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On May 17 2012 12:29 Misder wrote: Barundar, what do you think about Mattchew now? This doesn't make Mattchew look any better if you ask me, there is a couple of things I find off with this shot. For now we can just conclude a scum copy cat most likely have the cpr doctor role we set out to deny them, and instead devote the time it deserves to Qatol's case. I'm a bit suprised, I expected a massive case on Sandroba.
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iPhone post:
Mattchew to be scum makes little sense. That's the scum team wasting two roles and one member to get an unknown CPR doc and pray that when Mattchew is still alive at the end no one gets suspicious.
Mattchew being sk also makes little sense. There are better roles for sk to pick, eg politician, that have late game potential, which is where the sk has to win after all.
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Sentinel, marv, risk.nuke: One of you must have got Janitor according to everything you've said up until this point. Please claim, whoever got it.
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On May 17 2012 15:18 talismania wrote: iPhone post:
Mattchew to be scum makes little sense. That's the scum team wasting two roles and one member to get an unknown CPR doc and pray that when Mattchew is still alive at the end no one gets suspicious.
Mattchew being sk also makes little sense. There are better roles for sk to pick, eg politician, that have late game potential, which is where the sk has to win after all. Stop for a moment and ask yourself: What is the stronger mafia team, 3 players with 2 kp, or 4 players with 1? We can wait untill a potential copy cat claims CPR doc, but my cynical heart tells me that won't happen and we will face an extra KP. While I can let Mattchew off for today since he shot red, don't think for a second a scum team would never dare pull this off, especially not if they felt they where at a setup disadvantage and had to take chances to catch up. I'm still waiting to hear what exactly made Mattchew think deconduo was scum, from his post: (which he fucked up editing, typical nervous mistake),
Also, the cpr doc is an incredibly risky role to be possessed by town, and even more powerful in the hands of scum. I would rather not let decon (who I believe to be scum) have this role. Because of this, I am shooting decon it sounds almost as if he is shooting CPR doc simply on principle. CC gets the role? Didn't think of that TROLOLOL
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At the moment the most scummy thing about PaqMan is that he comes across as so damn town in those quoted posts, while being way weaker in this game. I have knowledge of his allignment in TL mafia LIV, so to keep integrity around his play there I'm not going to push the past playstyle argument further. Sadly that leaves very little for me to work with. For now I will just note that his defense seems decent to me, however I'd like to know some actual opinions on others, instead of just stating you are town.
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First off regarding the decundo shot. I agree with a few others who have already stated so - this shot, whilst actually managing to luck into scum, actually had terrible grounds. I can easily see a whole host or reasons why a mafia team wouldnt have any of their members pick [1,1], one of them mainly being that positions 1,2,3 suck for scum this game unless they have something like both positions 1 and 3, allowing them to drop the role somewhere. Copy Cat definately needs to claim asap if hes town, in which case mattchew is probably town (though theres still the vauge possibility that scum failed on a copy cat pick, I dont see a scum mattchew going through with his shot in that case). I highly doubt hes SK though considering that day vig sucks for SK.
Anyway, moving on, Janitor needs to claim. I am relatively sure there has been some shenanigans occuring at the top.
Qatol's case on Paqman is interesting. To be honest - I think that paqman's reasonings for his posting are actually pretty decent. I can understand what he means by not being able to contribute much due to fact that plans were discussed during his absense - this is actually similar for me - I was in school for most of the draft phase, and by the time I got back there wasnt much to do other than give opinions on the plan.
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On May 17 2012 11:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 10:27 Qatol wrote: I would like to point out that this in no way confirms Mattchew. The main reason for this is because the Copy Cat just got the CPR Doctor role. If you got the role, claim it and don't use it. If nobody claims the role, I'm going to have to assume it went to an anti-town player. Why would you kill one of your own just so the copycat can get the same role? Makes no sense. If mafia have a copy-Cat it would be reasonable. If I could someone know wether or not mafia or SK has a copycat or not (modconfirmed) and it turns out to be "yes they have a copycat", I'd rather play with decunduo alive being the CPR and lynch him d2. Simply because if they have a copycat we don't know who might be that guy and have to look for the CPR. In Decunduos case we at least knew where the CPR was.
So if mafia / SK has a copycat our situation isn't really better than 24 hours ago, maybe even worse. If mafia / SK don't have a copycat we're obviously in a really good position and give that decunduo ended up being #1 I don't really know if mafia would want to pick the copycat. They got the CPR without a problem. Usually they would not have a need for that role any more because they already have the strongest role.
About the Shot: I think it confirms mattchew half way. If he ends up being mafia I'll eat a hat. Yes it's still possible he's still mafia and this was planed to get the CPR somewhere safe because +1KP is more valueable than decunduo / one buddy but that's soooo unlikely. The major problem I have with Mattchew is that I have the same feeling about him I had about drazerk when he insta-dayvigged into VE. So it could be entirely possible that Mattchew is actually the SK. I somehow doubt he'd do what he did as a townie. But there's no point in talking about that right now. That all sounds incredible paranoid and "what if"-ish so I'd rather follow Qatol's lead right now.
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Actually not sure if it was Drazerk who insta-dayvigged into VE and turned out to be 3rd party. But I'm sure everyone knows what I am referring to.
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[QUOTE]On May 17 2012 21:24 Toadesstern wrote: [QUOTE]On May 17 2012 11:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: [QUOTE]On May 17 2012 10:27 Qatol wrote: I would like to point out that this in no way confirms Mattchew. The main reason for this is because the Copy Cat just got the CPR Doctor role. If you got the role, claim it and don't use it. If nobody claims the role, I'm going to have to assume it went to an anti-town player.[/QUOTE]
About the Shot: I think it confirms mattchew half way. If he ends up being mafia I'll eat a hat. Yes it's still possible he's still mafia and this was planed to get the CPR somewhere safe because +1KP is more valueable than decunduo / one buddy but that's soooo unlikely. [/QUOTE]
Why is it sooooo unlikely?
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[QUOTE]On May 17 2012 21:32 marvellosity wrote: [QUOTE]On May 17 2012 21:24 Toadesstern wrote: [QUOTE]On May 17 2012 11:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: [QUOTE]On May 17 2012 10:27 Qatol wrote: I would like to point out that this in no way confirms Mattchew. The main reason for this is because the Copy Cat just got the CPR Doctor role. If you got the role, claim it and don't use it. If nobody claims the role, I'm going to have to assume it went to an anti-town player.[/QUOTE]
About the Shot: I think it confirms mattchew half way. If he ends up being mafia I'll eat a hat. Yes it's still possible he's still mafia and this was planed to get the CPR somewhere safe because +1KP is more valueable than decunduo / one buddy but that's soooo unlikely. [/QUOTE]
Why is it sooooo unlikely?[/QUOTE] don't think mafia would all-in like that giving away half of their team 10 minutes into the game on a coinflip.
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Marvellosity you took CPR > VT?
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On May 17 2012 21:41 zelblade wrote: Marvellosity you took CPR > VT?
I chose neither, I felt the fact that I explicitly stated I would do so on more than one occasion would be enough to keep the players above me in line.
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On May 17 2012 21:37 Toadesstern wrote:
don't think mafia would all-in like that giving away half of their team 10 minutes into the game on a coinflip.
Oh yes, for some reason I only had 1/4 in my head but of course it would be 2/4 in that scenario. Fair point.
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also nice job mattchew. you're now confirmed town along with me and zephirdd. let's internet high five each other.
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Palmar, who is the scum team? Im pretty sure you figured that by now, right?
Sentinel, did you get janitor? Marv, did you try CPR or did you have janitor denied?
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dude I completely ignored the thread until daypost. I find planning and shit extremely boring.
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Nvm I missed the post where you get something else.
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