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On February 24 2012 15:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 15:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
The lynch list serves to let town know who I'm willing to lynch. I changed my mind on RoL, but my vote was ultimately on BC. Where are you going with this? Seems scummy to me. Absolutely useless fluff, makes you look kinda pro-town while you run around asking questions and poking/prodding people without ever making serious commitments and cases. You format some of your trash pretty nicely though, maybe later you'll do that with some real content or a case ?
Maybe. Wait and see. You're wasting your time arguing with me about it.
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On February 24 2012 15:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 15:17 prplhz wrote:
Hey DoctorHelvetica
Do you want to say something?
You're like constantly on my back.
Yesterday you promised an analysis on me and said I should be lynched today.
Instead you made analysis on 4 other players.
You're still on my back all the time for "slippy" shit that really looks like you're grasping stuff out of the thin air.
Do you want to say something?
wherebugsgo just said that there are only 4 scum which is totally true, no matter the factors making a BloodyC0bbler mislynch easier (the case on BloodyC0bbler should look alright for people who don't have meta with BloodyC0bbler, the hidden flip). Blazinghand and risk.nuke as scum, maybe you but you're putting a ton of effort in this game, looks plausible and that would be 2 scum and that's a huge deal, I kinda realize that now.
I have played like 50 games with VisceraEyes and he's always one of the players I take notice of because we joined this sub forum at the same time. Last time he was scum in Hammer Mini Mafia I took notice of it, same with XLVIII. He has a somewhat bad habit of claiming scum when he's scum and I didn't see that yet. He's talking to everybody and being hugely transparent and active and that's not only objectively townie, it's also his town meta. I looked through your filter and didn't find it as suspicious as I had expected based on a couple of your posts that tipped me off later in the day. I'm hardly constantly on your back, I've been pressuring you for all of what two or three posts now? Defensive and paranoid much? Scum shit right there. I have no idea what you're saying in this paragraph. I want to understand it but I don't. Where are you getting the idea that exactly 2 scum must have voted for BC? Is that even what you're saying? It's probable that scum spread their votes out to some degree but I don't know exactly how they did it or even why and there wasn't even a flip on the first day. If you can explain clearly your point about the Day 1 votes and what information you seem to think it gives you then I'd like that. It's difficult when I can't even comprehend what you are writing.
Now you're on my back again. I'm not defensive and paranoid, you're on my back but you refuse to call me scum. You just say, in a subtle way, that everything I do is scummy and that's not cool. You felt the same way about how wherebugsgo said you were scum no matter what you said earlier today. You're trying hard to read shit into my posts that just isn't there and that's kind of annoying and you of all people should understand that.
I don't know that 2 scum must have voted for BloodyC0bbler but I think that the lynch was pretty good at the time, and I don't really think he's scum anymore. This, along with the hidden flip, leads me to believe that scum had a relatively easy opportunity to lynch BloodyC0bbler. Two scum doesn't seem far fetched, I'm almost certain of one scum and the one I'm most sure about on BloodyC0bbler's wagon is Blazinghand who had that weird post I already pointed out.
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I made a lot of big reads earlier and I don't want those to get too swallowed up. I'll go back to those but do you think it's anti-town to pressure somebody when they set you off? Especially when you're available in the thread right now to respond to me it's the perfect time to pick you apart and read your responses, then I can go back to your filter and think about it. It's not like I've been refusing to call out scum at all, I'm doing this to VE right now. I'm definitely not afraid of you if that's what you think.
Anyway, I misunderstood your posting. The way you type makes it very difficult for me to understand your actual point. Another reason I'm just pressuring you now because I'm not even like 50% sure what you're saying in all of your posts anyway.
I thought you were saying this:
BC is scum because if he were town he would have been lynched.
When you appear to now be saying:
I think BC is town so there are definitely scum who would have voted for him and 2 seems reasonable.
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On February 24 2012 15:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 15:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
You know, you come off as a hell of a lot more arrogant than I do. Why did you even include that in your post? If you think I'm not making any sense say so, but I'm in agreement with you on a lot of things, so whatever sir. If you want to vote for me, do it. I'm voting for who I think is scum. You're posting a shitton and aren't reading closely enough to know what I've said about BH when I said it many times and you wrote me off and just asked this dumb question instead of making a real response right away I never told you who or what to vote for so I don't even know what this post is trying to do it's just whiny
You're just being a jerk to everyone you encounter. I'm done responding to you Doc. Good luck with your VE wagon. I'm sure it's going to bring you lots of success in this game.
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Well, I'm glad we sorted that out.
I always thought I was alright at expressing myself but everybody keeps calling me convoluted in this game so I was probably dead wrong about that.
It can be hard to make yourself easily understood in a foreign language, please bear with me.
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On February 24 2012 15:43 prplhz wrote:
Well, I'm glad we sorted that out.
I always thought I was alright at expressing myself but everybody keeps calling me convoluted in this game so I was probably dead wrong about that.
It can be hard to make yourself easily understood in a foreign language, please bear with me.
Yeah. Try separating your posts a little more or restating your main point. Sometimes it gets lost in the larger context of what you're saying. It's just difficult to follow your train of thought.
On February 24 2012 15:42 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 15:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 24 2012 15:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
You know, you come off as a hell of a lot more arrogant than I do. Why did you even include that in your post? If you think I'm not making any sense say so, but I'm in agreement with you on a lot of things, so whatever sir. If you want to vote for me, do it. I'm voting for who I think is scum. You're posting a shitton and aren't reading closely enough to know what I've said about BH when I said it many times and you wrote me off and just asked this dumb question instead of making a real response right away I never told you who or what to vote for so I don't even know what this post is trying to do it's just whiny You're just being a jerk to everyone you encounter. I'm done responding to you Doc. Good luck with your VE wagon. I'm sure it's going to bring you lots of success in this game.
I really don't know why you are so upset. Surely you've dealt with worse? Am I the only player to say something you've said was dumb, or called your posts useless, or whatever? You asked me a question I've already answered. I'm not interested in repeating myself as much as I am in pressuring you which you're just dodging. I'm really not trying to antagonize or flame you, but I just don't see why town VE would be this absent minded not to know my opinions on the person he's pushing when I've stated them multiple times and has been so far very interested in what I have to say. You could have just taken the hint and went through my filter to find it but you insist on complaining about my attitude and dodging pressure instead. This is bullshit play if you're town and does nothing to ease my suspicions that you are scum.
If I see bad play or dumb posts I won't hesitate to call it what it is. If you can't handle the heat etc.
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I'm going to bed. If anyone wants to listen to DocH's drivel about me being scum, feel free to pose any questions to me. I'll answer them eventually.
DocH, I will say - there's a reason you were on the "danger to town" list in BCAC. It's for stupid nonsense like this - like, I came to the same conclusion as you without posting a huge wall of text. OBVIOUSLY that means I'm scum. You don't like the way I scumhunt? That's cool. Doesn't mean I'm scum. You don't like my lynch-list? Think it's useless because you don't see a purpose? Neat. Doesn't mean I'm scum.
The good part of all this is I'm sure you're town. So congrats on assholing your way to establishing your innocence.
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i wasn't on that list
i was on the danger to mafia list. i just read it this morning. radfield was concerned enough about me that he had one of you guys work just to throw me off and i absorbed three hits.
the danger to town list was jackal, bill murray, kenpachi, and others i dont remember.
your conclusion is that BH is scum right? that's not the same conclusion as me.
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And for the record, I really respect most other aspects of your play - you're talented at getting your point across. It's a talent I wish I shared.
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There is absolutely no purpose to a lynch list and it's scummy because it's faking pro-town behavior and making fluffy non-contributory posts that let you avoid doing anything to help the town until you feel safe enough to make a bad case which is thrown together poorly and then followed through with zero confidence and a highly defensive attitude.
Obviously it's scummy because of my interpretation of it. I'm not objectively correct so why even bother to make the point? Why don't you counter my argument? You're throwing vague doubt on this situation and furthermore trying to discredit me with a lie about AC lol
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Hey guys, sorry about inactivity today I just got home. I will be on tomorrow around 6pm EST from work and will post my case then.
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WBG seems fine to me so far.
RoL on the other hand has done no scum hunting at all and basically voted for redff because he claimed tracker. Dr.H's case here makes a lot of sense. He also seemed fine with BC lynch which is ok, but he didn't add any reasons of his own other than just stating "I'd rather get him out of my head". What? I'm also not letting him get away with inactivity day after day as happened in Purgatory. That case better be amazing RoL and I don't want opinions just on one player
##vote Rebirthoflegend
risk.nuke any thoughts on anyone at all? You still aren't playing the game despite getting called out. The few posts you have have basically no content. I've only very vague and weak reasons for believing that you might be town, but if you don't start posting content soon, that will change.
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@kita:
who would you lynch today and why?
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actually same question to chaoser, since you said this:
On February 23 2012 10:51 chaoser wrote:
sorry, i've been out all day, still at the er but will be back at 9:30 to be able to read. i thought about it and redff is still the best lynch for today unless we're 100% seeing more scummy activity from someone else. if we don't lynch him today, his status will again be at the forefront of town discussion, stifling a lot of our scum hunting abilities since the red dilemma will still be present. i am suspicious of blazing and bc though and i hope to study their case more. in any case, i'm keeping my vote on red today
I believe it's well past 9:30 (whatever U.S. timezone you're in, I forgot) but still nothing.
What gives?
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Layabout if blazinghand and RoL were the lynch options today, who would be your pick and why? The one who claims blue and seems towny I take it?
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On February 24 2012 05:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Dirkzor [1]Unlike BH? Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 06:01 Dirkzor wrote:
@Chaoser now you're just argueing semantics...
I called what Kita did double sided. I called what you did flip floppy. Basicly the same thing.
And how can you compare my posts that was done 5-15 in into the game with someone made 12 hours later?
You say that I don't take side. That is correct because I found both sides stupid and none of them particularly more scummy then then other. You called what chaoser did lying. Read the post before this one in Dirkzor's filter: Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 05:56 Dirkzor wrote:I want to continue on Toad's case on Chaoser. Because Chaoser is lying! Read the whole case and chaoser defence here. Below is the end of that post. On February 22 2012 04:48 chaoser wrote:Yeah I agree with you and kita that redFF looked weird but that swap was so out of the blue. One moment he's supporting red and his policy lynch and the next moment it's on redFF? Once again, not a random swap, once I acknowledged that I misread VE and DrH's posts, I realized VE is 100% correct in not only calling out redFF but also saw that redFF was misrepresenting facts (one of the reasons why I misread/switched VE and DrH's post) Add in his bullshit defense and the vote was justified. So it was AFTER you realized you had misread that you changed your vote? Not quite. + Show Spoiler +On February 21 2012 08:56 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 08:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 21 2012 08:29 chaoser wrote:On February 21 2012 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 21 2012 08:19 redFF wrote:
PEOPLE
PEOPLE
PEOPLE
The game has been going on for an hour, my suggestion of a policy lynch does not mean I don't want anyone to scumhunt. It's an excellent way to generate discussion, which it has.
VE's post is hypocritical because he's calling me scum for pushing a policy lynch when he himself was pushing a policy lynch up until that post, when it arbitrarily became a scum lynch. Consider him my first moderately scummy read. You're better than this. He never ever said your PL position was bad, but that you are spammy. Please read posts before you start OMGUSing. Considering you have time to spam you should have time to read. And you need to read better. red is saying VE's vote on him was him pushing for a policy lynch while at the same time he is criticizing him for pushing a policy lynch on tyrran. Re: Spammy RedFF
Never fails to live up to expectations. Red you really don't have to comment on every little thing with a 1-liner response. My PL on you stands until I get a scum-read on someone. That is a big problem. Care to respond VE? No, it's not a problem. I disagree with the policy lynch in general but I really don't see how VE is contradicting himself at all. Supporting a policy lynch does not mean you can't be critical of RedFF posting a lot of one liners and talking about it/defending it so vehemently. He isn't accusing of redFF for being scum for supporting a PL anyway, or even for "pushing" it. He never said those words. It's an invented case. I'm voting for red. VE said he was voting for red as a policy lynch. He then criticizes red, not for his one liners, but by saying: Show nested quote +Putting votes on inactive townies/policy lynches generates almost no real pressure on a player over whether or not they are scum but only creates arguments over whether or not a policy lynch is justified. That is a direct criticism of red's policy lynch push on tyrran. Show nested quote +He isn't accusing of redFF for being scum for supporting a PL anyway, or even for "pushing" it. He never said those words. It's an invented case. I never said that he accused redFF of being scum for supporting a PL, I'm only saying that he's criticizing redFF of doing something that he himself did as well (Putting votes on a policy lynch). That point is factual. At the same time, I understand the nuanced subtle difference between the two given VE's immediate switch from policy lynch to scum-read. That's just good pressure play. Either way, I want to clarify what actually happened so as to not misrepresent the situation. Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 08:40 redFF wrote:
Nothing I've done is scummy and this is not going to get off the ground so enjoy your lonely wagon ve and drh. lol, this is scummy as fuck. ##vote: redFF In that post you are still arguing with VE/DrH about whether or not VE was being a hypocrite or not. Also in that post you vote for RedFF. Next post: On February 21 2012 09:05 chaoser wrote:
Also, your unvote of tyrran was pretty bad redFF and seemed extremely defensive. His post wasn't a good enough post to un-pressure vote. I would never get off him from my vote because his post was NOT good. You seems to have changed your mind about RedFF here. Next: On February 21 2012 09:08 chaoser wrote:On February 21 2012 09:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why are you lumping up DocH's posts with mine? I didn't criticize red for his vote on Tyrran at all. Come on chaoser... Oh lol, my bad. I went back to check and indeed you did not say that. My fault. sorry lol This is were you realize something is wrong and you quoted the wrong dude. Some few post later: On February 21 2012 10:33 chaoser wrote:On February 21 2012 09:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ho boy, the thread died fast. That worries me a little, but that could just be paranoia.
chaoser - so by your correction and apology, should I assume that you're no longer agreeing with red's assessment that I'm being a hypocrite?
kitaman27 - what are your thoughts on chaoser?
Jackal, BC, syllo, WBG, you guys care to weigh in on this? I mean, it's early but I'd have expected to hear what an idiot I am at least twice between those 4 players.
yes. i take it back, i misread. I dunno why WBG is buddying me though. I think I'm playing decently well though, but I think you're doing better (aka I think you're townine ATM). Now that the mixup have been cleared VE is suddenly a player doing good. While I admit that its not a huge issue I don't understand why you would lie about it? Why not just "I thought VE was being a hypocrite but then RedFF's posting turned to shit so I voted him. Later i realized I was wrong and VE was right." [2]You didn't call him flip flopping. You used a strong word, lying, then backed off later. I don't see what is scummy about Chaoser misreading something and then making a posting mistake because of it. That seems more town to me than anything unless he is doing some incredibly complicated roleplay where he pretends to be unaware of what's going on and play badly. I've known Chaoser to be inactive and absentminded as town before so I'm not really shocked or upset by this, I don't think anyone really should be. [3]Dirkzor spent the remainder of his filter tunneling BH, who is probably the easiest lynch I've ever seen. He's acting like a really bad village idiot or some kind of serial killer who is just trolling to draw people out. He is definitely worth a DT or a Vig. Dirk can tunnel BH as hard as he wants and whatever BH flips doesn't matter. If he flips town everyone will agree that BH was playing really bad and would have gotten lynched or shot anyway. If he flips scum then Dirk gets some town cred. If he flips third party of some sort then Dirk gets a little bit of town cred. He can say "I was close, at least we got the SK out of the way now, it could have been worse it could have been town". [4]Dirkzor plays very wishy washy and conservative until Kitaman27 calls him out for it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303505&user=193595The posts in this filter in which he is a town blue come across as far more natural, reactive, and there is clear progress in his thoughts. He doesn't ignore anybody and is pretty talkative. His posts in the Storm Mafia filter come across to me as more jilted and planned? I'm surprised he didn't call BH out on his behavior a bit before, he seems like the kind of player to try and foster a good pro-town atmosphere which he hasn't done in this game at all. Read Kitaman27's post on him for more analysis of his early game behavior: Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 12:23 kitaman27 wrote:Dang it, I'm a sucker for blue claims. Funny to see the votes pile up on red after the claim, rather than before. On one hand, a mafia player who is set to die should always be claiming blue, but on the other, his claim ties up a potential roleblocker. Tracker is a tricky claim because even confirming it doesn't necessarily mean he isn't a mafia stalker or something. I'll be keeping my vote on him for the moment. Now to everyone else: I've enjoyed comedy hour with Jackal, but his filter is completely void of content. Not a single post showing he isn't just along for the ride. Toad appears to be going through post-Arkham depression or something. A lot of fluff and he isn't very willing to share his reads. On February 22 2012 11:14 prplhz wrote:
Okay I don't think that redFF is scum because he's been pretty out there. The scummiest he has done in my opinion is his claim which was oddly timed. Right now he's a terribly easy lynch, because we'll have to lynch him at some point. I'd like to see wherebugsgo explain how everything redFF has done can be explained by scum motivation and can not be explained by town motivation. The worst thing about this whole redFF thing is that the lynch is so easy that everybody can just pile onto him and then the day is kinda ruined, we aren't going to find anybody else. I don't think that redFF is scum because he's just been putting himself too much in the line of fire. On February 22 2012 11:14 prplhz wrote:
I'll vote redFF to avoid no lynch. I kinda assume that this is an extended majority lynch where we can end up in a no lynch sitaution, but the OP doesn't really say anything about that. But like, redFF probably isn't scum, come on. There's also plenty good in having him around since scum can't role block anybody else no matter redFF's alignment. The lynch today comes down to "We very likely have to lynch redFF at some point, should it be today or do we have something better?". Right now, I think it's too early to say. These two statements by prpl completely contradict each other. You argue how you don't think red is scum, but you're willing to vote him to avoid no lynch? How does that make sense? If you're going to argue that he really is blue, then of course a no lynch would be more beneficial. How about push a different lynch if red isn't your priority? This is really poor from him. I know I already picked on Dirkzor for his language, but I'm going to do it again. On February 21 2012 07:03 Dirkzor wrote:
The positive part is that I already have something to critisize... Good job on starting discussion.
"Hey guys. Look at me and my protown attitude!" On February 22 2012 02:39 Dirkzor wrote:
I'll give my honest opinion so far... Only scum say this. On February 22 2012 05:03 Dirkzor wrote:
Wat? I'm glad you have that big confidence in my ability as town but I can't magicly make me notice scum... I notice what I notice when I notice it. And when I do I post it. So far this game I got jack. Lack of aggression and confidence. These are fair points. I wish Kitaman was more active but I don't remember him having a strong presence in the last game where he was town. I agree with the things he is saying here, this is the sort of thing I'm used to seeing from RoL.
[1]Yes RoL was an easy lynch yesterday compared to BH. BH was active and posting but still incredibly useless. There was actually post to read from BH where the only thing we had on RoL was the lack of posting, which imo is not much day1. Since RoL still havent posted (only 1 post saying he will post later the case on him is now stronger).
[2]I did call Chaoser a liar. But I didn't "back down" My post after that was a response to chaoser post one me (clicky). So it was not a continuation of my case but a response to a post made before my case. I wanted to see his reaction to me calling him a liar. He did respond calmly and said it was a mistake. Nothing bad there. I havent pushed him since and I don't intend to.
[3]You agree that my case on BH have some merits but at the same call me scum for making said case. Wat? BH have played very poorly so far. His actions on day2 have only proved me right (will go into that in another post). This doesn't really make sense for me. I actually think my case on BH was really good. It was original, clear and with substance. Whether he flips town/scum/3rd party doesn't really matter since my case was good = good town play.
[4]I've already covered this. I had no read and no clue in the beginning. Thus my meek and poor posting. But I think I've changed it around with my posting before lynch time.
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On February 24 2012 10:07 Blazinghand wrote:I don't like risk.nuke. He did nothing but make some vague complaints about redFF, then nakedly voted BC with no explanation, and when questioned, was like: Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:46 risk.nuke wrote:On February 23 2012 06:42 Dirkzor wrote:
15 min to lynch.
Risk you are around?!? Any thought instead of just voting BC?! Yeah I don't want to lynch redFF, just got home. So I threw my vote on BC because I like syllo. And has since disappeared from the thread. He's probably hanging out with his scumteam being like "hey guys check out this mad lurking skill" and lurking. ##vote: risk.nuke
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You're all still dumb for killing redFF, you don't kill a person who claims tracker. If he were town scum would either have to kill him and we wouldn't need to waste a lynch or let him live in the hopes that we will kill him out of suspicion but also leaves the risk of him finding scum. If he were scum we would had lynched him soon out of suspicion anyway.
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I still think that BH is playing scummy. But he is playing so scummy that he appear as if he wants to gets lynched.
BH have still not have an original thought of his own. Mimicking others case on BC and vote him. Then de-vote him instantly when BC makes 1 post to defend himself. He votes for Risk.nuke which WBG pointed out is useless and other then that he have posted a lot but he haven't really done anything worthwhile.
I just know that BH can play way way better then this but he apparently chooses not to. He may very well be the role where you win if you get lynched (is that village idiot?). Not sure if a lynch on him would ake us take advantage of our lynch or just waste it.
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On February 24 2012 13:02 prplhz wrote:
You are kind kitaman27. Probably even too kind, I made plenty of bad reads/decisions in Responsibility Mafia! and I ended up claiming scum in XLVII after being figured out by wherebugsgo, syllogism, Palmar, possibly sandroba? and probably a bunch of other people I don't really remember.
I pushed BloodyC0bbler around the time I said that so it's not true when you say that I didn't provide an alternative. I just wanted to guys to know early on that I was most likely going to switch my vote to redFF if the alternative was a no-lynch so it wouldn't cause any unnecessary panic in case I would end up doing it.
Not getting lynched is first priority for me when the townie who was making the most sense until then suddenly suggests me for lynch, especially when I was painfully aware of how bad I looked. I also thought people would be more willing to change away from redFF than they ended up being.
I was hoping I'd get ignored (yea, you're probably going to jump on that word) until I had some more confidence in my reads. I did chime in to support syllogism who I found pretty town, who has good day1 reads and probably is one of the better players in this game, stacked as it is.
On February 24 2012 14:54 prplhz wrote:
Because I'm bad. I remember you pointed this exact same thing out in Responsibility Mafia! too. While the meta is available to everybody, not everybody has it readily available to them in their memory. You don't seriously expect everybody to go read everybody else's old games when they join a game? Only a few people do that. My point is that it's a pretty valid excuse "BloodyC0bbler looks scum, and I didn't have the meta that would allow me to see that he often just looks scum as town". I'm surprised not any more scum switched to him.
While you're right that the BloodyC0bbler train picked up more steam, I don't think syllogism is scum, I think DoctorHelvetica is actually putting a ton of effort into this game, I'm not very scum, VisceraEyes looks pretty town to me. That leaves risk.nuke and Blazinghand to get the votes to 6 which BloodyC0bbler had at his wagon's highest point, also making these two scum. I've already said they both look bad and I'd be up for lynching either of them today.
Why are you downplayer your abilities prplhz? Seems scummy to me. Combined with "I was hoping I'd get ignored (yea, you're probably going to jump on that word) until I had some more confidence in my reads" (yes i'm jumping it) it sound like you just want to lurk and it was a pain for you to get called out on it.
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On February 24 2012 18:53 syllogism wrote:
Layabout if blazinghand and RoL were the lynch options today, who would be your pick and why? The one who claims blue and seems towny I take it?
Loaded question much?
I would pick the scummy looking player that is being actively anti-town over the player that has an insubstantial case on them.
I think your push against BC yesterday was built upon weak reasoning and that lynching him would have been awful. In contrast redFF had been scummy and anti-town. After getting 4-5 votes he claimed without good reason and left. There was direct and indirect resistance to his lynch and none of that swayed my opinion. For instance some players suggested that we do not lynch him simply because he had stopped posting or had claimed blue. Scum should not be able to avoid the lynch by doing that.
As far as BH vs RoL goes, My natural bias says to lynch BH. My assessment of who is scummier says to lynch BH.
I am concerned that RoL is essentially being pushed for inactivity and i think that that alone is not enough to justfy a lynch.
My concern with lynching BH is that around the lynch he was trying to push a stupid last minute voteswitch based upon other people's votes and opinions, and not his own. He did this very thing is purgatory when he was town, however this time he seemed far less sure of himself. He switched between redFF and BC several times near to the deadline and that seems to be a very town-like (but awful) play.
On the other hand BH has been repeating the opinions of others in an attempt to appear to contribute. He has been one of the players posting lot of ugly spam.
This Post looks like a scumslip to me:
On February 23 2012 06:58 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:58 Jackal58 wrote:On February 23 2012 06:57 Blazinghand wrote:
Well good news for you WBG is that redFF is dead. Happy little scum bucket aren't you. AS a town player your goal is to not get mislynched, if you do it's your own fault.
As it implies that BH thinks/knows that redFF is town. Meaning he is town and voted for a player he thought was town that had claimed tracker. OR he is scum and just pushed a mis-lynch on a player that he knew was not scum and that had claimed tracker.
I will repeat that he has simply echoed the points of others and has avoided making his own contribution. His "parrot" case on BC and insta-unvote, is scummy to me. This is because i would expect a town player to stick to his convictions ( at least a little). In purgatory town BH tunnelled RoL relentlessly despite having reasons that were somewhere between contentious and false. He recently said we should still lynch BC or risk, which makes his immediate unvote harder to explain. Why would he unvote a player at a time nobody would expect him to, and then still say that we should lynch them?
BH's interaction with risk nuke:
On February 23 2012 02:21 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 02:20 risk.nuke wrote:On February 23 2012 02:11 Blazinghand wrote:On February 23 2012 01:56 Jitsu wrote:
I think Tyrran doesn't know what he's doing.
As for you - one part troll, one part unenthusiastic, add a dash of the possibility of scum, shake and serve on ice.
I'm voting Dirkzor.
##vote Dirkzor Why? His lack of a case on Chaoser? I don't feel Jitsus case arguments for wanting ro kill Dirkzor is heartfelt. I'd be okey to lynch Jitsu today. I guess I should ask Jitsu what he asked Chaoser: Where's your case at bro
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On February 24 2012 10:07 Blazinghand wrote:I don't like risk.nuke. He did nothing but make some vague complaints about redFF, then nakedly voted BC with no explanation, and when questioned, was like: Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:46 risk.nuke wrote:On February 23 2012 06:42 Dirkzor wrote:
15 min to lynch.
Risk you are around?!? Any thought instead of just voting BC?! Yeah I don't want to lynch redFF, just got home. So I threw my vote on BC because I like syllo. And has since disappeared from the thread. He's probably hanging out with his scumteam being like "hey guys check out this mad lurking skill" and lurking. ##vote: risk.nuke
This vote is awful. It also comes a whole page after BC called risk nuke scum for quotes showing "anti town sentiment". Considering that BH's only case had been on BC, this vote makes his behaviour even more suspect. It make me wonder whether or not BH ever believed in "his" case. Clearly he was unwilling to stand by it, but to then call risk scum out of the blue just after his previous lynch target #1 did... well wtf?
And while we are on the topic of inactivity. risk is frequently this active (or lurks like this) at the start of the game. risk has only ever rolled town. Voting him for lurking day1 is essentially voting him for fitting his town meta.
On February 24 2012 13:57 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 13:56 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 13:53 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 24 2012 13:50 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 13:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
running theme = anyone who calls me scum when I'm town I call atrocious town (even if they don't really deserve it all the time like prpl LOL)
You realize how counter-productive that is right? I mean, OMGUS is one of the leading causes of mislynches. Ask any scientist. calling them bad usually doesn't equate to calling them scum. it's a great way to poke people into reacting certain ways.I remember I did it to prpl in PYP:I on day 1 and I basically caught him as scum instantly. But the lucky bastard claimed something in PMs that left him alive till the last day. I did the exact same thing to chaoser that same game and then harassed him in PMs for a good 4-5 hours. His reaction was almost identical, oddly enough. I get the tactic, but it's annoying as piss and makes people trying to rationally find scum wade through this shit and wonder if you're being manipulative scum or just an asshole townie. And you've been defending BC. Like WHY THE FUCK bugs? And what about syllo's play is reading scum to you? These are the things I'm having difficulty reconciling. We should just lynch risk and/or BC. Or risk.
And yet, he is saying that we should lynch risk or BC.
What does BH think? Why on earth does he think that?
I think the answer is that he thinks both players are town. Because they are not on his team. Because he is scum.
+ Show Spoiler +maybe VE is worse... vote coming soon
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