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On March 22 2012 09:41 Hassybaby wrote:
Don't make me throw you into the incinerator as well catplanet. I'll do it
I had to throw my best friend in there....
If this was really like Portal you probably wouldn't throw me in the Aperture Science Emergency Intelligence Incinerator. This mafia seems to have taken away the uniqueness of GLaDOS and made her just a narrator rather than a controlling antagonist. just want an explanation.
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On March 22 2012 09:49 catplanetcatplanet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 09:41 Hassybaby wrote:
Don't make me throw you into the incinerator as well catplanet. I'll do it
I had to throw my best friend in there.... If this was really like Portal you probably wouldn't throw me in the Aperture Science Emergency Intelligence Incinerator. This mafia seems to have taken away the uniqueness of GLaDOS and made her just a narrator rather than a controlling antagonist. just want an explanation.
Are you even playing in this game?
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On March 22 2012 09:49 catplanetcatplanet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 09:41 Hassybaby wrote:
Don't make me throw you into the incinerator as well catplanet. I'll do it
I had to throw my best friend in there.... If this was really like Portal you probably wouldn't throw me in the Aperture Science Emergency Intelligence Incinerator. This mafia seems to have taken away the uniqueness of GLaDOS and made her just a narrator rather than a controlling antagonist. just want an explanation.
It's just a themed game Mr. planet. No further explanation is necessary.
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On March 22 2012 09:51 Velinath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 09:49 catplanetcatplanet wrote:On March 22 2012 09:41 Hassybaby wrote:
Don't make me throw you into the incinerator as well catplanet. I'll do it
I had to throw my best friend in there.... If this was really like Portal you probably wouldn't throw me in the Aperture Science Emergency Intelligence Incinerator. This mafia seems to have taken away the uniqueness of GLaDOS and made her just a narrator rather than a controlling antagonist. just want an explanation. Are you even playing in this game?
No. Your point?
On March 22 2012 09:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 09:49 catplanetcatplanet wrote:On March 22 2012 09:41 Hassybaby wrote:
Don't make me throw you into the incinerator as well catplanet. I'll do it
I had to throw my best friend in there.... If this was really like Portal you probably wouldn't throw me in the Aperture Science Emergency Intelligence Incinerator. This mafia seems to have taken away the uniqueness of GLaDOS and made her just a narrator rather than a controlling antagonist. just want an explanation. It's just a themed game Mr. planet. No further explanation is necessary.
Hokey dokey I guess. I hope there will be a song at the end ^^
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On March 22 2012 08:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So, I'm going to actually write out why I believe ghost_403 is scum. 1Someone said that he actually wasn't the first one to bring up the possible changing wheatley win condition, but my point still stands, and even changes a bit now. + Show Spoiler +On March 18 2012 00:55 ghost_403 wrote:
Just my thoughts on the Wheatly role:
I'm not ever going to trust Wheatly. IIRC, Wheatly screws over Chell in Portal 2 by taking control of Aperture, despite his best intentions. I can see this going the same way. Wheatly begins the game by helping the town, then gets a new wincon where he has to kill us all or something. His post was phrased in a way that I thought he was the first one to bring it up. However, it turns out he wasn't, so then this post still looks weird. It's still baseless, and still useless, but the thought isn't even original now. This post contributes nothing to the discussion, and it still spreads distrust of the Wheatley role, before we even have any idea what it does. As well, I don't think the discussion on Wheatley changing victory conditions has any merit. We can't be 100% sure that Velinath was town to begin with, no matter how much we think so, so we need to continue scrutinizing him as the game goes on. So, him changing his victory condition, is no different than him being scum maintaining a well made facade, that only crumbles on later days. The point is that he only shows his scummy colours later into the game. The situations are analogous, so the Wheatley conjecture was a complete waste of time. Discussing it was just making posts that look like they're contributing, while they provide nothing at all. 2Next, is the flip-flopping on Drazerk and Dirk. Normally, I don't consider flip-flopping to be a scum-tell, and being on the Draz lynch doesn't make someone town, the same as being off it doesn't make them scum (depending on the reasons given). However, the way ghost_403 flip-flopped makes it look like he was worried about blending in to the crowd. He makes these posts, saying that he doesn't want to lynch Draz, but instead Dirk: + Show Spoiler +On March 18 2012 00:24 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 00:18 Bluelightz wrote:On March 17 2012 23:31 Hassybaby wrote:
Ok, I think we've discussed Drazerk enough. He's either tellign the truth, and we can decide how we can use the information later, or he's lying, and we can ill him later. Either way, we should not waste a lynch on him. Lynches are for scum, not third party
Lets focus back on the elections. While I think Velinath and BH are good candidates, I would be ok with the likes of jayjay or zelblade there as well. There was good info that came out of that discussion, and I think the guys in it are most likely town. I Disagree Hassy, third parties are still a threat to town and should be elimenated. Eventually. As of right now, he's no danger to the town. His roleclaim has told us that we don't really need to listen to him, and now that we have his death-flavor/whatever, we'll know when he kills people. If he starts killing townies, we lynch him. Otherwise, I think we should leave him alone and concentrate on finding people who are a threat to the town. On March 18 2012 01:13 ghost_403 wrote:
Drazerk never had to claim. Clearly, he didn't think that he was a threat to the town, at least for the time being. Focusing on lynching him out of the game right now is counterproductive. Today, we need to be more concerned about electing a Wheatly and finding a good lynch, rather than focus on some neutered third party.
##elect velinath because he seems to understand this. On March 18 2012 01:30 ghost_403 wrote:
@JJ - I agree with you that Drazerk is a safe lynch, but I don't think it's optimal town play. Saying 16hrs into Day 1 that we should lynch a third party because it's safe discourages discussion about possible lynches. Because of that, even though you are right, I am going to say that I will not vote Drazerk today. Eventually, he will have to go, but as for right now we need to focus on scum.
As for your second point that a newb would be a safer Wheatly vote, I don't know how I feel about that. That just screams to the scum to push a newb on their team for the position, which makes then as dangerous, maybe even more dangerous, as a veteran. Right now, Velinath seems like a better option to me, but I reserve the right to change my vote is someone better comes to light. On March 18 2012 22:06 ghost_403 wrote:
I still don't think Drazerk is scum. By claiming his role, he's put a timer on himself. It's not a question of if we'll lynch him, it's a question of when. He's got until then to kill Gandalf and get out of the game. In addition, he's removed his ability to persuade the town on any votes. We're not going to listen to him. At best, he's third party.
Drazerk is a safe lynch. Let's leave him alone for the time being, and focus on finding scum.
I'm going to take a minute or two to read up and weigh in on a Dirk lynch. On March 18 2012 22:13 ghost_403 wrote:
I think we could do a lot worse than lynching Dirk. He's either a lazy/useless townie or scum. I'm running out the door at the moment, so I'll put some more thought into it when I get back. These posts are all consistent. Also, notice that he's saying Dirk is the better lynch, even after he knows that Drazerk is third-party. There's nothing wrong with this intrinsically, but what follows makes ghost_403 look pretty scummy to me. After the lynch looks like it's pretty set on Drazerk, and Draz begins his rampage through the thread, this is when ghost_403 decides to hop onto the wagon: On March 19 2012 01:38 ghost_403 wrote:
Sigh.
I try to lynch insane play, and it turns out he's a townie. (last game)
I try not to lynch insane play, and he admits to being scum.
Just can't win.
##vote: Drazerk And he turns around on his read on Dirk: On March 20 2012 05:59 ghost_403 wrote:A quick note for Nisani and Maverick: There was no good reason for me to post on why I though Dirk was scummy when I got back. When I returned to the thread, Draz had gone off the deepend, and needed to go IMO. When Draz was a neutral third party, I didn't see the point in offing him; he's just going to sit around and ignore us for the most part. Then, he tells us that he's starting to help the sleeper cell. That's when he changed from neutral to dangerous, and that's why I switched a vote. As far as my thoughts on Dirk: not impressed, but not ready to lynch him. A few of his posts have been aggressive and poorly thought out. For example, this one, where he says we should lynch anyone who was not immediately on board the Draz lynch. That's terrible play for a lot of reasons. Right now, I'm leaning stupid aggressive townie as opposed to scum, but I'm willing to change my positions if he does something really stupid. If he got vig'd, I'd say no big loss. ghost_403 was still ready to lynch someone else instead of Drazerk, even after he claimed third party, and never gave any indication that he thought that Dirk was a bad lynch, or that Drazerk was a better one until these posts. Interesting to note, is the timing of these posts. These come only after many people all decided to hop onto the Drazerk lynch, and others, notably active posters like JayJay and Gonzaw, said in the last few pages that they didn't like the Dirk lynch. More than anything, this looks like someone who was trying to push a view-point, but seeing that not many people supported it, and others actively thought the opposite, he decided to jump ship and flip-flop in order to hide in the crowd. There is no intermediate reasoning for either of his changes in reads, only a complete turnaround on both of them, that seems to come out of thin air. 3This tells me that ghost_403 is conscious of sticking out, and wants to remain hidden, which suggests that he is scum, and even further, likely third-party or sleeper cell. That's my reasoning for thinking that ghost_403 is scum, and was a good lynch for day 2. Like I said, I was busy, so I didn't have time to write this all up yesterday, and only had something like 15-20 minutes of free time this morning.
I like the fact that I've already addressed most of this post here, but apparently not well enough. Verbose mode engaged!
1) I don't trust Wheatley. What I am trying to say is even if Velinath is town (and I believe he is town, or at least town aligned), I still don't trust Wheatly. It doesn't make sense for the hosts to introduce the character Wheatly without having him act like Wheatly, which involves eventually screwing over the test subjects. Regardless of Velinath's alignment, I am going to be keeping a close eye on him to make sure that he is working in our best interests, and maybe even hold him accountable for the things seemingly outside his control which end up hurting us. I posted it in a way that presents it like it's my thought because it is. I'm basing this not off someone else's thoughts, but as my own. Can't prove it, but I'm sticking to that.
Also, you've confused "addressing" with "discussing". I never asked other people to start talking about this. These are merely my thoughts. I'm not trying to distract the thread here, I'm just making sure that other people know where I stand on the issue.
2) I did not flip flop on the Draz issue. At the time of the first post, Draz was acting as a neutral third party. As third party, Draz eventually has to go. I mention that here, which you actually quote in your post. As a neutral third party, Draz does have to eventually be lynched. However, it is far better play for the town to lynch him later in the game. Presenting him as a surefire lynch at the beginning of the day effectively kills all discussion for the rest of the day. It's far better to try to find and lynch scum, then lynch Draz later if/when that fails. For instance, if we spent the day discussing a possible lynch, and are then persuaded by a blue claim not to lynch that candidate. That is a much better time to lynch Draz.
As it happened, after I made those posts saying that a Draz lynch was suboptimal, I leave, and come back to Draz giving items to the scum team for whatever reason. At this point, to me, Draz switches from a neutral third party to someone dangerous to the town. At best, he's a liar, which is bad for the town. At worst, he just admitted to being aligned with the scum. At any rate, at this point I view him as being the best lynch candidate. He's got to go, and he's dangerous to us.
3) I don't know why people keep saying this to me. I'm not afraid to stand out, or stand alone. I expect you, and everyone else in the town, to hold me accountable to the things that I say, and point out where you think there are discrepancies. I suppose I could have been a bit more verbose in my earlier posts to show you greater consistency. I'll fix that.
If there's anything here that you feel I addressed poorly, point it out, and we can discuss it.
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Don't post in the game if you aren't playing, thanks.
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And now, sleepy time. My list of people who's filters I'm going to examine tomorrow strangely mirrors the people who switched their votes to Bluelightz with no good reason. How peculiar.
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Opinions on sending a lemon if we have one to grack, and agree on a target for him to day vig? A day vig shot seems pretty useful since most protections (well usually) are in the night. We could use his shot to clear out a lurker or something.
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kk. lets kill GLaDOS
##vote: GLaDOS
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On March 22 2012 13:02 Kenpachi wrote:
kk. lets kill GLaDOS
##vote: GLaDOS
no.
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On March 22 2012 08:16 Jayjay54 wrote:
also, nice we lynched the godfather. what I find interesting is that the scum team seems to be aperture themed.
So I guess the burned to death thing might refer to the incinerator at the end of portal 1.
THIS.
GLaDOS controls the shit in this game too so lets kill her (Majority can form over night)
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After rereading Bluelightz filter, it catches my attention how 'out of left field' his push to get wiggles elected into the role of wheatley is. Wiggles hadn't done anything up to this point but discuss setup and touch on the Drazerk dayvig, neither of which I find indicative of a town alignment.
When questioned on why he is pushing wiggles for the wheatley role, Bluelightz responds with:
On March 17 2012 10:24 Bluelightz wrote:@gonzaw Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 08:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Though I question why you'd choose to shoot less than an hour into day 1, we just got a bunch of information from that lynch. We now know there's three sleeper cell members, so that's a modconfirmed scum number we can work with.
So is that actually the reason you shot him Drazerk? I don't see why you'd think that about VE as compared to anyone else, and why you'd shoot him without posting. Would mafia ask this question? I think that Wiggles is town based on that he is posting like not being coordinated with other people.
WIFOM, and a really subpar reason. It feels like he picked a random post to try and justify his vote with.
Furthermore, Wiggles does not even acknowledge that Bluelightz is pushing him, not even questioning it once, as if not to draw any more attention to it.
On top of that, I find Wiggles case against ghost_403 to be paper-thin. I was also in favour of leaving Drazerk alive while he was being neutral and not a nuisance and I also 'flipped' and decided that he needed to die after he started aiding non-town aligned players. I see nothing wrong with ghost_403's actions on day 1.
Grackaroni, any chance you are willing to change your mind on that vig shot?
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I find the sudden influx of votes near the time bluelightz was hammered pretty friggin suspicious.
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Yep, doesn't look good.
I know my vote came in on the end of the wagon and the only excuses I have for that are finding several people hang-worthy and also placing my vote after I woke up, instead of before I went to bed.
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zelblade, you've been quieter this game then I remember you being in newbie mini mafia III. Now that I've actually read your case on Bluelightz, I see that I have repeated some things you've already touched on. I'm not going to lie, when I saw that big wall of text, I held my pgdown key -_-
How do you feel about Dirk now after he told you Bluelightz was not scum and an 'easy lynch'?
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And grack prefably dont shoot dirk if you have a lemon for now.
Also, I agree with adam in that wiggles is pretty damm suspicious right now, and that his posting doesnt indicate his alignment. I think bluelightz's push was pretty damm wierd, but considering his playstyle do you think he would have the balls to push his scumbuddy who hadnt said he wanted wheatly for an elected position? Personally, considering his irrational playstyle and all that its highly likely imo. Adam's post above mine brings in a few more points which I find add on to this.
Wiggles's case on ghost is pretty weak imo. I dont find anything really suspicious from ghost's behaviour.
One last thing that I find downright scummy is how he pretty much completely avoids the subject of bluelightz. His filter, whilst seemingly short at two pages, is actually pretty long considering that most of his posts are pretty long. Yet, in all of them, he manages to push several people, yet not once mentions anything regarding what he thinks of bluelightz.
I dont know about you guys, but if someone was leading the lynch ill at the very least post what I think of it if im in the thread and actively posting. I dont care that he was "busy", a one liner stating something like "I dont think bluelightz is scum, XXX is a much better targert imo, will elaborate later" or "Willing to vote bluelightz if no better targert, but feel he isnt optimal" doesnt take more than 30 seconds. Instead, what does he do with his time? He says he wants to lynch ghost, defends himself, and posts some oneliners regarding the palmar thing and rolerelated stuff. He than proceeds to go ahead and vote bluelightz after a grand total of 16 votes on him in the last few minutes of the day.
I need to take a closer look or two at wiggles filter later on, but im personally leaning for a wiggles lynch tomorrow.
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On March 22 2012 18:46 Adam4167 wrote:
zelblade, you've been quieter this game then I remember you being in newbie mini mafia III. Now that I've actually read your case on Bluelightz, I see that I have repeated some things you've already touched on. I'm not going to lie, when I saw that big wall of text, I held my pgdown key -_-
How do you feel about Dirk now after he told you Bluelightz was not scum and an 'easy lynch'?
I was starting to think that dirk's responses actually seemed pretty townie during the day. However, hes palmar, so the fact that hes wrong is already a cause for suspision. Considering that he was also wrong about foolishness (hes not scum at least), I dont think hes looking too good. Not to mention that his seeming lack of time and effort is pretty worrying. I may not have played with him before, but I have read quite a few recent games containing him, and I think his posting is pretty different honestly.
This + JJ's check puts me as "null" for now. Im not sure if its unmotivated townie or scum.
Also im quiter because I had a few exams these couple of days, + I was so wrong last game and yet managed to effectively proclaim all said terrible reads and played really badly generally =/, which is why I decided to tone down a little I guess, and perhaps consolidate my posts.
I dont find myself being particulary active in newbie mini mafia III though, and whilst my activity this game might be a little lesser, I dont really think its that big of a change.
And yea I repeated some things because I wanted to put all my thoughts together into one post for easier reading on my thoughts, but I guess it ended up too long instead -.-
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Oh and a side note: I wont be on a computer tomorrow since I need to stay overnight in school for some sort of one night camp, which means that I cant post much (still have my phone though so expect some one-liners). Will get back during the second part of the next day though.
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Morning guys
On March 22 2012 12:57 zelblade wrote:
Opinions on sending a lemon if we have one to grack, and agree on a target for him to day vig? A day vig shot seems pretty useful since most protections (well usually) are in the night. We could use his shot to clear out a lurker or something.
I think you should do it. Grack's been very open about his role, and if he's helping town that's a win for us. All we have to do is supply the lemons, as long as they're not poisonous.
One thing worth looking at as well will be the number of late voters on blue and how they voted on Draz as well, specifically the timing. May find something there.
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I dont have a lemon, if I had it would probably with him already. I agree that if anyone has a lemon they should give it to him now (since it takes a phase to develop and shit) and we could get a shot off. The only problem wiht this is grack could get shot tonight and we might exhaust our lemon supply, which might be used for other stuff..?
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