EPTOn May 17 2012 22:03 Zephirdd wrote:
Nvm I missed the post where you get something else.
Nvm I missed the post where you get something else.
Cool, I was trying to work out how to repeat myself without being sarcastic
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Cool, I was trying to work out how to repeat myself without being sarcastic | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
I would like to elaborate on my thought process behind shooting decon. 1. I voted (in the poll not in thread) for PYP. This is because before Palmar even spoke of it and before alignments went out, I wanted to dayvig someone 1 post into the game (as town, as scum idk what i woulda done). I firmly believe everyone voting PYP picked that setup not because they could come up with a sweet pre-game plan, but because they could almost guarantee themselves a blue role meaning they have some sort of control over the game. This is why I put so little effort into the pre-game after my first couple posts, mostly because I realized that I was going to pick the role I wanted (dayvig) so why would I expect anything else out of everyone else (I kinda hinted at all this here: + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 05:38 Mattchew wrote: not if i get there first... they call me quick draw mcgraw 2. The moment Decon said I am pick 1,1 I immediately thought of this + Show Spoiler + 3. I stand by what I said about the CPR Doc role. I think it leads to a lot of extra dead townies regardless of whether town or scum gets it. 4. When I saw I got the Dayvig role, I knew I was shooting immediately. To be honest, if Decon had not gotten the first pick, I would have been shooting Palmar, because I had said so. My numbers were 11,4 (11 is my favorite number, 4 is the number of Scott Stevens). I was the 5th pick so I sent in my dayvig selection literally as soon as I saw the picking order. I reared back and shot with the hopes of hitting scum, knowing that the reality was it was kinda unlikely but atleast I would probably saving the lives of a lot of others (kinda like the Batman's dilemma). Bonus :Here is a video of me (Scott Stevens) hitting Decon (Paul Kariya) + Show Spoiler + 5. The Copycat theory never entered my thought process because I had not read through the roles enough and didn't really partake in any pre-game plans. If I just gave scum a secret CPR Doc, woops! Qatol, I actually would really like to see everyone's numbers they picked. I think that contrary to your opinion there is alignment information to be extracted from the numbers. Another question I have for people is what are the chances a scum team picked copycat if I am town? Unless they were going to hardcore bus decon today to get him lynched I don't see any reason for a scum team to pick that role considering someone is most likely going to be lynched today that is mostly out of their control. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On May 17 2012 22:01 Palmar wrote: also nice job mattchew. you're now confirmed town along with me and zephirdd. let's internet high five each other. i'll internet high five you when you catch scum today, get on my level son. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
 I would say that if scum have a copycat there are prolly more scums in the lower end of the draft. If they were high up they'd rather go for guaranteed power roles like decon did or try to deny town of powers. Either way I'd reckon the copycat is in the bottom ten of the draft. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 17 2012 23:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I did not get janitor I would say that if scum have a copycat there are prolly more scums in the lower end of the draft. If they were high up they'd rather go for guaranteed power roles like decon did or try to deny town of powers. Either way I'd reckon the copycat is in the bottom ten of the draft. So you're VT? | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On May 17 2012 23:11 Mattchew wrote: Qatol, I actually would really like to see everyone's numbers they picked. I think that contrary to your opinion there is alignment information to be extracted from the numbers. Another question I have for people is what are the chances a scum team picked copycat if I am town? Unless they were going to hardcore bus decon today to get him lynched I don't see any reason for a scum team to pick that role considering someone is most likely going to be lynched today that is mostly out of their control. If you aren't mafia, it's likely that noone picked copycat, or that it is in town hands. At least wiggles picked up CC in PYP:I. I reserve my final judgement of you for when we know if a CPR doc KP is in the night posts. If you are town, clever seen with the numbers, got no problem sharing my list: deconduo [1] [1] Mafia CPR doc risk.nuke [4] [2] marvellosity [7] [2] [UoN]Sentinel [9] [1] Mattchew [11] [x] Day vig zelblade [12] [x] Bluelightz [14] [x] talismania [15] [1] Misder [2] [1-2] PaqMan [2] [2] slOosh [10] [x] Toadesstern [10] [10] Barundar [3] [1] Zephirdd [3] [2] hiro protagonist [3] [2+] Palmar [5] [1] Snarfs [5] [1] Qatol [5] [1] sandroba [5/0] [x] Probulous [5/0] [x] town modkill The unimportant detail I can't know for certain is if zelblade/bluelights picked 12, 13 or 14, I just gave them 12 and 14. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
 .What is wit these needless role claiming, it just's elimenate's possible blues from scum's to-kill list. I believe any copycat should claim now or scum HAS gotten copycat as if the copycat (which im sure is here) if he is town, would claim to reduce confusion about if scum got CPR or not. People, please discuss scum reads now, even though the Matt thing is a good thing to discuss, we need to decide on a good lynch target for today. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 17 2012 22:03 Palmar wrote: dude I completely ignored the thread until daypost. I find planning and shit extremely boring. On April 30 2012 19:30 Palmar wrote: Okay, so here goes, all those plans are bad. In order to restore stability and intelligence, I have decided to proclaim myself king.
This is not a joke, this is seriously how we're going to run this game. I will present a justification to each of my pardons when I post the list of pardoned people. Do not appeal directly for a pardon, prove your worth by posting fuckton of useful shit (as opposed to most of the useless shit that has been posted so far). Palmar was scum. Maybe he only likes plans (he pushed this one a lot in Liar) when he's scum? Discuss | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
Everyone. Shut up about roles now, it was good when we started, but nowwe need to do scum hunting asap, we're just grasping straws with discussion about 'omg did a scum copycat get CPR' as we don't have any real proof on either theories. As further reasons for why its bad, it's bad because that it gives a scum an excuse to keep on posting about (as an example, as scum, Ace spent some/most his day 1 in Wheel Of Fortune Mafia with role speculation.) As for scum hunting, my suspicions on the top 10 part of the draft order. First, I'd like to voice my suspicion to risk.nuke, as for reasons I pointed out earlier (he was and still is spouting reasonless things into the thread), and also because he is not scum hunting, even, he encouraged scum hunting when I suggested we do it at the role-picking phase, he still has not done anything. My suspicions on the bottom 10 are going to come later as I read more filter's. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 18 2012 00:41 Mattchew wrote: Marv you aren't janitor right? meaning risk.nuke is? Was that the plan? I can't provide you with any answers that reading the thread will not provide | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On May 18 2012 00:23 Barundar wrote: If you aren't mafia, it's likely that noone picked copycat, or that it is in town hands. At least wiggles picked up CC in PYP:I. I reserve my final judgement of you for when we know if a CPR doc KP is in the night posts. If you are town, clever seen with the numbers, got no problem sharing my list: deconduo [1] [1] Mafia CPR doc risk.nuke [4] [2] marvellosity [7] [2] [UoN]Sentinel [9] [1] Mattchew [11] [x] Day vig zelblade [12] [x] Bluelightz [14] [x] talismania [15] [1] Misder [2] [1-2] PaqMan [2] [2] slOosh [10] [x] Toadesstern [10] [10] Barundar [3] [1] Zephirdd [3] [2] hiro protagonist [3] [2+] Palmar [5] [1] Snarfs [5] [1] Qatol [5] [1] sandroba [5/0] [x] Probulous [5/0] [x] town modkill sloosh and toad don't add up. you should be above them if zeph did not pick the same exact pair as you | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On May 17 2012 23:11 Mattchew wrote: @Barundar and Qatol and others who think I could be scum I would like to elaborate on my thought process behind shooting decon. 1. I voted (in the poll not in thread) for PYP. This is because before Palmar even spoke of it and before alignments went out, I wanted to dayvig someone 1 post into the game (as town, as scum idk what i woulda done). I firmly believe everyone voting PYP picked that setup not because they could come up with a sweet pre-game plan, but because they could almost guarantee themselves a blue role meaning they have some sort of control over the game. This is why I put so little effort into the pre-game after my first couple posts, mostly because I realized that I was going to pick the role I wanted (dayvig) so why would I expect anything else out of everyone else (I kinda hinted at all this here: + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 05:38 Mattchew wrote: not if i get there first... they call me quick draw mcgraw 2. The moment Decon said I am pick 1,1 I immediately thought of this + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0qjK3TWZE8 3. I stand by what I said about the CPR Doc role. I think it leads to a lot of extra dead townies regardless of whether town or scum gets it. 4. When I saw I got the Dayvig role, I knew I was shooting immediately. To be honest, if Decon had not gotten the first pick, I would have been shooting Palmar, because I had said so. My numbers were 11,4 (11 is my favorite number, 4 is the number of Scott Stevens). I was the 5th pick so I sent in my dayvig selection literally as soon as I saw the picking order. I reared back and shot with the hopes of hitting scum, knowing that the reality was it was kinda unlikely but atleast I would probably saving the lives of a lot of others (kinda like the Batman's dilemma). Bonus :Here is a video of me (Scott Stevens) hitting Decon (Paul Kariya) + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LimvfzFRK8M 5. The Copycat theory never entered my thought process because I had not read through the roles enough and didn't really partake in any pre-game plans. If I just gave scum a secret CPR Doc, woops! Qatol, I actually would really like to see everyone's numbers they picked. I think that contrary to your opinion there is alignment information to be extracted from the numbers. Another question I have for people is what are the chances a scum team picked copycat if I am town? Unless they were going to hardcore bus decon today to get him lynched I don't see any reason for a scum team to pick that role considering someone is most likely going to be lynched today that is mostly out of their control. 1. Not true. I definitely picked PYP for the planning aspects. I don't even like having a blue role when I get one. But this is a discussion best left for post-game or for another thread. 2. I understand the logic of this, but the reason I'm skeptical about whether or not you are actually innocent for sure is because this took a lot of thought. You clearly aren't stupid, and you clearly thought about the setup and the mafia's motivations carefully. It is just mind boggling to me that you wouldn't foresee the CPR going to the Copy Cat after your shot. Even if you hadn't thought of it, it was mentioned several times in the thread early on. I understand that you didn't really want to participate in that part of the game, but not reading the thread is simply irresponsible. It is now 15 hours after your shot and the Copy Cat hasn't claimed. I'm going to have to assume that either scum just got the CPR doctor at an undisclosed location in the queue or nobody took Copy Cat, and I'm leaning towards the former. If anyone tried to take copycat and missed, please claim it now. Copycat: you should still feel free to claim as a way of helping to clear yourself, but if you don't claim and a rolecop finds you, we are going to have to lynch you immediately. 3. I agree completely. The CPR Doctor role should never be used. It is too anti-town. 4. Now I'm confused. I reared back and shot with the hopes of hitting scum, knowing that the reality was it was kinda unlikely but atleast I would probably saving the lives of a lot of others (kinda like the Batman's dilemma). You say here it is "kinda unlikely" you were going to hit scum.But in #2 you say the following: I could not wrap my brain around scum not blocking out a townie at the top spot and trying to get the CPR doc (literally an extra KP) for themselves. This makes it seem like you thought Deconduo almost had to be mafia because of his plan and the role he would be selecting.So which was it? Did you think it was likely you were shooting scum or not? Under #2 you make it seem like you thought about deconduo's spot in the queue and its relation to the CPR doctor role very carefully. On the other hand, here you make it seem like you were just shooting to try and take the role out of the game, thinking that it was unlikely that scum had the role. Please explain. 5. How did you know that the CPR Doctor is so important to the game to warrant the thought process from #2 and #3 if you barely read through the roles and didn't look at the pre-game plans? As I mentioned earlier, I don't mind people posting their numbers, but I want it to be part of a content-filled post and not a one-liner post contributing only their numbers and nothing else. And this may be mostly moot because Barundar seems to have most of the numbers figured out (although there is a mistake - Probulous didn't send in numbers at all). Assuming you are town, I think there is still a chance the mafia had the copycat role anyways. I think there is a nonzero possibility that the scum were planning on trying for a no lynch for day 1 and then trying to grab a power role from early in the queue. Alternatively, they could have considered tricking the town into a stupid lynch on a player they think has a desirable role. Or maybe one of their members had a bad position and they figured a random role was better than the alternative. Any of the above are moves I would at least consider as scum if I wasn't entirely comfortable with the drafting positions of all of the scum members. Regarding the Janitor, there are 2 more things we need to know: 1. Marvellosity, what role did you try to take? We know you didn't get Janitor, but we don't know what role pick you sent in. 2. Risk.nuke, did you pick Janitor? If the answer is no, we don't need to know which role you did select, but if the answer is yes, it will save us from a wild goose chase. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 17 2012 22:00 marvellosity wrote: I chose neither, I felt the fact that I explicitly stated I would do so on more than one occasion would be enough to keep the players above me in line. That is what I meant in this post | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Now as for Paqman's responses, I've cut out key lines that I thought were pertinent (rather than quote whole thing and bold because it is a bulky post). On May 17 2012 12:44 PaqMan wrote: Am I honestly getting scolded for asking questions about plans that were discussed and settled on while I was absent? Am I really getting scolded for thinking ahead? -not scared, didn't have anything useful to contribute to plans that everyone already agreed on. -I dont care? I lost the first mafia game I've played in over 6 months. My 2nd game is ongoing. And I'm definitely not down to start my 3rd with getting mislynched D1 because a vet pushed me for asking questions. TL;DR I'm town and you're wrong. If those are your only points for thinking I'm scum you need to do better than that. This is a misrepresentation of Qatol's case. He makes out the accusation against him asking questions when in fact it is about the change in his posting style. And the defiant tone seems out of place - where does he find the confidence to basically taunt a vet into proving that he is scum? Unnatural. ##Vote: Paqman | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
I said that it was kinda unlikely that I were to hit scum because while I thought my logic was good and all (making me at the time relatively confident), I understood/understand that there was still only a 5(or6)/19 or around 1/4 chance of me hitting scum. The fact that it was almost guaranteed that he took the most anti-town role was what lead me to not second guessing my shot. It's kinda like my first posts in the game where I talk about everyone being assigned a pick. I thought that was logical at the time, but in retrospect realized it was bad for town and plain stupid. The CPR Doc was talked about in the sign up phase of the game and people were excited about it. It drew a ton of attention to anyone reading the thread at anytime and I had never heard of it. At somepoint when I glanced over the roles I probably read the copycat role, but in no way did it factor into my decision to shoot decon which is irresponsible i guess. In all honesty though, I know I am town. So even now, knowing about the copycat role, I think it was the right choice to shoot | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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