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On April 14 2012 01:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
Different things - with new players they tend to do things like talk about all blues but one (the one they are ) or not talk about blues at all.

In Jackal's case, he was acting EXACTLY the way he acted in L with a gun.

To be honest MG, you were shot for your case on me - not as a blue-snipe.

On April 14 2012 01:46 Mementoss wrote:
Lol next game I am making a spreadsheet / taking notes. Fuck 115 pages all from opinions and things kept in my noodle. Scum indeed had very good targets night 1.

On April 13 2012 16:01 syllogism wrote:
I didn't pay much attention to the game, so not sure how many mislynches mafia required to win but having toad also claim, and execute it quite poorly, seemed like a bad move to me. He certainly wouldn't be able to explain being around later on as mafia has to kill him before their, presumed, role blocker is dead.

On April 13 2012 16:05 gonzaw wrote:
His claim threw me off as well, because although it seemed very stupid from a town POV, I couldn't really explain it from a scum POV.
I mean, I couldn't really explain it from a scum POV if both VE and Toad were scum. If VE was town and Toad scum it could make sense, but again VE was scummy as fuck so it wasn't really an option.

EDIT: Oh Toad, yeah unless you killed Jitsu he would have gone guns blazing against you (I guess, though, he would still have thought you were scum and there weren't 2 vets).
I believed Jitsu to be town, and I would have fully supported him if he went against you, even more if he claimed vet himself.
Maybe that could have caused a lynch on you on D3 (kind of unlikely, but possible), specially if ET, Mementos, and all the guys that "trusted each other" (as in, I think ET, Mementos and me all thought each other were town) were in favour of it as well.
This could have stilled happened on N1 though, so my death could have changed very little if Jitsu+ET+Mementos+other guys were on it.

Of course, I think ET doubted Jitsu a little bit, so it couldn't have a lot of weight.
But if Jitsu claimed vet, it would surely have been a Jitsu vs Toad lynch, and I think most townies would side with Jitsu on that one.

On April 14 2012 01:21 Mementoss wrote:
Where I think I did good:
I think my play was pretty decent. If I had a vig shot I was shooting in this order day 1, VE michael Artanis. Only one to make a case and pressure Zealos.

I was going to make a case on Adam that night, and also say Toad isn't anywhere confirmed town his actions were still scummy. If I got hit I would claim my veteran and hopefully that would make Toad's claim seem more scummy, espeically if Jitsu breadcrumbed early and claimed with me.

Where I think I did bad:
My opinions on WBG (although after VE flipped I was hold back on WBG and admit I was probably wrong) and BH.
I never ever suspected Zelblade.
My bad play as veteran. I was never talked about being hit in ScumQT that means I failed as a veteran.

On April 14 2012 02:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
That was the idea - because the lynch was so polarized, the people hard-defending us were going to look REALLY bad when one of us flipped. People like Jitsu and prplhz (in my corner) and bugs (in Toad's corner) were setting themselves up to be mislynched the next day.

Several things were going very right for scum. I know you guys think I'm arrogant and cocky and whatever, but I honestly think this game was on the right track for scum to win. It's possible town could have put it together in the end, but if scum were the least bit proactive about it mislynches were almost guaranteed.

On April 14 2012 01:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
Different things - with new players they tend to do things like talk about all blues but one (the one they are ) or not talk about blues at all.

In Jackal's case, he was acting EXACTLY the way he acted in L with a gun.

To be honest MG, you were shot for your case on me - not as a blue-snipe.

On April 14 2012 00:42 EchelonTee wrote:
o my bad. well good scum RB/shot regardless

thx sloosh ^^ the only problem with your play is that you look so townie, scum will continually want to shoot you xp

ghost why didn't u claim ur vig shot? genuinely curious. I think town might've been fcked just b/c we lost all additional 4KP in one night. This has taught me a lot about not wasting blue power if it could potentially become anti-town.

On April 14 2012 02:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
That was the idea - because the lynch was so polarized, the people hard-defending us were going to look REALLY bad when one of us flipped. People like Jitsu and prplhz (in my corner) and bugs (in Toad's corner) were setting themselves up to be mislynched the next day.

Several things were going very right for scum. I know you guys think I'm arrogant and cocky and whatever, but I honestly think this game was on the right track for scum to win. It's possible town could have put it together in the end, but if scum were the least bit proactive about it mislynches were almost guaranteed.

On April 14 2012 01:10 Nisani201 wrote:
@Gonzaw I tried compiling your code on my linux machine and it gave me an error -.-

I think that what you're trying to do would be better to be written in Haskell rather than C++ or C. I'll try to do that instead.

On April 14 2012 03:03 Jackal58 wrote:

I almost pulled the trigger night 1.

On April 14 2012 04:04 VisceraEyes wrote:


I could feel it. You were roleblocked my friend.

On April 13 2012 16:50 gonzaw wrote:
Well yeah, I was assuming those town players were alive in D3. Or even on N1 we could have done something I think before dying.

Anyways, were there any medics in this game? I'm looking forward to the role list and night actions list.

On April 14 2012 04:51 Toadesstern wrote:


Here's the thing. We already agreed on killing you and ET. Half of the guys thinking I am mafia would have been dead d3. Only jitsu and Katina left who noone would have given a shit about. Maybe marve but again, no way in hell I would be even in danger d3 after that bus. Just no way.

Really, with 3 KP left we would have been so easily able to cut of the head of town in this game. Just imagine people like Risen, Tunk, BH, Kenpachi, prpl, FF, Nisani and Hassy being the majority of actual Town left while still some people like Jitsu, Katina, Ghost, marv were the rest of actual town + us mafia left. No way in hell I would have been lynched anytime soon.
What Syllo said is right but it wasn't even a point to worry. After 1 ML it would have been 5 straight lylos and I am pretty confident we could have got that somehow...

And about the claim: I am pretty convinced I would have done the same as town because of what sloOsh said. I even prepared a big post to explain the situation...
The point from a town point of view was not to make sense. Imagine sitting there, knowin you are blue, being almost 100% sure VE is mafia and seeing how people believe his completly random blue claim. We were sitting in our irc and couldn't believe people were actually believing VE, so props to him for making all the new guys believe his story.

As a town in that situation the game is over (game over as in town lost, not only myself) if I get lynched. You really think it's unlikely for a townie to claim in that kind of a situation if everything else seems to not work and people seem to believe the most unreasonable claim ever?
I would have claimed in that situation as town as well, trying to manipulate some new guys into not voting me to even out the ground because apparently that is what it needs nowadays to make people not believe a fakeclaim. Sad story but that's it. And saying stuff like "well I see more advantages for a mafia to claim in that situation than for a townie", that's bullshit. For both parties it's about either surviving or death at that point, even if it's only for a day. How could someone possible say a townie trying to survive to make his team win is less likely than a mafia trying to survive to make his team win?