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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On March 18 2012 05:21 Zephirdd wrote:Also, I hate how gonzaw is only asking questions to everyone Ehm, you are free to ask me questions yourself. I'm just trying to gather information and get all people involved in the discussions. If you want all my reads (at least the ones I haven't stated so) then ask away. Also, I think it's been pretty apparent that asking questions is not the only thing I've done, so people try not to oversimplify things. Please respond to my previous post. If someone gives an item to someone else, does the 2nd person get notified of whom gave him the item? | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
On March 18 2012 04:28 Lanaia wrote: Not lynching drazerk, but I will not trust him. At another point, I'd be fine with it. In the past few pages (since I went to bed at least), I've not liked Velinath. The way he's reinforcing that he's town, not third party is definitely rubbing me the wrong way. I do agree with Foolishness in regards to his vote on dirk hardpec or whatever his name is. His only post is fluff. I don't even understand why he felt compelled to say it. The wording feels incredibly forced. "In sense, it makes no sense from a balance standpoint to create a third party in a game, and then make it possible for us to leave that third party alive, might as well be town then." I've been in a group similar to that in a different game, but we only had to live until Cthulhu arrived (however, we were all shot by then), so I'm sure it's not impossible. Why doesn't it make sense from a balance point, dirk hardpec? After he replies, I'll make my decision of whether or not I vote him. I'd like to hear from Cyber. He hasn't posted since his /in. The people I'd like to elect aren't even running. I guess this means I should be electing blazinghand because I'd changed my mind about velinath. To clarify: Drazerk is not currently of the same faction as VE was, right? I just need to make sure I understand this. Who would you like to lynch if not Drazerk? If you'd be fine with it at another point, why not now? What about Velinath is suspicious to you? Do you also believe that there are only third parties, no town? In that, you seem to share the opinion of Blazinghand, who you're also voting to elect. Is that why? You don't give any other reasoning, and yet you say your favored candidate isn't even in the running. Your town reads are Wiggles and Jay? In short, much of what you say is unclear. Please explain where your suspicions lie, and why there lie where they do. We have no way of knowing what Drazerk's faction is, but the reasoning is that if he were also a Sleeper Agent, he wouldn't shoot and risk hitting another Agent. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
##Vote Kita for the elected role I've yet to read the description of. | ||
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
On March 18 2012 04:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Also, I forgot I wanted to write in that post, but it might not be the best idea to lynch Drazerk anymore after his claim. Instead, some townie with KP should send in his night action as soon as the night post goes up to kill Drazerk, due to the way items work. I don't know if action resolution is set in stone, or based on who sent in the kill first, so we should try to be better safe than sorry, and not let scum get that item. Suicide lynching Draz isn't very good, because the third parties won't vote for him, cell members will try to avoid it, and mafia wouldn't put more than a couple people on him. That means we would end up lynching with *just* reaching majority, and chances are most of the people will be town and we'll lose members without taking out extra scum. So, not exactly worth the 2 for 1 trade. Thoughts? I don't believe his claim at all. Also, consider that if someone night-kills him, that player will end up with his alleged item, so it doesn't help the town to potentially pass it to mafia/another 3rd-party with KP. In fact, I think it would be in the town's best interest to detonate it sooner rather than later. Heaven forbid the game come down to LYLO with it still running around. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
For all those who wonder if the Balrog role ever appeared in another Mafia game, it was used in a TL IRC Mafia game hosted by igrok. You can find the transcript in the Mafia 2012 Awards Thread. Radfield was a Survivor Balrog with the following role description: 03:58:41<+IGROK> SURVIVOR BALROG YOU ARE SURVIVOR, GANDALF MUST BE DEAD, HAVING THE RING MAKES YOU BULLETPROOF concerning the Wheatley role: On March 18 2012 00:55 ghost_403 wrote: Just my thoughts on the Wheatly role: I'm not ever going to trust Wheatly. IIRC, Wheatly screws over Chell in Portal 2 by taking control of Aperture, despite his best intentions. I can see this going the same way. Wheatly begins the game by helping the town, then gets a new wincon where he has to kill us all or something. I would for this very reason propose that whoever gets Wheatley gets lynched or vigged on D2 or 3. This way we should be able to prevent Wheatley to do real damage to town. I'm gonna read through some filters again and post some more later. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Well I think I can now say that because of what item he gave me kenpachi is 100% town and killing glados is the best action the town can do today. | ||
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Paperscraps
United States639 Posts
4. Holder gives it/them away to a target (May not use an item the night it is given away or recieved). Question: Can items be given away during the day as well as night? | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On March 18 2012 07:31 Drazerk wrote: ##Vote: GLaDOS Well I think I can now say that because of what item he gave me kenpachi is 100% town and killing glados is the best action the town can do today. You are aware that killing GLaDOS might put Wheatley into her place? At least if we keep close to the game lore. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
I might vote GLaDOS if you tell me what the item was or if he explains what voting him does but it seems like some sort of 3rd party objective to me. | ||
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
On March 18 2012 07:31 Drazerk wrote: ##Vote: GLaDOS Well I think I can now say that because of what item he gave me kenpachi is 100% town and killing glados is the best action the town can do today. Man, your credibility is already shot. Give us something more than this to explain why this is a good idea. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On March 18 2012 07:41 Velinath wrote: Man, your credibility is already shot. Give us something more than this to explain why this is a good idea. It was the portal gun - He is chell | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
To begin with, I'd like to reiterate that I'm definitely the best Wheatley candidate. Tax jokes aside, it's important that the Wheatley have a few important traits: 1) Talks a lot 2) Town-Aligned, non-power role. 3) Utterly transparent about Wheatley powers/limitations 4) Bad at playing scum I can assure you I fulfill all these conditions. I've played scum once and we got brutally 3-0ed. I am notorious for posting a) a lot, and b) a fair number of long posts. I have nothing to lose, and it's important this role go to someone who's not already a power role like a DT or Doctor (or even worse, a non-town-aligned role), so it shoudl go to me. Elect blzinghand for Wheatley! I'm going to talk for a moment about this whole "Is MidnightGladius a Vanilla Townie" thing that's going on. Some people have raised the possibility that this is a game without vanilla townies, just blues, third parties, sleeper cell, mafia, whatever. It's possible that a host would choose this setup. If this is the case, then currently every town player is sitting here thinking "ok I'm blue I should vote MG because he can't be a VT"... But I'd recommend against it. And here's why: If you are a blue, sure it SEEMS like it might be all Blues, but you forget that there could legitimately be VTs out there who aren't you. These VTs would know not to auto-vote MG for his claim, since each VT individually knows there's at least one VT in the game. So this means that, thinking in a vacuum, Blues will vote for MG and VTs will not. Or, if it's all Blues, MG will get lynched by some kind of massive majority and scum will know more. In fact, if MG is third party, scum doesn't even know what kind of gambit is being run (or if it's just sleepers and 3rd parties). In this regard, we want to keep non-town players as in the dark as possible about the makeup of the town.I either know or don't know whether or not this town is pure blue or VTs and blues. I see no reason to make this information available to scum-- and currently any Blue should be afraid to vote MG anyways because of the fear of "outing" himself as a blue. Therefore, regarding MG, any case/vote against him or defense should be made solely on his actions and evidence outside of his VT claim. Discussing the validity of his VT-claim has the potential to be anti-town and give information to scum about either the composition of the town or who our blues are. I like this Drazerk wagon, and I consider it a good 2nd best option for the D1 lynch. If nothing else, we'll have gotten rid of a third party role, and I see no reason whatsoever to believe Drazerk's claim to be benevolent in any fashion. Although he's successfully shot a sleeper, his play has generally been erratic and aggressive. I think he's trying to avoid appearing too pro-town because he doesn't want to get shot. The idea that we'll be able to control him reasonably in the long run strikes me as utterly preposterous. That being said, I feel like we'll have plenty of opportunities to lynch or shoot him. I'm not getting onboard this wagon quite yet-- I want to see if we can do something about the fact that cyber_cheese is basically scum. Here are my major thoughts having caught up on people's filters: 1) I don't like Cyber_Cheese's play this game. 2) Kitaman, where are you? 3) I like ghost_403 for his posts here and here. So I was hoping someone else would catch this, but I don't like zelblade's post here: Taking a look at his filters from his previous games SNMMVII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=311554&user=240873¤tpage=All Numerous minor typos, no EBWOPS used. NMMIV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=314813&user=240873¤tpage=All Numerous minor typos, 2 EBWOPS used, but to add additional info to posts, never to correct errors with apostrophes and the like. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=314813&user=240873¤tpage=All In fact, changing "link" to "links" doesn't even alter the information presented in the post-- it's just a typo, the kind of which you regularly overlook. It adds no information to the post. Now wait a second, blzinghand, this all seems pretty inconsequential to me. Yeah, whatever, zelblade did an out-of-character EBWOP that looked pretty strange. But that's not scum behavior at all... like why would you even make a post like that, lol. noob. you sound like a bronze leaguer to me My god, why are you so BM? Stfu for a moment and listen to my explanation. Your question is legitimate, though, so I'll address it. We know there are other Sleeper agents in this game. It's possible that this unnecessary, out-of-character EBWOP was an attempt by zelblade to communicate his identity to the other cell agents. I was hoping someone else would notice this, but apparently nobody did, because nobody else is a paranoid motherfucker like I am. I'd like to hear your opinions though-- do I have a leg to stand on when I ##vote: Zelblade ? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
about this game's most odd task in which you seem only to speak with words lyric, metered, and unique. Is it by choice for which you post like poe or perhaps shakespeare's ghost? Or perhaps impressed upon you then by role unbound or item's ken? I ask because your speaking's damp'd, and i'd rather not a good player hampr'd | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
1)It will have at least 1 positive ability (if it doesn't then fuck me) 2)It may change the win condition of the townie that gets it after a while, without letting him know 3)It may change the win condition of the townie that gets it after a while, letting him know of it by the PM of the role I doubt (2) will happen, since I've never seen it happen and it would be to unbalanced and frankly it would be a dick move from the hosts. If (3) happens, then that player should: -Get lynched/vigged right before the "transformation" occurs -Use his positive ability from (1) before dying. That way, that player will die as a townie and won't have his win condition changed, but will still use his ability for the good of town. I'd volunteer for that, at least if I can get some scum down with me in the process >_> However, since I doubt (2) would happen, I don't think Wheatley just should be policy lynched out of nowhere if he tells the thread that he wasn't informed his win condition would change. Another thing is that this role could be gotten by scum. How will that role affect them if (2) or (3) happen? They will turn into townies or 3rd party? What about 3rd party? Will they turn into scum as well perhaps? That doesn't make sense, so I doubt a role where both scum, 3rd party and town could be elected into will revolve around changing alignments (also I've never seen that happen before, like EVER). I'd say we don't concern ourselves about it, unless the player that was elected Wheatley tells us otherwise from his role PM (situation #3). Also, take into account that Wheatley "turned good" at the end of the game... ...albeit he was already in space when that happen, but still counts. On March 18 2012 07:31 Drazerk wrote: ##Vote: GLaDOS Well I think I can now say that because of what item he gave me kenpachi is 100% town and killing glados is the best action the town can do today. Spill it out then. What makes him 100% confirmed town? Also, why do you even care about town anymore? You haven't answered any of our questions nor tried to lend your powers to us, so clearly you don't care. Do you even know you are about to get lynched? Do you know that if you are indeed 3rd party you will LOSE? Why don't you even acknowledge that, and more importantly STOP it altogether? You are giving me more and more reasons for thinking you are actually scum. I'd have to admit that killing GLaDOS doesn't seem bad from a lore point of view, but Kenpachi's actions don't seem to be in the best interest of town (if he's indeed town he just seems powerhungry and uninterested in the actual game), nor doesn't Drazerk's approval of it, and there's the possibility something fucked up happening like what phagga just said. Kenpachi, until you PROVE YOUR INNOCENCE to us we won't do shit. And the more you avoid this Kenpachi, the more I think you don't care about this game, and the more I'd like a vig to just shoot you. PRE-EDIT: Well, got late to the party before posting this, but might as well leave it. Whatever, Drazerk may be lying to get Kenpachi to claim, or may tell the truth to get scum to know his role. *sigh* Whatever, untill Kenpachi claims Chell and there is no cc, or until he establishes his innocence by contributing to town, I won't vote GLaDOS On March 18 2012 07:46 Blazinghand wrote: My god, why are you so BM? Stfu for a moment and listen to my explanation. Your question is legitimate, though, so I'll address it. We know there are other Sleeper agents in this game. It's possible that this unnecessary, out-of-character EBWOP was an attempt by zelblade to communicate his identity to the other cell agents? Radfield lynch again much? I won't let you nor anyone choose to follow this, just no.... Also you have to unvote C_C before voting zelblade. BH, why did you go to zelblade like this? And don't give me the "I'm just trying to pressure him" crap because you know this "pressure" of yours won't go anywhere because it only dwells around an EBWOP and a typo. Why would you choose to follow this kind of reasoning against zelblade, instead of trying to find scum using other methods by analysing their posts and motivations? Also I'm leaving in a couple minutes, maybe an hour, just in case. | ||
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
Same with your "Cyber_Cheese is scum" call. How do you get there based on a complete lack of posting especially this early? If he's lurking due to being scum, he'll have to post soon or risk modkill. If he's lurking due to something else - say, real life - well, I guess my big issue here is that this early especially, there's no way to really discern this. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On March 18 2012 07:58 gonzaw wrote: Radfield lynch again much? I won't let you nor anyone choose to follow this, just no.... That was... that was me talking to myself, jokingly. >.> On March 18 2012 07:58 gonzaw wrote: Also you have to unvote C_C before voting zelblade. BH, why did you go to zelblade like this? And don't give me the "I'm just trying to pressure him" crap because you know this "pressure" of yours won't go anywhere because it only dwells around an EBWOP and a typo. Why would you choose to follow this kind of reasoning against zelblade, instead of trying to find scum using other methods by analysing their posts and motivations? Also I'm leaving in a couple minutes, maybe an hour, just in case. IMO, zelblade is currently the scummiest non-lurking player in this game due to that post. I'm not trying to pressure him, rofl, I'm trying to get him buried because he's a sleeper agent. On March 18 2012 08:00 Velinath wrote: Honestly, BH, that seems like a stretch. I would certainly not consider lynching this early based on that. Same with your "Cyber_Cheese is scum" call. How do you get there based on a complete lack of posting especially this early? If he's lurking due to being scum, he'll have to post soon or risk modkill. If he's lurking due to something else - say, real life - well, I guess my big issue here is that this early especially, there's no way to really discern this. Well if he's not gonna defend himself we might as well lynch him. He hasn't been helpful and he seems very suspicious. I really really don't like that post. I also don't like that nobody else noticed it. | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
a) he claims to have 3 items. Assuming the anger thing is fake, he still has two important items, which means, there's a good chance that we can get to town by lynching (assuming town votes here). I believe a DT item is pretty cool on a more trusted player. b) he claims to have a portal gun, which makes him unshotable. I assume it's a busdriver thing. I actually think, we make a mistake, if we leave him alive. He lied about his wincon and is still lying. I believe he's third looking at the general reactions, but I think he is not at all town favouring. ________________________________________________________ blaze, I like your reasoning with the VT-thing. That makes perfect sense. I made a couple of comments on how you shouldn't react with "there are no VTs" and you took that concept and applied it to votes. I think it makes sense. I will consider voting you, although I don't believe you're a bad scum player. Everybody says that during an election campaign. why is C-C "basically scum" if he hasn't posted at all? I mean he's prolly drunk somewhere green beer style. I don't want to give him a green card (get it?) here, but to call scum rightaway seems harsh. However, the zelblade thing is a little bit of overreacting IMO. link => links is actually a valid edit. which changes the content... | ||
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