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Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
May 17 2012 18:24 GMT
#681
On May 18 2012 02:48 Mattchew wrote:
I kind of want to lynch Risk.Nuke because he's the janitor and because of some numbers thing I worked out in my head


Oh yeah man the numbers thing. What?

I want him dead just because he purposefully didnt follow the plan and now town is a mess because we dont even know if there is a janitor out there.

Is the cycle 48hr?
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
May 17 2012 18:30 GMT
#682
I'm not the janitor. And if the town is a mess it's not my fault. Protip: stop complaining about it and take some action.
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Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 17 2012 18:36 GMT
#683
Sentinel said he would take Janitor if he had to:
On May 17 2012 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'll be cool with it, but I'd rather have risk cooperate lol.

Risk please cooperate?


risk made it quite clear he was not going to cooperate.

Then Sentinel tries to make it sound like he attempted to pick the janitor role by adding a frowny face:
On May 17 2012 23:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I did not get janitor

When in fact we now know that the Janitor was not picked by anyone in the top 4.

Sentinel lied then tried to make it seem like he didn't lie without actually lying anymore. That's good enough for a day 1 lynch to me.

##Vote [UoN]Sentinel
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
May 17 2012 18:44 GMT
#684
I'm done with scum hiding behind the troll card or the "my own busns" card.

##vote risk.nuke
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Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
May 17 2012 18:44 GMT
#685
Still working on the PaqMan post, but I'll comment on everything else quickly.
On May 18 2012 02:16 marvellosity wrote:
Qatol, I chose neither Janitor nor CPR
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 22:00 marvellosity wrote:
On May 17 2012 21:41 zelblade wrote:
Marvellosity you took CPR > VT?


I chose neither, I felt the fact that I explicitly stated I would do so on more than one occasion would be enough to keep the players above me in line.

That is what I meant in this post

Understood. I misread that post. My apologies.

On May 18 2012 02:36 Mattchew wrote:
@quatol

I said that it was kinda unlikely that I were to hit scum because while I thought my logic was good and all (making me at the time relatively confident), I understood/understand that there was still only a 5(or6)/19 or around 1/4 chance of me hitting scum. The fact that it was almost guaranteed that he took the most anti-town role was what lead me to not second guessing my shot.

It's kinda like my first posts in the game where I talk about everyone being assigned a pick. I thought that was logical at the time, but in retrospect realized it was bad for town and plain stupid.


The CPR Doc was talked about in the sign up phase of the game and people were excited about it. It drew a ton of attention to anyone reading the thread at anytime and I had never heard of it. At somepoint when I glanced over the roles I probably read the copycat role, but in no way did it factor into my decision to shoot decon which is irresponsible i guess. In all honesty though, I know I am town. So even now, knowing about the copycat role, I think it was the right choice to shoot
First of all, Quatol is the smurf player playing in Caller's game. No u in Qatol!

Secondly, if your logic is good, why don't your chances increase? You can't be relatively confident in your shot if you think it only has a 1/4 chance of hitting scum. That doesn't make sense. I realize that it is good for the town to kill the most anti-town role, but you can't say your odds are both good and bad.

Thirdly, you make a good point about the CPR Doctor being discussed in the signup phase. I had forgotten that people did that. However, let me be specific, are you claiming that:
1. You didn't read between page 15 when you posted last and Palmar's appearance on page 18, when you started posting again.
2. You didn't read the roles very carefully at all beyond Day Vigilante and CPR Doctor.
until after your shot?

I disagree that it was the right choice to shoot. We had already planned to roleblock deconduo night 1. A day 2 shot probably removes the role from the game for good, rather than just passing it to an unknown mafia player.

On May 18 2012 02:48 Mattchew wrote:
I kind of want to lynch Risk.Nuke because he's the janitor and because of some numbers thing I worked out in my head

Why is he the janitor over marvellosity or [UoN]Sentinel?

[UoN]Sentinel, please confirm that you tried to take Janitor but did not get it. That is how I am reading your post.
Uff Da
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 17 2012 18:46 GMT
#686
@Palmar What is your reasoning for picking pardoner at your position?
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
May 17 2012 18:47 GMT
#687
Ok summary: We had a nice plan to deny mafia CPR although we have a dead mafia which is awesome, mafia probably still has the CPR and we don't know WHERE.

place 2, 3 and 4 all failed to do what they were supposed to do because although they all were fine with it before alignment went out.
Memo for myself: Next time suggest #1-4 CPR, #5-8 Janitor

That being said I like Qatol but I'm not really convinced by the case. Do you have someone else?
I'm think a Risk lynch would be nice to teach him a lesson on why you don't look scummy on purpose but I guess lynching into a null will get me as banned as he will be if he ends up being town.
So blue it is for now.

He's usually VERY MUCH in peoples faces and you can see that "pre-game" (before d1 started, not sure how to call it) but I don't see that right now. No "guuuuys, this guy is clearly town, this guy as well oooh and that guy over there as well. Not willing to lynch THAT" shenanigans at all.

##vote Blue

Sandro did you end up getting Mason? I did not go for it but didn't feel like telling you due to my read on you prior to the mattchew thing.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 17 2012 18:54 GMT
#688
@The talk about mattchew: I can't see him being scum. Look at what involves mat being scum: They traded 2 roles + 1 player just to get CPR in an unknown position. No matter how you look at it it's a net loss for scum. Scum could have cpr shoot for a couple nights without doing any of this shenanigans and eventually decon would be lynched. Mattchew could dayvig anyone lurking/scummy at day 2 without much repercussion. Makes no sense for scum to invest in roles in such fashion.
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
May 17 2012 18:54 GMT
#689
You guys, unless you're going to commit to making a long analysis, don't bring up a new target for lynch. This kind of lazy/impulsive lynching is a way to get us in trouble. We're just going to divide the town and wind up letting the mafia control the lynch or destroy the productive atmosphere we had earlier.

Also, because I don't think lynching Mattchew is a good idea right now, I'm going to stop taking about him and focus on PaqMan.
Uff Da
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 17 2012 18:55 GMT
#690
@toad I didn't get mason. Someone took it above me.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 17 2012 18:55 GMT
#691
On May 18 2012 03:47 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok summary: We had a nice plan to deny mafia CPR although we have a dead mafia which is awesome, mafia probably still has the CPR and we don't know WHERE.

place 2, 3 and 4 all failed to do what they were supposed to do because although they all were fine with it before alignment went out.
Memo for myself: Next time suggest #1-4 CPR, #5-8 Janitor

That being said I like Qatol but I'm not really convinced by the case. Do you have someone else?
I'm think a Risk lynch would be nice to teach him a lesson on why you don't look scummy on purpose but I guess lynching into a null will get me as banned as he will be if he ends up being town.
So blue it is for now.

He's usually VERY MUCH in peoples faces and you can see that "pre-game" (before d1 started, not sure how to call it) but I don't see that right now. No "guuuuys, this guy is clearly town, this guy as well oooh and that guy over there as well. Not willing to lynch THAT" shenanigans at all.

##vote Blue

Sandro did you end up getting Mason? I did not go for it but didn't feel like telling you due to my read on you prior to the mattchew thing.


Firstly stop with the ban talk. Secondly we don't lynch to teach someone a lesson. Thirdly I think we're better off using the appropriate bluechecks on risk during the night than we are lynching him right now.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
May 17 2012 18:57 GMT
#692
On May 18 2012 03:55 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 03:47 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok summary: We had a nice plan to deny mafia CPR although we have a dead mafia which is awesome, mafia probably still has the CPR and we don't know WHERE.

place 2, 3 and 4 all failed to do what they were supposed to do because although they all were fine with it before alignment went out.
Memo for myself: Next time suggest #1-4 CPR, #5-8 Janitor

That being said I like Qatol but I'm not really convinced by the case. Do you have someone else?
I'm think a Risk lynch would be nice to teach him a lesson on why you don't look scummy on purpose but I guess lynching into a null will get me as banned as he will be if he ends up being town.
So blue it is for now.

He's usually VERY MUCH in peoples faces and you can see that "pre-game" (before d1 started, not sure how to call it) but I don't see that right now. No "guuuuys, this guy is clearly town, this guy as well oooh and that guy over there as well. Not willing to lynch THAT" shenanigans at all.

##vote Blue

Sandro did you end up getting Mason? I did not go for it but didn't feel like telling you due to my read on you prior to the mattchew thing.


Firstly stop with the ban talk. Secondly we don't lynch to teach someone a lesson. Thirdly I think we're better off using the appropriate bluechecks on risk during the night than we are lynching him right now.

Yes. That's exactly what I just said. Thanks for pointing it out again in proper english.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 17 2012 18:59 GMT
#693
On May 18 2012 03:54 Qatol wrote:
You guys, unless you're going to commit to making a long analysis, don't bring up a new target for lynch. This kind of lazy/impulsive lynching is a way to get us in trouble. We're just going to divide the town and wind up letting the mafia control the lynch or destroy the productive atmosphere we had earlier.

Also, because I don't think lynching Mattchew is a good idea right now, I'm going to stop taking about him and focus on PaqMan.

Not much to analyze in my vote.

Sentinel said he would do one thing (which would benefit town), then did another (thus, benefiting mafia) while not making it clear that he didn't do the thing he intended to do (making it seem like he tried to benefit town, when in fact benefitting mafia).

Why would town do this?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 17 2012 19:01 GMT
#694
On May 18 2012 03:57 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 03:55 marvellosity wrote:
On May 18 2012 03:47 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok summary: We had a nice plan to deny mafia CPR although we have a dead mafia which is awesome, mafia probably still has the CPR and we don't know WHERE.

place 2, 3 and 4 all failed to do what they were supposed to do because although they all were fine with it before alignment went out.
Memo for myself: Next time suggest #1-4 CPR, #5-8 Janitor

That being said I like Qatol but I'm not really convinced by the case. Do you have someone else?
I'm think a Risk lynch would be nice to teach him a lesson on why you don't look scummy on purpose but I guess lynching into a null will get me as banned as he will be if he ends up being town.
So blue it is for now.

He's usually VERY MUCH in peoples faces and you can see that "pre-game" (before d1 started, not sure how to call it) but I don't see that right now. No "guuuuys, this guy is clearly town, this guy as well oooh and that guy over there as well. Not willing to lynch THAT" shenanigans at all.

##vote Blue

Sandro did you end up getting Mason? I did not go for it but didn't feel like telling you due to my read on you prior to the mattchew thing.


Firstly stop with the ban talk. Secondly we don't lynch to teach someone a lesson. Thirdly I think we're better off using the appropriate bluechecks on risk during the night than we are lynching him right now.

Yes. That's exactly what I just said. Thanks for pointing it out again in proper english.


lol I'm so confused o.o
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 17 2012 19:01 GMT
#695
On May 18 2012 03:47 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok summary: We had a nice plan to deny mafia CPR although we have a dead mafia which is awesome, mafia probably still has the CPR and we don't know WHERE.

place 2, 3 and 4 all failed to do what they were supposed to do because although they all were fine with it before alignment went out.
Memo for myself: Next time suggest #1-4 CPR, #5-8 Janitor

That being said I like Qatol but I'm not really convinced by the case. Do you have someone else?
I'm think a Risk lynch would be nice to teach him a lesson on why you don't look scummy on purpose but I guess lynching into a null will get me as banned as he will be if he ends up being town.
So blue it is for now.

He's usually VERY MUCH in peoples faces and you can see that "pre-game" (before d1 started, not sure how to call it) but I don't see that right now. No "guuuuys, this guy is clearly town, this guy as well oooh and that guy over there as well. Not willing to lynch THAT" shenanigans at all.

##vote Blue

Sandro did you end up getting Mason? I did not go for it but didn't feel like telling you due to my read on you prior to the mattchew thing.

I don't think Blue is a good vote at this point in the game. Let him play a bit. I think he becomes easier to figure out as the game goes on.

Your thoughts on Sentinel?
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
May 17 2012 19:04 GMT
#696
On May 18 2012 03:59 Snarfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 03:54 Qatol wrote:
You guys, unless you're going to commit to making a long analysis, don't bring up a new target for lynch. This kind of lazy/impulsive lynching is a way to get us in trouble. We're just going to divide the town and wind up letting the mafia control the lynch or destroy the productive atmosphere we had earlier.

Also, because I don't think lynching Mattchew is a good idea right now, I'm going to stop taking about him and focus on PaqMan.

Not much to analyze in my vote.

Sentinel said he would do one thing (which would benefit town), then did another (thus, benefiting mafia) while not making it clear that he didn't do the thing he intended to do (making it seem like he tried to benefit town, when in fact benefitting mafia).

Why would town do this?


Marv and Risk did the exact same thing. I'm pretty sure one of the 3 is bound to be mafia but I have no idea who out of those 3 it is yet. Do you want to lynch into a three-way constellation like that when all you know is that one of them is probably mafia?

I don't think that's a good idea. Hence, we leave all of those 3 alive while telling them how anti-town that behavior was no matter if they had a genius plan behind it or not because frankly they failed horribly with their genius-plans to save the town.
We've got than enough time to figure that out this day or the next day and make an (at least) educated guess on who of those 3 is the guy to lynch instead of just lynching into them. So if they proceed to do things like that, fine we lynch the guy who proceeds to do thigns like that. If they stop it we try and figure it out BEFORE lynching into them.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 17 2012 19:05 GMT
#697
Sorry bout that, was in school.

Anyways. I am Vanilla Town and not Janitor. So I'm claiming either risk or marvel is the janitor. And I don't trust risk. Because risk does not like the plan.
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
May 17 2012 19:07 GMT
#698
Sentinel: is interesting. Would really like him to come in and try to explain himself.

Blue: I agree with you toad but lynching on meta day 1 haven't worked in the past.

Qatol: He's said several things that I really don't like and disagree with but he's one of the most active players so not the best lynch candidate for now.
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
May 17 2012 19:07 GMT
#699
So you tried to take Janitor?

##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
May 17 2012 19:07 GMT
#700
On May 18 2012 04:04 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 03:59 Snarfs wrote:
On May 18 2012 03:54 Qatol wrote:
You guys, unless you're going to commit to making a long analysis, don't bring up a new target for lynch. This kind of lazy/impulsive lynching is a way to get us in trouble. We're just going to divide the town and wind up letting the mafia control the lynch or destroy the productive atmosphere we had earlier.

Also, because I don't think lynching Mattchew is a good idea right now, I'm going to stop taking about him and focus on PaqMan.

Not much to analyze in my vote.

Sentinel said he would do one thing (which would benefit town), then did another (thus, benefiting mafia) while not making it clear that he didn't do the thing he intended to do (making it seem like he tried to benefit town, when in fact benefitting mafia).

Why would town do this?


Marv and Risk did the exact same thing. I'm pretty sure one of the 3 is bound to be mafia but I have no idea who out of those 3 it is yet. Do you want to lynch into a three-way constellation like that when all you know is that one of them is probably mafia?

I don't think that's a good idea. Hence, we leave all of those 3 alive while telling them how anti-town that behavior was no matter if they had a genius plan behind it or not because frankly they failed horribly with their genius-plans to save the town.
We've got than enough time to figure that out this day or the next day and make an (at least) educated guess on who of those 3 is the guy to lynch instead of just lynching into them. So if they proceed to do things like that, fine we lynch the guy who proceeds to do thigns like that. If they stop it we try and figure it out BEFORE lynching into them.


And that's pretty much the same situation for mattchew here. I'm sure it was weird as shit and I am SO CONFUSED about it because if someone would have asked me pre-game if mattchew had to balls to do something like that as town I would have told him "Never".
Scum makes no sense from his point of view as well as Sandroba has pointed out.
SK makes a little sense imo but it's still weird.
That's why I am confused. However I am pretty sure we can figure him out the next couple of days, hence we leave him alive and try to understand what happened and why it happened.
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