot or someone who was backstabbed would be unallied, and I think highly of that duo to not let that happen. Marvel might also be solo, but if you want to sink BH's ship, Atki/Sentinel are obvious targets for lynch/attack.
Some amount of solstice, fulblade, sir posts, zentor, and rastaban are allied with Tunkeg. I'm not allied with Tunkeg because why would I vote him lol, I would've done last minute unvote. I'm guessing there's two factions in between the five of you? Since BH's alliance is pretty obviously drawn out, it would probably be in your best interest to finish off the scraps, while posturing an advantage over each other. It's pretty clear who is on each faction, just with a few random stragglers.
Where do I lie? I dunno, you figure it out.
LINES ARE DRAWN, WHO WILL YOU SIDE WITH??
I find it funny how you say only an idiot would go solo, then claim both yourself and BM, and maybe Marvel are solo. This is based on your logic that none of you would have confederates on both sides, otherwise you'd just pull voteswitches to support your preferred side. I'm guessing either you and BM or Sinensis (or both) are allied. Sinensis went AFK about 8-9 hours before deadline, but I'm not ruling him out of the shenanigans.
Atki Wiglegs of the Mongol horde has been defeated.
48 hours to get in votes and production assignments for the day. Reminder that you need to allocate villagers that were created on the previous day (if you'd like you can allocate as you create them so you don't have to remember the next day).
my upload speed is total trash can so the videos are taking really long to update (even though they're tiny, like max 20 seconds long). Just recheck your PMs later to see if the videos are up, the links are in there.
e:something is wrong with them. I'm going to try and fix them tonight.
Lol, Tunkeg's allies wanted revenge. Thought I was dying tonight for sure. No one attacked me, though. I'm looking at one person in particular and have no idea why they didn't attack me.
interesting evening. it didn't really turn out like I expected. some civs have wacky special abilities, i'll be interested to know what they all are for sure in the postgame.
On August 17 2012 10:17 s0Lstice wrote: interesting evening. it didn't really turn out like I expected. some civs have wacky special abilities, i'll be interested to know what they all are for sure in the postgame.
Apparently the thread has decided to be very quiet again.
Today I propose we lynch s0lstice. I feel that he is a threat, and think that it would be a good idea to take him out. Why?
On August 17 2012 10:17 s0Lstice wrote: interesting evening. it didn't really turn out like I expected. some civs have wacky special abilities, i'll be interested to know what they all are for sure in the postgame.
This post is the primary reason. I personally believe that solstice, most likely along with his ailles, had attempted to stack attacks in order to take out a player, yet failed to do so due to "wacky special abilities". I dont see much else "wacky special abilities" could refer to in this case. I am personally very interested in this, but am relatively sure that my assumption regarding this statement is correct. Correct me if im wrong though.
Now, what if my assumption is correct? This means that s0lstice was probably involved in an attack designed to get rid of a player. This is more likely than not an attack involving at least 2 players (from how combat works, I would assume 2 different attacks are required, one to clear out the main army, a secondary one to finish off the player, since most players ought to have a decent starting force.), which would suggest that solstice is a part of a strong aillance. Even if it is only a 2-man aillance, which I highly doubt so, it is one that appears to have the potential to kill a player. I find this quite dangerous, and would like to get rid of it, or at the very least weaken it (which is what killing s0l will do.)
This is why I feel solstice is a threat, since it would seem that he has the capability (at night) to take out a player. Obviously I might be completely wrong regarding my assumption, but in that case, it would be very interesting in seeing solstice elaborate on WHAT he meant by wacky abilities.
I wasn't specifically expecting anyone to die, though I did think that people who were tied to either Tunkeg or BH would be out for blood.
The wacky ability I was referring to was in regards to some civs in the game having the capability of manipulating alliances i.e. adding or subtracting a player.
I was involved in such an event, to my detriment. There are absolutely bigger fish to fry than me, following last night, so I'd urge you to reconsider. It would be mutually beneficial to do so.
On August 18 2012 04:12 s0Lstice wrote: I wasn't specifically expecting anyone to die, though I did think that people who were tied to either Tunkeg or BH would be out for blood.
The wacky ability I was referring to was in regards to some civs in the game having the capability of manipulating alliances i.e. adding or subtracting a player.
I was involved in such an event, to my detriment. There are absolutely bigger fish to fry than me, following last night, so I'd urge you to reconsider. It would be mutually beneficial to do so.
Anyways, I'm leaving right now so I don't have time to do anything, and I fear Matt will never show up and we'll get modkilled, so I'll make a placeholder:
##Vote: ItsMarvelBabyyy
If you want reasoning Matt can tell you since I haven't talked to him yet and he has more shit to say than I do.
I am going to give you some information. s0Lstice is telling the truth. I was involved with the same players that he was, and was the target of a similar ability. It is now in my best interest to keep other solo players alive, so that we will have a chance at the remaining alliances. I don't know what alliance(s) you are a part of, but I am taking a chance here that it is also in your best interest to keep solo players alive.
Another thing, since its already out in the open anyway, care to elaborate on atki's ability? Does it actually remove solstice's other ailles or just gets him recruited to become atki's ally?
I am going to give you some information. s0Lstice is telling the truth. I was involved with the same players that he was, and was the target of a similar ability. It is now in my best interest to keep other solo players alive, so that we will have a chance at the remaining alliances. I don't know what alliance(s) you are a part of, but I am taking a chance here that it is also in your best interest to keep solo players alive.
Well either you guys (you, sol, and anonymous guy with that message) are being jerks and are playing me big time or are all in terrible positions. I think that the second case is more likely for now. I agree with your thoughts that gonzaw/matt are quite likely to be in a strong alliance, lets kill them.
Sir posts a lot pm'd us pregame about an alliance but we kind of just ignored it once bh got back to us and we had a pm triangle with atki, bh and I. We decided to just not talk to sir posts a lot at all since we didn't want to lead them on and garner ill will. He's still holding a grudge apparently and I suspect he's in a nice alliance since he's killed both of my allies in subsequent actions.
##vote: sir posts a lot
-Risen
Ps: you weren't even on my list of people I wanted to question today or vote fororiginally. Fulblade and s0L were. Now s0L is like a de facto ally along worth BM (i find his solo claim believable since I don't know why someone would do that to themselves). s0L who were your allies atki stripped you from? They're probably going to want you dead...
Erm just realized that I voted with my own account, swear I logged out already though... -_- Just reposting in case it wasn't counted.
s0L who were your allies atki stripped you from? They're probably going to want you dead...
This might not be the case for now considering the PM I recieved from whoever, they might wish to keep him alive for now since he is supposedly a solo player, which they don't want to aim as they seem to want to focus on other strong players. I am rather interested in this info myself though, might give us a better idea on who is in a good position.
I am going to give you some information. s0Lstice is telling the truth. I was involved with the same players that he was, and was the target of a similar ability. It is now in my best interest to keep other solo players alive, so that we will have a chance at the remaining alliances. I don't know what alliance(s) you are a part of, but I am taking a chance here that it is also in your best interest to keep solo players alive.
Alright, his/their contradictory reasoning during the BH lynch (saying BH is in a strong alliance and Tunkeg is not using the same exact logic with no reasoning for the difference other than a hunch).
On August 16 2012 05:31 Sir Posts A Lot wrote: The point is that I actually agree with you, 4-way alliances are very dangerous and we need to kill them. The thing is that you are shifting your argument to make it seem you are right about killing Tunkeg which is why I disagree with you.
Anyways, you are more likely in a larger alliance than Tunkeg (and one that's not "outed" as you say it), which is why I think you should be lynched instead. That's my final answer.
If someone can show me conclusive proof someone else is in a 4-man alliance then I'll be happy to go vote them. Tunkeg "not being desperate last day" and "making it seem he didn't got a PM" aren't conclusive evidence he's in a 4-man alliance, not even a 3-man one (remember he acted all "everybody hates me" before alliances were even made).
But that's hte point! Remember how he acted all "everybody hates me"? REMEMBER THAT? this was at the start of the PM phase. By the end of the alliance phase HE WAS TOTALLY CHILL. That's a MASSIVE CHANGE. MASSIVE. He was arguing about other crap instead of PMs. It wasn't on his mind, he wasn't freaking out, he was fine.
What else coupld possibly explain his huge shift in attitude? He obviously developed a PM network and relaxed.
Okay then, Tunkeg is allied with just 1 other guy then (he would still be chill in that case, specially if nobody else PMed him previously)
Tunkeg->2 man alliance Blazinghand->3 man alliance
Is this right then? Why can't Tunkeg be allied with just 1 guy? I don't want to lynch a guy allied to just 1 guy if it means guys in stronger alliances are running free.
Then we finally have something to indicate why he thinks Tunkeg is in a 2-man alliance, but as far as I can see BH's 3 man alliance still seems like a number pulled out of his ass.
This lack of logic makes me think he's in the Tunkeg camp and needs to be purged.
Understand that I am caught in a rather delicate position now, as I have useful information on my former alliance mate(s).
The more I reveal, the more they will want me dead. The less I reveal, the more everyone else will want to lynch me.
I will say that I was formerly allied with Sir Posts. I can't say with certainty what his status is now, as I'm not privy to the specific details of the ability that dissolved this alliance. It could have been targeted at me, severing alliance tie(s), or it could have been targeted at Sir Posts, recruiting him and leaving me behind.
The situation I find most likely is that the ability was targeted at me, considering I started the lynch BH wagon. That would mean that Sir Posts is either alone or part of some smaller alliance that was being kept secret from me. My gut tells me that he is alone like I am.
With more information being revealed, and the BH/Atki/Marv alliance destroyed, there is one last avenue to explore for me, and that is the outside shot at Tunkeg having some buddies who are still linked together. I don't think it's especially likely, but I don't find it any less likely than most of our remaining players being alone.
I will ##vote rastaban in the hopes that this will lead to an endgame of every man for himself.
It doesn't make sense to me that you wouldn't turn on your former ally unless it was just you two. You say you're scared of him having another alliance, but isn't that a reason to kill him since that would weaken his remaining alliance and "protect" you? With him alive and a potential partner or two they're stronger against you. He pmd me, though and you obviously pmd him, so the odds of him being in ANOTHER alliance seem low.
Sir posts a lot are you solo now? I'm thinking you are and I'm thinking it wasn't you and s0L who killed atki, which means there's someone out there who is incredibly ballsy or in a different alliance which makes me not want to vote for sir posts a lot...
Ok revelation time, atki's ability was supposed to strip someones alliance and bring them into ours. He was supposed to use it on sir posts a lot because I felt bad about ignoring him but I didn't know what else to do at the time. Turns out mongols got a broken ability called The Horde and allowed me to try and mend a broken bridge. This makes me think he used it on sir posts a lot breaking his alliance to s0L and potentially anyone else. The ability as it was explained to me breaks a players alliance and brings them into yours.
I didn't get a PM from wbg telling me I'm now allied with either spal or s0L but their alliance was clearly broken. Now then...
I don't think a two person alliance would attack atki. I don't think s0L/spal are guilty for that. This limits who attacked him to ET/bm/ras/ful... There's a very real possibility of an alliance there and that makes me nervous.
If there's a three person alliance in that list of six people those of us left who are solo are in a lot of trouble, but I don't think randomly lynching into that list is the answer either. Does anyone have scouting information they'd like to share?
On August 19 2012 04:24 s0Lstice wrote: Understand that I am caught in a rather delicate position now, as I have useful information on my former alliance mate(s).
The more I reveal, the more they will want me dead. The less I reveal, the more everyone else will want to lynch me.
I will say that I was formerly allied with Sir Posts. I can't say with certainty what his status is now, as I'm not privy to the specific details of the ability that dissolved this alliance. It could have been targeted at me, severing alliance tie(s), or it could have been targeted at Sir Posts, recruiting him and leaving me behind.
The situation I find most likely is that the ability was targeted at me, considering I started the lynch BH wagon. That would mean that Sir Posts is either alone or part of some smaller alliance that was being kept secret from me. My gut tells me that he is alone like I am.
With more information being revealed, and the BH/Atki/Marv alliance destroyed, there is one last avenue to explore for me, and that is the outside shot at Tunkeg having some buddies who are still linked together. I don't think it's especially likely, but I don't find it any less likely than most of our remaining players being alone.
I will ##vote rastaban in the hopes that this will lead to an endgame of every man for himself.
I find this very unlikely, the way pre-game PMs went down.
On my phone now so quoting is out....but Marvel, why would pregame pm's make you think otherwise? Having your initial pm spurned is a huge blow to alliance chances?
As far as scouting info, zentor built spearmen. I'm assuming the mongols UU is cavalry, so that's something. Id be ok with a zentor lynch, how about you marvel?
On August 19 2012 06:01 s0Lstice wrote: On my phone now so quoting is out....but Marvel, why would pregame pm's make you think otherwise? Having your initial pm spurned is a huge blow to alliance chances?
As far as scouting info, zentor built spearmen. I'm assuming the mongols UU is cavalry, so that's something. Id be ok with a zentor lynch, how about you marvel?
I don't want to lynch randomly even into for people but no one is here, I don't want to lynch spal, and ras is the only dude left with a vote on him in the four.
That's very true, but who thinks they're going to get attacked first night when no one really has anything. Also, no one even was aggressive towards you at all. You and your allies built units d1 to swarm and kill someone n1. Risen here, found my phone charger.
Two people set to get modkilled, sir posts a lot to be lynched. No idea why you tried to get me lynched spal, I didn't do shit to you and now you're set to be lynched. Mrzentor's allies can just sit tight now (i suspect it's another three person alliance) kill people at night and lynch people with impunity. I'm praying one of the two getting potentially modkilled (if they don't vote) are his allies. (et and rasta, but I ruled out et so hopefully rasta)
Bill Murray: s0Lstice Sir Posts A Lot: ItsMarvelBabyyy ItsMarvelBabyyy: MrZentor Fulblade: Sir Posts A Lot [UoN]Sentinel: Sir Posts A Lot s0Lstice: MrZentor MrZentor: MrZentor EchelonTee: MrZentor
MrZentor w/ 4 votes Sir Posts A Lot w/ 2 votes ItsMarvelBabyyy w/ 1 vote s0Lstice w/ 1 vote
On August 19 2012 08:09 Sir Posts A Lot wrote: I have been in hospitals (for work) for the last 24+ hours
I don't believe Marv's only allies died. But I don't know if he's lying about being allied to both BH and Kita
Marv who else were you in contact with?
sent/fulblade/et/BM are who I am worried about
You PMd me Atki PMd me I PMd BH who completed the triangle to Atki with his PM. They wanted only people in the PM lock to be our allies so we were forced to stop talking to you.
ALSO THIS IS IMPORTANT!
Deadline is in an hour, I screwed up time zones >.<
MrZentor can still unvote himself and vote you forcing a tie vote and double lynch. You need to get on him or that's still a possibility.
Sir Posts has 5 monks, 8teutonic knights, 6 villagers 2 barracks, one archery range, no walls, one stable, and six sheep.
##Unvote ##Vote Sirpostsalot
So you're saying he went economy (villager/barracks) and therefor can't be in the alliance that wiped out Atki. That didn't help your case at all my dude.
Bill Murray: s0Lstice Sir Posts A Lot: MrZentor ItsMarvelBabyyy: MrZentor Fulblade: Sir Posts A Lot [UoN]Sentinel: Sir Posts A Lot s0Lstice: MrZentor MrZentor: Sir Posts A Lot EchelonTee: MrZentor
MrZentor w/ 4 votes Sir Posts A Lot w/ 3 votes s0Lstice w/ 1 vote
EBWOP: And you realize I'm not the only one who needs convincing? Spal obviously doesn't want to die, s0L is solo now and scouted that you made a ton of units, ET came out from being afk voted you and is now probably afk again.... I don't see any future where you live at this point. Someone died last night and you made units and got scouted doing so.
On August 19 2012 08:36 MrZentor wrote: Currently one.
I think Sir Posts A Lot still has an ally and he is more dangerous to me after what he did today. Combine this with questioning me after I fought to save him all day? s0L left me with not enough information so...
##unvote ##vote: Sir Posts A Lot
This decision comes from Marvel. If it was my choice I wouldn't rock the boat, but s0L is the only one I have "confirmation" on being unallied of the s0L/spal alliance.
On August 19 2012 08:52 s0Lstice wrote: watch rastaban come out of left field to tie the vote right now
I would shit myself...........
VOTE COUNT
Bill Murray: s0Lstice Sir Posts A Lot: MrZentor ItsMarvelBabyyy: Sir Posts A Lot Fulblade: Sir Posts A Lot [UoN]Sentinel: Sir Posts A Lot s0Lstice: MrZentor MrZentor: Sir Posts A Lot EchelonTee: MrZentor
Sir Posts A Lot w/ 4 votes MrZentor w/ 3 votes s0Lstice w/ 1 vote
“To see others lynch does one good, to make others get lynched even more: this is a hard saying but an ancient, mighty, human, all-too-human principle... without cruelty there is no festival.” --Friedrich Nietzsche
As the sun set on Europe, another 3 great leaders had been vanquished.
Rastaban of the Celts had fallen out of favor among his peoples. They decided it was long time the English pigdogs stopped invading their lands and murdering their flocks. They blamed the hardships on rastaban's weak leadership, and decided to off him once and for all. The end result was that the Celts became fractured and scattered, no longer a threat on the continent.
Meanwhile, Sir Posts a Lot the Teuton struggled to keep his own bands of people together. The Teutonic city states were breaking off one by one. He was no Barbarossa: he could not keep the Germanic peoples united. Soon, the other empires came for what was rightfully theirs.
Lastly, MrZentor of the Turks was assassinated on a boar hunt when he least expected it.
MrZentor of the Turks has been defeated. Sir Posts a Lot of the Teutons has been defeated. Rastaban of the Celts has been defeated.
6 civilizations remain. Who will emerge victorious?
22 hours for night actions. Remember that the deadline is ONE HOUR before the normal time.
Fulblade is Britons. He has: 38 archers, 20 longbows, walls, 6 villagers, no sheep remaining, 1 archery range, 1 barracks, 1 stable, walls.
Wtf Fulblade was Atki's attacker. -2 archers from the 40 he would have. Atki had horse archers, though, so who is his ally? I think he would have gotten more than two kills and even if Atki was the only attacker he would have had an ally defending him, right? Does anyone have a scouting report on anyone else? I just built 20maa/20sm (built villagers, barracks yesterday and sent up some prayers to baby jesus for protection) and have my 20 huskarls which should be able to kill his army b/c my special units are anti-archer and as a map bonus I got an extra 10 of them at start (but the tradeoff is that I have no walls and can't build them). If more than just me attacks him tonight does it tear down his wall and let my units through?
Atki's actions d1 were to make another set of villagers and upgrade archer armor, which left him wide open to this attack, but we both felt that with bh on the path to be lynched the only way we were going to have a chance was to go for full econ.
Honestly though, why not? He's not allied with me, so it benefits me. It benefits everyone who wasn't allied with him as well. I didn't sacrifice anything, I helped you all.
You guys won't have to worry much about me now, I'm gimped as I don't have any ability to kill anyone as of now, due to the fact that I don't have any melee/siege. Rasta tunkeg and zentor were my ailles, and we killed Atki n1, and had zentor send a small force to kill et's wall too because why not.
Well, its up to you guys if you would want to believe me or not, but I never intended to survive past tonight,wherein I intended to kill 2 players and die, leaving the rest to rasta/zentor. Obviously, thanks to that modkill, this has failed spectacularly and I am in a position that is no better than yours.
And yea BM is china, I think that he might be building up, and I would like to get rid of him. He also might have ailles remaining. Sent is another who I think might still be in some sort of aillance, but I have 0 information on him at this point and am not going to risk it.
On August 19 2012 12:51 Fulblade wrote: I'll need to be away for quite a bit.
And yea BM is china, I think that he might be building up, and I would like to get rid of him. He also might have ailles remaining. Sent is another who I think might still be in some sort of aillance, but I have 0 information on him at this point and am not going to risk it.
Rofl you had a 4 person? Omg hahahaha rasta wtf lol. Well I think you're safe tonight b/c apparently no matter how many people attack you, your walls will eat the attack.
so who is killing BM? Fulblade, since you have those nice cushy walls back home, would you like to volunteer? I would of course not attack you, and I would hope others would do the same as you would be doing everyone a favor.
I chose not to ally anyone thinking people would let me lie in waiting (i didnt expect people to die so quickly) I am screwed; I have no army noone finished me off, though, which is good, because s0lstice can win the game through another way he has a hidden ability
On August 21 2012 12:41 Bill Murray wrote: I chose not to ally anyone thinking people would let me lie in waiting (i didnt expect people to die so quickly) I am screwed; I have no army noone finished me off, though, which is good, because s0lstice can win the game through another way he has a hidden ability
What are you talking about, everyone has a hidden ability.
On August 13 2012 05:34 Blazinghand wrote: I can assure you 100% i'm trying to form a powerful alliance with every tool at my disposal, btw. But whether or not this is successful I won't know until the alliance phase happens and I see who's allying me back
On August 15 2012 04:28 Blazinghand wrote: Tunkeg I've never seen you play scum, and I don't remember you playing town, but I do know this whole game you've been setting up to avoid getting lynched. That's what I'm saying. I personally believe myself to be in a strong, solid alliance, but I can't be sure I'm not in the strongest one, and honestly I have no way of knowing what you're in.
The fact of the matter is, your constant complaining about your popularity since the moment the game starts isn't just annoying... it's suspicious. It's a big set-up. You think people are gonna buy it, but they won't. I don't think you're scummy, because I don't think there's scum. THIS GAME HAS NO SCUM. I do think you're trying to portray yourself falsely, and I think all you do is increase the amount of pressure on yourself with these flailings.
All my motives are clear: I want to win the game, and I consider you a threat. A dangerous, deceptive threat. I'll continue to argue this so that I can get other people, who are interesting in winning for themselves, to also vote for you. I believe it is optimal play.
It's weird picking a lynch with no scum, but I'm absolutely interested in killing someone who is claiming to be in a strong, solid alliance. Anybody not in this alliance with BH should be interested as well.
My gut feeling on Tunkeg is that he has 0-1 alliance buddies. But we'll see on that.
##vote Blazinghand
As you can see, zero evidence as to why Tunkeg is better than BH, just a vote out of the blue. He then proceeds to back this up by saying BH is a regular, and willing to believe that BH's idle comment is more of a threat than anything Tunkeg could bring to the table.
The last time we had a scenario like this was Werewolves II which ended up being a mafia victory because one towny decided to be a little too sarcastic. Is BH sarcastic? Who knows, he's dead.
His next vote is on rastaban "in the hopes that this will lead to an endgame of every man for himself."
Then he switches to Zentor and in three posts explains the reasoning behind this switch. He has (cue the epic music)... spearmen. Spearmen counter cavalry, therefore he must be the killer. That's pretty fine logic as far as mafia goes, but why would it incite you to lynch him? He would be weakened after killing Atki. The lynch is meant to dispose of strong players. In fact, unless your UU is cavalry yourself, then you could have killed him for all we care.
Then I made everyone die because I'm not allied with any of you. Moving on.
Then EchelonTee votes for me because of precisely jackshit except that I play Viking, a fact that has been apparent since the beginning of the game, and Solstice decides to jump on the train presenting his trademark zero evidence and votes for me too. This is why I feel s0Lstice is an impediment to progress and clarity, and is hiding something that isn't very nice to the rest of us.
ET- professes to be screwed, I tend to believe him. A scouting report will verify Marv- can't build walls, and is understandably hesitant to leave home fulblade- one dimensional army. until he builds melee he can't eliminate anyone from the game BM- no military
that leaves you...with a bigger army than me and 7 brand new villagers
Pillage is one use. Otherwise I'd be stealing shit from people I don't like every day.
Actually I did find quite the wood stock in BM's coffers. I have a feeling he's ramping up production so once his economy is in full swing, he'll have the biggest army in the game.
Yeah I find s0L and ET sketchy as hell. Going to "trust" BM and
##vote: s0Lstice
I'm down for lynching either, though. I don't think s0L was the one atki used his power on he said he was using it on Sir Posts A Lot. I think ET and s0L are in an alliance still.
actually, what happened was we were planning a 3 man alliance (me, sir posts, ET) but ET was away when it came time to send in requests. To remedy this, he planned on using his 'ally target' (atki wasn't the only one who had it) ability on sir posts. See his post about 'making amends.'
when he used this ability, he added sir posts, and severed my alliance to sir posts. I assume this was an unforeseen consequence, but who knows.
basically, the game started with me and SPAL allied, without ET. The plan was to have ET be our third man, but ET was awol when it came time to send in PMs.
In an attempt to make amends for not being around when we needed him (I assume) he used his ability to ally SPAL. In our QT, SPAL and I thought that the ability would just add him to our alliance and all would be well. What happened instead was the ability ET used allied him with SPAL, and cut SPAL's ties to me. This left me alone.
When SPAL died, ET became alone. ET might be playing some wicked mindgames, but I doubt it.
someone took all my resources................................ now i cant even make cavalry to defend vs these archers I had over 1000 i guess i should have followed the old rule of thumb ##vote: echelontee
On August 22 2012 11:54 Bill Murray wrote: someone took all my resources................................ now i cant even make cavalry to defend vs these archers I had over 1000 i guess i should have followed the old rule of thumb ##vote: echelontee
This vote makes no sense. You're either trolling or allied to s0L. Something wack is going on.
The info came before we were split Marvel. I was going off what SPAL told me, and there weren't a lot of specifics other than 'ET is probably going to ally us.'
On August 22 2012 12:06 s0Lstice wrote: The info came before we were split Marvel. I was going off what SPAL told me, and there weren't a lot of specifics other than 'ET is probably going to ally us.'
Ohhh, I thought you were saying he told you about ET AFTER ET used his ability.
Don't know why you'd be suspicious of me for ET's ability when I'm calling you out... But I'm down with an ET lynch as much as I am a s0L lynch so
On August 22 2012 20:28 Fulblade wrote: We kill ET today, and sent tomorrow since he has 99999 resources I presume from pillage.
Kill weak trader civ today, instead of guy you know has a ton of resources. This is not logical.
I also don't know why no one is worried about fulblade, since he had like a million archers. I assume Fulblade+Marvel or something like that is the only remaining alliance?
On August 22 2012 20:28 Fulblade wrote: We kill ET today, and sent tomorrow since he has 99999 resources I presume from pillage.
Kill weak trader civ today, instead of guy you know has a ton of resources. This is not logical.
I also don't know why no one is worried about fulblade, since he had like a million archers. I assume Fulblade+Marvel or something like that is the only remaining alliance?
Just no. And I am worried about Fulblade. What does everyone else think about him?
On August 22 2012 12:05 ItsMarvelBabyyy wrote: Unless bm/et is the alliance and he's trying to throw me off with his et vote and he'll unvote last second if et got enough votes?
On August 22 2012 12:05 ItsMarvelBabyyy wrote: Unless bm/et is the alliance and he's trying to throw me off with his et vote and he'll unvote last second if et got enough votes?
you think I would ally BM? O.O
can't answer for my other half, but :p
with regards to Fulblade. Unless for some reason you believe Atki/BH weren't my allies, for Fulblade to be my ally too, he'd have had to condemn BH to death day 1 lynch instead of just killing Tunkeg (bussing is stupid yo).
yeah, it's just idle speculation at this point with the allying.
While I don't think any of you change your mind, it's pretty obvious that I'm not the biggest threat here. Fulblade/Sentinel/solstice are easily more dangerous than I. I can't really convince you to not call me since I am your enemy, but if you're worried about some secret ability I have, you're going to be underwhelmed.
In the middle east, hoofbeats raiseid clouds of dust in the distance.
EchelonTee, a old and wizened Saracen, knelt for the final prayer of the day. He had heard the news, brought by courier just this morning, that the last of his people's desert strongholds were beginning to fall to the might of Europe and Asia. EchelonTee knew that neither he, nor his city, was long for the world. Though it may be written in the Quran, "O ye who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves in vanities: but let there be amongst you traffic and trade by mutual good-will. Nor kill yourselves: for verily Allah hath been to you Most Merciful," EchelonTee knew from his many years trading with the other cultures of the world that they did not read the holy scriptures, did not value commerce as he did, and held bloodlust in their hearts. With a sigh, he prepared himself for death, knowing that he had trafficked and traded much in his days as a merchant, and that Allah would be merciful to him.
EchelonTee of the Saracens has been defeated.
5 civilizations remain.
23 hours for night actions. Remember that the deadline is ONE HOUR before the normal time.
so i havent been investigating people at night because i thought i was going to be dead i could have built a wall, but i've just been gathering wood you may call me the lorax
On August 23 2012 11:58 s0Lstice wrote: off-topic, but if any of the remaining players are bw fans, Violet lost his battle with cancer. There's a thread in bw if you want to post condolences
Disclaimer: post is going to be delayed by about an hour because I've started school and I had to change my schedule (I have a class now till deadline)
A cold wind blew across the rubble where once, a great palace stood. Only piles of the charred bones of men, women, children, horses, cats, and dogs lay where farms and houses once stood The smell of burning flesh emanated for miles. The mighty Chinese empire had been destroyed, both by inner turmoil and by the combined attacks of enemies.
Bill Murray of the Chinese has been defeated.
Roughly 46ish hours to deadline. If you all would like to change to 24 hour days please let me know via PM. There's only 4 players alive, so I figure you all will not need that much time anymore.
said game changing information was improbably gamechanging, however, the half minute it was on here I apologize for, as for this third post; Old habits die hard. I have only slept 4 hours in the last 2 days.
I just remembered BM saying something about s0L having some sort of game changing ability.
On August 21 2012 12:41 Bill Murray wrote: I chose not to ally anyone thinking people would let me lie in waiting (i didnt expect people to die so quickly) I am screwed; I have no army noone finished me off, though, which is good, because s0lstice can win the game through another way he has a hidden ability
##unvote ##vote: s0Lstice
Fulblade get on s0L and maybe sent will swap over. I don't trust s0L and this is endgame, the time when he would use something crazy.
It will be a very very bad idea for you guys to lynch me right now. Why?
As you all know, someone killed BM last night. He probably had next to no units, but this pretty much means 1 thing - that someone had the power to target and kill a player. And no, that player wasnt me. What this means is that there is a player out there who has the capability to kill and destroy a player as of this night. Think about it. If you kill me right now, you will give said player free reign to kill off the remaining two, who definately arent in as strong a position. On the other hand, leaving me alive places a threat onto that player - if he attacks someone, he runs the risk of facing a counterattack by another strong players (yours truly).
Said player is more likely than not marv. He had 60 varying units as of ~2 (lazy to check) nights ago, and that number would have considerably grown as of now. He has taken next to no losses at this point, whilst I have taken damages from killing both atki (minor) and BM (his stupid cho-ku-nus killed off a lot more than I expected). My army as of now is in NO PLACE to get rid of any one of you this night, whilst his has the capability to kill you.
The optimal play as of now for you 2 (sent + sol) is NOT to lynch me. Will I be THE threat in say, a couple of days? Definately. But I am not the threat NOW. Killing me will 100% guarantee a marv victory.
So what to do? 3 options really.
1) You guys lynch marv. Than me tomorrow. Than fight it out. 2) You guys convince us to lynch the other and let me and marv fight it out. I am fully intending to attack marv this night if I survive. Obviously you may not believe me, but have I lied a single time this game? I think not. 3) Force a tie between me and marv. I intend to stay awake till after the deadline to mess around with votes, and I am sure marv wouldnt mind doing so either, so I suggest you guys avoid this.
Lynching me is the worst play for both of you right now. Doing so will put you in a situation where marv very likely wins.
Lol, I've been scouting you every day except yesterday when I didn't send my actions to austin so I don't think you have anything as crazy as s0L. I also believe you about not being allied and a sent/s0L alliance keeps popping into my mind. Apparently vikings get pillage so that leaves me wondering what s0L has. I'm more afraid of the thing I don't know.
Also, I didn't kill BM. This means it was one of you three. If you know it isn't you Ful then it's sentinel or s0L who did it. I haven't attacked ever and I've been defending every night simply b/c apparently you have to send half your force in an attack (I tried sending 10 maa to attack BM two nights ago lol)
Wait, wait... why am I the strong player when sent openly pillaged the most economic player in the game? He said it gave him a shit ton of villagers/resources.
On August 22 2012 10:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Then why are you scared of me? I shall reveal things too.
I have 10 men at arms, 10 archers and 10 berserks.
I can also tell you that BM had 25-28 villagers before the pillage because I have stolen seven of them.
On August 22 2012 10:18 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Pillage is one use. Otherwise I'd be stealing shit from people I don't like every day.
Actually I did find quite the wood stock in BM's coffers. I have a feeling he's ramping up production so once his economy is in full swing, he'll have the biggest army in the game.
On August 26 2012 03:36 Fulblade wrote: Hey by the way who did you scout yesterday? I scouted s0l. I am really interested in knowing what sent has. Its kinda worrying.
I scouted no one :/ I only sent my day actions to wbg so yesterday I didn't make/collect anything rofl
Its the last one left anyway, he has a decent economy still, but thats kinda very little stuff. I didnt get the no. of production facilities... think austin missed out on it or something -_-
On August 26 2012 03:41 Fulblade wrote: Its the last one left anyway, he has a decent economy still, but thats kinda very little stuff. I didnt get the no. of production facilities... think austin missed out on it or something -_-
On August 26 2012 03:40 Fulblade wrote: He stole villagers? I missed that. Kill him?
I'd be down but I'm honestly more concerned with s0L. Well, that depends on what you scouted from him last night, actually. I haven't scouted sent but maybe s0L has? Sent said he had 30 units which doesn't seem too bad, but then again he stole a shit ton of resources so he could probably ramp depending what his day actions were yesterday. Does he get his pillage stuff immediately? s0L has the mystery ability and I'm really, really, REALLY paranoid it's some sort of vigi ability which seems stupid but this game had an alliance breaker/reformer in Atki so I've kind of been freaking out about everyone's powers. Sent pillages, you double produce archers, I get 20% reduced production costs on all units (no walls and can't build them is the trade off? Can you build walls?), and s0L gets.... ????
Lol wtf where are all of s0L's units? He's either incredibly comfortable with where he is right now or he attacked BM and lost a lot of stuff. I don't know what BM had, though.
Zentor had a dayvig ability which he was supposed to use on ET before he died.... (It was a normal attack which would have killed ET)
I swear my aillance is full of derp.
Rastaban had sheep stealing and something similar to mine wherein he could produce twice the amount of units he could make for 1 day, Tunkeg had an ability which could insta kill all of someone's villagers.
I dont think anyone else will have a dayvig ability. It does seem like it could be something really bad though.
On August 26 2012 03:49 Fulblade wrote: Zentor had a dayvig ability which he was supposed to use on ET before he died.... (It was a normal attack which would have killed ET)
I swear my aillance is full of derp.
Rastaban had sheep stealing and something similar to mine wherein he could produce twice the amount of units he could make for 1 day, Tunkeg had an ability which could insta kill all of someone's villagers.
I dont think anyone else will have a dayvig ability. It does seem like it could be something really bad though.
BH died so quickly I can't remember his ability hahahahahahah.
Ok just looked at it and he had stupidly cheap pikemen and at night he got to negate one night action used against him.
Atki was the horde who was supposed to pull people into our alliance :/
On August 26 2012 03:50 Fulblade wrote: Its next to impossible that he attacked someone, he has all his units in batches of 10. Unless he has been really "lucky" with it of course.
Didn't think about that. A sent scout would be godlike right now. s0L? I'm forced to choose between mystery ability and someone who could ramp his production up big time. Seems to me that economy is kind of useless this game beyond leveling up, though, right? I can't make more than two batches from my barracks b/c of production cap (I tried d1, trust me, b/c I thought all military production used one slot but apparently each batch is a production)
So what's the use of economy in this game? (Hence my 6 villagers)
If you have 2 barracks you can build 20 maa with just 1 production slot. It is very possible that both of them have been stacking wood thus far and are currently at several barracks/archery ranges/stables.
Which could be very dangerous. Im still at 1/1/1. Seems like you are as well?
On August 26 2012 04:05 Fulblade wrote: If you have 2 barracks you can build 20 maa with just 1 production slot. It is very possible that both of them have been stacking wood thus far and are currently at several barracks/archery ranges/stables.
Which could be very dangerous. Im still at 1/1/1. Seems like you are as well?
No I'm at 2/1/1 b/c I assumed I could just start pumping units. I was told each barracks uses a full production, though.
concerning my build, ive been trying to be balanced. My thought process was to keep my military smaller and on par with my production of buildings. I didn't devote myself strongly to either path, which I felt would make other players feel safer about having me around, and to give me more flexibility in the late game.
I sent half of my units to attack BM. He had nothing at all, so he was destroyed, and I lost nothing. I figured it was time for me to risk something after asking Fulblade to attack him previously. Turns out it wasn't much of a risk at all, so that benefited all of us.
Concerning what BM said about my ability...ask yourself how he has that information. Something like that is not revealed in a scouting report, and nobody I had ties to who was aware of my unique ability also had ties to BM as far as I know. My question to Marvel is why he puts so much stock in what BM says...
I have never pushed for lynching you Marv, so I'm at a loss as to why you repeatedly try to lynch me. The fact that you can't build walls mitigates your increased troop production for me, but only so far. What's more, I don't know what funky abilities you have.
As far as my scouting the last two days, I scouted Fulblade the same day Marv did, and Marv the next day. I do not have a scouting report on Sentinel.
I only push you b/c you're the only unknown left. What's your special thing about your race? I have no idea how BM would know anything, but he's dead and you're mysterious. In a FFA like this the mystery factor is the only thing some people have going for them. Wish someone had scout info on sent, but I guess it's just going to be a Ful lynch.
what exactly do you need to know to not be so terrified of me?
my military is middling, my economy is middling. if you are so concerned about my special ability, don't be, because I've already used it up. I sent my anonymous PM to Fulblade earlier in an act of self-preservation, and it gave me the desired result. it's called 'calligraphy.'
The other most nifty thing about my race is very efficient fishing boats, but I can't use them on continental. I voted archipelago in the beginning.
Fulblade right now has the ability to produce his unique unit, at a high rate of speed. English longbows are amazing, and as soon as he builds up a little meat shield to protect them, he will be able to attack with impunity. Our counters to archers in the starting age are terrible. Skirmishers will be destroyed by virtually anything besides archers, and scout cavalry are similarly awful at combat. What's more, the disadvantage from the large lump of resources spent to age up will begin to fade away as time progresses, and he begins to reap the benefits.
He really needs to die to the lynch, because conventional means are really out of the question at this point. He is already an age ahead of us, with probably the largest standing army.
It's nothing personal Fulblade, but I find you extremely dangerous.
I don't know why I'm surprised by BM trolling me. Especially since he's been calling you japanese pigdog all game (my guess is since he was chinese he'd just grudge you all game)
I am going to give you some information. s0Lstice is telling the truth. I was involved with the same players that he was, and was the target of a similar ability. It is now in my best interest to keep other solo players alive, so that we will have a chance at the remaining alliances. I don't know what alliance(s) you are a part of, but I am taking a chance here that it is also in your best interest to keep solo players alive.
I could always force his vote on fulblade since I've used my power s0L. I'm not budging until you're off me, though. I don't think I can take sent or fulblade in the endgame with how many resources he has and how many archers fulblade has.
If you swap your vote to fulblade I'm perfectly willing to kill the guy who last time I scouted him had like 60 archers. Neither of you have anything in the way of army and I'm confident we could lynch sent tomorrow then slug each other to death. I only have 6 villagers
Lol, sentinel is going to come back to this thread and be like whaaaaaat? I have to pack up and leave for vegas. I'm going to be checking this thread every few seconds for the final minutes before deadline. If any swap shenans come I'm just swapping to whoever tries and backstabs me and taking you with me (looking at you s0L and sent)
BH ate his hat, Atki got rolled, Sent and I shat ourselves, I forgot to turn in day actions yesterday, last night I attacked EchelonTee and this whole time Marvel has been letting out one continuous sigh... we still won :S
Fulblade of the Britons has been defeated. s0Lstice of the Japanese has been defeated.
ItsMarvelBabyyy of the Goths, [UoN]Sentinel of the Vikings, Blazinghand of the Byzantines, and Atki Wiglegs of the Mongol Horde are victorious (I think).
i figured one of the 4 mans would take it somehow. still, good job you two, I really thought you were both alone.
also it kind of sucked to be a newer player in this game. I pretty much expected to not receive a single pregame pm because of it, and that's what happened >.<
I'm completely 100% shocked Sir Posts A Lot didn't auto-lynch us. He had to of known we were in a 4 man :S We totally ignored his PM after a few fishing posts rofl
On August 26 2012 09:27 Risen wrote: I'm completely 100% shocked Sir Posts A Lot didn't auto-lynch us. He had to of known we were in a 4 man :S We totally ignored his PM after a few fishing posts rofl
How do you expect us to auto-lynch you if we get all our alliances destroyed, all our troops destroyed, we can't use any night ability at any times and we are forcefully allied to a guy that dies that same night?
If you mean D1-D2 we didn't want to attract much attention and make many enemies. I knew if me/Matt started pointing fingers at you it would be very probable we could get lynched instead, and doing that on D1-D2 would not be good at all
(EDIT: We weren't planning on "lynching" you but rather attack you with ET/solstice on N1-N2 if I remember correctly)
Anyways I kind of raged at this game so I'll let myself cool down a little bit before posting >_>
yea i feel bad about the ET lynch. sorry ET, i was in full panic mode on that day following sir posts being targeted by that ability. if I was thinking clearly I would have tried something else.
It's funny how I was planning on using that "Resist Conversion" ability the night Atki used his ability on us, but of course decided not to because ET was going to ally us that night (if I had chosen to protect myself then ET couldn't have allied to us)
"Conscription: Instantly receives the previous day's production of infantry for free, in addition to all other night actions. These units may not act on the night they are produced, however. Reusable on nonconsecutive nights."
Shit was about to get silly if we hadn't had those double lynches rofl. I think I was about to have around 200 troops.
I don't believe Marv's only allies died. But I don't know if he's lying about being allied to both BH and Kita
mattchew 08-13-2012 10:51 PM ET (US) s0l... we pm'd marv/risen, and they basically ignored us and looked meekly at our alliance talks with them, how do you feel about me blowing this up in the thread to get them lynched, saying they admitted being in contact with multiple other people and are probably allied to 3 others, making them powerful. I think the fear factor involved there might drive a lynch
this might has well have been called Rape You Till You Love Me
The Horde - overwhelms any one civilization, obliterating it (removing all special powers and halving unit force) and assimilating it into the Mongol horde. The target is forced into alliance with the Mongols, breaking previous alliances for the target. Reusable but not on consecutive nights.
I wasn't convinced marv was in a 4-man team...since ET wasn't in one and both of them basically acted similarly towards us >_>
ET went AFK and never PMed us back, and marv didn't either. It was possible both of them just forgot about the game, specially once we knew ET did (once he allied us again).
I actually played a few games of AoE. Vikings are a pain in the ass now, I hate boats. I like playing as Teutons though, similar style but much more reliant on ground than sea.
Then I got the expansion and just steamrolled Attila and El Cid. Dear lord I miss those campaigns so much.
yea as far as marv was concerned, Sentinel could just as easily have decided marv was going to get too many PMs and pick someone else. I don't think you can really say with certainty in a vacuum if it was 3 or 4.
On August 26 2012 09:56 gonzaw wrote: Also, I forgot:
ARGGH WTF WAS UP WITH ATKI'S ABILITY!!!?? AARGUGUGUG
Okay I finally took that off my chest in the thread
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I think marv/Risen got a bit lucky here. For whatever reason no one ever attacked him (biggest mistake by Fulblade perhaps?) But overall good game by everyone :p
yeah probably. Double lynches favor the individual players, it's one of the few mechanics that does.
e: and by individual players I mean individuals who are able to pit the alliances against each other.
I think if individual players can hone their persuasive abilities they can persuade the alliances that the other alliances are the biggest threats and to lynch them.
On August 26 2012 09:56 gonzaw wrote: Also, I forgot:
ARGGH WTF WAS UP WITH ATKI'S ABILITY!!!?? AARGUGUGUG
Okay I finally took that off my chest in the thread
?
I think marv/Risen got a bit lucky here. For whatever reason no one ever attacked him (biggest mistake by Fulblade perhaps?) But overall good game by everyone :p
On August 26 2012 09:56 gonzaw wrote: Also, I forgot:
ARGGH WTF WAS UP WITH ATKI'S ABILITY!!!?? AARGUGUGUG
Okay I finally took that off my chest in the thread
?
I think marv/Risen got a bit lucky here. For whatever reason no one ever attacked him (biggest mistake by Fulblade perhaps?) But overall good game by everyone :p
On August 26 2012 09:56 gonzaw wrote: Also, I forgot:
ARGGH WTF WAS UP WITH ATKI'S ABILITY!!!?? AARGUGUGUG
Okay I finally took that off my chest in the thread
?
I think marv/Risen got a bit lucky here. For whatever reason no one ever attacked him (biggest mistake by Fulblade perhaps?) But overall good game by everyone :p
Whoever got yanked by Atki could easily have broken alliance with him and outed him to the thread. Would have been hard to justify not lynching him. He also didn't have jack shit in the way of defenses lol
On August 26 2012 10:08 Risen wrote: Whoever got yanked by Atki could easily have broken alliance with him and outed him to the thread. Would have been hard to justify not lynching him. He also didn't have jack shit in the way of defenses lol
I don't think anyone is in a position to break an alliance in this game, and nobody would.
If Atki produces enough troops I don't see how his "defensive handicap" would have mattered, specially if other allies of him traded troops to him.
Also damn, up until N1 or so I thought our "Conversion Resistance" ability RBed the guy we used it on from making night actions as well as receiving them
On August 26 2012 09:43 gonzaw wrote: It's funny how I was planning on using that "Resist Conversion" ability the night Atki used his ability on us, but of course decided not to because ET was going to ally us that night (if I had chosen to protect myself then ET couldn't have allied to us)
Think of it this way....why would you "break" an alliance with someone else, if by doing so you prevent yourself from winning if that player is the last one standing?
If you are mad at that guy, well you can always just never communicate with him, but you wouldn't break his alliance at all Well, maybe I forgot something in the OP about it and it does something else.
EDIT: Oh yeah, thanks to the hosts for this game. Hopefully another one is hosted soon and I don't rage so much in it
On August 26 2012 10:12 gonzaw wrote: Think of it this way....why would you "break" an alliance with someone else, if by doing so you prevent yourself from winning if that player is the last one standing?
If you are mad at that guy, well you can always just never communicate with him, but you wouldn't break his alliance at all Well, maybe I forgot something in the OP about it and it does something else.
EDIT: Oh yeah, thanks to the hosts for this game. Hopefully another one is hosted soon and I don't rage so much in it
You would be forced to break an alliance if one of the players you were allied to was about to meet their win condition before you were.
On August 26 2012 10:08 Risen wrote: Whoever got yanked by Atki could easily have broken alliance with him and outed him to the thread. Would have been hard to justify not lynching him. He also didn't have jack shit in the way of defenses lol
I don't think anyone is in a position to break an alliance in this game, and nobody would.
If Atki produces enough troops I don't see how his "defensive handicap" would have mattered, specially if other allies of him traded troops to him.
Also damn, up until N1 or so I thought our "Conversion Resistance" ability RBed the guy we used it on from making night actions as well as receiving them
if the Teuton guy pointed his power at himself he would've stopped the Mongol power use that night.
sorry about some of the mistakes I made btw guys, the number of things coming in was a bit high for me to handle at times (particularly days 1 and 2 and night 1)
Also I have no clue why youtube never worked but I must've spent like 8-9 hours just trying to figure that out alone. All the videos were fine on my comp but in youtube they were perpetual grey screens. So, I just resorted to using screenshots.
On August 26 2012 10:12 gonzaw wrote: Think of it this way....why would you "break" an alliance with someone else, if by doing so you prevent yourself from winning if that player is the last one standing?
If you are mad at that guy, well you can always just never communicate with him, but you wouldn't break his alliance at all Well, maybe I forgot something in the OP about it and it does something else.
EDIT: Oh yeah, thanks to the hosts for this game. Hopefully another one is hosted soon and I don't rage so much in it
You would be forced to break an alliance if one of the players you were allied to was about to meet their win condition before you were.
The only way that would happen is he met his win-condition by having you win, in which case where's the problem?
If the guy is about to meet his win condition before you were he would have met it whether he was allied to you or not.
I take it you mean that he was allied to player B, and you+him+B are the only ones remaining or something yet you are not allied to B or something like that? I don't remember if in that case the game ended with you losing or not..? If that's the case then I guess that's the only way to break an alliance with someone, but I doubt you'd do that on D2 after you were forced to be allied to the guy.
On August 26 2012 10:08 Risen wrote: Whoever got yanked by Atki could easily have broken alliance with him and outed him to the thread. Would have been hard to justify not lynching him. He also didn't have jack shit in the way of defenses lol
I don't think anyone is in a position to break an alliance in this game, and nobody would.
If Atki produces enough troops I don't see how his "defensive handicap" would have mattered, specially if other allies of him traded troops to him.
Also damn, up until N1 or so I thought our "Conversion Resistance" ability RBed the guy we used it on from making night actions as well as receiving them
if the Teuton guy pointed his power at himself he would've stopped the Mongol power use that night.
But in that case ET couldn't have allied me wouldn't he?
I just think it came down to one man and two man alliance groups very quickly and breaking alliance with atki to get him lynched would have been the play to go for. It's what I would do if he ripped me off from my homies.
On August 26 2012 10:20 Risen wrote: I just think it came down to one man and two man alliance groups very quickly and breaking alliance with atki to get him lynched would have been the play to go for. It's what I would do if he ripped me off from my homies.
Yeah well he died that night so that's kind of what happened actually
i think the modkills of sinensis and rastaban were huge. the clash between the two 4 mans should have defined this game. they should have effectively cancelled each other out.
On August 26 2012 10:08 Risen wrote: Whoever got yanked by Atki could easily have broken alliance with him and outed him to the thread. Would have been hard to justify not lynching him. He also didn't have jack shit in the way of defenses lol
I don't think anyone is in a position to break an alliance in this game, and nobody would.
If Atki produces enough troops I don't see how his "defensive handicap" would have mattered, specially if other allies of him traded troops to him.
Also damn, up until N1 or so I thought our "Conversion Resistance" ability RBed the guy we used it on from making night actions as well as receiving them
if the Teuton guy pointed his power at himself he would've stopped the Mongol power use that night.
But in that case ET couldn't have allied me wouldn't he?
For anyone who didn't know, Bugs is pretty beastly. The amount of setup that went into this game was massive, and I would not have wanted to be in his shoes for the first couple days trying to keep track of everything that everyone was doing and had.
On August 26 2012 10:28 s0Lstice wrote: i think the modkills of sinensis and rastaban were huge. the clash between the two 4 mans should have defined this game. they should have effectively cancelled each other out.
Yeah, if Rastaban had posted 15 minutes earlier, he would have voted for the other person, I would have lived and our alliance would have been much stronger.
sorry for AFK-ing N0. I fucked over Sir Posts a Lot, essentially. and s0lstice.
This was a very ambitious idea, but I feel like something was lacking. I didn't feel like there was anything to really argue about, or to analyze. I'm not sure about a solution; to keep the vibe of alliances, you can't really make a mafia faction. Without some sort of "common" enemy, I didn't really see how I could convince people to do one thing or another.
On August 26 2012 10:08 Risen wrote: Whoever got yanked by Atki could easily have broken alliance with him and outed him to the thread. Would have been hard to justify not lynching him. He also didn't have jack shit in the way of defenses lol
I don't think anyone is in a position to break an alliance in this game, and nobody would.
If Atki produces enough troops I don't see how his "defensive handicap" would have mattered, specially if other allies of him traded troops to him.
Also damn, up until N1 or so I thought our "Conversion Resistance" ability RBed the guy we used it on from making night actions as well as receiving them
if the Teuton guy pointed his power at himself he would've stopped the Mongol power use that night.
But in that case ET couldn't have allied me wouldn't he?
that's true, as well.
I couldn't do one without the other. Since ET was going to ally me, I knew I couldn't use that ability on me at all so I didn't even think of using it Other than that it seemed kind of useless..? What purpose would it have on using it on someone other than me/one ally of mine? The only way it would have worked was if the guy I used it on traded with someone, and that wouldn't be that much effective either. If I use it one me/allies of mine I can't trade with those either, so it's kind of a JailKeeper ability that doesn't protect from KP but just night actions.
Yeah our race kind of sucked. Maybe that Fortify ability would have been useful though, although I thought it would have given us 2 walls, not just a "castle" to protect ourselves
Whether Atki had "no defenses" (which I yet don't see how bad it is if he can still produce troops/be traded for troops) is irrelevant to his power being OP. By using his power every 2nd night, he guarantees the guy he used it on has no other allies and less troops/no night actions (so his own alliance has more chances to win), and he allies that guy himself (so he has 1 more ally to expand his win condition). Even if he dies eventually because of his "low defenses", he can fuck up a lot of alliances and convert lots of guys to be allies of him, so even if he dies he can easily win the game (via his initial allies who will have an easy game, or via his new allies). Even if he has "low defenses", it's not a guarantee that he will die soon, since someone has to attack him first. I didn't see anybody attack Zentor/marv/solstice, so if one of those had the Mongol ability their "low defenses" wouldn't have mattered at all.
Also marv/Risen ,y u fuck with us so much? We wasted our PM to ally you and that's how you treated us?
I kind of agree with ET that there was nothing to discuss. I kind of assumed everybody was full of shit as soon as the game started and didn't want to post at all to give everybody 0% information. If everybody follows the same idea then nobody posts at all. For that to be more useful it needs to have more mechanics I think, so it resembles the Liar Game or something more (and open manipulation has more bearing in the game and stuff).
It was a good idea though, and I can see how much effort wbg put into it, which I appreciate... ....although again, Atki's ability
Damn that pissed me off
Also: who was the damn dude that voted Island instead of Acrhipielago!!!????
We could have been in a water level and that would have been so awesome Of course ET didn't read our PMs before voting and going AFK so he didn't vote Archipielago either
We had this awesome plan to misslynch Tunkeg/Sentinel on D1/D2 (because they claimed they got Vikings and a water map was chosen) and reap the benefits of the map via solstice Japenese guys, and never get scouted so nobody would know solstice was Japanese at all, so solstice would give us ships every once and then and we'd be invincible!
GG, thanks for hosting. I feel our group should have had this as I said in thread earlier, we were very unlikely to be strong. Had we played the game a hundred times more often than not we would be in pretty weak alliances.
Was great fun playing with you guys in our alliance. And had it not been for us messing up 3 times we should have taken this. First one was me talking in thread. I should have just been silent. The ones talking were the ones who got taken out this game, and no one ever gets my arguements anyways. Second and third was day 2 were none of our alliance should die and we ended up with 2 dead.
With this being said this was the most fun game I have played on TL mafia. And you guys in the alliance is the reason for that. If you ever want to Hydra up give me a shout and I am game.
On August 26 2012 17:42 gonzaw wrote: Also marv/Risen ,y u fuck with us so much? We wasted our PM to ally you and that's how you treated us?
Oh, heh, our 4-P alliance was set up early in the PM phase. Marv/Risen PMed me, I PMed Sent, and Atki PMed Marv/Risen. We got Sent to PM Atki, and went around the circle both ways to confirm nobody was lying. When we got the PM from ET, we decided the best thing to do was just say "yeah sorry bro doosk"
On August 26 2012 10:08 Risen wrote: Whoever got yanked by Atki could easily have broken alliance with him and outed him to the thread. Would have been hard to justify not lynching him. He also didn't have jack shit in the way of defenses lol
I don't think anyone is in a position to break an alliance in this game, and nobody would.
If Atki produces enough troops I don't see how his "defensive handicap" would have mattered, specially if other allies of him traded troops to him.
Also damn, up until N1 or so I thought our "Conversion Resistance" ability RBed the guy we used it on from making night actions as well as receiving them
if the Teuton guy pointed his power at himself he would've stopped the Mongol power use that night.
But in that case ET couldn't have allied me wouldn't he?
that's true, as well.
I couldn't do one without the other. Since ET was going to ally me, I knew I couldn't use that ability on me at all so I didn't even think of using it Other than that it seemed kind of useless..? What purpose would it have on using it on someone other than me/one ally of mine? The only way it would have worked was if the guy I used it on traded with someone, and that wouldn't be that much effective either. If I use it one me/allies of mine I can't trade with those either, so it's kind of a JailKeeper ability that doesn't protect from KP but just night actions.
Yeah our race kind of sucked. Maybe that Fortify ability would have been useful though, although I thought it would have given us 2 walls, not just a "castle" to protect ourselves
Whether Atki had "no defenses" (which I yet don't see how bad it is if he can still produce troops/be traded for troops) is irrelevant to his power being OP. By using his power every 2nd night, he guarantees the guy he used it on has no other allies and less troops/no night actions (so his own alliance has more chances to win), and he allies that guy himself (so he has 1 more ally to expand his win condition). Even if he dies eventually because of his "low defenses", he can fuck up a lot of alliances and convert lots of guys to be allies of him, so even if he dies he can easily win the game (via his initial allies who will have an easy game, or via his new allies). Even if he has "low defenses", it's not a guarantee that he will die soon, since someone has to attack him first. I didn't see anybody attack Zentor/marv/solstice, so if one of those had the Mongol ability their "low defenses" wouldn't have mattered at all.
Also marv/Risen ,y u fuck with us so much? We wasted our PM to ally you and that's how you treated us?
I kind of agree with ET that there was nothing to discuss. I kind of assumed everybody was full of shit as soon as the game started and didn't want to post at all to give everybody 0% information. If everybody follows the same idea then nobody posts at all. For that to be more useful it needs to have more mechanics I think, so it resembles the Liar Game or something more (and open manipulation has more bearing in the game and stuff).
It was a good idea though, and I can see how much effort wbg put into it, which I appreciate... ....although again, Atki's ability
Damn that pissed me off
Also: who was the damn dude that voted Island instead of Acrhipielago!!!????
We could have been in a water level and that would have been so awesome Of course ET didn't read our PMs before voting and going AFK so he didn't vote Archipielago either
We had this awesome plan to misslynch Tunkeg/Sentinel on D1/D2 (because they claimed they got Vikings and a water map was chosen) and reap the benefits of the map via solstice Japenese guys, and never get scouted so nobody would know solstice was Japanese at all, so solstice would give us ships every once and then and we'd be invincible!
Damn you Island guy
lol okay I'll stop posting.
Obviously it kinda sucked that the Mongol power was used against you n1, but the fortify thing was the best defensive power in the game. It would've made you invulnerable for 3 nights straight basically (wall one night and then fortify the other 2). The only thing that could stop that was the Britons night power or coming at you with siege weapons.
Basically if anyone attacked you, their army would be smashed against your castles and they would lose literally everything. Plus on the first night the castles wouldn't show up in the scout report.
I wanted to see someone get into castle age and rip people apart but no one tried that :p too risky I guess, what with everyone knowing you got there and being able to vote you out of the game. Fulblade managed to do it but his allies were all gone lol.
Night attacks had little to do in this game. I think the only guys that died at night were Atki and BM right? Other than that everybody was either modkilled or lynched, so I guess I don't really think of "uber night defenses" as something too useful, and other night/day abilities had much more to do with the game and more "powerful" in a way.
I think there should be either less "lynches", or a way to let the real battles and AoE strategy be game-changing. In this game I didn't see the difference between having any type of troops/resources/etc since night attacks had little to do with the game (from what I know). The whole game basically revolved on trying to get double-lynches basically. I think the focus should be on the AoE strategy and not on the lynches themselves, if not the AoE strategy seems kind of pointless.
Well, I take it that some of that "fear" may be from the way you play AoE itself.
Like, you don't instantly attack as soon as the game starts, you try to build a huge army, get lots of resources, advance ages, and try to attack when the time is right. In this game the "right time" may be in N5 or something.
If people waste the early days trying to stock up and strengthen, and there are lynches every day, then the lynches will be way more important than the AoE game itself.
On August 27 2012 06:40 gonzaw wrote: Well, I take it that some of that "fear" may be from the way you play AoE itself.
Like, you don't instantly attack as soon as the game starts, you try to build a huge army, get lots of resources, advance ages, and try to attack when the time is right. In this game the "right time" may be in N5 or something.
Actually in multiplayer you usually attack almost as soon as you can. Obviously you'd only know that if you've played before, but just for clarification :p
On August 27 2012 06:40 gonzaw wrote: If people waste the early days trying to stock up and strengthen, and there are lynches every day, then the lynches will be way more important than the AoE game itself.
Is there a way to solve that?
Well some choices were rather strange (like Blazinghand's choice to out himself as part of a strong alliance) so I think in the absence of these things the double lynches wouldn't have been as likely.
People should've considered faking scout reports or overhyping the strength of enemies to get them lynched. I was surprised no one thought of that.
People should've considered faking scout reports or overhyping the strength of enemies to get them lynched. I was surprised no one thought of that.
I take it people didn't want to risk being outed as "liars" once the real guy counterclaimed his report. In that situation it's most likely the guy who made the report lied rather than the guy he scouted. Unless he reports the guy has like 100 archers or something.
Also, why overhype the strength of enemies if you can get them lynched even if their army sucks? (yes I can't get over my and ET's lynch yet >_> )
Night attack would have played a big part in this game had it gone down abit differently. Our alliance would have tried to take out 2 n1 had we had all 4. We would 100% kill someone n2 if we had not lost two day 2. The AoE element of this game worked perfectly fine. The lynching not so much if you ask me, people not discussing anything allways leads "town" to lose. The players who were without an alliance this game played a pretty poor game I think, handing the win over to the winning team. By n3 the big alliances were down to 2 and 1, and the only reason for the winning team to be 2 was my alliance stacking BH at day and Atki at night. They would have just rolled over the game without us. I called 3 of 4 members day 1 in thread and still no one cared.
This game was basicly two alliances fighting and a bunch of bored players for fillers.
On August 27 2012 08:42 Tunkeg wrote: The lynching not so much if you ask me, people not discussing anything allways leads "town" to lose. The players who were without an alliance this game played a pretty poor game I think, handing the win over to the winning team. By n3 the big alliances were down to 2 and 1, and the only reason for the winning team to be 2 was my alliance stacking BH at day and Atki at night.
FWIW the D1 lynch was AMAZING for "town" if you define town as the 5 players not allied with either you or me. I couldn't imagine a better result than hitting both of the 4-man alliances at once for the third of the players who weren't in the two 4-mans.
On August 27 2012 08:42 Tunkeg wrote: The lynching not so much if you ask me, people not discussing anything allways leads "town" to lose. The players who were without an alliance this game played a pretty poor game I think, handing the win over to the winning team. By n3 the big alliances were down to 2 and 1, and the only reason for the winning team to be 2 was my alliance stacking BH at day and Atki at night.
FWIW the D1 lynch was AMAZING for "town" if you define town as the 5 players not allied with either you or me. I couldn't imagine a better result than hitting both of the 4-man alliances at once for the third of the players who weren't in the two 4-mans.
Day 1 was poor as hell from "town", the only reason it worked out for town was because I happend to be in an alliance, you said it yourself in pm after, the reason you went after me was because I was an easy target, not because you were convinced I was strong, you dominated me in the arguements and manipulated the neutrals with ease. In other words they got lucky. If we played this game 100 times I would be unallied more often than not. If I weren't allied I would have been lynched alone and you guys would have won it even easier.
On August 27 2012 08:26 gonzaw wrote: Also, why overhype the strength of enemies if you can get them lynched even if their army sucks? (yes I can't get over my and ET's lynch yet >_> )
yeah perhaps this might have been a mentality problem for some players.
I think they didn't fully understand what their own self-interests were, so they went with any lynch that wasn't themselves.
Possibly a byproduct of information overload as well (and I will say that the setup was probably too complex)
On August 27 2012 08:42 Tunkeg wrote: The lynching not so much if you ask me, people not discussing anything allways leads "town" to lose. The players who were without an alliance this game played a pretty poor game I think, handing the win over to the winning team. By n3 the big alliances were down to 2 and 1, and the only reason for the winning team to be 2 was my alliance stacking BH at day and Atki at night.
FWIW the D1 lynch was AMAZING for "town" if you define town as the 5 players not allied with either you or me. I couldn't imagine a better result than hitting both of the 4-man alliances at once for the third of the players who weren't in the two 4-mans.
Day 1 was poor as hell from "town", the only reason it worked out for town was because I happend to be in an alliance, you said it yourself in pm after, the reason you went after me was because I was an easy target, not because you were convinced I was strong, you dominated me in the arguements and manipulated the neutrals with ease. In other words they got lucky. If we played this game 100 times I would be unallied more often than not. If I weren't allied I would have been lynched alone and you guys would have won it even easier.
I still don't buy your "nobody likes me therefore nobody allies me" thing. Only one person event sent me a PM dude
On August 27 2012 08:42 Tunkeg wrote: The lynching not so much if you ask me, people not discussing anything allways leads "town" to lose. The players who were without an alliance this game played a pretty poor game I think, handing the win over to the winning team. By n3 the big alliances were down to 2 and 1, and the only reason for the winning team to be 2 was my alliance stacking BH at day and Atki at night.
FWIW the D1 lynch was AMAZING for "town" if you define town as the 5 players not allied with either you or me. I couldn't imagine a better result than hitting both of the 4-man alliances at once for the third of the players who weren't in the two 4-mans.
Day 1 was poor as hell from "town", the only reason it worked out for town was because I happend to be in an alliance, you said it yourself in pm after, the reason you went after me was because I was an easy target, not because you were convinced I was strong, you dominated me in the arguements and manipulated the neutrals with ease. In other words they got lucky. If we played this game 100 times I would be unallied more often than not. If I weren't allied I would have been lynched alone and you guys would have won it even easier.
I still don't buy your "nobody likes me therefore nobody allies me" thing. Only one person event sent me a PM dude
Me and my allies got one pm each, meaning if I had not set up the chain as I did we probably would have gotten none. I still believe the more reknowned players will be more likely to be in a good alliance, and they are also more likely to be able to manipulate the rest. Its all relative though, with a different group of players others might be consider stronger.
On August 27 2012 08:42 Tunkeg wrote: The lynching not so much if you ask me, people not discussing anything allways leads "town" to lose. The players who were without an alliance this game played a pretty poor game I think, handing the win over to the winning team. By n3 the big alliances were down to 2 and 1, and the only reason for the winning team to be 2 was my alliance stacking BH at day and Atki at night.
FWIW the D1 lynch was AMAZING for "town" if you define town as the 5 players not allied with either you or me. I couldn't imagine a better result than hitting both of the 4-man alliances at once for the third of the players who weren't in the two 4-mans.
Day 1 was poor as hell from "town", the only reason it worked out for town was because I happend to be in an alliance, you said it yourself in pm after, the reason you went after me was because I was an easy target, not because you were convinced I was strong, you dominated me in the arguements and manipulated the neutrals with ease. In other words they got lucky. If we played this game 100 times I would be unallied more often than not. If I weren't allied I would have been lynched alone and you guys would have won it even easier.
I still don't buy your "nobody likes me therefore nobody allies me" thing. Only one person event sent me a PM dude
Me and my allies got one pm each, meaning if I had not set up the chain as I did we probably would have gotten none. I still believe the more reknowned players will be more likely to be in a good alliance, and they are also more likely to be able to manipulate the rest. Its all relative though, with a different group of players others might be consider stronger.
Me and my allies got one pm each, meaning if I had not set up the chain as I did, looping it around, we'd be in the same boat.
You should be happy though BH, you put a pretty obvious group of players together and won. Meaning you outclassed the rest of the players in this game big time in thread. While I should be ashamed of my play in thread, I managed to get a pretty unlikely group together and then proceed to get myself eliminated day 1, and fucking my group over badly.
On August 27 2012 08:42 Tunkeg wrote: The lynching not so much if you ask me, people not discussing anything allways leads "town" to lose. The players who were without an alliance this game played a pretty poor game I think, handing the win over to the winning team. By n3 the big alliances were down to 2 and 1, and the only reason for the winning team to be 2 was my alliance stacking BH at day and Atki at night.
FWIW the D1 lynch was AMAZING for "town" if you define town as the 5 players not allied with either you or me. I couldn't imagine a better result than hitting both of the 4-man alliances at once for the third of the players who weren't in the two 4-mans.
Day 1 was poor as hell from "town", the only reason it worked out for town was because I happend to be in an alliance, you said it yourself in pm after, the reason you went after me was because I was an easy target, not because you were convinced I was strong, you dominated me in the arguements and manipulated the neutrals with ease. In other words they got lucky. If we played this game 100 times I would be unallied more often than not. If I weren't allied I would have been lynched alone and you guys would have won it even easier.
I still don't buy your "nobody likes me therefore nobody allies me" thing. Only one person event sent me a PM dude
Me and my allies got one pm each, meaning if I had not set up the chain as I did we probably would have gotten none. I still believe the more reknowned players will be more likely to be in a good alliance, and they are also more likely to be able to manipulate the rest. Its all relative though, with a different group of players others might be consider stronger.
Me and my allies got one pm each, meaning if I had not set up the chain as I did, looping it around, we'd be in the same boat.
Then the rest played a horrible game not getting a strong third alliance going. As their pm had to be sent between those 5.
I/Matt were planning on a sol/ET/BM/me 4 man alliance, but well BM didn't communicate with sol at all, and ET....well you guys know what happened with ET >_>
Everybody was just so silent lol even though I spammed PMs to everybody.
EDIT: @Tunkeg: Nobody knew the "allied circles" in the drafting phase at all, so it's not as easy as "the rest had to send PMs to the remaining 5 players", since the 5 remaining guys could have sent PMs to people from the already formed 4-man alliances, which is what happened (with me/Mat and marv for instance).
It had to do with luck as well. Had I used my PM on someone that hadn't formed an alliance by then I could have made a bigger alliance.
On August 27 2012 08:26 gonzaw wrote: Also, why overhype the strength of enemies if you can get them lynched even if their army sucks? (yes I can't get over my and ET's lynch yet >_> )
yeah perhaps this might have been a mentality problem for some players.
I think they didn't fully understand what their own self-interests were, so they went with any lynch that wasn't themselves.
Possibly a byproduct of information overload as well (and I will say that the setup was probably too complex)
the two 4-man alliances should be lynching anyone that wasn't their ally regardless of their strength.
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