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On May 17 2012 09:35 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 09:20 PaqMan wrote:On May 17 2012 09:04 Toadesstern wrote:On May 17 2012 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
On risk: normally people who resist plans so vocally are actually townie, scum tend not to risk it (forgive the pun). It's not the point that he is resisting the plan. The fact that he was fine with the plan before Role-PMs went out and changed his mind once he got his role PM is the troublesome part. Yes usually people who are that vocal don't turn out to be mafia but he could very well do that on purpose. Remember how I played in LI and WBG said "no way Toad is mafia. He said VE is mafia and told us that he hasn't even done a case on VE when asked about that. Mafias aren't usually talking about things like that so transparent" and I ended up being mafia although wbg was perfectly right with his statement. I already said to blue in another thread it's not about wether it's "normal" for mafia or town. It's about wether or not it's normal for the specific guy and if you think he has the balls to do that as mafia. I think he would have the balls to do it, making it a null for me. And on top of a null I have a guy who ignores everything what's going on while we have multiple people telling everyone that we can't change the plan once Role-PMs are out and that guy comes in here once Role-PMs are out telling everyone that he want's to destroy the plan on purpose. If he does that he is mafia. If he isn't doing it he's a townie who thought it's a good idea to draw attention away from the traitor by looking like a mafia on purpose. We'll find out about it d2 :p It's possible he's just trying to bait scum into picking janitor so that they end up being vanilla. You have a good point but I really can't imagine scum waiting until after the draft order is posted then purposely act against a plan that was agreed upon by everyone. Throw in the fact that he's making a huge deal about it as well. He could have just as easily not told us his intentions. About the first. I know. I am not talking about this because I don't think he is mafia yet. As mentioned at least 5 times I am not sure about his alignment. He is a null to me. I am talking about this to make sure we end up with everyone being responsible for their actions. If you do stupid things I don't want you lynched unless I know you are smart. That's kind of the situation with Sandro right now. But if you do stupid things out of nowhere although we had a 24 hour timeframe to talk this through and still keep to those things although everyone in the thread tells you to stop it because we all agreed on something 48 hours ago I will happily lynch you. That's the difference here. You don't lynch stupid people. You lynch people who do stupid things on purpose with a mindset of hurting town. That's what I'm talking about and I'm trying to make sure everyone agrees to that kind of responsibility (that's not the word I'm thinking of... but it comes close to it) because if you are hurting town on purpose for your own good that's the line that got crossed that should make everyone realize where to put the vote, no matter if the "own good" is to get better reads or if it's a mafia agenda, due to what I said about this not being a perfect worldThat hasn't happened yet but I'm bored and I want this game to FINALLY START.
EBWOP Corrections in bold
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Deadline is NOW. Roles going out! Stay tuned.
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Day 1
You wake up.
The ground you are lying on is rough concrete and your back is stiff because of it. There's not much light, wherever you are, and your eyes haven't quite adjusted to the darkness yet. You mumble out "Ouch as you sit yourself up off the ground. Your head hurts like someone stabbed a fork into it and stirred your insides up a bit and your left hand feels like its on fire. Bringing your left hand up, you notice a number branded onto your hand. 01 it says. "What hell..." But before you can check your hand out some more, you finally notice your surroundings.
You're in a 10 by 10 foot cell with solid concrete walls on three sides and iron rods preventing your escape on the fourth. The only light in the cell is coming from outside. An uneasy wind blows into the cell and you pull back due to the smell. The air is damp and it reeks of human waste and sewage. "I'm probably somewhere underground" you think. Finally standing up, you hold your left hand in your right hand as you check out your "cell", trying to figure a way out.
Ten minutes later, you decide to give up. The walls have no cracks for you to exploit and the bars are solidly in place. Just as you're about to sit down though, a huge, painful light shines into the cell and a loud voice beckons to you.
"HELLO! HOW ARE YOU ALL? LET'S PLAY A LITTLE GAME!"
You raise your left hand up to block out some of the light blinding you and 01 fills up your whole field of vision. Your ears are ringing and it feels like your eardrums are going to burst from the loudness.
"THERE ARE TWENTY OF YOU AND NOT EVERYONE HERE IS FRIENDLY! WHO IS SAFE AND WHO IS DANGEROUS? WILL YOU STAY ALIVE TILL THE END? SAFETY IS NOT GURENTEED SO TRY TO FIND SOMETHING TO HELP KEEP YOU ALIVE!"
"The hell is the voice saying..." you think, your mind still groggy from everything.
"NOW~ COME OUT OF YOUR CELLS AND LETS HAVE SOME FUN!"
Suddenly, the bars of the cell lift up with a BANG and all of a sudden you notice the presence of other people around you. The light is gone and you walk out of your cell carefully. You are still blinded from the sudden light but as soon as you step out, you realize you're in a very large open area. You wait for your eyes to adjust to the darkness and suddenly you here a scream somewhere in the distance to the right of you. The game has begun indeed. You rush off out into the darkness, hoping against hope that you can survive...
Probulous the Vanilla Townie has been modkilled for failure to submit anything
It is day one, you have a little under 48 hours to lynch, vote in the this thread. If you didn't get a role PM from me PM me angirly so I can sort it out. If you got a role you didn't request, same deal.
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Let me preface this discussion by stating that we have seen very little arguing between players so far. The number selections being completely random and the discussions about roles have gone almost completely without debate. This is a very pro-town atmosphere and tells me that the mafia are trying to blend into the discussion rather than keep the town from working together. The mafia haven't been working towards encouraging arguments at this point. Therefore, the people we should be looking at first are the ones who are hovering around the edges of the discussion without adding much.
As promised, I give you my strong lynch target: PaqMan
First, he undergoes a stark change in attitude after the game starts. When the game is still in its setup stages, he's positively giddy about the game starting.
On May 11 2012 12:00 PaqMan wrote:
Woot! Pretty psyched about getting in! However, once the game starts, his posting undergoes a major change. He becomes much more conservative in his posting, to the point where he might be considered apathetic about the game. He spends most of the number selection phase lurking in the background asking a question or two here and there, but not really making much of an attempt to contribute. Where did the pregame excitement go?
Notice this post:
On May 15 2012 10:19 PaqMan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 09:35 talismania wrote:
Paqman, the plans being discussed all revolve around setting the roles to be picked by the top three or so draft winners. In effect, they are pre-claiming the roles that those three people will get. But what if the top three winners, regardless of alignment, simply choose to not follow one of the plans laid out? That's what I'm wondering, if nobody in the top 3-5 chooses CPR/Janitor/RB then should whoever gets that power claim? The question to ask is "why would he post something like this?" Note that nobody at the time was posting any reservations about the number selection plan at all. So why would he ask this? Because he's trying to make it look like he's involved in the discussion and making useful posts without really advancing the main discussion at all.
These posts made part of one of his next posts even more surprising:
On May 15 2012 13:20 PaqMan wrote:
I noticed it, Toad. I tend to not comment on things if I can't make any sort of contribution. I'm not really sure how to explain this but Qatol just seems more aggressive in asserting his opinion and getting the point across, or something.
But yeah don't think that your posts are being ignored. Then what was that comment earlier? And why have you been asking questions up to this point without giving your opinion on anything? Up to this point, you haven't contributed anything at all! We literally know your opinion on nothing. But you are still highlighting different parts of the plan.
Now let's compare this to another recent game where PaqMan was a townie: Mafia 'Area' LIII
He started very similarly, chomping at the bit for the game to start.
However, notice his posts once the game started:
On April 21 2012 10:49 PaqMan wrote:
I like Gonzaw's idea of the vig's claiming. Only problem with that is that Scum will have a list of vig's and won't have to do any sniping..
So now that I think about it, I don't really like that idea at all lol.
Town can't keep assuming things this game. It'll make an ass out of u and me. We don't know how many of what roles there are and continuous speculation isn't going to help at all. There is a HUGE difference between how he acts here. He's comfortable asserting his opinion when questioning an idea. Notice that he has done nothing of the sort in this game other than pointing out that posting numbers doesn't hurt the town if done in the context of a larger post.
Now look at one more post from Area LIII which draws an even bigger contrast to the posts he has been making in this game:
On April 21 2012 12:01 PaqMan wrote:
But I do agree with you VE. Giving scum any more info puts them in an even greater advantage over us. A mass vig claim would be the same as handing them a hit list.
some of gonzaw's points however are pretty valid (no late-game chaos with vig claiming before lynch, etc etc).
Either way, I can't see a vig following either one of y'alls policies.
He claims, town lynches him and nothing is gained.
He claims, chance of mafia taking him out or keeps him alive, either way there's chaos.
I suggest that our vigilante (if we have one) doesn't claim at all. If he's about to be lynched then he needs to defend himself as a normal townie because claiming vig is going to create a shitstorm for us, which gives scum the upper hand.
If he's going to use his kp one someone, he doesn't need to claim before or after the kill. It's going to create too much confusion and WIFOM and finger-pointing and shit.
So I think that vigilantes should not make any claims this game.
This is a wonderful pro-town post. He points out potential flaws in a plan and suggests an improvement. He hasn't even come CLOSE to doing something like this in the current game even though all we have done so far is talk about plans! He has the ability to do so, he just hasn't.
So, in summary, PaqMan fits the profile we should be looking for as a mafia, we saw a dramatic shift between his pre-game and current posting styles, his posts show that he is scared to give meaningful contribution to the ongoing discussion, he clearly doesn't care about the well-being of the town, and his history tells us that this is completely out of character for him. All of this adds up to Mafia.
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I cannot buy into the fact that no scum team wanted to block decon from getting first pick. even if they picked 1,2 they would still be likely to be in the top ten. I can see why decon saying im picking 1,1 would scare off townies because they are playing by themselves.
Also, the cpr doc is an incredibly risky role to be possessed by town, and even more powerful in the hands of scum. I would rather not let decon (who I believe to be scum) have this role. Because of this, I am shooting decon
##kill: Deconduo
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Sorry iPhone forgot format
##kill: deconduo
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Must be bolded for me to accept it
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Sudden interruption!
deconduo the Mafia CPR doctor has been shot in the head
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Holy shit mattchew please tell me you arent REALLY a dayvig doing that.
did you not get the memo of "town vigs shouldnt waste their shots so early"? Deconduo picking 1,1 with no clashes just mean the scum deaddidnt care about top 1 pick, esp because it would be a forced CPR.
oh and you just gave CPR to the copycat. GEGENIU
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What the fuck. I was ninja'd by GM but holy shit wtf.
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I would like to point out that this in no way confirms Mattchew. The main reason for this is because the Copy Cat just got the CPR Doctor role. If you got the role, claim it and don't use it. If nobody claims the role, I'm going to have to assume it went to an anti-town player.
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Okay what are the chances of scum having a hiden copycat and mattchew actually coordinate with it? O_o I know thats kinda insane, but it is possible.
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That apparently makes Sandroba look way better considering it's a GM game.
Unless GM isn't ranking Sandro as a vet at all if he get's to be mafia.
But that sounds really far fetched so I'm just going to assume I was wrong on Sandroba right now.
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Could you include the Drafting results in the OP below the Player list GM? I always have to search that thing...
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On May 17 2012 10:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Could you include the Drafting results in the OP below the Player list GM? I always have to search that thing...
screw that, you already did it.
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Oh I forgot to add the most important part to my earlier post:
##Vote: PaqMan
As a standing policy (like most other games), I propose the following: If you vote in the voting thread, you post it here as well. That way people can get a feel for how the voting is looking and votes can't come in under the radar.
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