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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
April 05 2012 14:24 GMT
#1201
Im here. I am active when I can hawk the thread and see each post almost in real time. This is something I have been unable to do this game. I am not good at catching up on reading of an active thread. You'll notice this is similar to me in the Kaller game, where with all the roles and craziness I basically did nothing the entire game. I feel like I've basically subbed into this game.

I tried to offer opinions and failed miserably as WBG pointed out because I haven't read the thread. This is my fault, its insulting to the players and the mods and I apologize.

That being said. I am coming more actively into the game at a time when the conveyer belt thing is MIA. I also could have used my power secretively (throwing someone around me 2 - 4 spaces) but imma choose to wait till tomorrow.

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 14:32:29
April 05 2012 14:32 GMT
#1202
PoPs - Day 2
+ Show Spoiler +


Mr.Wiggles
Bluelightz Pull prplhz Push syllogism
risk.nuke Push Cephiro
Dirkzor
Mattchew
Snarfs Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism
Cephiro
Tobon
wherebugsgo Pull Bluelightz Push Cephiro
layabout
syllogism
Mr.Zentor Pull Bluelightz
prplhz Pull Bluelightz Push Cephiro
Acrofales Push Cephiro
Bill MurrayPush wherebugsgo Pull Snarfs
cascades Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism
Nemesis Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism


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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
April 05 2012 15:00 GMT
#1203
Well, it looks like we're flipping Syllo today.
##Push: Syllogism

Risk.nuke, why did you push Cephiro instead of using your ability at the end of that day again?

WBG, are you actually scum-hunting and trying to form reads? I see you saying this a lot and throwing around names, but there's not much content, and it's super nebulous. What made you decide to change your mind on Bluelightz somewhat?
you gotta dance
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
April 05 2012 15:12 GMT
#1204
Why are people not pulling bluelightz?

Although yes, we shouldn't expect much out of him in terms of being helpful. But he is lurking and from what I've seen he likes to lurk a lot as scum. Here are his scum games:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321159&user=256428
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=235418

Town game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315210&user=235418

Notice that in his town game he is at least giving us his reads, while in his scum games he pretty much just says useless stuff. I don't see him giving out his reads this game, and so there is a good chance that bluelightz is scum this game.
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 15:13:45
April 05 2012 15:13 GMT
#1205
PoPs - Day 2
+ Show Spoiler +


Mr.Wiggles Push syllogism
Bluelightz Pull prplhz Push syllogism
risk.nuke Push Cephiro
Dirkzor
Mattchew
Snarfs Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism
Cephiro
Tobon
wherebugsgo Pull Bluelightz Push Cephiro
layabout
syllogism
Mr.Zentor Pull Bluelightz
prplhz Pull Bluelightz Push Cephiro
Acrofales Push Cephiro
Bill MurrayPush wherebugsgo Pull Snarfs
cascades Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism
Nemesis Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism



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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
April 05 2012 15:14 GMT
#1206
Well at least syllogism is dying today.
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
April 05 2012 15:17 GMT
#1207
On April 05 2012 14:15 Tobon wrote:
My vote for second push target is Mr.Zentor right now. But we have lots and lots of time. I don't want to see any more pushing at all for at least 12 hours or so. We scum hunt, we make cases, hopefully we get one more. If we're lucky we even pull a third to death.


Since that point, both BlueLightz and Wiggles have completely ignored the fact that Syllo is already doomed and have now wasted their pushes on him trying to look like they are doing something useful, when in fact, they are throwing their pushes away for absolutely no town purpose.

They were both on my potential scum list, even though I was reading others as scummier, but this is both of them completely ignoring discussion and acting 100% anti-town. Please use all remaining pulls on BlueLightz and all remaining pushes on Mr.Wiggles.

##Push Mr.Wiggles
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
April 05 2012 15:20 GMT
#1208
On April 06 2012 00:14 Nemesis wrote:
Well at least syllogism is dying today.


And yes, we probably don't have enough town PoPs to kill anyone else today, although we might get lucky with positioning and get Wiggles. They should be immediate lynch targets on day 3.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
April 05 2012 15:23 GMT
#1209

PoPs - Day 2
+ Show Spoiler +


Mr.Wiggles Push syllogism
Bluelightz Pull prplhz Push syllogism
risk.nuke Push Cephiro
Dirkzor
Mattchew
Snarfs Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism
Cephiro
Tobon Push Mr.Wiggles
wherebugsgo Pull Bluelightz Push Cephiro
layabout
syllogism
Mr.Zentor Pull Bluelightz
prplhz Pull Bluelightz Push Cephiro
Acrofales Push Cephiro
Bill MurrayPush wherebugsgo Pull Snarfs
cascades Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism
Nemesis Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism



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Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
April 05 2012 15:23 GMT
#1210
hahaha... I just skimmed the filters and in the aperture mafia one i saw him mentioning "dirk".. I was like "wtf?!? I wasn't playing in aperture... was I?" Had to check

Anyway..

I like the pushes on Syllo and will do so myself. Make sure he dies and all that

##Push: Syllogism


About bluelightz. Lets kill him. I hate martyring townies anyway and scum use that way out plenty of times when they got no where else to run. I too have noticed he haven't made any list of reads like he usually does as town. I won't pull him yet as I want town to agree to kill Bluelightz or

On April 05 2012 23:24 Mattchew wrote:
Im here. I am active when I can hawk the thread and see each post almost in real time. This is something I have been unable to do this game. I am not good at catching up on reading of an active thread. You'll notice this is similar to me in the Kaller game, where with all the roles and craziness I basically did nothing the entire game. I feel like I've basically subbed into this game.

I tried to offer opinions and failed miserably as WBG pointed out because I haven't read the thread. This is my fault, its insulting to the players and the mods and I apologize.

That being said. I am coming more actively into the game at a time when the conveyer belt thing is MIA. I also could have used my power secretively (throwing someone around me 2 - 4 spaces) but imma choose to wait till tomorrow.


This guy. This is the 2nd time delurks when called out. A horrible excuse he have for not posting. "I'm not good at catching up in an active thread". Thats only what you do in every mafia game.
Yeah WBG called you out because you posts are bad. Do better. Or just at least give it a try instead of just lurking actively.

So I'm down with killing (Pulling) BL or Mattchew today. Should give us 1 more dead - combined with Syllo its 2 total which is good enough. No reason to kill to many when more info is available tomorrow!
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
April 05 2012 15:25 GMT
#1211

PoPs - Day 2
+ Show Spoiler +


Mr.Wiggles Push syllogism
Bluelightz Pull prplhz Push syllogism
risk.nuke Push Cephiro
Dirkzor Push Syllogism
Mattchew
Snarfs Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism
Cephiro
Tobon Push Mr.Wiggles
wherebugsgo Pull Bluelightz Push Cephiro
layabout
syllogism
Mr.Zentor Pull Bluelightz
prplhz Pull Bluelightz Push Cephiro
Acrofales Push Cephiro
Bill MurrayPush wherebugsgo Pull Snarfs
cascades Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism
Nemesis Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism


I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
April 05 2012 15:39 GMT
#1212
On April 06 2012 00:23 Dirkzor wrote:
hahaha... I just skimmed the filters and in the aperture mafia one i saw him mentioning "dirk".. I was like "wtf?!? I wasn't playing in aperture... was I?" Had to check

Anyway..

I like the pushes on Syllo and will do so myself. Make sure he dies and all that

##Push: Syllogism


About bluelightz. Lets kill him. I hate martyring townies anyway and scum use that way out plenty of times when they got no where else to run. I too have noticed he haven't made any list of reads like he usually does as town. I won't pull him yet as I want town to agree to kill Bluelightz or

Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 23:24 Mattchew wrote:
Im here. I am active when I can hawk the thread and see each post almost in real time. This is something I have been unable to do this game. I am not good at catching up on reading of an active thread. You'll notice this is similar to me in the Kaller game, where with all the roles and craziness I basically did nothing the entire game. I feel like I've basically subbed into this game.

I tried to offer opinions and failed miserably as WBG pointed out because I haven't read the thread. This is my fault, its insulting to the players and the mods and I apologize.

That being said. I am coming more actively into the game at a time when the conveyer belt thing is MIA. I also could have used my power secretively (throwing someone around me 2 - 4 spaces) but imma choose to wait till tomorrow.


This guy. This is the 2nd time delurks when called out. A horrible excuse he have for not posting. "I'm not good at catching up in an active thread". Thats only what you do in every mafia game.
Yeah WBG called you out because you posts are bad. Do better. Or just at least give it a try instead of just lurking actively.

So I'm down with killing (Pulling) BL or Mattchew today. Should give us 1 more dead - combined with Syllo its 2 total which is good enough. No reason to kill to many when more info is available tomorrow!

If you read my games, i'm not a long post kind of person. I like to play up to the minute style almost conversationally. This is not an alignment meta just an explanation of shitty play meta.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
April 05 2012 15:46 GMT
#1213
Weird thing is that you haven't responded to anything in real time. You only respond when people call you out specificly. Why?

You could just skim the thread and then jump into the conversation. Ask whats goind on and then take it from there. But you don't do that. You do nothing.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
April 05 2012 15:52 GMT
#1214
On April 06 2012 00:46 Dirkzor wrote:
Weird thing is that you haven't responded to anything in real time. You only respond when people call you out specificly. Why?

You could just skim the thread and then jump into the conversation. Ask whats goind on and then take it from there. But you don't do that. You do nothing.

I think you'll notice that I only respond to the recent posts about me. I would be you could find a bunch of posts about me I don't respond to. It seems like someone calls me out for lurking once ever 2 or 3 pages.

Why should I ask whats going on when I don't trust anyone. Even from fellow good toys I am going to get a skewed version of whats actually happening, let alone whatever ways bad toys will try to spin it.

If you'll notice we are only on day 2. On day 1 I think I started the Palmar to item plan, and then started the VE to save him PoPs. I would say that for not being around much in the thread, those were not bad decisions at all, and are also something. (as opposed to the nothing you say I do). I tried to post my thoughts based off filters (which is not a good way of reading people) but that failed.

So dirkzor why haven't you done the good townie thing and offered me an explanation of everything thats happened
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
April 05 2012 15:52 GMT
#1215
EBWOP *I would bet you could*
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
April 05 2012 15:54 GMT
#1216
On April 06 2012 00:17 Tobon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 14:15 Tobon wrote:
My vote for second push target is Mr.Zentor right now. But we have lots and lots of time. I don't want to see any more pushing at all for at least 12 hours or so. We scum hunt, we make cases, hopefully we get one more. If we're lucky we even pull a third to death.


Since that point, both BlueLightz and Wiggles have completely ignored the fact that Syllo is already doomed and have now wasted their pushes on him trying to look like they are doing something useful, when in fact, they are throwing their pushes away for absolutely no town purpose.

They were both on my potential scum list, even though I was reading others as scummier, but this is both of them completely ignoring discussion and acting 100% anti-town. Please use all remaining pulls on BlueLightz and all remaining pushes on Mr.Wiggles.

##Push Mr.Wiggles

Are you being purposefully thick? There's nothing that says that Syllo didn't get a teleportation item and switched himself with someone, or that if he's scum they don't have hidden pulls or a queue altering ability that can save him. It's much better to just push him off the edge, than let him sit there and then we can all act surprised and confused if he ends up living through the end of the day. Use your head.
you gotta dance
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 05 2012 16:00 GMT
#1217
On April 06 2012 00:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Well, it looks like we're flipping Syllo today.
##Push: Syllogism

Risk.nuke, why did you push Cephiro instead of using your ability at the end of that day again?

WBG, are you actually scum-hunting and trying to form reads? I see you saying this a lot and throwing around names, but there's not much content, and it's super nebulous. What made you decide to change your mind on Bluelightz somewhat?

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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18178 Posts
April 05 2012 16:02 GMT
#1218
On April 06 2012 00:52 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 00:46 Dirkzor wrote:
Weird thing is that you haven't responded to anything in real time. You only respond when people call you out specificly. Why?

You could just skim the thread and then jump into the conversation. Ask whats goind on and then take it from there. But you don't do that. You do nothing.

I think you'll notice that I only respond to the recent posts about me. I would be you could find a bunch of posts about me I don't respond to. It seems like someone calls me out for lurking once ever 2 or 3 pages.

Why should I ask whats going on when I don't trust anyone. Even from fellow good toys I am going to get a skewed version of whats actually happening, let alone whatever ways bad toys will try to spin it.

If you'll notice we are only on day 2. On day 1 I think I started the Palmar to item plan, and then started the VE to save him PoPs. I would say that for not being around much in the thread, those were not bad decisions at all, and are also something. (as opposed to the nothing you say I do). I tried to post my thoughts based off filters (which is not a good way of reading people) but that failed.

So dirkzor why haven't you done the good townie thing and offered me an explanation of everything thats happened

Huh? The plan for Palmar was being discussed. You hadn't even pop'd yet when he was almost in the red zone and I said it was an absurdly risky plan and it would either give scum an item or get a townie killed (turns out I was right, but not for the reason I expected).

As for the plan to save Palmar when he was stuck up there, I believe VE came up with that all by himself. I will give you credit for starting the votes on him, but that actually had town consensus, so people were going to vote anyway.

Claiming credit for 2 things you didn't do is pretty damned bad for someone who has lurked the entire game. I would be happy with pulling you off the edge in stead of bluelightz (who at least has the credible excuse that he's incredibly dumb town, rather than scum).
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
April 05 2012 16:06 GMT
#1219
On April 01 2012 13:43 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What do you guys think about the item? Partway through day 1, we can decide on one person who we want to get it, and then who we want to push them and pull them back. The thing is, the people who do that have their voting powers nullified, so we need to decide on who would be best to do it to, and keep it organized, so no one "accidentally" goes off the queue.
My bold. What an odd turn of phrase, from day 1 before anything happened.
On April 02 2012 01:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Maybe something like every push/pull has to have an explanation. Don't push someone until you make a case in the thread, and hopefully get a few people to agree with you.
Sure isn't following his own advice today, is he?
On April 04 2012 22:59 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Has anybody claimed the kill on Palmar or Shrubbles yet? This is important to me. If you shot one of Palmar/Shrubbles, and haven't claimed yet, please do so. I won't be mad. I promise.
The already widely commented upon attempt to find the townie with the gun.

There is literally nothing else in his filter. It's all empty words and waffling back and forth about Bluelightz, trying to get town-cred but then dissuade us from actually doing anything to kill him.
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
April 05 2012 16:15 GMT
#1220
On April 03 2012 12:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm okay with any of those 4 dying (syllo, Sbrubbles, Wiggles or cascades) - they all have about the same chance of flipping scum as far as I'm concerned (pretty high). Personally I prefer a syllo/Wiggles double-kill...but that's not feasible with current activity.


I'll also note that VE was reading Wiggles as scum. This was his last post related to other people (the ones after were only about his own Pony Powers), before he took the hidden push and burned horribly 30 minutes later.
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