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EchelonTee
United States5256 Posts
thx sloosh ^^ the only problem with your play is that you look so townie, scum will continually want to shoot you xp ghost why didn't u claim ur vig shot? genuinely curious. I think town might've been fcked just b/c we lost all additional 4KP in one night. This has taught me a lot about not wasting blue power if it could potentially become anti-town. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
The game desperately needed a spam vig. Preferably two of them. This spam + bus tactic is OP, at least with VE and Toad as the participants. They were bad enough in L. My scum list was pretty good except that BH was on it. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On April 14 2012 00:44 jaj22 wrote: @Marvellosity: I had you as a strong town read. You played a hell of a lot better than in your mini game. The game desperately needed a spam vig. Preferably two of them. This spam + bus tactic is OP, at least with VE and Toad as the participants. They were bad enough in L. My scum list was pretty good except that BH was on it. I gave you guys four vigis so you could take out lurkers and spammers as needed, somehow they were all out of the running by day 2 -__- | ||
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
We were also intending to bluesnipe grack but changed to Jackal. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On April 14 2012 00:44 zelblade wrote: Actually sloosh was supposed to be a bluesnipe I always play like VT when I roll blue. From my perspective, blue roles aren't that strong in the games I've played, so they were like little mini games (medic = guess who mafia will shoot, DT = check someone just for kicks), but never enough to think 'oh I have a super important role time to lurk so mafia won't shoot me'. Because that is exactly what happens. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
On April 14 2012 00:53 slOosh wrote: I always play like VT when I roll blue. From my perspective, blue roles aren't that strong in the games I've played, so they were like little mini games (medic = guess who mafia will shoot, DT = check someone just for kicks), but never enough to think 'oh I have a super important role time to lurk so mafia won't shoot me'. Because that is exactly what happens. Yea alot of newb blues post as if they are scared or something =/ You were posting lesser than usual so we decided you might be a blue and sent a bullet your way anyway :D | ||
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
On April 14 2012 00:45 GMarshal wrote: I gave you guys four vigis so you could take out lurkers and spammers as needed, somehow they were all out of the running by day 2 -__- I was thinking dayvig. Day 2 was clearly heading for disaster within a few hours of the night post  The vig situation was pretty bad luck. I can understand ET worrying about being a nightkill target, although I don't like shooting a guy with no town meta. Sputnik was practically begging for a vig, thereby wasting two of them. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 14 2012 00:33 zelblade wrote: Dude Jackal didnt shoot, the thing says "gets shot by VE" not "shot VE but failed". And yea marvels play was quite ok except a couple of wrong reads. But d2 was such a clusterfuck that -.- Yeah. I'll tell you what went wrong and what I learnt from the VE issue from my PoV. My thought process went like this: 1. What do I think of the DT claim? It's fucking stupid. Right. 2. Knowing VE as a player, do I think the claim makes any sense from EITHER a town or mafia point of view? Answer: no. 3. Neither make sense, so I lean town because I believe VE would be more calculating as mafia. #3 is where it went wrong. The 2nd bolded bit is the answer to the first although I didn't understand at the time. If neither play makes sense, then there must be something else The answer is that there is a hidden motivation that I do not know or understand -> clear scumread. | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
I think that what you're trying to do would be better to be written in Haskell rather than C++ or C. I'll try to do that instead. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On April 14 2012 00:56 zelblade wrote: Yea alot of newb blues post as if they are scared or something =/ You were posting lesser than usual so we decided you might be a blue and sent a bullet your way anyway :D Ah, that was just because it was my first normal size game and people were already driving discussion. I only posted so people wouldn't think I was scummy as I prefered to take a backseat objective view into things. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
When a whole day's discussion and votes revolve around two players of the same alignment, the day is wasted. It's good that you had a good read on me marvel and I'm flattered that you caught me by recognizing the bone-headedness of my claim (u2 bugs) but if you didn't take from this that you need to be more mindful of the reasoning - why did I claim like that if I AM scum - then I suggest you think again bro. I still attest that scum would have won this, specifically because people weren't thinking about 'why' I did it. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 14 2012 01:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah, I basically claimed scum with the claim. Bugs will tell you. The idea was to claim, then spend the remainder of the day talking about nothing but VE/Toad until the penultimate bus that ensured our victory. When a whole day's discussion and votes revolve around two players of the same alignment, the day is wasted. It's good that you had a good read on me marvel and I'm flattered that you caught me by recognizing the bone-headedness of my claim (u2 bugs) but if you didn't take from this that you need to be more mindful of the reasoning - why did I claim like that if I AM scum - then I suggest you think again bro. I still attest that scum would have won this, specifically because people weren't thinking about 'why' I did it. Absolutely. I got pwned this time but this goes in my thought process bank. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
I think my play was pretty decent. If I had a vig shot I was shooting in this order day 1, VE michael Artanis. Only one to make a case and pressure Zealos. I was going to make a case on Adam that night, and also say Toad isn't anywhere confirmed town his actions were still scummy. If I got hit I would claim my veteran and hopefully that would make Toad's claim seem more scummy, espeically if Jitsu breadcrumbed early and claimed with me. Where I think I did bad: My opinions on WBG (although after VE flipped I was hold back on WBG and admit I was probably wrong) and BH. I never ever suspected Zelblade. My bad play as veteran. I was never talked about being hit in ScumQT that means I failed as a veteran. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 14 2012 01:21 Mementoss wrote: Where I think I did good: I think my play was pretty decent. If I had a vig shot I was shooting in this order day 1, VE michael Artanis. Only one to make a case and pressure Zealos. I was going to make a case on Adam that night, and also say Toad isn't anywhere confirmed town his actions were still scummy. If I got hit I would claim my veteran and hopefully that would make Toad's claim seem more scummy, espeically if Jitsu breadcrumbed early and claimed with me. Where I think I did bad: My opinions on WBG (although after VE flipped I was hold back on WBG and admit I was probably wrong) and BH. I never ever suspected Zelblade. My bad play as veteran. I was never talked about being hit in ScumQT that means I failed as a veteran. My opinion probably doesn't mean much but I think you played well. | ||
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On April 14 2012 01:24 MidnightGladius wrote: How exactly does bluesniping work? What are things that make you think a player is blue? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147475 Scroll down to the section labelled Night 1, it goes through how to blue hunt. If you haven't read the whole thing yet, I highly recommend it. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
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