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On April 05 2012 11:49 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 11:01 Tobon wrote:
It seems like Syllogism is generally agreed upon as scum. I assume anyone who was having second thoughts will be more convinced by the nullification of Cephiro. He seems like a good first target.
I think we push him 6 times, then agree on a second push target and/or a pull target.
I think Mr.Zentor, cascades, prplhz are scum. I'm willing to go along with wiggles or bluelightz if the rest of town prefers them. I am having second thoughts about syllo Also, you saying " I'm willing to go along with wiggles or bluelightz if the rest of town prefers them." looks like you don't want any of the responsibility for their flips. Why are you so wishy washy?
Because I have reasonable doubt about Wiggles and Bluelightz, so I'd prefer to fry the people I have stronger scum reads on. I still think both of them have a good chance of being scum, though, and I'm happy to PoP them and be held responsible for their flips if the majority prefers them.
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Here are my thoughts.
Cephiro is 100% town in my eyes. I do disagree with him about syllo and acro. I get scum vibes from prp and cascades for sure though.
I hate trying to figure out bluelightz. In all honesty he is a permanent null read because he seems to always be scum's go to townie lynch.
Bill Murray is scum IMO.
Tobon is probably scum
anyone have any clue as to what the conveyor belt thing looks like after todays actions so far?
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On April 05 2012 11:56 Mattchew wrote:
Here are my thoughts.
Cephiro is 100% town in my eyes. I do disagree with him about syllo and acro. I get scum vibes from prp and cascades for sure though.
I hate trying to figure out bluelightz. In all honesty he is a permanent null read because he seems to always be scum's go to townie lynch.
Bill Murray is scum IMO.
Tobon is probably scum
anyone have any clue as to what the conveyor belt thing looks like after todays actions so far?
so are you saying that Tobon is lying about his ability?
And if you don't think syllo is scum and cephiro is town, are you saying that risk.nuke lied about the dt check and is scum?
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On April 05 2012 11:56 Mattchew wrote:
Here are my thoughts.
Cephiro is 100% town in my eyes. I do disagree with him about syllo and acro. I get scum vibes from prp and cascades for sure though.
I hate trying to figure out bluelightz. In all honesty he is a permanent null read because he seems to always be scum's go to townie lynch.
Bill Murray is scum IMO.
Tobon is probably scum
anyone have any clue as to what the conveyor belt thing looks like after todays actions so far?
hi scum.
You think stupid things because you haven't been reading the thread.
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##Push: syllogism
##Pull: bluelightz
We'll worry about what to do later, but the two of them needs to die today. I'm off to sleep now.
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Fuck this shit I lost my post and have to retype this shit.
Lol ceph don't give me shit. I was in a rush and it was a genuine mistake. My pops weren't in correct format.
You gave snarfs a free pass. Cos he buddied with you and I was suspicious of you, for entirely legit reasons? In most other games my pressure on fake softclaim and "i'm town" filler posts would be a gigantic red flag. Don't be hatin.
My original post was targetting mattchew since he all but dissappeared like syllo. He still doesn't look good.
Why would Tobon's ability make him town Nemesis? Because it was town in previous games? Look at mirror toy. You can't imagine reset power being useful to mafia? Critical thinking.
Why would Tobon's use of ability make him town to those that suddenly cleared him?
1) Why can't he be trying to buy town credit?
2) Ceph has some magical power that avoids nullification, which is why he wasn't afraid of mafia using nullification and ruining his plan. Why is there a need for Tobon to use his ability and waste all the pulls on Bluelightz?
Critical thinking.
Getting item is bad. Ceph left out the critical part, which refresher orb is instant.Don't need more mafia nullifcations and shit.
What's up with delay on lynching syllo? We need to move on. Dude's disappeared off the face of the earth. You guys too pussy to start pop because I got chewed out for doing so?
##Push: syllo
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We'll want to save 3 pulls until near end of day, in case we push scum into the item and the item turns out to be the teleporter. 3 pulls can move #21 back down to safety.
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Day 2
PoPs - Day 2
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Mr.Wiggles
Bluelightz Pull prplhz
risk.nuke Push Cephiro
Dirkzor
Mattchew
Snarfs Pull Bluelightz
Cephiro
Tobon
wherebugsgo Pull Bluelightz Push Cephiro
layabout
syllogism
Mr.Zentor Pull Bluelightz
prplhz Pull Bluelightz Push Cephiro
Acrofales Push Cephiro
Bill MurrayPush wherebugsgo Pull Snarfs
cascades Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism
Nemesis Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism
17 Toys alive, 5 Bad Toys remain.
Day 2 ends on Friday April 6th @ 12:00 AM ET 13:00 GMT (+00:00)
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On April 05 2012 12:23 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 11:56 Mattchew wrote:
Here are my thoughts.
Cephiro is 100% town in my eyes. I do disagree with him about syllo and acro. I get scum vibes from prp and cascades for sure though.
I hate trying to figure out bluelightz. In all honesty he is a permanent null read because he seems to always be scum's go to townie lynch.
Bill Murray is scum IMO.
Tobon is probably scum
anyone have any clue as to what the conveyor belt thing looks like after todays actions so far?
hi scum. You think stupid things because you haven't been reading the thread.
well this is true. (insert real life excuse no one gives a shit about here)
and to there having to be scum in syllo and ceph with shrubbles flipping town. IDK. I don't get scum vibes from either. Syllo would be my absolute pick, are we sure there isn't a toy like a miller? I'm grasping at straws cause I only really read over some filters.
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On April 05 2012 12:31 cascades wrote:
Fuck this shit I lost my post and have to retype this shit.
1Lol ceph don't give me shit. I was in a rush and it was a genuine mistake. My pops weren't in correct format.
2You gave snarfs a free pass. Cos he buddied with you and I was suspicious of you, for entirely legit reasons? In most other games my pressure on fake softclaim and "i'm town" filler posts would be a gigantic red flag. Don't be hatin.
My original post was targetting mattchew since he all but dissappeared like syllo. He still doesn't look good.
Why would Tobon's ability make him town Nemesis? Because it was town in previous games? Look at mirror toy. You can't imagine reset power being useful to mafia? Critical thinking.
3Why would Tobon's use of ability make him town to those that suddenly cleared him?
1) Why can't he be trying to buy town credit?
2) Ceph has some magical power that avoids nullification, which is why he wasn't afraid of mafia using nullification and ruining his plan. Why is there a need for Tobon to use his ability and waste all the pulls on Bluelightz?
Critical thinking.
4Getting item is bad. Ceph left out the critical part, which refresher orb is instant.Don't need more mafia nullifcations and shit.
5What's up with delay on lynching syllo? We need to move on. Dude's disappeared off the face of the earth. You guys too pussy to start pop because I got chewed out for doing so?
##Push: syllo
I'm having a real tough time following your thoughts here.
1 You seem to think Cephiro called you scum because you formatted your vote wrong?
2 You seem to think that somewhere I was buddying with Cephiro? And what does this sentence mean: In most other games my pressure on fake softclaim and "i'm town" filler posts would be a gigantic red flag. A red flag for what exactly?
3 1) You seem to think that scum would waste their nullify ability so that Tobon could waste his one-time ability so that he could gain town cred?
2) What? The pushes didn't work. Cephiro was nullified. This is confirmed.
4 I don't even know what you're saying. Refresher orb acts instantly. That's all I got out of this line.
5 You seem to think that because you got called out for wasting a PoP on Palmar, this implies that people being concerned about wasting more PoPs makes them "pussy"?
If you're town, would you mind clarifying these points for me?
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On April 05 2012 12:31 cascades wrote:
Why would Tobon's use of ability make him town to those that suddenly cleared him?
Ceph received 6 pushes (2 cancelled) and then was nullified. 6 pushes would absolutely put him in the fire zone. 4 very likely does, and we have to expect that the scum with the Darkness power has some sort of limited visibility (as in the description from DFM1, although perhaps not identical).
We know with near certainty that the nullification is a scum power, as it was used to attempt to kill Palmar day 1, and Palmar later did die and flipped town.
Therefore, Ceph was dead today if I didn't act, and that attempted murder was instigated by scum.
Therefore, both Ceph and I are confirmed town, as much as "confirmed" can possibly be before death and flip.
On April 05 2012 12:31 cascades wrote:
2) Ceph has some magical power that avoids nullification, which is why he wasn't afraid of mafia using nullification and ruining his plan.
And yet, he is mod-confirmed nullified, as demonstrated by the failure of Snarf's and Zentor's pushes. So you are full of crap here.
As confirmed town, I want to see 2 more Syllo pushes (we have 3 already, counting Nemesis's double-strong one), no more and no less (post and give warning before performing your push). Vote for second scum push target. Anyone who uses a push on anyone else until that target is decided is super scummy.
If anyone has comments or corrections on my push percentages, and therefore on what the plan should be, let's hear 'em.
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On April 05 2012 13:42 Tobon wrote:
As confirmed town, I want to see 2 more Syllo pushes (we have 3 already, counting Nemesis's double-strong one), no more and no less (post and give warning before performing your push).
I'm pushing syllo.
I think our other kill should be Bluelightz.
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Day 2
An item has been picked up
PoPs - Day 2
+ Show Spoiler +
Mr.Wiggles
Bluelightz Pull prplhz
risk.nuke Push Cephiro
Dirkzor
Mattchew
Snarfs Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism
Cephiro
Tobon
wherebugsgo Pull Bluelightz Push Cephiro
layabout
syllogism
Mr.Zentor Pull Bluelightz
prplhz Pull Bluelightz Push Cephiro
Acrofales Push Cephiro
Bill MurrayPush wherebugsgo Pull Snarfs
cascades Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism
Nemesis Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism
17 Toys alive, 5 Bad Toys remain.
Day 2 ends on Friday April 6th @ 12:00 AM ET 13:00 GMT (+00:00)
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On April 05 2012 13:49 Snarfs wrote:
I think our other kill should be Bluelightz.
Bluelightz is a bit of a special case, because he got double-pulled by Nemesis after my reset. Therefore he'd need 7 pushes to get in the optimal zone. I'd be fine with attempting to pull him to death, but I don't think he should be the second push target.
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On April 05 2012 13:59 Ace wrote:
An item has been picked up
Bad luck! But at least we know for sure that he's in the fire zone. No more Syllo pushes, please.
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Would we be visibly informed if a teleport took place? Or any of the other item types were activated? (I assume the gun, at least, would be fairly obvious....)
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No since you can't see the queue you wouldn't know. Some of the items are private in use,
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Okay. So if Syllo got a teleporter he can save himself and there isn't any way for us to know until end of day. Nothing to be done about it. The other 5/6ths of the time he dies at end of day, so we're done with him.
My vote for second push target is Mr.Zentor right now. But we have lots and lots of time. I don't want to see any more pushing at all for at least 12 hours or so. We scum hunt, we make cases, hopefully we get one more. If we're lucky we even pull a third to death.
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On April 05 2012 11:56 Mattchew wrote:
Here are my thoughts.
Cephiro is 100% town in my eyes. I do disagree with him about syllo and acro. I get scum vibes from prp and cascades for sure though.
I hate trying to figure out bluelightz. In all honesty he is a permanent null read because he seems to always be scum's go to townie lynch.
Bill Murray is scum IMO.
Tobon is probably scum
anyone have any clue as to what the conveyor belt thing looks like after todays actions so far?
The bolded statements, what the f---.
On April 05 2012 12:31 cascades wrote:
Fuck this shit I lost my post and have to retype this shit.
Lol ceph don't give me shit. I was in a rush and it was a genuine mistake. My pops weren't in correct format.
You gave snarfs a free pass. Cos he buddied with you and I was suspicious of you, for entirely legit reasons? In most other games my pressure on fake softclaim and "i'm town" filler posts would be a gigantic red flag. Don't be hatin.
My original post was targetting mattchew since he all but dissappeared like syllo. He still doesn't look good.
Why would Tobon's ability make him town Nemesis? Because it was town in previous games? Look at mirror toy. You can't imagine reset power being useful to mafia? Critical thinking.
Why would Tobon's use of ability make him town to those that suddenly cleared him?
1) Why can't he be trying to buy town credit?
2) Ceph has some magical power that avoids nullification, which is why he wasn't afraid of mafia using nullification and ruining his plan. Why is there a need for Tobon to use his ability and waste all the pulls on Bluelightz?
Critical thinking.
Getting item is bad. Ceph left out the critical part, which refresher orb is instant.Don't need more mafia nullifcations and shit.
What's up with delay on lynching syllo? We need to move on. Dude's disappeared off the face of the earth. You guys too pussy to start pop because I got chewed out for doing so?
##Push: syllo
"My pops weren't in correct format" .... Are you seriously trying to say that just because you forgot to bold your vote it somehow doesn't count or is a mistake vote?
I've given snarfs a free pass? When? I didn't even know I had free passes, nice to know.
I agree, Tobon's ability doesn't make him town. The way he used does. Unless you go as far as claim that he is scum that fake-claimed, as we can't currently verify his claim. Although, I am sure someone would have been smart enough to counter-claim by this. Unless you go as far and try to claim that Tobon is scum fakeclaiming De Ja Vu Toy when there is not one in the whole game. Occam's Razor, go figure which is more likely.
Getting item for town in most cases would have been good. I did not add the word instant into the refresher orb, as anyone playing the game should have read the OP and be aware of that. As you could see, I just copypasted the items and added my comments. In my comments I brought up that the refreshing item would also refresh the scum nullify, so your point is invalid.
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It seems syllo gained the item, which is unfortunate. This is the only reason why I was slightly against at the idea of _pushing_ syllo. At the moment I would kind of just get a bunch of people to push him and see if he gets insta-killed over the ledge, I guess we can only hope that he didn't nail a good item.
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