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On May 17 2012 05:35 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 05:09 Toadesstern wrote:
We all agreed to a plan before the game started.
If you are going to playing anti-town I will make sure you get lynched with everything I can do. Maybe I even got the dayvig :p Toad, it only makes sense to lynch him for playing anti-town if he is also the strongest candidate out there to be mafia/SK. Trust me, he isn't. Besides, we can adapt easily enough - just have [UoN]Sentinel take Janitor. He may or may not get it depending on what marvellosity takes. But at least we have insurance. It can be frustrating for something like this to happen, but this is the best we can do right now.
Do you really think he can possibly be town if he ends up being NOT janitor?
Don't you think a townie would have just told us about that? If he told us about that this whole situation would be no problem. We could have made a Plan-B for this scenario or everyone else saying that they won't stick to the plan.
But he did not.
I am not trying to get him lynched. In fact I am the guy telling people (like deconduo) that it is very much possible Risk is town and has some weird plan that in his mind imagination will somehow end up helping town while still picking Janitor to not get him lynched d1 although he looks bad right now.
Unless of course we got confirmation that he actually is mafia (read: if he ends up picking something other than Janitor).
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On May 17 2012 05:35 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 05:09 Toadesstern wrote:
We all agreed to a plan before the game started.
If you are going to playing anti-town I will make sure you get lynched with everything I can do. Maybe I even got the dayvig :p Toad, it only makes sense to lynch him for playing anti-town if he is also the strongest candidate out there to be mafia/SK. Trust me, he isn't. Besides, we can adapt easily enough - just have [UoN]Sentinel take Janitor. He may or may not get it depending on what marvellosity takes. But at least we have insurance. It can be frustrating for something like this to happen, but this is the best we can do right now.
I agree with this.
risk.nuke's unwillingness to cooperate is unfortunate. His post so far have also been antagonistic and nonconstructive. These things are hindering a good town atmosphere, but it does not reveal alignment, for he could just be a headstrong townie cowboy.
Luckily for us, his cooperation is not necessary in role denial.
[UoN]Sentinel, would you be cool with grabbing Janitor?
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I'll be cool with it, but I'd rather have risk cooperate lol.
Risk please cooperate?
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On May 17 2012 05:43 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 05:35 Qatol wrote:On May 17 2012 05:09 Toadesstern wrote:
We all agreed to a plan before the game started.
If you are going to playing anti-town I will make sure you get lynched with everything I can do. Maybe I even got the dayvig :p Toad, it only makes sense to lynch him for playing anti-town if he is also the strongest candidate out there to be mafia/SK. Trust me, he isn't. Besides, we can adapt easily enough - just have [UoN]Sentinel take Janitor. He may or may not get it depending on what marvellosity takes. But at least we have insurance. It can be frustrating for something like this to happen, but this is the best we can do right now. Do you really think he can possibly be town if he ends up being NOT janitor? Don't you think a townie would have just told us about that? If he told us about that this whole situation would be no problem. We could have made a Plan-B for this scenario or everyone else saying that they won't stick to the plan. But he did not. I am not trying to get him lynched. In fact I am the guy telling people (like deconduo) that it is very much possible Risk is town and has some weird plan that in his mind imagination will somehow end up helping town while still picking Janitor to not get him lynched d1 although he looks bad right now. Unless of course we got confirmation that he actually is mafia (read: if he ends up picking something other than Janitor).
I don't dispute that what he's doing is very much anti-town. That being said, I don't think he's the strongest candidate for lynch/ day vigi on day 1 for several reasons:
1. Copy Cat. There is a role out there good enough that risk.nuke is willing to call all of this onto his head for the chance of taking it. I don't want to see whatever it is copied because it's likely a pretty strong role. I'd rather go after someone a little bit lower in the picking order.
2. I have found a much stronger candidate for the day 1 lynch.
3. Yes, I think it is possible that he is town but is stubbornly doing his own thing. It happens. Look at Bill Murray in PYP1 for example. He also decided to go rogue on the town out of nowhere, but was a townie himself. At least risk.nuke told us now that he isn't picking janitor so we can do something about it. I'm not saying that he doesn't merit watching carefully in the future, but I don't want to see him lynched right now.
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On May 17 2012 06:00 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 05:43 Toadesstern wrote:On May 17 2012 05:35 Qatol wrote:On May 17 2012 05:09 Toadesstern wrote:
We all agreed to a plan before the game started.
If you are going to playing anti-town I will make sure you get lynched with everything I can do. Maybe I even got the dayvig :p Toad, it only makes sense to lynch him for playing anti-town if he is also the strongest candidate out there to be mafia/SK. Trust me, he isn't. Besides, we can adapt easily enough - just have [UoN]Sentinel take Janitor. He may or may not get it depending on what marvellosity takes. But at least we have insurance. It can be frustrating for something like this to happen, but this is the best we can do right now. Do you really think he can possibly be town if he ends up being NOT janitor? Don't you think a townie would have just told us about that? If he told us about that this whole situation would be no problem. We could have made a Plan-B for this scenario or everyone else saying that they won't stick to the plan. But he did not. I am not trying to get him lynched. In fact I am the guy telling people (like deconduo) that it is very much possible Risk is town and has some weird plan that in his mind imagination will somehow end up helping town while still picking Janitor to not get him lynched d1 although he looks bad right now. Unless of course we got confirmation that he actually is mafia (read: if he ends up picking something other than Janitor). I don't dispute that what he's doing is very much anti-town. That being said, I don't think he's the strongest candidate for lynch/ day vigi on day 1 for several reasons: 1. Copy Cat. There is a role out there good enough that risk.nuke is willing to call all of this onto his head for the chance of taking it. I don't want to see whatever it is copied because it's likely a pretty strong role. I'd rather go after someone a little bit lower in the picking order. 2. I have found a much stronger candidate for the day 1 lynch. 3. Yes, I think it is possible that he is town but is stubbornly doing his own thing. It happens. Look at Bill Murray in PYP1 for example. He also decided to go rogue on the town out of nowhere, but was a townie himself. At least risk.nuke told us now that he isn't picking janitor so we can do something about it. I'm not saying that he doesn't merit watching carefully in the future, but I don't want to see him lynched right now.
I totally agree with you. I don't intend to get him lynched d1. I'm just making sure everyone understands what he does.
If we find out about him not being Janitor we find out about it d2 because the d1 flip was missing or later. So I really never intended him to be lynched d1.
I still think we need to lynch him d2 no matter what if we see a janitor in action though.
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Qatol who is this candidate you are talking about? Now that draft order is in place shouldn't you be able to do it?
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EBWOP: Read that wrong. It's so they don't get pardoned or something. Carry on. More to come soon.
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Im also cool with allowing mason to drop to sandroba. Mason is a role that can really shine in the case of a strong scum hunter, and sandroba fills those shoes very well.
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I'm still considering and mason is one of the options 
I've started out with:
VET / hider / bullet-Bob / Day-Vig / Doc / RB / Witch / Mason / Joat
and reduced it to 5, Mason being one of them, so no idea yet.
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well toad, I think mason would be better for sandroba. If you are gonna pick it though, you should announced it. so sandro can try for something else.
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I don't think I will announce it if I end up picking it because if I want it I don't want someone else to pick it before I did.
Not to mention I like the wifom about wether mafia should dodge me or should shoot me :p
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The deadline is in the next 2 hours and 20 minutes!
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On May 17 2012 04:57 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 04:55 talismania wrote:On May 17 2012 04:20 Toadesstern wrote:
OH and @slOosh please flip a coin or true-randomize it somehow like that. Please don't get influenced by this risk-shit and think that you have to choose Janitor know that risk has told people that he might not choose Janitor. It is very much possible (although incredibly paranoid^^) that that is the goal for mafia right now.
So please, pick randomely no matter what What? Where is this post coming from - what does sloosh have to do with the janitor pick? Oh I looked at page 1 for the drafting results. He's the 3rd who signed up 8( Was talking about marv.
I RNGed my role between the two and sent it in shortly after (decunduo?) summarised the benefits. So slOosh's 'untainted' comment applies to me too I guess
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On risk: normally people who resist plans so vocally are actually townie, scum tend not to risk it (forgive the pun).
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On May 16 2012 23:55 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 23:51 marvellosity wrote:
More to the point, why do you think they'd be confused and panicking?
Is this what typically happens after 8 hours of day 1 discussion? I said it wont affect them at all if you bothered to read before you spurted out your bunch of nonsense. You claim us discussing them will affect their rolepicks? I find that very unlikely since their picks will be determined by their positions in the draft and what they think they can get. They can't simply trade roles between eachother and give a player who's more heavily scrutinised a certain role. And if they start doing that they will have less time to think about their new roles to pick.
If they manage to grab Framer then yes, they can.
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On May 17 2012 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
On risk: normally people who resist plans so vocally are actually townie, scum tend not to risk it (forgive the pun).
It's not the point that he is resisting the plan. The fact that he was fine with the plan before Role-PMs went out and changed his mind once he got his role PM is the troublesome part.
Yes usually people who are that vocal don't turn out to be mafia but he could very well do that on purpose.
Remember how I played in LI and WBG said "no way Toad is mafia. He said VE is mafia and told us that he hasn't even done a case on VE when asked about that. Mafias aren't usually talking about things like that so transparent" and I ended up being mafia although wbg was perfectly right with his statement.
I already said to blue in another thread it's not about wether it's "normal" for mafia or town. It's about wether or not it's normal for the specific guy and if you think he has the balls to do that as mafia. I think he would have the balls to do it, making it a null for me.
And on top of a null I have a guy who ignores everything what's going on while we have multiple people telling everyone that we can't change the plan once Role-PMs are out and that guy comes in here once Role-PMs are out telling everyone that he want's to destroy the plan on purpose.
If he does that he is mafia. If he isn't doing it he's a townie who thought it's a good idea to draw attention away from the traitor by looking like a mafia on purpose.
We'll find out about it d2 :p
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On May 17 2012 09:04 Toadesstern wrote:
Remember how I played in LI and WBG said "no way Toad is mafia. He said VE is mafia and told us that he hasn't even done a case on VE when asked about that. Mafias aren't usually talking about things like that so transparent" and I ended up being mafia although wbg was perfectly right with his statement.
Yeah, I had my vote on you at the end of that day buddy, I knew you were scum 
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Anyway, seems a pretty odd play for mafia, given the abundance of blue roles to check him/kill him/block him/whatever
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On May 17 2012 09:04 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
On risk: normally people who resist plans so vocally are actually townie, scum tend not to risk it (forgive the pun). It's not the point that he is resisting the plan. The fact that he was fine with the plan before Role-PMs went out and changed his mind once he got his role PM is the troublesome part. Yes usually people who are that vocal don't turn out to be mafia but he could very well do that on purpose. Remember how I played in LI and WBG said "no way Toad is mafia. He said VE is mafia and told us that he hasn't even done a case on VE when asked about that. Mafias aren't usually talking about things like that so transparent" and I ended up being mafia although wbg was perfectly right with his statement. I already said to blue in another thread it's not about wether it's "normal" for mafia or town. It's about wether or not it's normal for the specific guy and if you think he has the balls to do that as mafia. I think he would have the balls to do it, making it a null for me. And on top of a null I have a guy who ignores everything what's going on while we have multiple people telling everyone that we can't change the plan once Role-PMs are out and that guy comes in here once Role-PMs are out telling everyone that he want's to destroy the plan on purpose. If he does that he is mafia. If he isn't doing it he's a townie who thought it's a good idea to draw attention away from the traitor by looking like a mafia on purpose. We'll find out about it d2 :p
It's possible he's just trying to bait scum into picking janitor so that they end up being vanilla.
You have a good point but I really can't imagine scum waiting until after the draft order is posted then purposely act against a plan that was agreed upon by everyone. Throw in the fact that he's making a huge deal about it as well.
He could have just as easily not told us his intentions.
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On May 17 2012 09:20 PaqMan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 09:04 Toadesstern wrote:On May 17 2012 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
On risk: normally people who resist plans so vocally are actually townie, scum tend not to risk it (forgive the pun). It's not the point that he is resisting the plan. The fact that he was fine with the plan before Role-PMs went out and changed his mind once he got his role PM is the troublesome part. Yes usually people who are that vocal don't turn out to be mafia but he could very well do that on purpose. Remember how I played in LI and WBG said "no way Toad is mafia. He said VE is mafia and told us that he hasn't even done a case on VE when asked about that. Mafias aren't usually talking about things like that so transparent" and I ended up being mafia although wbg was perfectly right with his statement. I already said to blue in another thread it's not about wether it's "normal" for mafia or town. It's about wether or not it's normal for the specific guy and if you think he has the balls to do that as mafia. I think he would have the balls to do it, making it a null for me. And on top of a null I have a guy who ignores everything what's going on while we have multiple people telling everyone that we can't change the plan once Role-PMs are out and that guy comes in here once Role-PMs are out telling everyone that he want's to destroy the plan on purpose. If he does that he is mafia. If he isn't doing it he's a townie who thought it's a good idea to draw attention away from the traitor by looking like a mafia on purpose. We'll find out about it d2 :p It's possible he's just trying to bait scum into picking janitor so that they end up being vanilla. You have a good point but I really can't imagine scum waiting until after the draft order is posted then purposely act against a plan that was agreed upon by everyone. Throw in the fact that he's making a huge deal about it as well. He could have just as easily not told us his intentions.
About the first. I know. I am not talking about this because I think he is mafia yet. As mentioned at least 5 times I am not sure about his alignment. He is a null to me.
I am talking about this to make sure we end up with everyone being responsible for their actions.
If you do stupid things I don't want you lynched unless I know you are smart. That's kind of the situation with Sandro right now.
But if you do stupid things out of nowhere although we had a 24 hour timefray to talk this through and still keep to those things although everyone in the thread tells you to stop it because we all agreed on something 48 hours ago I will happily lynch you. That's the difference here.
You don't lynch stupid people. You lynch people who do stupid things on purpose with a mindset of hurting town.
That's what I'm talking about and I'm trying to make sure everyone agrees to that kind of responsibility (that's not the word I'm thinking of... but it comes close to it) because if you are hurting town on purpose that's the line that got crossed that should make everyone realize where to put the vote.
That hasn't happened yet but I'm bored and I want this game to FINALLY START.
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