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Acrofales
Spain18239 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On April 06 2012 02:29 Mattchew wrote: ##push syllogism because there is nothing scummy about cephiro. You all seem to believe that 1 of the two HAVE to be scum. I'll take responsibility for calling him scummier of the 2. ..."You shall vote for town aligned players many times!" Could you please explain why you were suspicious of Tobon? | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
Mr.Wiggles risk.nuke Dirkzor Mattchew Cephiro (you can still pop right?) Tobon syllogism Acrofales Pull Blueligtz off please. The only reason to keep him alive would be that he would willingly be this unhelpful and anti-town as town. That is a crappy reason for letting a player live. He even challenged us to kill him: + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2012 22:44 Bluelightz wrote: Then I become the punching bag of the next day because I didnt do ANYTHING townie in d1 and discussions like this could be avoided if you simply just believe that this is what ive got and scum would probably never kill me. If this keeps on persisting, just kill me. Scum will never kill me because im always distracting town, suck it, I bet that you think that losing one PoP is worth it for not having to think of a scummy bastard like me that will be forever useless anymore. So, just lynch me whatever, i dont care about me dieing anymore everyone refuses to believe anything I say, claim whatever. I guess I will use my push on syllo, atleast I can help some way before I die and flip town. Im obssesd with role claiming because you guys keep on being "oh randomly placed bombs in the queue are scummy as fuck and therefore bluelightz is auto-scum" here is what I say it is not me that keeps on bringing this up its YOU. YOU, keep on bringing this up "" oh bluelightz's role"Oh his role is so scummy" ##Push: syllogism | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On April 05 2012 18:31 wherebugsgo wrote: I'll do some rereading when I wake up in the morning. I'm going to look through the posts and see if I can find anything that didn't stand out to me before. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts this morning. Especially on our two Misters: Zentor and Wiggles. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18239 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18239 Posts
So far I have Mattchew: Acrofales Bluelightz: Layabout (counting your post as a vote) | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On April 06 2012 02:38 layabout wrote: ..."You shall vote for town aligned players many times!" Could you please explain why you were suspicious of Tobon? He doesn't seem interested in taking a stance on anything. It looks like he just wants to blend in and do whatever everyone else is doing. (wait am I talking about myself this game lol) | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On April 05 2012 07:21 wherebugsgo wrote: key points: Bluelightz's only defense of himself was "I'm town and this is a bad idea." Bluelightz has not attempted to find scum and he has not attempted to even play this game. I see no reason to leave him alive. The Bluelightz pulls have been coming in incredibly slowly and there has been resistance to it despite several players displaying stronger convictions earlier in the game. Players additionally keep moving to other subjects. I want to have him killed sooner than later because it will allow us to consolidate our pulls on someone else afterward; either in case of an emergency, or to kill someone (such as syllo or Tobon) because Cephiro fails or something like that. As for whether scum shot sbrubbles or not, sure, it's possible. If scum shot sbrubbles then there's a strong chance risk is the scum and not either of syllo or Cephiro. How do we find out though? We can't really, unless we kill one of them. We have no idea whether scum shot Sbrubbles or Sbrubbles died for other reasons. Maybe scum shot Sbrubbles and a town vig shot Palmar! Sure, it's less likely, but its still possible, right? See how fruitless these types of discussions are? Sbrubbles could have tried to protect Palmar and then could've died like that. Let's find out if that's possible! If a medic targets the mirror toy, will it result in the medic's death? Lastly, why are you concerned that no one speculated about the night kills when we already considered the possibilities you brought up? You aren't the first to attempt to address those concerns, and certainly you don't advance the discussion by acting as if we're in a dire situation of sorts because we aren't considering all the possibilities. Trying to speculate why Bluelightz would claim his role as scum or town is as equally fruitless as trying to figure out who shot whom last night. I can think of a great reason that doesn't depend on his alignment, and that's that Bluelightz is stupid. I am not sure if i understand this: If he's telling the truth, then we can get him to use his power again, and that will free up a lot of our pushes and pulls for other uses, like the items, or just killing a couple more people, since we can pull targets to the two bombed spots if they're close instead of all the way to the end of the queue. This would be for people who are not priority flips, but who we think are scummy enough to die. Wiggles, since only one of the spots is tapped why would we use Bluelightz abilty to kill somebody, when there is only a 50/50 chance of it working for us? Surely we would still have to use multiple PoP's anyway to move players we don't wish to kill off of the spots and the player we do wish to kill onto them. Why would we want to introduce additional uncertainty, for minimal gain? (less PoPs used) | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
Syllo is hilarious, he comes up with the most flipped plan ever, and proceeds to leave the thread, and also doesn't mention anything about his item. If there is anyone that believes he is town, you're insane. cascades just keeps making himself look worse in my eyes. He blatantly ignores a lot of stuff on purpose, to try and make his words sound more confident to mislead town. He claims I gave Snarfs a free pass because I did not call him out as scum for voting me after I told everyone to stop. However, based on his earlier filter and his interaction, I have a good reason to believe that it was an honest mistake, but everything about cascades, and especially his post-vote-reactions tell me it was intentional. He also goes on about how my opinion about the town going for the item is absolutely horrible, and even claims that scum could very well just use nullification again. In my opinion this game would be more than broken if they could use it more than once a day, that'd be insane, as it causes all PoP's that hit the target to fail, as well as roleblock for the whole day/night cycle. He keeps going on about syllos idea about "Nullification+Reset power are worth it to make a scum confirmed townie". Whether he is town or scum, he's incredibly stupid for even thinking that is a realistic possibility, considering I volunteered myself, and I even said that no-one should save me, because that would confirm syllo as scum. It is not in my power to control the powers of others. His reasoning for all of his PoPs are very poor so far. But he claims they are all legitly for the good of town. cascades wrote: I am saying he had some magical way to ignore it, because he sure as hell wasn't concerned about it despite us reminding him. This one is beyond hilarious. I would like to know that magical way to ignore it too. Care to enlighten me? If anything, his ending of the post with "GG scum", should be more than obvious and he should be killed. bluelightz is just horrible. Whatever his alignment is, he isn't being useful to town at all. Mattchew's backup for his "town-ness", is that he started, or contributed to a plan, and then immediately proceed to lurking. risk.nuke really needs to contribute more. layabout... his future thingy doesn't make any sense to me, and he hasn't been particularly helpful so far.. please step up your play if you want us to believe you are town. If I had a gun, I would shoot cascades, Mattchew, and prplhz in that order. (Syllo should be more than clear to everyone by now and should be able to get killed by PoPs). I am going to check the PoP count to see if syllo should already be at or over the edge, and depending on the result I'll use my push on syllogism or save it for the moment. I am also going to make sure I can PoP, if I understood the PM right, I should still be able to PoP others myself even if I am nullified. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
However, it is possible that he has either copied an ability that enables him to move (Like VE's horsie), or one that makes PoP's less effective on him (Fat Boy Toy from DF1?), or he has gained the teleportation device, or he has been pulled back by the hidden PoP by scum. I would personally like to push syllo just to try and ensure his death. | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On April 06 2012 04:20 Acrofales wrote: We can treat our last kill just like a regular lynch and then everybody pulls the top target. It still has to happen before people start going to bed, so ##vote fast. So far I have Mattchew: Acrofales Bluelightz: Layabout (counting your post as a vote) ##Vote: Bluelightz He is playing extremely similar to his scum games. We can worry about the others later, but bluelightz should die today. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On April 06 2012 04:57 Cephiro wrote: If I had a gun, I would shoot cascades, Mattchew, and prplhz in that order. (Syllo should be more than clear to everyone by now and should be able to get killed by PoPs). You mentioned Bluelightz, but he's not on your list. Just curious where he would fall or why he was excluded. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On April 06 2012 04:51 layabout wrote: Before you make up your mind on Bluelightz i would like each of you (that have a pull left) to read through this exchange between WBG and WIggles and share their thoughts. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2012 07:21 wherebugsgo wrote: key points: Bluelightz's only defense of himself was "I'm town and this is a bad idea." Bluelightz has not attempted to find scum and he has not attempted to even play this game. I see no reason to leave him alive. The Bluelightz pulls have been coming in incredibly slowly and there has been resistance to it despite several players displaying stronger convictions earlier in the game. Players additionally keep moving to other subjects. I want to have him killed sooner than later because it will allow us to consolidate our pulls on someone else afterward; either in case of an emergency, or to kill someone (such as syllo or Tobon) because Cephiro fails or something like that. As for whether scum shot sbrubbles or not, sure, it's possible. If scum shot sbrubbles then there's a strong chance risk is the scum and not either of syllo or Cephiro. How do we find out though? We can't really, unless we kill one of them. We have no idea whether scum shot Sbrubbles or Sbrubbles died for other reasons. Maybe scum shot Sbrubbles and a town vig shot Palmar! Sure, it's less likely, but its still possible, right? See how fruitless these types of discussions are? Sbrubbles could have tried to protect Palmar and then could've died like that. Let's find out if that's possible! If a medic targets the mirror toy, will it result in the medic's death? Lastly, why are you concerned that no one speculated about the night kills when we already considered the possibilities you brought up? You aren't the first to attempt to address those concerns, and certainly you don't advance the discussion by acting as if we're in a dire situation of sorts because we aren't considering all the possibilities. Trying to speculate why Bluelightz would claim his role as scum or town is as equally fruitless as trying to figure out who shot whom last night. I can think of a great reason that doesn't depend on his alignment, and that's that Bluelightz is stupid. I am not sure if i understand this: Wiggles, since only one of the spots is tapped why would we use Bluelightz abilty to kill somebody, when there is only a 50/50 chance of it working for us? Surely we would still have to use multiple PoP's anyway to move players we don't wish to kill off of the spots and the player we do wish to kill onto them. Why would we want to introduce additional uncertainty, for minimal gain? (less PoPs used) On April 06 2012 05:10 Nemesis wrote: ##Vote: Bluelightz He is playing extremely similar to his scum games. We can worry about the others later, but bluelightz should die today. Thoughts please. Do we need to kill him now? Care to offer some Pro/Cons of leaving him alive today? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18239 Posts
On April 06 2012 05:04 Cephiro wrote: Syllo has been moved in a way or another, as he should be at position #25 by my calculations. (Which is 1 over the line). However, it is possible that he has either copied an ability that enables him to move (Like VE's horsie), or one that makes PoP's less effective on him (Fat Boy Toy from DF1?), or he has gained the teleportation device, or he has been pulled back by the hidden PoP by scum. I would personally like to push syllo just to try and ensure his death. I agree that Syllo should be on #25, but Ace nor Kurumi have updated the thread with the last pops yet, so who knows. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
So you didn't have way to get out of incineration? You hoping to waste town pulls and powers? You waste pops, propose shit plan and get away with it good job. You claim to sacrifice yourself? Why is there a need for you to be pushed in the first place so that you sacrifice? And your "sacrifice" is pointless drama. On April 05 2012 07:47 Syllo wrote: I appriciate that, but even in the case my quest fails you shouldn't save me, as me dying will confirm Cephiro as scum in a worst case scenario. What's wrong with the above paragraph? I just switched the names around. Any scum can make same post. If his quest fails we would be leaving him out to rot because he was confident his quest would succeed. And Ceph is acting like this makes him town. Oh wait, town cred is all he was looking for when he was making this post. And you guys fell for it like how Derek Jeter falls for hookers. I said scum can use nullification again if refresher orb is found, which is true. Good job putting words in my mouth. Is that the best argument you can come up with? Sad that you haven't put together ONE coherent argument and people are like, hey, its Ceph, I am going to blindly follow because I am retarded and think syllo being scum = Ceph being "confirmed" town. Keep dodging my arguments scum, I am onto you. It's really sad how the town doesn't hold ppl accountable for their actions. Keep thinking people are town because they attack others like rabid dog. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
If we leave him alive today, then it will just waste another day discussing him and wasting more PoP's the next day. Bluelightz's only defense so far has pretty much been "I'm town" without anything to add to that. He hasn't given out any of his reads as he actually does as town and has been pretty lurkish this game which is similar to his scum play as you can see here. | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On April 05 2012 22:15 Bluelightz wrote: The usage of my power *gasp* I can only say to use or not to use. For tonight just for everyone im flipping a coin if im going to use my power or not. Hey Bluelightz, why are you trying to justify using your power a second night in a row when the majority of people agree it's a good idea not to use it? How about if you survive today you hold off on using it ever again? | ||
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