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On July 16 2012 02:18 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 01:32 talismania wrote:hokay so DropBearI think he is scum for two reasons. 1) The timing with which he bashes my plan. Everyone else had already bashed it. If you look at that post, what possible purpose does it serve? It's not adding anything to the discussion, it's just prolonging it unnecessarily. On July 12 2012 15:18 DropBear wrote:This is silly. On July 12 2012 08:50 talismania wrote:
pardon me for some half-assed musing:
since we've got majority lynch to deal with, what about some sort of nomination system? I don't like how majority allows townies and scum alike to save their opinions on people, especially day one and just hop on whatever bandwagon is happening near the end of the day. It would be nice if, say, 24 hours in everyone puts up a list of three players they want to see in consideration for the lynch and reasons why. Then all that gets tallied up or something and we decide between the popular choices. Actually you wouldn't even need to tally or enforce that. Just having everyone put up three names with reasons should be good enough to move discussion towards a consensus lynch candidate or two (hush s&b yes I am and always will try to get people to post their impressions of others). This isn't going to happen and would just waste time.
On the majority lynch, day 1 this tends to be a right kerfuffle. I can't think of any system that has ever worked on day 1 in games I have been part of. So fuck a system, we deal with it when the time comes. There should be solid candidates by then anyway. 2) Weird tone. He was an aggressive player when I played with him last, but didn't get feisty (the "angry koala" as acrofales dubbed him) until he was threatened with a lynch. He's been ornery and disruptive this entire game and I can't figure out why. Plus when he was angry before, it was righteous anger. This feels like sarcastic, trollish ribbing. Examples below: On July 12 2012 15:00 DropBear wrote:Hello everyone. I strongly disagree with town roleblocker being forced to claim, let alone not using their power. Having been one in past games that actually managed to block mafia KP I can testify to the usefulness of using this power. With the added possibility of jailkeeper and mafia roleblocker any claim could be complete bogus anyway and would be very difficult to verify. If you are town roleblocker do not claim!
One thing I would like to say about how we go about things, please don't overpost. Say what you need to say and shut up. Be concise and clear. This does not mean don't post, nor does it mean don't post often. It means don't post crap that doesn't need to be said. Stuff like this isn't necessary and clogs up your filter, please don't do it. On July 12 2012 12:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit I used a smiley face... On July 12 2012 18:09 DropBear wrote:On July 12 2012 16:10 gonzaw wrote:On July 12 2012 15:38 Keirathi wrote:On July 12 2012 15:14 DropBear wrote:On July 12 2012 15:06 Keirathi wrote:
I don't think anyone is saying roleblocker should never, under any circumstances, use their power.
But it needs to be used with extreme caution because you probably have a higher chance (or at the very least, equal) of blocking a town blue than blocking a KP if you just pick randomly.
There are certainly situations where it can be a useful power, of course, but its much safer just to not use it until you have good, solid reads. People have in fact said that it shouldn't be used period. Gonzawtalismania Then I completely disagree with them. I'm still not positive they mean that there is a never a situation where RB can be useful, but if they think that then I encourage them to think harder. Obviously there are exceptions. If there are 2 "very obvious scum" or something (and only 2 scum remain) then he can try to RB those. But him trying to RB at random on N1 or even on N2 seems too risky to me, specially if that guys doesn't have very good reads (and isn't lucky). @Dropbear: I don't like your attitude. You just busted into the thread, basically discredited everything everybody said, and discredited every accusation anybody else has done, and that's it. All the while acting like you own the place or something (without actually taking charge). However you are not progressing at all, you are just complaining. Actually lets get the ball rolling (this thread is VERY silent so far, hopefully this changes that): ##Vote: Dropbear You're just mad that I think your idea on the roleblocker is bad and your cases are bad. On July 13 2012 02:58 DropBear wrote:On July 13 2012 02:20 talismania wrote:On July 13 2012 02:00 DropBear wrote:
##Vote Vivax the hell? any reasons beyond what marv said? I called him out as being suss last page, do you read boy? On July 13 2012 17:01 DropBear wrote:On July 13 2012 09:07 Vivax wrote:I'm not comfortable with a tali lynch. Comparing filters I found Miltonkrams filter to be fairly empty and he targetted the easy target. He posted 1. A list of his games to make himself available for a metacheck. 2. He comments on Talis plan being bad, and that being reason enough to be scummy. My impression of talis plan gone bad so far: It's a magnet for players with no/bad cases to have a reason to post something accusing. The downside is that it might have triggered policy discussion and a lot of chaos, while promising a lot of clarity by forcing players to take a hard stance, so talis plan was risky from a town perspective, and I'd leave it at that. He said it worked in bastard mafia, let's leave it at that: It won't be used here. 3. On July 13 2012 06:35 Miltonkram wrote:
I don't find the fact that he came up with the plan scummy, I find the amount of time he's spent defending himself from the fallout of his plan scummy. I think he's spent 3 or 4 posts just defending himself.
Defending oneself isn't scummy. If it's really the only thing you do, then yes, but Milton already knows that it's not the only thing tali is doing: On July 13 2012 06:48 Miltonkram wrote:
EBWOP: I didn't notice that talismania was actually putting a fair amount of pressure on austinmcc. I still find the amount of time he's spent talking about his proposal scummy, but he has put a small amount of pressure on players. still seems to firmly believe in a scum tali. He doesn't have any other reads. He comments on Keirathi and sciberbia being unreadable to him. I'll go for Milton if I don't see some arguments to his defense. I'll defend Milton for you  He started late so hasn't posted as much. We knew that was happening before the games started. Your point 1 directly helps people get a read on him. This is extremely positive town play. In your point 2, you say how the plan allows pointless posting and how that doesn't help town, but then turn around and lambast Milton for pointing this out. Contradiction much? There is no real pressure from talismania on austin at all. Milton is right, talismania IS only defending the plan and not committing to accusations. Three reads is enough for day 1, no? Posting your read on every single person is just clutter. You should be less obvious in defending your buddy. SCUM TEAM
Vivax
talismania (the entire tone of the above post)^ What makes the timing of that post and his tone scummy? Well both are unnecessary, both are disruptive and create an anti-town atmosphere, and, in the case of this response to my plan, it is essentially just an excuse to add filler to his filter. Look like contributing without actually contributing. He's also had a relatively narrow focus, only looking at vivax and me. And really he was only looking at vivax, but then somehow in his last post I got shoehorned into the picture, perhaps to give him cover to vote for me later on. ##vote: DropBear This is case is so forced and bad. It is like he looked at the player list, and said i'll try to make a case against dropbear today so i can look townie to everyone! The first point is the timing of his response to Talis. Everyone responded to Talis's case including some LATER than Dropbear. Why is he treating Drop different from say S&B or anyone else that talked about his plan. NOT TO MENTION HE THEN GOES ON TO TALK ABOUT HIS PLAN AT LENGTH LATER IN HIS FILTER LOL.The second point is the most commonly used tactic by bad players to lynch someone they don't like. I think Gonzaw fell prey to this a little too, but I don't know if his intentions were the same. Talis is literally saying, you were mean and that could create a bad town atmosphere (which aggressive DOES NOT EQUAL scum) and I would hope both Talis and Gonzaw as town would know this. Since his vote on dropbear, he has been completely useless in the thread + Show Spoiler +(hur dur pot calling the kettle black) . He hasn't reached out to people to get on his vote in a townie way at all despite that one (albeit terrible) case, never actually pushing dropbears lynch. He doesn't reach out to others to help him lynch Dropbear with reasons or anything like that. talismania is scum.
let me get this straight.
you do nothing day one except poke and prod at people.
you show up near the lynch and ask when it's happening and all that but then somehow mysteriously disappear and leave your vote on sciberbia for some reason. btw you completely haven't even talked about this since it happened.
you then come into the thread like nothing has happened and copy stuff everyone else has said about me and throw it together in a case. It's like you took austin's "he talks about his plan!" and dropbear's "your case is shit" and gonzaw's "you weren't around after you made a big post" and then finished it off with sciberbia's bold red text
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also wtf happened to your suspicions of sciberbia - what made you change your mind there?
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On July 16 2012 02:18 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 01:32 talismania wrote:hokay so DropBearI think he is scum for two reasons. 1) The timing with which he bashes my plan. Everyone else had already bashed it. If you look at that post, what possible purpose does it serve? It's not adding anything to the discussion, it's just prolonging it unnecessarily. On July 12 2012 15:18 DropBear wrote:This is silly. On July 12 2012 08:50 talismania wrote:
pardon me for some half-assed musing:
since we've got majority lynch to deal with, what about some sort of nomination system? I don't like how majority allows townies and scum alike to save their opinions on people, especially day one and just hop on whatever bandwagon is happening near the end of the day. It would be nice if, say, 24 hours in everyone puts up a list of three players they want to see in consideration for the lynch and reasons why. Then all that gets tallied up or something and we decide between the popular choices. Actually you wouldn't even need to tally or enforce that. Just having everyone put up three names with reasons should be good enough to move discussion towards a consensus lynch candidate or two (hush s&b yes I am and always will try to get people to post their impressions of others). This isn't going to happen and would just waste time.
On the majority lynch, day 1 this tends to be a right kerfuffle. I can't think of any system that has ever worked on day 1 in games I have been part of. So fuck a system, we deal with it when the time comes. There should be solid candidates by then anyway. 2) Weird tone. He was an aggressive player when I played with him last, but didn't get feisty (the "angry koala" as acrofales dubbed him) until he was threatened with a lynch. He's been ornery and disruptive this entire game and I can't figure out why. Plus when he was angry before, it was righteous anger. This feels like sarcastic, trollish ribbing. Examples below: On July 12 2012 15:00 DropBear wrote:Hello everyone. I strongly disagree with town roleblocker being forced to claim, let alone not using their power. Having been one in past games that actually managed to block mafia KP I can testify to the usefulness of using this power. With the added possibility of jailkeeper and mafia roleblocker any claim could be complete bogus anyway and would be very difficult to verify. If you are town roleblocker do not claim!
One thing I would like to say about how we go about things, please don't overpost. Say what you need to say and shut up. Be concise and clear. This does not mean don't post, nor does it mean don't post often. It means don't post crap that doesn't need to be said. Stuff like this isn't necessary and clogs up your filter, please don't do it. On July 12 2012 12:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit I used a smiley face... On July 12 2012 18:09 DropBear wrote:On July 12 2012 16:10 gonzaw wrote:On July 12 2012 15:38 Keirathi wrote:On July 12 2012 15:14 DropBear wrote:On July 12 2012 15:06 Keirathi wrote:
I don't think anyone is saying roleblocker should never, under any circumstances, use their power.
But it needs to be used with extreme caution because you probably have a higher chance (or at the very least, equal) of blocking a town blue than blocking a KP if you just pick randomly.
There are certainly situations where it can be a useful power, of course, but its much safer just to not use it until you have good, solid reads. People have in fact said that it shouldn't be used period. Gonzawtalismania Then I completely disagree with them. I'm still not positive they mean that there is a never a situation where RB can be useful, but if they think that then I encourage them to think harder. Obviously there are exceptions. If there are 2 "very obvious scum" or something (and only 2 scum remain) then he can try to RB those. But him trying to RB at random on N1 or even on N2 seems too risky to me, specially if that guys doesn't have very good reads (and isn't lucky). @Dropbear: I don't like your attitude. You just busted into the thread, basically discredited everything everybody said, and discredited every accusation anybody else has done, and that's it. All the while acting like you own the place or something (without actually taking charge). However you are not progressing at all, you are just complaining. Actually lets get the ball rolling (this thread is VERY silent so far, hopefully this changes that): ##Vote: Dropbear You're just mad that I think your idea on the roleblocker is bad and your cases are bad. On July 13 2012 02:58 DropBear wrote:On July 13 2012 02:20 talismania wrote:On July 13 2012 02:00 DropBear wrote:
##Vote Vivax the hell? any reasons beyond what marv said? I called him out as being suss last page, do you read boy? On July 13 2012 17:01 DropBear wrote:On July 13 2012 09:07 Vivax wrote:I'm not comfortable with a tali lynch. Comparing filters I found Miltonkrams filter to be fairly empty and he targetted the easy target. He posted 1. A list of his games to make himself available for a metacheck. 2. He comments on Talis plan being bad, and that being reason enough to be scummy. My impression of talis plan gone bad so far: It's a magnet for players with no/bad cases to have a reason to post something accusing. The downside is that it might have triggered policy discussion and a lot of chaos, while promising a lot of clarity by forcing players to take a hard stance, so talis plan was risky from a town perspective, and I'd leave it at that. He said it worked in bastard mafia, let's leave it at that: It won't be used here. 3. On July 13 2012 06:35 Miltonkram wrote:
I don't find the fact that he came up with the plan scummy, I find the amount of time he's spent defending himself from the fallout of his plan scummy. I think he's spent 3 or 4 posts just defending himself.
Defending oneself isn't scummy. If it's really the only thing you do, then yes, but Milton already knows that it's not the only thing tali is doing: On July 13 2012 06:48 Miltonkram wrote:
EBWOP: I didn't notice that talismania was actually putting a fair amount of pressure on austinmcc. I still find the amount of time he's spent talking about his proposal scummy, but he has put a small amount of pressure on players. still seems to firmly believe in a scum tali. He doesn't have any other reads. He comments on Keirathi and sciberbia being unreadable to him. I'll go for Milton if I don't see some arguments to his defense. I'll defend Milton for you He started late so hasn't posted as much. We knew that was happening before the games started. Your point 1 directly helps people get a read on him. This is extremely positive town play. In your point 2, you say how the plan allows pointless posting and how that doesn't help town, but then turn around and lambast Milton for pointing this out. Contradiction much? There is no real pressure from talismania on austin at all. Milton is right, talismania IS only defending the plan and not committing to accusations. Three reads is enough for day 1, no? Posting your read on every single person is just clutter. You should be less obvious in defending your buddy. SCUM TEAM
Vivax
talismania (the entire tone of the above post)^ What makes the timing of that post and his tone scummy? Well both are unnecessary, both are disruptive and create an anti-town atmosphere, and, in the case of this response to my plan, it is essentially just an excuse to add filler to his filter. Look like contributing without actually contributing. He's also had a relatively narrow focus, only looking at vivax and me. And really he was only looking at vivax, but then somehow in his last post I got shoehorned into the picture, perhaps to give him cover to vote for me later on. ##vote: DropBear This is case is so forced and bad. It is like he looked at the player list, and said i'll try to make a case against dropbear today so i can look townie to everyone! The first point is the timing of his response to Talis. Everyone responded to Talis's case including some LATER than Dropbear. Why is he treating Drop different from say S&B or anyone else that talked about his plan. NOT TO MENTION HE THEN GOES ON TO TALK ABOUT HIS PLAN AT LENGTH LATER IN HIS FILTER LOL.The second point is the most commonly used tactic by bad players to lynch someone they don't like. I think Gonzaw fell prey to this a little too, but I don't know if his intentions were the same. Talis is literally saying, you were mean and that could create a bad town atmosphere (which aggressive DOES NOT EQUAL scum) and I would hope both Talis and Gonzaw as town would know this. Since his vote on dropbear, he has been completely useless in the thread + Show Spoiler +(hur dur pot calling the kettle black) . He hasn't reached out to people to get on his vote in a townie way at all despite that one (albeit terrible) case, never actually pushing dropbears lynch. He doesn't reach out to others to help him lynch Dropbear with reasons or anything like that. talismania is scum.
ok I guess I should actually respond to this too.
1) My case against dropbear was obviously not me looking down the playerlist. It stemmed from how unncessary his response to my plan was, and was bolstered by his different behavior early this game compared to early in the game before.
2) I wasn't "literally" saying what you say I was. He was being aggressive, he was promoting a bad atmosphere. What makes that scummy in his case was that in this game he was doing it from the get-go, where in the previous game I had with him he didn't do it until acrofales started getting on his case. This is the critical distinction I don't know why people are not recognizing it.
3) Pot calling the kettle black indeed. Actually half the people in this game were pots calling the kettle black if they're going to call me useless at the end of D1 (including gonzaw and sciberbia, who both disappeared and showed up with like half an hour to go). I'll say again that I agree I could have done more to get dropbear lynched but at the time I wasn't entirely sure of what was going on. It's not like I did nothing. I asked keirathi and marv to put their votes on him (and I'm still confused marv didn't) and I thought both sciberbia and gonzaw were going to come down on dropbear's side as well based on what they posted. It honestly wasn't until the last five minutes it became clear it was vivax.
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On July 16 2012 03:08 DropBear wrote:Going back to look at yesterday's finaly votecount, these are a couple of things that interest me. Mattchew and Solstice stayed out of the lynch entirely. Their votes were throwaways.
Solstice has been very quiet and is suspect. Firstly this. This is very very strange. Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 03:56 s0Lstice wrote:
Vivax- what happened to Miltonkram? You've waffled around on him quite a bit, and now Risen is your top scumread? Miltonkram was certainly solstice's big scum read early on, yet he was dropped for Risen. But you call out Vivax for this? Secondly, solstice doesn't really perk up until there is a case against him. Look through his filter, he posts nothing remotely controversial before this. Lastly, why indeed did he vote for Risen? In doing this he directly avoided taking a side in the lynch and therefore responsibility, so why Risen? There are only two reasons given. Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 10:21 s0Lstice wrote:
Risen: I've spent a ton of time in his past games. The two biggest things he did when he was scum that he didn't do when he was town were: a)stressing repeatedly that it's too early to have reads, and b)being forthcoming/defending his 'town reads.' So far this game he has hit both of those marks. He defended Mattchew, and concluded that Dropbear being town is likely. He has said twice that it's too early to post reads.
a)Risen posted that it was too early for gonzaw to have reads on the third page of the game proper. Damn straight this is too early to have reads. This is the only time he does this at all. This scum meta solstice speaks of doesn't match up. b) B is tied to A. Firstly, he was actually one of the first to call me out. So that didn't happen. I can't actually find where he defended Mattchew anywhere in his filter beyond this post, which isn't defending anyone more attacking gonzaw for having strong reads so early. So basically the grave reasoning behind solstice staying out of the lynch were factually incorrect and/or very very weak. For hiding from controversy i.e. the lynch for very dodgy reasoning, his low activity before being on the back foot and calling out Vivax despite doing exactly the same thing himself, I will ##Vote s0Lstice
Mattchew was completely fucking useless day 1. There is so much crap in his filter I don't know how I didn't see it earlier. His vote on sciberbia was literally sheeping marv. He has now however just ninja'd with a case on tali that actually seems reasonable, regardless of it's defence of me. This is a very sudden change of tone from his previous stuff and I don't know what to make of it. I would have said very strong FoS up until this.
Hmm this is not what I expected you to do actually.
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I'm super sad I supported mattchew as town earlier. He's been playing pretty much just like he did as scum in his last game with me, that is, being hella lurky and trying to fly under the radar. Also, I don't know how to feel about the tali or DropBear case. Marv is confirmed towny and he really disliked tali (I think, maybe it was DB but I remember it being tali I just woke up and will go through the filters). I literally have nothing so I might just end up going with what marv wanted. I'm so unconfident in myself now it's kind of funny rofl (as opposed to my usualy self). I still don't like the people who defended vivax strongly, though. I just can't wrap my head around him being a townie... I'm bad, and I should feel bad :<
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On July 16 2012 03:57 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 03:08 DropBear wrote:Going back to look at yesterday's finaly votecount, these are a couple of things that interest me. Mattchew and Solstice stayed out of the lynch entirely. Their votes were throwaways.
Solstice has been very quiet and is suspect. Firstly this. This is very very strange. On July 14 2012 03:56 s0Lstice wrote:
Vivax- what happened to Miltonkram? You've waffled around on him quite a bit, and now Risen is your top scumread? Miltonkram was certainly solstice's big scum read early on, yet he was dropped for Risen. But you call out Vivax for this? Secondly, solstice doesn't really perk up until there is a case against him. Look through his filter, he posts nothing remotely controversial before this. Lastly, why indeed did he vote for Risen? In doing this he directly avoided taking a side in the lynch and therefore responsibility, so why Risen? There are only two reasons given. On July 13 2012 10:21 s0Lstice wrote:
Risen: I've spent a ton of time in his past games. The two biggest things he did when he was scum that he didn't do when he was town were: a)stressing repeatedly that it's too early to have reads, and b)being forthcoming/defending his 'town reads.' So far this game he has hit both of those marks. He defended Mattchew, and concluded that Dropbear being town is likely. He has said twice that it's too early to post reads.
a)Risen posted that it was too early for gonzaw to have reads on the third page of the game proper. Damn straight this is too early to have reads. This is the only time he does this at all. This scum meta solstice speaks of doesn't match up. b) B is tied to A. Firstly, he was actually one of the first to call me out. So that didn't happen. I can't actually find where he defended Mattchew anywhere in his filter beyond this post, which isn't defending anyone more attacking gonzaw for having strong reads so early. So basically the grave reasoning behind solstice staying out of the lynch were factually incorrect and/or very very weak. For hiding from controversy i.e. the lynch for very dodgy reasoning, his low activity before being on the back foot and calling out Vivax despite doing exactly the same thing himself, I will ##Vote s0Lstice
Mattchew was completely fucking useless day 1. There is so much crap in his filter I don't know how I didn't see it earlier. His vote on sciberbia was literally sheeping marv. He has now however just ninja'd with a case on tali that actually seems reasonable, regardless of it's defence of me. This is a very sudden change of tone from his previous stuff and I don't know what to make of it. I would have said very strong FoS up until this. Hmm this is not what I expected you to do actually.
I have no read on you, but I don't like this backtrack :/
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Going to lunch with my mentee, going to the store, then I'll be back. I'll go through and rebuild everything with Viv as a townie in mind (still... STILL hurts me on the inside that he was town and I could be so wrong. I have never felt so certain of someone being scum)
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Just woke up. I'm a little disappointed that my case for talis hasn't received more support. His defense was reasonable, but I still feel pretty strongly that he is scum.
@gonzaw
What do you think of talis right now? Would you be happy lynching him today?
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On July 16 2012 04:41 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 03:57 talismania wrote:On July 16 2012 03:08 DropBear wrote:Going back to look at yesterday's finaly votecount, these are a couple of things that interest me. Mattchew and Solstice stayed out of the lynch entirely. Their votes were throwaways.
Solstice has been very quiet and is suspect. Firstly this. This is very very strange. On July 14 2012 03:56 s0Lstice wrote:
Vivax- what happened to Miltonkram? You've waffled around on him quite a bit, and now Risen is your top scumread? Miltonkram was certainly solstice's big scum read early on, yet he was dropped for Risen. But you call out Vivax for this? Secondly, solstice doesn't really perk up until there is a case against him. Look through his filter, he posts nothing remotely controversial before this. Lastly, why indeed did he vote for Risen? In doing this he directly avoided taking a side in the lynch and therefore responsibility, so why Risen? There are only two reasons given. On July 13 2012 10:21 s0Lstice wrote:
Risen: I've spent a ton of time in his past games. The two biggest things he did when he was scum that he didn't do when he was town were: a)stressing repeatedly that it's too early to have reads, and b)being forthcoming/defending his 'town reads.' So far this game he has hit both of those marks. He defended Mattchew, and concluded that Dropbear being town is likely. He has said twice that it's too early to post reads.
a)Risen posted that it was too early for gonzaw to have reads on the third page of the game proper. Damn straight this is too early to have reads. This is the only time he does this at all. This scum meta solstice speaks of doesn't match up. b) B is tied to A. Firstly, he was actually one of the first to call me out. So that didn't happen. I can't actually find where he defended Mattchew anywhere in his filter beyond this post, which isn't defending anyone more attacking gonzaw for having strong reads so early. So basically the grave reasoning behind solstice staying out of the lynch were factually incorrect and/or very very weak. For hiding from controversy i.e. the lynch for very dodgy reasoning, his low activity before being on the back foot and calling out Vivax despite doing exactly the same thing himself, I will ##Vote s0Lstice
Mattchew was completely fucking useless day 1. There is so much crap in his filter I don't know how I didn't see it earlier. His vote on sciberbia was literally sheeping marv. He has now however just ninja'd with a case on tali that actually seems reasonable, regardless of it's defence of me. This is a very sudden change of tone from his previous stuff and I don't know what to make of it. I would have said very strong FoS up until this. Hmm this is not what I expected you to do actually. I have no read on you, but I don't like this backtrack :/
wouldn't call it a backtrack yet. I just thought he would pile on me.
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On July 16 2012 04:40 Risen wrote:
I'm super sad I supported mattchew as town earlier. He's been playing pretty much just like he did as scum in his last game with me, that is, being hella lurky and trying to fly under the radar. Also, I don't know how to feel about the tali or DropBear case. Marv is confirmed towny and he really disliked tali (I think, maybe it was DB but I remember it being tali I just woke up and will go through the filters). I literally have nothing so I might just end up going with what marv wanted. I'm so unconfident in myself now it's kind of funny rofl (as opposed to my usualy self). I still don't like the people who defended vivax strongly, though. I just can't wrap my head around him being a townie... I'm bad, and I should feel bad :<
marv didn't like dropbear. I dunno how he felt about me.
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On July 16 2012 04:58 sciberbia wrote:
Just woke up. I'm a little disappointed that my case for talis hasn't received more support. His defense was reasonable, but I still feel pretty strongly that he is scum.
@gonzaw
What do you think of talis right now? Would you be happy lynching him today?
so... what still makes you think I'm scum?
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Actually, Dropbear what do you think of me now?
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On July 16 2012 05:09 talismania wrote:
so... what still makes you think I'm scum?
@talis
I still find you scummy for the same reasons I stated earlier. Your defense has made me feel a bit sympathetic, but several suspicious points remain:
getting wrapped up with your plan (minor point)
wishy/washy (this is a serious point)
Scum are often wishy/washy and noncomittal. This leaves their options open. I found several posts where you display this behavior and it is suspicious.
feeling so strongly about dropbear but doing so little to get him lynched (major point)
not defending townreads
I felt like you were at least leaning townie on strongandbig and mattchew based on what you said in your giant post:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 14 2012 01:32 talismania wrote:
Mattchew: I dub mattchew "the poker-prodder". He keeps poking and prodding people. He's ultimately a null tell for me, as he is in every game I've ever seen him in. For a second I had him on my scummy list because of his "hey are you just actively lurking" post until now when I've re-read his filter and seen him poking at everyone. I am a bit surprised he's not voting for me - I think as scum he would have done that by now especially when he called me out like he did.
strongandbig: dear god this is tiring to make lol no wonder no one ever follows my plans. Anyway. I think he's playing pretty freely. I think he was scum in space station? He was more uptight then.
But apparently you didn't have any townreads at all (besides gonzaw + marv). This is suspicious.
going with the flow
You did not start the flow on dropbear and austin. Gonzaw did. You were also consistently friendly with gonzaw and marv. You even paid me a large compliment.
On July 14 2012 01:32 talismania wrote:
sciberbia: Sciberbia I am your biggest fan. I love the way you post. I have no idea what your alignment is but if everyone posted like you this game would be easy.
If you think you can buy me over by complimenting my posting style, well, it almost worked. But please save your praise until after you flip red.
I really don't have a lot more to say about talis. I'll let you know if my opinion of him changes, but I don't think it will. So I'll be turning my attention to defending other people that I don't want to lynch today.
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On July 16 2012 03:43 talismania wrote:
also wtf happened to your suspicions of sciberbia - what made you change your mind there?
still suspicious, just sure of you, nice scummy deflection btw
and risen, do you not agree with my case on Talis? What do you find wrong with it or townie about him
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Okay got back.
Skimming the thread, I got a weird feeling of solstice going against S&B, but that's maybe because I got a change of mind about S&B and wanted to give him a little break.
I see Mattchew just came right off the bat with a case and a vote...and I don't know if I like that (I didn't see him explaining wtf he did last day).
Anyways, gonna sort some stuff here in my house, do stuff for the other mafia game I'm playing, and get back here.
Dunno about talis yet, I'm having some difficulty trying to figure out the whole tails/Dropbear/solstice situation; but I'll make sure to read on that.
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On July 16 2012 06:28 gonzaw wrote:
Okay got back.
Skimming the thread, I got a weird feeling of solstice going against S&B, but that's maybe because I got a change of mind about S&B and wanted to give him a little break.
I see Mattchew just came right off the bat with a case and a vote...and I don't know if I like that (I didn't see him explaining wtf he did last day).
Anyways, gonna sort some stuff here in my house, do stuff for the other mafia game I'm playing, and get back here.
Dunno about talis yet, I'm having some difficulty trying to figure out the whole tails/Dropbear/solstice situation; but I'll make sure to read on that.
No explaination, wasn't around
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On July 16 2012 06:33 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 06:28 gonzaw wrote:
Okay got back.
Skimming the thread, I got a weird feeling of solstice going against S&B, but that's maybe because I got a change of mind about S&B and wanted to give him a little break.
I see Mattchew just came right off the bat with a case and a vote...and I don't know if I like that (I didn't see him explaining wtf he did last day).
Anyways, gonna sort some stuff here in my house, do stuff for the other mafia game I'm playing, and get back here.
Dunno about talis yet, I'm having some difficulty trying to figure out the whole tails/Dropbear/solstice situation; but I'll make sure to read on that. No explaination, wasn't around
Yes you were, don't lie:
On July 14 2012 04:57 Mattchew wrote:
how much time till lynch
On July 14 2012 04:58 Mattchew wrote:
and can we get a vote count?
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So I couldn't have left 2 hours before the lynch? I wasn't voting Vivax, and my questions werent answered before I had left.
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Mattchew
I think Mattchew would be a pretty bad lynch given the current evidence. Here is what I have on him:
posting style
His early D1 posting style gives me a townie feel. I always find it townie when someone makes quick, short, insta-response posts, almost like an IRC chat. Shows they are unafraid and aren't manufacturing shit to say.
very helpful (and imo good) reads
I only just realized how much I like his reads:
strong's first post is null -- good
gonzaw is kinda null -- good
defends vivax from marv for vivax's not-give-a-fuck style -- good
finds scib suspicious -- I'll give him a pass for our first game together
defends marv from gonzaw -- good
defends strong from gonzaw -- good imo
finds talis + keirathi suspicious D1 -- good
keirathi is towntelling -- good
decides to sheep marv on s0Lstice -- not a bad choice
defends dropbear from gonzaw -- good imo
convinced talis is scum -- excellent!
The thing I like most is that not only do a lot of his reads line up with mine, but a lot of his reads were against-the-grain. Like how he defends strong, vivax, marv, dropbear against people like gonzaw and marv.
Also he is voting talis who I really think is scum.
can we please give him a pass for being afk?
Seriously, I hate how everyone is jumping on him for leaving his vote on me. Everybody knows that a useless vote is useless. If somebody does something with full knowledge that it will be viewed as scummy, it shouldn't actually be seen as scummy. Do you think Mattchew was really sitting there scheming:
"Heh heh heh. Town is trying to lynch one of us three scum: mattchew, talis, and gonzaw. How can I throw them off track? Oh I know! I'll leave my vote on sciberbia and mysteriously dissapear. Without my vote, there is no way they'll get a scum. Heh heh heh. I am the brilliant scum mastermind, Mattchew. And there's no way anyone will find my disapearence suspicious"
It's just ridiculous. His disappearing is a busytell, not a scumtell. If Mattchew was scum, how hard would it have been to just hang around and sheep marv's vote? Not that hard. Being around for the lynch but not doing anything (i.e. talis) is more suspicious than not being there at all.
gonzaw telling our vig to shoot Mattchew over this is one of the reasons I'm suspicious of gonzaw
@mattchew
It would help if you'd actually expalin where you went though...
IN CONCLUSION
Mattchew is a much worse lynch than talismania.
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On July 16 2012 06:45 Mattchew wrote:
So I couldn't have left 2 hours before the lynch? I wasn't voting Vivax, and my questions werent answered before I had left.
Not without explaining why you kept your vote on sciberbia (if you knew you weren't going to be back before the deadline) ro explaining anything at all or if you still thought sciberbia was scum.
Or anything at all basically. People not giving you an exact vote count isn't an excuse to waste your vote, leave the thread and come back 24 hours later without giving a shit about the lynch.
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