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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On April 23 2012 12:05 PaqMan wrote: Zephirdd you haven't contributing anything useful this game. The few posts you have, have no content in them. You haven't done anything pro-town. You haven't made any sort of opinion by yourself about other players, with the exception of VE. You literally have done nothing at all except vote for VE, and that was just to avoid being modkilled. No, I haven't. It's midnight right now and I have class tomorrow. Expect something from me in about... idk, 14 to 16 hours? Yeah that should be it. I'll probably log in with my cellphone and maybe post something, but a real analysis will come in about 14 to 16 hours minimum. It's monday and I don't have to call my gf in the afternoon(finally, the girl was driving me crazy) so yeah, I'll finally get time. I may even have to retract my previous statement about you, PaqMan. I know that I've been useless so far, but I promise you all that I'm not scum right now. I also got a bit of British speech, I just finished watching Sherlock Holmes. The first one. I love these kinds of movies. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
it was supposed to be a star wars reference. oh well. | ||
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
On April 23 2012 10:42 slOosh wrote: So here are MG's thoughts on the D1 main lynch candidates. He is only willing to vote johnny, and would be ok lynching VE (but letting everyone know he would be hesitant). So out of the 4 people, he says nope these guys aren't scummy I'd rather lynch johnny. I found VE's play to be ridiculously scummy, but I was hesitant to vote for a claiming jailkeeper. You clearly twisted my words and intentions here. Then we get this post. VE just flipped blue. He subtly blames people for the VE mislynch, when he himself put in no effort to get people off, and actually would have supported the VE lynch himself. I subtly blame people? I blamed the entire town. We is a plural that includes the speaker, and I will repeat, I can't believe we let that happen. I say here that I see no need or reason to lynch VE post-claim, and I provided an alternative case on johnny, who had demonstrated scummier motivations. I was still uncertain about VE, so I didn't hound other players to stop voting for him. In any case, I doubt any of you would have listened. So what does MG think we should do next? He invites everyone to look into the VE voter list, the guy he thought was the scummiest out of the four D1 lynch candidates. There are some serious logical jumps made here. Either the candidates were all town, in which the scum would have no incentive to push the votes onto VE, or at least one of the candidates are scum and scum piled onto VE to avoid getting lynched, in which case he should be looking into who is that scum candidate. However, he suggests that we all look into the VE mislynch voter list. Could scum be hiding there? Certainly. Is it logically reasonable to start looking there? No. I provided the list, because the mods in the voting thread hadn't posted a list of voters chronologically, and I thought it would for good for everyone to see. People, read MG's filter and tell me your thoughts. I don't like how VE played but he found something off in MG. So have I. By all means, I'm happy to address your concerns, and those of any others who might share them. That said, what does everyone think of Zeph, especially his latest posts? He earlier posted a list of "scumreads" that he admitted was entirely baseless: why would a town player ever do that? It gives him a springboard to attack any of the players on it, while also giving him room to back down and jump on a different wagon instead. His posting is fluffy and irrelevant (Star Wars references? Profit memes?), and he just sheeped sloosh's case on me without providing any additional content at all. Coupled with his earlier "last-minute" vote and inactivity during Day 1, I say we have ourselves a scum. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
this game... lets vote our power roles out of the game, guys, good job | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
Just because I like to coast by D1 sometimes doesn't mean I'm not going to be posting more on subsequent days. We're in the early phase. There is not a single game where I drastically help the town that I'm not wagonned d1, after all scum find me an easy mislynch. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
I'll be traveling for the rest of the day, more or less. I'm going to try to get on while I've got some downtime inbetween flights, but no promises. Hopefully, I can be on for a bit tonight. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
VE was a town player and did that. Why are you mad at a baseless useless list? Something tickling you? memes arent really a scum tell either. I mean... its just a friggin' joke; if a joke were to mean scummyness, then by all means we should kwbill BH, layabout and anyone else who made a joke, dont you agree? you also fail to address the fact that my vote was ultimately useless and if I voted anyone else, it would make no differenc. in fact, its funny how you chose me over the other 7 voters; the one that had no weight on that shit. I was genuinely afk yet you insist that it means Im scum because of that(nevermind that I actually said that in advance). MG, your case on me has no evidence of me being scum. Thats because I dont have reasons to be scum. Thats because Im not scum. Now Ill watch some calculus, brb. ps. Bitches love calculus. Haha another meme, that must mean Im scum AMIRITE? No. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Compared to a 40 page game that started over 50 hours ago with 2 posts. MFW. | ||
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Ottoxlol
735 Posts
On April 22 2012 13:57 BroodKingEXE wrote: My Scumread: ##Vote: Marvellosity I've found something he has said particularly scummy. He proposes that he has offered more information than said lurkers(Post). The problem I have is that he didn't have anything to say besides unproductive one-liners. The idea that these posts help the town is very wrong. One-liners are a way to make us think that the poster has more stuff than they actually do. Confusing the town is worse than having a null read due to inactivity. We can't do anything about lurkers, at least not this many, lynching a lurker is pretty much a RNG lynch since we have no information to back it. As of now his only response to why he has yet to post a strong case is that he hasn't got any strong reads. This makes sense, but doesn't give him an excuse to not post. He can still look at accusations and comment on those, or he can scum hunt by pointing out mistakes and tunnel on those. To sum up I feel that Marvell is trying to mislead us into thinking he has the right to not post, which is scummy in my eyes. I have to ask for some clarification I don't think you are scum, but first you say his one-liners are worse then lurking but his lack of strong read can explain why he did not post yet then the next sentence you say he should have looked at the accusations and comment on those. He did looking at his filter, even before your vote, he was the vote leader and tried to defend himself, got into the massvigclaim debate, the VE claim+vote debate too. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
MidnightGladius voted Johnnywup Ghost_403 voted [UoN]Sentinal Acknowledgment from these players on this would be appreciated. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
On April 23 2012 16:29 Bill Murray wrote: oh people were voting me? this game... lets vote our power roles out of the game, guys, good job Why aren't we talking about this? BM comes in out of nowhere and says that he's a power role. What do you guys make of it? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On April 23 2012 23:21 johnnywup wrote: Why aren't we talking about this? BM comes in out of nowhere and says that he's a power role. What do you guys make of it? Fairly sure he was referring to VE, dearest | ||
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BlazingJitsu
United States112 Posts
All of you who had your votes on people that weren't Marv, you also allowed this to happen. You allowed a delicious mixture of jubjubs and scum to lead us down a path of idiocy. I typically try not to beat people up over this sort of thing, but it's so blatantly obvious that Marv is scum. I'm going to briefly talk about Marv's scumbuddies Paqman and MidnightGladius. I don't know who the fourth man is, but given the distinct possibility of being shot (as the only useful townie in a game with a flipped JK) I feel the need to lay it out tonight my cases. The main component of my case against Paqman is an associate tell. You may recall I was fairly aggressive towards Marv over the course of D1. In fact, it dominated a fair amount of my D1 posting. I pushed on the issue pretty hard, and many people had to comment on it one way or another. Of the active posters, Paqman stands out for distinctly not commenting on my case on Marv-- basically at all. But even moreso he never talks TO Marv. Here are his posts related to/addressing Marv before he is called out on it: On April 21 2012 23:00 PaqMan wrote: BJ wtf did I just read. The only posts that made any sense was the one about the mass roleclaims and the fos on marvellosity, which I agree on. I think he'd be a good candidate for a vigi shot. On April 21 2012 23:24 PaqMan wrote: What are your thoughts on the current events? Do you think VE is right to call out Gonzaw as scum? What do you think about Mattchew and Marvellosity? What about me?? How do you go so long without talking to Marv, and also only talking about him incidentally? Well, it's easy, PaqMan is talking to Marv in the scum QT, and he instinctively avoids interacting with him here in the game. He also tried to direct the lynch AWAY from Marv and vigi shots TOWARDS him. For this reason I think Marv is probably a GodFather, and Paqman was trying to use him to eat vigi shots. Of course, after I called him out on it about a day ago, PaqMan has addressed Marv incidentally a couple times. But nothing serious. In any case, the best course of action here is to lynch Marv first, then when he flips GF, lynch Paq. The other associative tell case I've got is on MidnightGladius. He seems a little too diplomatic, and reserved in his posting. He actually briefly pulled the wool over my eyes here: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 07:59 BlazingJitsu wrote: This is a fair point. I'll do my best to consolidate replies and posts and increase the legibility of this thread. I can get a bit out of hand at times. Regarding what could convince I was wrong about Marv: at this point, very little. If you take a look at Marv's development as a player, in the past few hours he's been posting like a regular guy, an acceptable contributor-- everything seems normal. if he had been posting like this all game, I wouldn't be on his ass like this. But at the beginning, at the time of my first case, he was super scummy-- posting several times and saying nothing. my initial case was to pressure him. He responded by trying to appear active, but still being worthless. i kept on pushing, and bit by bit he stepped up his game. Only with enormous pressure was I able to make him contribute. If he had become useful after my initial pressure, that would have been fine-- but his continued attempts to lurk were scummy. At this point, I am convinced Marv is scum and I will likely not be unconvinced unless something amazing happens. I will consider lynching someone else who is scum in an attempt to avoid mislynch, but voting Marv and getting him lynched is priority #1 for me. Then, there's this deal here: On April 23 2012 07:48 MidnightGladius wrote: Wait, when exactly is the deadline? Is it exactly 48 hours from the Day 1 post, ie ~1.5 hours from now? On April 23 2012 07:49 marvellosity wrote: Could you please update the OP with the deadline time, at the moment it still says TBD Now, it's actually totally reasonable to wonder about the deadline. It might even be reasonable for these guys to post right next to each other like this. But someone else pointed this out in the thread earlier (I forget who and cant find it)-- but this sort of thing is typical for scum. What happens is they are discussing something in their scum QT together, and they're all like "huh that's weird, I can't find the deadline" and so both MG and Marv thought to ask the host based on their convo in the QT, and did so simultaneously. Big mistake. This is a weaker scumtell though, since it's based on a scumslip rather than on a more developed case. I'll have to read up on MG's filter more since I haven't interacted with him extensively this game-- Marv is the chief candidate for me, then Paq, then MG. In summary, Marv is scum. As always. And I will push him until one of us is dead. Paq is definitely his scumbuddy. MG is probably his scumbuddy. I'm off to class for a bit. I'll be back before daybreak to respond to questions, comments, and concerns, and to find the 4th scum and singlehandedly finger the whole scumteam. -Blazinghand | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On March 15 2011 15:19 Incognito wrote: Even with some of the best players in TL mafia, nobody is going to be right 100% of the time. And as time goes on, you learn more information that may change your view of things. There are two general trends that townies make where they don't see the complete picture... The other extreme is where townies think they are so sure that player X is scum that they lock on and don't let go. This is an improvement over the wishy washiness, as mafia usually aren't this aggressive. Still, this isn't good. Usually it devolves into a flame war, wastes space etc. Unless you have some REALLY solid evidence on players, its not good to clog up the thread in your attempts to stomp your lynch target into oblivion. Bold is my emphasis. I would contend your entire case rests on a couple of one-liners and then me acting more townie which obviously makes me scum. If you're not gonna listen to me, listen to Incognito. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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