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I think we were correct to vote for VE given what we knew.
I think that it was irresponsible for Blazinghand to wait so long to pull his head out of marv's ass to tell us that VE had done this before, since that is super-fucking-relevant to judging his alignment, and by the time he pointed it out there were very few people left to read it or change their vote. He is also lording the fact that he made the call over us and trying to get us to trust him. BH was around for hours before the lynch when we were all here and he just tunnelled marv and ignored VE.
I think you guys need to stop calling for vigi's to shoot so early because in this set-up a vigilante that shoots night1 knowing that they are aiming for 2/4 mafia and only 2/18 players in the game, the longer the game goes better the chance of the shot, also with only 1 shot you would have to be very confident or very foolish to shoot today or even tomorrow in this set-up.
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On April 24 2012 01:43 ghost_403 wrote:
@mementoss: I made my position very clear on my vote. If I had believed my vote was necessary to achieve a VE lynch, i would have switched. Accusing me of trying to spoil a lynch that was a sure thing is disingenuous.
What is the point keeping your vote on someone who is not going to get lynched? It is the same as having no vote, cause you actions have no influence on who is going to get voted out. Its a very anti-town thing to do imo. I would say anyone that was around not voting Marv BM Risen or VE, at the end of the day wasted their vote. As a result, scums 4 votes became ever more powerful in taking a blue away from us.
At the end of the day if you weren't convinced VE was scum per sae, would it not have been better to lynch someone who was vanilla rather than someone who was JK? Cause if VE wasn't red he was blue.
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K I was planning on making a case on someone
But then I realized that there is no point in making a case right now. Instead, I'll just post whatever the fuck is flowing in my mind about the game.
MG strikes scummy to me. I don't know how he switched out of marvellosity into "I think lynching marv would be a terrible mislynch" so easily; especially when marvellosity's posting hasn't been that better. Oh, and I have to be honest here: I was willing to yell OH MY GOD YOU SUCK when he decided I should be lynched tomorrow, given everything that happened. He saw the easy lynch target in me after my "last minute" voting shit and decided it would be easy to push a wagon on me. Oh, and that way he switched out of marv makes me think he was just bussing him.
johny strikes me as a bad town for sheeping the one guy that was voting him. This or MG is town and john is a scared scum; But to be honest he hasn't made much bad on the game so I can't really call him scum; hence 'bad town'. In fact, not even bad, just one bad move tbh.
marvellosity has not made an actual case and went to VE's wagon(along with me). Although this is forgivable, I don't like activity without substance. There is not one scum push made by marvellosity besides VE. He talks about how BH is tunneling him, yet all he did was to talk about VE without caring about making connections or anything. Even now, he is caring about a worthless defense when he should be genuinely attacking someone. Yeah scum
StDaniel inactivity is sad and I don't know if I should call him scum or not; when he has posted on another game(as pointed by someone else), that makes me think he is actually scum afraid of posting - very common considering it's his first TL game.
Bill Murray sounds like a Kenpachi/Palmar mix. Fuck day 1, day 2 is where the action is at eh? At very least he hasn't been disruptive so far. Wouldn't mind a vig shot if he will keep playing like that tho.
Well, I *kinda* have other reads but they are all null or town/null so, there you have it.
Ask Me Anything.
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You don't still think zeph is scum Blazing?
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On April 24 2012 01:44 layabout wrote:
I think we were correct to vote for VE given what we knew.
I think that it was irresponsible for Blazinghand to wait so long to pull his head out of marv's ass to tell us that VE had done this before, since that is super-fucking-relevant to judging his alignment, and by the time he pointed it out there were very few people left to read it or change their vote. He is also lording the fact that he made the call over us and trying to get us to trust him. BH was around for hours before the lynch when we were all here and he just tunnelled marv and ignored VE.
I think you guys need to stop calling for vigi's to shoot so early because in this set-up a vigilante that shoots night1 knowing that they are aiming for 2/4 mafia and only 2/18 players in the game, the longer the game goes better the chance of the shot, also with only 1 shot you would have to be very confident or very foolish to shoot today or even tomorrow in this set-up.
The bolded part is ridiculous. No, you were not correct given the information you had. Just admit you were wrong, and you were mis-using logic/sheeping/tunnelling into VE, which ultimately lead to you helping scum kill one of our blue roles. It bothered me that no-one voting VE yesterday cause answer the question I posed, "Why would VE do this as scum?". Admit you were wrong, re-read his filter, learn from your mistakes.
Tryimg to make yourself look good after you were the one pushing hardest for a majority of the day against anyone who made good points about why to not lynch VE/why VE was probably telling the truth? (Against me and Risen later in the day) However, despite all this I've thought about it, and I think you were just geniunely mistaken and wrong. I don't think a scum, would push so hard all day with the amount of detail you did to lynching VE, knowing that he would flip blue.
As of now I don't have any particulary good scum reads, I need to review the thread now knowing the flip. But I feel like Mattchew is probably town, and so is Risen, based on their actions prior to the lynch.
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On April 24 2012 04:37 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 01:44 layabout wrote:
I think we were correct to vote for VE given what we knew.
I think that it was irresponsible for Blazinghand to wait so long to pull his head out of marv's ass to tell us that VE had done this before, since that is super-fucking-relevant to judging his alignment, and by the time he pointed it out there were very few people left to read it or change their vote. He is also lording the fact that he made the call over us and trying to get us to trust him. BH was around for hours before the lynch when we were all here and he just tunnelled marv and ignored VE.
I think you guys need to stop calling for vigi's to shoot so early because in this set-up a vigilante that shoots night1 knowing that they are aiming for 2/4 mafia and only 2/18 players in the game, the longer the game goes better the chance of the shot, also with only 1 shot you would have to be very confident or very foolish to shoot today or even tomorrow in this set-up. The bolded part is ridiculous. No, you were not correct given the information you had. Just admit you were wrong, and you were mis-using logic/sheeping/tunnelling into VE, which ultimately lead to you helping scum kill one of our blue roles. It bothered me that no-one voting VE yesterday cause answer the question I posed, "Why would VE do this as scum?". Admit you were wrong, re-read his filter, learn from your mistakes. Tryimg to make yourself look good after you were the one pushing hardest for a majority of the day against anyone who made good points about why to not lynch VE/why VE was probably telling the truth? (Against me and Risen later in the day) However, despite all this I've thought about it, and I think you were just geniunely mistaken and wrong. I don't think a scum, would push so hard all day with the amount of detail you did to lynching VE, knowing that he would flip blue. As of now I don't have any particulary good scum reads, I need to review the thread now knowing the flip. But I feel like Mattchew is probably town, and so is Risen, based on their actions prior to the lynch.
If i was using "mis-logic" please point it out so me. VE is the asshat that decided to quit playing rather than explain himself or try to help us.
If you think that BH is one of the people that made good points about why not to lynch VE then ask yourself why he waited until the last hour when it would have no impact instead of when it would have made a difference. When he entered the thread yesterday (when people were here) he promised to talk about VE's claim.
Remember that this is before VE's ass-retarded roleclaim (which I'll get to in a moment)
He looks at marv's vote for VE but avoid's giving us any of his own thoughts on VE.
He then waits until an hour before the lynch (when a small number of us were here) to tell us that VE has done this before and that we shouldn't vote for him. Once VE flips he tells us about how obvious it was to him and how he knew VE was town the whole time.
It should have been obvious that VE was playing crappy town play. It was obvious to me. It was obvious to Risen. In fact, it's interesting how obvious it was to people who put any decent thought into it or were intelligent, thoughtful people, that this was the case.
It's as if he had no interest in stopping us lynching VE but he did have an interest in trying make himself look good and cast suspicion on others. He has been tunnelling marv to get out of looking for scum, he has come up with increasingly contrived reasons to continue to tunnel him and he is making all of his other accusations on the basis that marv is scum.
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On April 24 2012 04:37 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 01:44 layabout wrote:
I think we were correct to vote for VE given what we knew.
I think that it was irresponsible for Blazinghand to wait so long to pull his head out of marv's ass to tell us that VE had done this before, since that is super-fucking-relevant to judging his alignment, and by the time he pointed it out there were very few people left to read it or change their vote. He is also lording the fact that he made the call over us and trying to get us to trust him. BH was around for hours before the lynch when we were all here and he just tunnelled marv and ignored VE.
I think you guys need to stop calling for vigi's to shoot so early because in this set-up a vigilante that shoots night1 knowing that they are aiming for 2/4 mafia and only 2/18 players in the game, the longer the game goes better the chance of the shot, also with only 1 shot you would have to be very confident or very foolish to shoot today or even tomorrow in this set-up. The bolded part is ridiculous. No, you were not correct given the information you had. Just admit you were wrong, and you were mis-using logic/sheeping/tunnelling into VE, which ultimately lead to you helping scum kill one of our blue roles. It bothered me that no-one voting VE yesterday cause answer the question I posed, "Why would VE do this as scum?". Admit you were wrong, re-read his filter, learn from your mistakes. Tryimg to make yourself look good after you were the one pushing hardest for a majority of the day against anyone who made good points about why to not lynch VE/why VE was probably telling the truth? (Against me and Risen later in the day) However, despite all this I've thought about it, and I think you were just geniunely mistaken and wrong. I don't think a scum, would push so hard all day with the amount of detail you did to lynching VE, knowing that he would flip blue. As of now I don't have any particulary good scum reads, I need to review the thread now knowing the flip. But I feel like Mattchew is probably town, and so is Risen, based on their actions prior to the lynch.
Why would you give town reads at night....
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*sigh*
I knew town would do something stupid once I left
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Marv: thoughts on MidnightGladius and Zephirdd
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EBWOP:
This doesn't mean I don't think you played like shit VE, because you did.
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the funny thing is when people ask for me to be vigged I'm generally finding them to be town
If I get vigged tonight this will go down in history as being the worst game of mafia that has ever been on this website
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On April 24 2012 05:03 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 04:37 Mementoss wrote:On April 24 2012 01:44 layabout wrote:
I think we were correct to vote for VE given what we knew.
I think that it was irresponsible for Blazinghand to wait so long to pull his head out of marv's ass to tell us that VE had done this before, since that is super-fucking-relevant to judging his alignment, and by the time he pointed it out there were very few people left to read it or change their vote. He is also lording the fact that he made the call over us and trying to get us to trust him. BH was around for hours before the lynch when we were all here and he just tunnelled marv and ignored VE.
I think you guys need to stop calling for vigi's to shoot so early because in this set-up a vigilante that shoots night1 knowing that they are aiming for 2/4 mafia and only 2/18 players in the game, the longer the game goes better the chance of the shot, also with only 1 shot you would have to be very confident or very foolish to shoot today or even tomorrow in this set-up. The bolded part is ridiculous. No, you were not correct given the information you had. Just admit you were wrong, and you were mis-using logic/sheeping/tunnelling into VE, which ultimately lead to you helping scum kill one of our blue roles. It bothered me that no-one voting VE yesterday cause answer the question I posed, "Why would VE do this as scum?". Admit you were wrong, re-read his filter, learn from your mistakes. Tryimg to make yourself look good after you were the one pushing hardest for a majority of the day against anyone who made good points about why to not lynch VE/why VE was probably telling the truth? (Against me and Risen later in the day) However, despite all this I've thought about it, and I think you were just geniunely mistaken and wrong. I don't think a scum, would push so hard all day with the amount of detail you did to lynching VE, knowing that he would flip blue. As of now I don't have any particulary good scum reads, I need to review the thread now knowing the flip. But I feel like Mattchew is probably town, and so is Risen, based on their actions prior to the lynch. Why would you give town reads at night....
Why are you afraid of town reads?
Only scum are scared of that
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johnnywup is parroting pacman on 42 regarding zephirrd
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On April 23 2012 09:14 marvellosity wrote:
VE should be banned for ragequitting.
adding marvellosity to my townreads on my power point with mattchew and that guy who asked to vig me
im going to have something for you guys tomorrow in terms of a dedicated post
see you all then 
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On April 24 2012 05:34 slOosh wrote:
Marv: thoughts on MidnightGladius and Zephirdd
I'll make a separate post on Zephirdd, as it is I've just gone over MG's filter so a few of my thoughts.
Might as well start with the bit about me. His vote for me after BH's case and subsequent withdrawal of his vote after I continued posting seemed genuine. It is basically what I expect from a rational player.
His case against johnny seems solid. I liked that he wasn't wishy washy about it, and the fact he subsequently tried to push it a little when there was little support also seemed genuine.
On April 23 2012 07:45 MidnightGladius wrote:
I still think that johnny is the best scum candidate at the moment, and that it's not too late to make it happen. His defense against my allegation of sheeping was to acknowledge that he was sheeping and claim that he's a bad player. How in the world are we just letting that slide?
There is something strange about his posts on the VE issue. Is VE and his claim scummy?
On April 23 2012 07:45 MidnightGladius wrote:
I would also be okay with lynching VE based on his complete unwillingness to continue playing, even though I'm hesitant to lynch a D1 jailkeeper claim, ridiculously scummy play or not.
On April 23 2012 09:19 MidnightGladius wrote:
..... I can't believe we just let that happen.
In order of voting time. I wonder how many scum were on VE's lynch? Tomorrow, we're taking a long hard look at Zephirdd.
Yes, apparently it is. Although he can't believe how town let the ridiculously scummy guy die. MG asks how town let this happen, with a sense of righteous indignation. But, given he's supposedly 'town' himself, what did he do about it?:
On April 23 2012 12:44 MidnightGladius wrote:
I was still uncertain about VE, so I didn't hound other players to stop voting for him.
So the question then - why was he willing to blame the rest of the non-VE voters for allowing the VE lynch when he wasn't willing to take action himself? Is it because he in fact tacitly supported it?
Quick summary: reasonable vote and rescind on me. Reasonable case on jdub without being wishy washy. Some pretty dodgy stuff with the VE vote.
I really don't like how he's shown he wants to gun for VE voters when he himself called VE ridiculously scummy and also did nothing to prevent the VE lynch.
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On April 24 2012 00:19 BlazingJitsu wrote:Well guys all I have to say is you should have listened to me and we should have lynched Marv. You have my deepest assurance that over the course of the next 72 hours I will stop at nothing to get Marv lynched. It should have been obvious that VE was playing crappy town play. It was obvious to me. It was obvious to Risen. In fact, it's interesting how obvious it was to people who put any decent thought into it or were intelligent, thoughtful people, that this was the case. All of you who had your votes on people that weren't Marv, you also allowed this to happen. You allowed a delicious mixture of jubjubs and scum to lead us down a path of idiocy. I typically try not to beat people up over this sort of thing, but it's so blatantly obvious that Marv is scum.
I'm going to briefly talk about Marv's scumbuddies Paqman and MidnightGladius. I don't know who the fourth man is, but given the distinct possibility of being shot (as the only useful townie in a game with a flipped JK) I feel the need to lay it out tonight my cases.
The main component of my case against Paqman is an associate tell. You may recall I was fairly aggressive towards Marv over the course of D1. In fact, it dominated a fair amount of my D1 posting. I pushed on the issue pretty hard, and many people had to comment on it one way or another. Of the active posters, Paqman stands out for distinctly not commenting on my case on Marv-- basically at all. But even moreso he never talks TO Marv. Here are his posts related to/addressing Marv before he is called out on it: Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 23:00 PaqMan wrote:
BJ wtf did I just read. The only posts that made any sense was the one about the mass roleclaims and the fos on marvellosity, which I agree on.
I think he'd be a good candidate for a vigi shot. Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 23:24 PaqMan wrote:
What are your thoughts on the current events? Do you think VE is right to call out Gonzaw as scum?
What do you think about Mattchew and Marvellosity? What about me??
How do you go so long without talking to Marv, and also only talking about him incidentally? Well, it's easy, PaqMan is talking to Marv in the scum QT, and he instinctively avoids interacting with him here in the game. He also tried to direct the lynch AWAY from Marv and vigi shots TOWARDS him. For this reason I think Marv is probably a GodFather, and Paqman was trying to use him to eat vigi shots. Of course, after I called him out on it about a day ago, PaqMan has addressed Marv incidentally a couple times. But nothing serious. In any case, the best course of action here is to lynch Marv first, then when he flips GF, lynch Paq.
The other associative tell case I've got is on MidnightGladius. He seems a little too diplomatic, and reserved in his posting. He actually briefly pulled the wool over my eyes here: + Show Spoiler +On April 23 2012 07:59 BlazingJitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 07:45 MidnightGladius wrote:
BJ, you're flooding the thread with duplicate posts and making it really hard for me to follow the dialogue. Yes, TL may have put a flood control on your account, but instead of posting short individual replies on multiple accounts, could you consolidate your posts and address everything at once?
Also, with regards to your conviction: what would it take to convince you that you were wrong about marv? When I voted for him, it was because his posts were fluffy, and I told myself that if he started posting more substantially, then he would be less likely to be scum. From your perspective, his later posts reflected him playing to the standard you set for him. Instead of acquitting him, you used his behavior to further incriminate him. So I ask you this, and you don't have to answer in thread if you're afraid of WIFOM or whatever, but what would convince you that marv is town? If you're absolutely certain, and nothing could shift your beliefs, then remember that this is a game of incomplete information, and that you can't possibly be sure.
Personally, I think lynching marv would make a terrible mislynch at this point.
This is a fair point. I'll do my best to consolidate replies and posts and increase the legibility of this thread. I can get a bit out of hand at times. Regarding what could convince I was wrong about Marv: at this point, very little. If you take a look at Marv's development as a player, in the past few hours he's been posting like a regular guy, an acceptable contributor-- everything seems normal. if he had been posting like this all game, I wouldn't be on his ass like this. But at the beginning, at the time of my first case, he was super scummy-- posting several times and saying nothing. my initial case was to pressure him. He responded by trying to appear active, but still being worthless. i kept on pushing, and bit by bit he stepped up his game. Only with enormous pressure was I able to make him contribute. If he had become useful after my initial pressure, that would have been fine-- but his continued attempts to lurk were scummy. At this point, I am convinced Marv is scum and I will likely not be unconvinced unless something amazing happens. I will consider lynching someone else who is scum in an attempt to avoid mislynch, but voting Marv and getting him lynched is priority #1 for me. Then, there's this deal here: Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 07:48 MidnightGladius wrote:
Wait, when exactly is the deadline? Is it exactly 48 hours from the Day 1 post, ie ~1.5 hours from now? Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 07:49 marvellosity wrote:
Could you please update the OP with the deadline time, at the moment it still says TBD Now, it's actually totally reasonable to wonder about the deadline. It might even be reasonable for these guys to post right next to each other like this. But someone else pointed this out in the thread earlier (I forget who and cant find it)-- but this sort of thing is typical for scum. What happens is they are discussing something in their scum QT together, and they're all like "huh that's weird, I can't find the deadline" and so both MG and Marv thought to ask the host based on their convo in the QT, and did so simultaneously. Big mistake. This is a weaker scumtell though, since it's based on a scumslip rather than on a more developed case. I'll have to read up on MG's filter more since I haven't interacted with him extensively this game-- Marv is the chief candidate for me, then Paq, then MG.
In summary, Marv is scum. As always. And I will push him until one of us is dead. Paq is definitely his scumbuddy. MG is probably his scumbuddy. I'm off to class for a bit. I'll be back before daybreak to respond to questions, comments, and concerns, and to find the 4th scum and singlehandedly finger the whole scumteam.
-Blazinghand
I was busy going after Mattchew.
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Also: Your whole argument against me is so stupid. Just because I haven't talked to/about Marv, you're assuming I'm his scum buddy.
You know what assuming does? It makes an ass out of u and me. You're riding marv's dick so hard and the way he reacted to you I believe he's town.
You can never be 100% certain that he really is scum unless you know something the rest of town doesn't.
I've also failed to ever mention johnny, and quite a few other people as well in my posts. They must be my scumbuddies too.
He also tried to direct the lynch AWAY from Marv and vigi shots TOWARDS him.
You misunderstood my post. I want you to get vigi'd.
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If anyone is convinced by the shit BM is posting you are dumb. I'll be back in a hour
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On April 24 2012 06:47 Bill Murray wrote:
johnnywup is parroting pacman on 42 regarding zephirrd
? I created the initial case against zephirdd bro
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On April 24 2012 07:22 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 06:47 Bill Murray wrote:
johnnywup is parroting pacman on 42 regarding zephirrd ? I created the initial case against zephirdd bro
There is no case against me.
Unless you think that being afk during day 1 when I talked about it previously and then proceed to vote on the one player that I thought was playing the scummiest means I'm scum.
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