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All we know about the nullifier is that it roleblocks people and stops them from moving and that it is most likely a scum ability, because of yesterday's evens with Palmar. We don't know any of its limitations, so there is no point in wifom'ing about why mafia used it on cephiiro when they did.
Also, arguing wih Scummogism is counterproductive.
Other useless wastes of time: speculation about mafia shots and abot game setup. Tobon, I think your use of the ability was a giant waste of one of the most powerful abilities in the game, because we have no idea whether Cephiro was anywhere close to the fired. You also prolongue the whole argument around Risk's DT check, which makes its use ven worse for town. Why no wait until town is actually in trouble to use something as awesome as that? I smells scumspicious to me, but I can't think of a reason for scum to use it if Cephiro is town, so it's probably just bad, unless Cephiro is scum after all.
Conclusion: if Cephiro is scum, then Tobon is too.
If Cephiro is town, then Tobon is (bad)
However, believing Cephiro is scum together with Tobon and a nullifier requires scum to be playing so badly that it is beyond ridiculouusto contemplate, so you two are both probably town. So Tobon,step your game up and stop speculating about random crap like game mechanics and people's roles and start scumhunting.
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EBWOP: if Cephiro is town, then Tobon is (bad) town
Someone is eating words out of my sentences
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Cephiro, could you please stop putting so much value in the god damn item. Your plan failed. We should just have pushed whoever we thought was scum.
I'm still thinking about pushing syllo over the edge just to make sure he dies.
On April 05 2012 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
There are several townies in this game who are not pulling their fair share. You know who you are; if I consider you to be scummy at this point and you're actually town you're probably one of them.
People who need to stop fucking around if they are town:
mattchew, cascades, bluelightz, BM, MrZentor
The chance that all of you are scum is incredibly marginal, so please, whichever ones of you are town, step it up and try to help find the scum.
Thats so well spoken. The problem is how to divide the bad townies from the scummy ones. I think Mattchew and Zentor are the best targets to kill.
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I'd rather push syllo all the way over than leave him in the incineration zone, I agree.
Rather than risk not having a flip, I'd like it if we know for sure he's going to die.
As for pulls, we might want to discuss those in depth because now that things have been reset we can actually pull someone other than Bluelightz if we want. I still think Bluelightz needs to die, but one can easily make a case for MrZentor, mattchew, and cascades particularly.
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I'm just not sure about BL because both Zentor and Mattchew want him dead too... And I have a nagging feeling that BL would do this as town aswell.
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On April 05 2012 18:12 Dirkzor wrote:
I'm just not sure about BL because both Zentor and Mattchew want him dead too... And I have a nagging feeling that BL would do this as town aswell.
yeah, I'm having the feeling that he isn't bothering to read the thread and he's just derping around because he has role and wants to use it.
It seems rather odd that the lights would go out after he chose to use the role. I suppose scum could have tried to make him look worse through that. I dunno, I've been thinking about that whole thing a lot and it's rather difficult for me to say whether BL is actually scum, because I don't know exactly how to differentiate between bad play and scum play.
The problem with leaving him alive is that he actually doesn't do anything. That's exactly how he played as scum. Perhaps if that's just his general style we can't do anything until we've flipped a scum and we have the luxury of coming back to him.
I'll do some rereading when I wake up in the morning. I'm going to look through the posts and see if I can find anything that didn't stand out to me before.
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Aargh, I haven't had my coffee yet, my implications above are all wrong.
If cephiro is town, then Tobon is (bad) town is correct. There is no way scum would EVER use this ability to save a townie. Not even terrible, horrible, atrocious scum would do that.
The other implication should read:
If Tobon is scum, then cephiro is scum, which is simply the contraposition of the one above. I realized that if Cephiro flips scum, Tobon could still be a terribad townie who believed Cephiro to be town.
This also changes the conclusion a bit, but not too much. I guess it is possible to entertain the idea that scum knew where Cephiro was and timed the four pushes to waste 4 pushes before nullifying him in the white zone. However, it just seems way too reckless a play, when things like this depend on timing over a forum. And that's assuming the nullification can even be used on fellow scum.
On top of that, I concluded from Cephiro's filter yesterday that he's probably town and have no reason to change that yet. Tobon is therefore also probably town. I still insist that he steps up his game, though.
Now, on to more important matters. WBG, I disagree with you. This is the last post from Ace:
PoPs - Day 2
+ Show Spoiler +
Mr.Wiggles
Bluelightz Pull prplhz
risk.nuke Push Cephiro
Dirkzor
Mattchew
Snarfs Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism
Cephiro
Tobon
wherebugsgo Pull Bluelightz Push Cephiro
layabout
syllogism
Mr.Zentor Pull Bluelightz
prplhz Pull Bluelightz Push Cephiro
Acrofales Push Cephiro
Bill MurrayPush wherebugsgo Pull Snarfs
cascades Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism
Nemesis Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism
So we have mrzentor, syllo, layabout, tobon, cephiro, mattchew, dirkzor and mrwiggles' pushes left (a total of 8). Layabout claimed yesterday he had no PoP ability, which, if true, leaves us at 7. Cephiro is nullified, leaving us at 6. One belongs to Syllo, so 6 effective pushes if everybody cooperates. That is enough to, probabilistically, get some other scum into the red zone. As I said above, pushing Syllo is only useful if you think he can do something between now and the night deadline to change his survival condition. If he can, then he might as well have done it already. So pushing him further at this point is just a waste of pops: we need 4 pops to push him off, which leaves us with 2 for someone else: that is not enough for anything.
Your scumspects: I like bluelightz mattchew and cascades. Still on the fence about MrZentor. Given this, how about the following action plan:
pushes on bluelightz
pulls on cascades
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Problem with letting Syllo stay where he is isn't about the item. (God i hate that item by now). We don't know what abilities are left and how they can be used. I would rather get 1 kill then potentially 3 kills. And so many actions tomorrow depends on us resolving the Syllo/cephiro sitation.
Risk.nuke: Do something. Anything. Just because we all think your claim is believable doesn't mean you should stop playing.
We should just agree on who to push/pull before everryone goes ahead and do it (like you all have done so far... *grumble*)
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On April 05 2012 18:39 Acrofales wrote:
pushes on bluelightz
pulls on cascades
Have more coffee. You missed that Nemesis (double-)pulled bluelightz after the reset, and therefore is a terrible push target. 6 pushes isn't going to get him into the fire. Reverse the direction of these two.
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On April 05 2012 04:00 layabout wrote:
Given what we know, we should kill syllo. Between syllo and ceph we have at least a 50/50 chance of hitting mafia, if risk is being truthful and there are no millers.
Of the two cephiro appears to be town because of ________yawn________
Syllogism does not appear to be scumhunting, but has spent time and effort doing "other stuff"
Yet i see a number of pulls have been used on Bluelightz, before i have even had a chance to read the thread.
It looks like this is going to end up like yesterday...
I am not roleclaiming so suck it.
Hmm okay LB, for the last time......
During the night I may PM the mods for the queue to be booby trapped.
I misread it and it didnt reveal the affected positions
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Looked over the thread a little I found this interesting
On April 05 2012 15:59 prplhz wrote:
We do know something about the nullifier, he can nullify townies in the red zone.
We don't know if he can nullify scum or if he can nullify people outside of the red zone.
I think it would be weird if he could just nullify anybody anywhere whenever because then it's going to be nigh impossible to lynch scum ever, especially since it has multiple charges. It seems a lot more reasonable to think that it probably can't do any more than we've seen it do yet.
I have no idea why we decided to kill syllogism by pushing Cephiro, when a more simple and straight forward way would be to push syllogism. Cephiro can use whatever ability he has some other time when lights are back on and we have more control over what is happening. Anyway, since you guys are already lynching Bluelightz and syllogism and I don't have any more PoPs I'm probably going to be less active for the rest of the day.
I don't see having no PoPs is any reason to be less active, what do you guys think about it?
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Oh derp also, one of the three randomized positions are truly booby trapped.
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Ah, bluelightz. Great to have your presence. I feel like pulling you off the bottom of the queue, but I'm willing to listen. You haven't answered some questions in this thread. Please do, imho your life depends on it.
Why did you think using your bombs was in any way, shape, or form a good idea? Regardless of the darkness (which, imho just makes it even better for scum to have the bombs placed).
On top of that, knowing that it is dark and nobody can see positions, except possibly the guy who cast darkness (and is almost certainly scum), why did you say where the bombs were?
And finally, because other than placing bombs your contribution to this game has been completely nothing, please give your top 3 scum reads, and tell us why they are scum.
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On April 05 2012 20:20 Acrofales wrote:
Ah, bluelightz. Great to have your presence. I feel like pulling you off the bottom of the queue, but I'm willing to listen. You haven't answered some questions in this thread. Please do, imho your life depends on it.
Why did you think using your bombs was in any way, shape, or form a good idea? Regardless of the darkness (which, imho just makes it even better for scum to have the bombs placed).
On top of that, knowing that it is dark and nobody can see positions, except possibly the guy who cast darkness (and is almost certainly scum), why did you say where the bombs were?
And finally, because other than placing bombs your contribution to this game has been completely nothing, please give your top 3 scum reads, and tell us why they are scum.
First question, I never knew about the darkness thing ;;, I was sleeping(SORRY) when most of the HELL NO's were being thrown, and near the deadline I was in school ;;, I used the ability because I wanted to at least get confirmed to my role and not some random bull shit claim.
I said where the bombs were likeI outlined in the plan but didnt read the day post at the time I did.
Top scummiest players comin soon as I read everyones filter.
syllo is one of them to say the least ><
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Okay, real life update: the plans we had made to go somewhere for Easter were off the table as too expensive, but we found a cheap deal to go to Zaragoza. The hotel has internet access, but basically from tomorrow until sunday I will be afk, except for quick checks in the morning and/or evening.
Ace, I am unsure on your policy about this. I can probably meet the mandatory post once per day and push/pop deadlines, but the reading pressure on this game is pretty high, so don't expect much from me, starting tomorrow. Do you want me to find a replacement?
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Blue: the problem with your role claim and your usage of said role is that it accomplishes nothing besides proving you aren't lying about your role. It doesn't nothing to clear you as scum nor does it help town.
Putting the bombs down "might" have helped town in some far fetched scenario where we only had 1 PoP left and the guy we wanted to kill was right next to one of the spaces that were booby trapped. And even then its not even sure the person dies. So all in all your usage of your power was not very town friendly. Beside using and claiming you haven't really done anything which makes it hard to argue why you should stay alive.
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The usage of my power *gasp* I can only say to use or not to use.
For tonight just for everyone im flipping a coin if im going to use my power or not.
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On April 05 2012 22:15 Bluelightz wrote:
The usage of my power *gasp* I can only say to use or not to use.
For tonight just for everyone im flipping a coin if im going to use my power or not.
Jesus christ.
I say we don't lynch Bluelightz because what he is doing right now cannot be faked so I doubt he is scum. The only thing you can conclude from his behavior is that he doesn't read the thread, he doesn't care about proving his own innocence, he doesn't care about town winning, and he doesn't want to play this game. Doesn't make him scum though. He has probably just been busy or something.
You guys should kill Mr. Wiggles.
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On April 05 2012 22:15 Bluelightz wrote:
The usage of my power *gasp* I can only say to use or not to use.
For tonight just for everyone im flipping a coin if im going to use my power or not.
Lol. I hope you're dead before tonight.
Why did you want your role confirmed instead of some "random bullshit claim"? What purpose does it have to confirm your role? Why are you obsessed with roleclaiming at all? What purpose does it serve?
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On April 05 2012 22:29 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 22:15 Bluelightz wrote:
The usage of my power *gasp* I can only say to use or not to use.
For tonight just for everyone im flipping a coin if im going to use my power or not. Lol. I hope you're dead before tonight. Why did you want your role confirmed instead of some "random bullshit claim"? What purpose does it have to confirm your role? Why are you obsessed with roleclaiming at all? What purpose does it serve?
Then I become the punching bag of the next day because I didnt do ANYTHING townie in d1 and discussions like this could be avoided if you simply just believe that this is what ive got and scum would probably never kill me.
If this keeps on persisting, just kill me. Scum will never kill me because im always distracting town, suck it, I bet that you think that losing one PoP is worth it for not having to think of a scummy bastard like me that will be forever useless anymore.
So, just lynch me whatever, i dont care about me dieing anymore everyone refuses to believe anything I say, claim whatever. I guess I will use my push on syllo, atleast I can help some way before I die and flip town.
Im obssesd with role claiming because you guys keep on being "oh randomly placed bombs in the queue are scummy as fuck and therefore bluelightz is auto-scum"
here is what I say it is not me that keeps on bringing this up its YOU. YOU, keep on bringing this up "" oh bluelightz's role"Oh his role is so scummy"
##Push: syllogism
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On April 05 2012 22:44 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 22:29 Acrofales wrote:On April 05 2012 22:15 Bluelightz wrote:
The usage of my power *gasp* I can only say to use or not to use.
For tonight just for everyone im flipping a coin if im going to use my power or not. Lol. I hope you're dead before tonight. Why did you want your role confirmed instead of some "random bullshit claim"? What purpose does it have to confirm your role? Why are you obsessed with roleclaiming at all? What purpose does it serve? Then I become the punching bag of the next day because I didnt do ANYTHING townie in d1 and discussions like this could be avoided if you simply just believe that this is what ive got and scum would probably never kill me. If this keeps on persisting, just kill me. Scum will never kill me because im always distracting town, suck it, I bet that you think that losing one PoP is worth it for not having to think of a scummy bastard like me that will be forever useless anymore. So, just lynch me whatever, i dont care about me dieing anymore everyone refuses to believe anything I say, claim whatever. I guess I will use my push on syllo, atleast I can help some way before I die and flip town. Im obssesd with role claiming because you guys keep on being "oh randomly placed bombs in the queue are scummy as fuck and therefore bluelightz is auto-scum" here is what I say it is not me that keeps on bringing this up its YOU. YOU, keep on bringing this up "" oh bluelightz's role"Oh his role is so scummy" ##Push: syllogism
Lol. After this I kinda don't want to kill you anymore. I needed more from you to decide whether you were scum or just useless town. Thanks for confirming useless town.
Next up on my scumometer: Mattchew. He has been awol for like 2 days now, despite posting in the GoT post-game chitterchat. What's up with that? His contributions to this thread have been nothing. He is playing completely differently to GoT mafia (where he was town and had a lot of presence).
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